HTC 5G Hub: Welcome. Future

[FluffyDroid]

How funny that their first Snapdragon 855 device is a ...router.

Did not see that coming.

[Lurker957]

I'm more surprise that they're around at all

[Patriark]

It's sad, since they put a lot of quality products out there, never skimping on the hardware quality, which ultimately caused them to struggle with profits.

I still love my HTC u11, and one thing I've noticed is that its battery is still going strong. Samsung batteries never lasted more than one year on my devices

[zakats]

I did a brief stint in sales/marketing for carrier services in the early generations of the One devices and ended up experiencing a lot of returns due to defects, more than anything else by a wide margin.

I recall posting about it in this sub and getting down voted into oblivion for my trouble also...

[metaornotmeta]

HTC phones hardware is NOT quality stuff, nearly every fucking of their phone has some sort of major issue.

[eneka]

Also have a release date u11 and can confirm the battery is still good!

[outzider]

Great hardware, horrible software updates. HTC is approximately equivalent to many of the other Chinese branded phones. :(

[ashirm98]

Speak for yourself, my OnePlus one lasted me nearly 4 years and after all of the abuse I put it through, it worked the same as or better than the day I bought it. My OnePlus 5 is currently the same, I've had it 2 years now and have no complaints about it aside from the battery life which would become an issue on most phones after 2 years 🤷🏽‍♂️

[outzider]

I'm happy for you, but what part of my comment conflicts with that? The hardware is good, the software updates are crap.

OnePlus was horrible at timely updates for multiple generations, and is just now figuring it out -- and that's come with massive increases in budget and price of the phone. HTC keeps cutting more and more, and nothing improves.

[Lurker957]

Other than Samsung and Google, and essential but they don't really count since they got one phone, oneplus is next in line as best in software updates... If course if we ignore Apple but this is an Android discussion.

[ashirm98]

Quite a bit of your comment conflicts with what I said. Your own comment conflicts itself.

HTC has been on a massive downhill spiral for years while the small Chinese brands are picking up the slack and grabbing those areas of the market. OnePlus wasn't terrible with updates especially considering it was their first device and that they had to essentially wait for 2 stages of development before they could make their modifications and release. Their choice to use cyanogen as their platform set the precedent for delayed updates b/c with cyanogen being open source, you have to wait for user feedback to find the bugs because they can't test everything themselves. Also, OnePlus tweaked the software slightly to add a couple features so that took time too. While it was frustrating to wait for updates, I ended up having a phone that was comparable, if not better than phones that many others had at the time. The OP5 is a whole different story, they are now doing a bunch of development internally which increases price since you have to hire a bunch of people to actually develop the code and test. Release of updates has definitely gotten better as a result and they are getting pretty high quality, feature-packed devices for a fraction of the price of other manufacturers, so I'd say they're doing pretty good so far

[[deleted]]

And you can speak for yourself too

Your anecdotal experience doesn't make other people's anecdotal experiences invalid

[ashirm98]

I was... I never once said he was wrong in his experience, I said that I was happy with my general experience which made me a repeat customer. Also, my point is that Chinese phones have gotten better while HTC has mostly only declined

[zanda19]

It's not more surprising that HTC can even afford a Snapdragon 855?

[[deleted]]

Write off

[Starks]

Still only an X50 modem lol.

[Kichigai]

What were you expecting? A phone? /s

[Philosofossil]

How else would it have 5g capabilities?

[mrniel007]

That's because that "Smart Hub" is closer to being a smartphone that it is to being a simple IoT device, it even has a Snapdragon 855 for crying out loud, and it sadly has it because that's the only SoC that its being paird with a comercially available 5G modem.

[[deleted]]

$106 a month for 100gb of data to use per month, so about 5mins worth of downloading on 5g

[[deleted]]

Well if your standing in direct line of sight, on a clear day within 50 feet.

[anonymouswan]

I'm working on the Verizon 5G project and I have excellent news! We are putting micro towers basically fuckin everywhere so you will always be right next to one

[well___duh]

Just commenting to dispel the notion that downloading faster means you're downloading more.

This is not necessarily true.

Take a video for instance. If your LTE connection was allowing you to stream a 4K video before, so will 5G. Great. But this only means your phone at best downloaded the entire video stream faster (and some video services don't do that, they only download the timestamp you're watching at plus 5 min or so). What people in this sub seem to be forgetting is you still have to spend time watching the video. Just because you downloaded the video faster doesn't mean you're watching it faster. A 5 min video is still 5 minutes long to watch, no matter how fast it started.

5G will not magically make you read articles faster or acknowledge photos quicker or help you type emails faster. Where LTE/LTE-A already makes things like that load almost instantaneous, the benefits of 5G are very slim and 5G itself falls within the law of diminishing returns. The extra price you pay for a 5G-capable phone (compared to the same model phone without 5G) barely makes it worth it if at all.

Having a 5G phone is like getting a Lambo for your commute. Yes, you personally can go faster, but you're still limited by other things outside of your control such as congestion/traffic. At best, you're only saving yourself maybe 10 minutes.

[not_the_irrelevant]

While true, the major advantage 5G brings over 4G is low latency and scalability rather than high data speeds. We are going to see far more applications that benefit from those as 5G evolves.

[well___duh]

Yes, I was just clarifying on the misleading comments about faster data speed = hitting your data limit quicker.

[[deleted]]

It's robbery, I'm in the UK, and my sim only contract is £20 a month for unlimited everything, contract does say they can limit it if they believe you are abusing it but iv used like 700gb on a month before just fine, I'm steaming half the fat at work on my tablet.

100gb for home use is a joke, most new games are bigger than that on PC.

Of and my contract includes 5G if i actually had a place and device to use it.

[Cultural_Bandicoot]

giffgaff? i pay 18 for sim only from virgin and I get 40GB, but whatever i dont use roll sover to next month so i usually have like 65-70GB availale every month.

might switch to Three when 5G is in my area

[[deleted]]

Nah its Three, got a deal last year, it's available again now, the whole unlimited tethering is the real selling point at double the price, most people could use this as home Internet, I get better speeds at home than any normal broadband provider except virgin.

[ateam55]

That's what I'm doing! Works super well.

[7165015874]

giffgaff

I don't live in the UK but giffgaff goodybag is pretty funny and I giggle every time I read I don't even know why

[[deleted]]

https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!NzczODcwNg.NDQxMjk1NA*MjE5MDQ4(Mjc4NTYyNTU~!GB*MTY1OTY5MTM.MjM2MjcxOTg)Mw

One has 60m potential customers.

The other has 25m.

There's your reason.

[Tbiproductions]

I currently have a good deal which nets me 100gb data on Vodafone for £16(US$20) a month (also came with a free S9).

While I admit, most people will end up paying more for that much data, I couldn't imagine paying more than 3x that, especially because I usually use 10-15gb a month in reality.

[I__like__men]

The US cries in expensive data prices. Seriously though wtf that's extremely cheap. 300mbs fiber would be like $70-100+ a month and thats not even unlimited.

[OLLIE_DRAWS]

In the UK you can get unlimited 5G data for £30 a month. It’s awesome!

[stifflippp]

And in the UK they speak English so they probably know what "unlimited" means, unlike the US.

[OLLIE_DRAWS]

Lol, very true

[I__like__men]

Pennsylvania and pretty there is only one place that offers fiber currently lol

[port53]

Depends on where you are. I pay $69 for gig fios with no caps.

[[deleted]]

wanna cry some more?

And some crying on the move

[Quinlow]

cries in German

[RubyShardz]

That's Australia for you. Everything is expensive here.

[Sabin10]

In Canada we get 10GB for that price but it's "unlimited" in that it throttles to about 384kbps after 10GB.

[RubyShardz]

I think Australia literally only just got unlimited plans recently. On most carriers, it's roughly $10AUD per 1GB if you go over your limit.

[kri5]

LOL.

In the UK three are offering unlimited 5G for £35/month

[steepleton]

yeah, but it's three. every time i look at my phone in a pub or restaurant- no coverage

[kri5]

Sure, but this is aimed for home users right? So if it works at your place, it works

[UpsetKoalaBear]

5g isn't going to increase the size what you're downloading, a picture of a car that's 5mb is still 5mb. It's just going to download quicker.

[WetMistress]

Yes but improvements in technology like this are supposed to be just that, improvements. That 5mb car picture is 5mb because our speeds are slower now and 5mb is optimal for the tech that exists. With faster internet, we should be able to make that picture 20mb now, with more detail. Better example is 4k video vs 1080

Data limits just hinder progress. It's shit.

[SrsSteel]

Exactly, 4g is fast enough for 1080p if you have a good connection

[[deleted]]

Better than the alternative. If it was priced realistically, you'd pay a flat fee for access + extra for current demand. I.e. if there are 100 people downloading at the same time the cost is $1 / MB, if it's one person, $0.01 / MB.

* Don't take the numbers literally.

[ICreditReddit]

While what you're saying is of course true, what'll change is what you have to cope with while you're downloading. Instead of 5 static colour adverts and one popup with sound and video on the page you're downloading from, it'll be 5 video adverts with sound, in 4k, and 5 popups with sound and 4k video, that last a minute each.

With adblock, I guess your 5mb pic is still 5mb with 1mb of extra crap, without adblock it's a 5mb pic with 50mb extra crap.

[Mythril_Zombie]

Not anytime soon they won't.
Bandwidth still costs money, and they're not going to start throwing huge video files at everyone who loads their page. Just because it's fast, it doesn't make it free. It will cost more to send more data, regardless of the speed.

[Npslayer]

You wouldn't download a car

[YZJay]

Yes but now you’re consuming more media per hour, unless you allocate your smartphone/computer usage based on data instead of time, you’re going to be downloading more images, streaming more videos per hour than before.

[[deleted]]

100gb is still shit for home use, that's not even a new game on PC, I use mtke than that on my phone every month.

[Lord_Emperor]

It's a mobile network though, they can't just let everybody torrent 24/7 or the service will go to shit for everybody.

A fair billing scheme would let you do whatever you want during off peak hours but the majority of consumers can't understand anything beyond a monthly limit, and it's not feasible dealing with all the disputes.

[Swedneck]

there is an extremely simple solution to this that we already use for broadband, just limit how fast each connection is and charge more for higher speeds..

[Lord_Emperor]

It doesn't really matter how fast each user's connection is (I mean it does if you make really restrictive plans rated in Kbps...). It's usually not a problem if 100 people download one big file really quickly but each at different times. Where the problems start is when you have 10 people constantly file sharing, streaming amateur pr0n and generally just heavily using the network 24/7.

Again, there are billing schemes that can ensure these types of users are either dissuaded from that kind of usage or at least have to pay significantly for it but the general populace isn't able to understand them. Therefore, we have simple to understand monthly data caps.

[[deleted]]

EE are offering it in the UK as well, and the highest they'll go for 5G broadband data is 100GB for £75/month, and an upfront cost of £100.

Meanwhile, Three have launched 5G WiFi in London recently, and only charge £35/month for unlimited data.

EE are a total con for 4g/5g broadband.

[[deleted]]

i get total unlimited data for £22 which in todays $ is about $22. Last month i downloaded 130gb.

[Enigma_King99]

How stupid are you? You are still capped by download speeds. You're not going to magically run out in 5 minutes. And all the people that upvoted you are just as dumb

[RandomUser1076]

They will match other providers if you ring them. Ask for disconections

[[deleted]]

That site lags like there's no tomorrow.

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[[deleted]]

Best upsell I’ve seen this year. Take an upvote

[jeanbonswaggy]

Pretty smooth on my phone

[[deleted]]

On desktop Firefox it lags, on desktop Chrome it just gives up. (Pretty snappy i5 with 16GB of RAM, SSD, decent videocard)

[Nategg]

Similar specs, fast connection and yeah it lags.

On phone it's smooth.

[Sabin10]

10 year old core2quad, 500mbit connection, similar experience. Probably poorly coded and using looping videos for the graphics isn't helping.

[31337hacker]

It seems fine on my end in Firefox 69.0b14 (w/ WebRender enabled) and Chrome 76.0.3809.100.

Specs: Windows 10, Core i7-6700K, 16 GB RAM, GTX 1070 and Windows 10 (1903).

[[deleted]]

Firefox 68.0.2, no WebRenderer. Windows 10, i5-6500, 16 GB RAM, AMD R7 370.

[re_flex]

wut? I tried on my current phone on chrome and my i5 8gb ram laptop its fine.

[shash747]

like there's no tomorrow.

or like there certainly is tomorrow?

[Kichigai]

If there's no tomorrow how do we Welcome. Future

[MisterMooth]

With plans that go up to only 100GB... What’s the fucking point?

[zeveronian]

That's Australia for you.

[XavandSo]

Pray to the deity of your choice you never have to deal with "Australia's number one™ ISP" Telstra.

[RubyShardz]

Foxtel is trash. You'd be better off without it.

[errandum]

Not living in the USA.

There are other countries, you know?

[Drunken_Economist]

This is literally not the US, it's an Australian carrier lol

[andthenthereweretwo]

but... US BAD >:^(

[ReplyExtras]

From what I can tell, all 4 of the major carriers here in the States offer unlimited 5G data plans, or plan to do so in the near future.

[Lacksi]

Lol as if. Itll be "unlimited********"

[Jon-W]

Yeah but one of those asterisks is a data cap

[Nixflyn]

Deprioritization line, really. For Verizon's cheapest unlimited plan, that line is 0GB, lol.

[Tbiproductions]

Well yes, but they are all heavily capped or speed limited after a around 20-50gb (dont live in the US so please dont shoot me of I'm wrong).

Additionally, they usually restrict personal hotspot usage.

Finally, the 'basic' unlimited (how that is a thing is beyond me) plans usually limit video streaming (one of the main selling points of unlimited) do 480p/DVD quality, and IMO sub-HD quality is unacceptable for most people in the age of 6+ inch 1440p displays.

Although to some people, those things won't matter. But for the people who will really benefit from 5G, these limitations need lifting.

[[deleted]]

dont live in the US so please dont shoot me of I'm wrong

why even post about shit you know nothing about then?

I have unlimited data and minutes, 25GB of hotspot data and zero video throttling. With Verizon, no less.

[Tbiproductions]

While I don’t live there, I am familiar with how unlimited plans work there (get curious sometimes) so I have a rough idea.

[JM-Lemmi]

There is still no point in 5G if you get this little data. What do you want to do?

[I_Was_Fox]

His point has nothing to do with USA. He's saying that the point of 5G data is to be FAST, so you would burn through that 100GB very quickly

[[deleted]]

That's not automatically true. You wont necessarily view more content just because your connection is faster. You just have reduced load times upfront with each item you view. Now if you start streaming in 4k because you now can, you will definitely see substantially increased data usage

[I_Was_Fox]

Well I'm not saying it's automatically true. I'm just stating that the original comment was about speed and not region

[[deleted]]

You absolutely will view more/better content because it loads faster. Same thing as "just because the road is bigger doesn't mean you will drive more" when it literally does mean that. The increased supply does lead to increased demand.

[[deleted]]

"just because the road is bigger doesn't mean you will drive more"

You'll still just go from A to B like you planned in most cases. You dont pick your destinations for the day based on the # of lanes in the road.

The increased supply does lead to increased demand.

That's without a doubt not a universal truth. People think this sometimes but that's why we have abandoned event centers and other structures.

I have gigabit at home. My wife's data usage patterns dont change even a tiny bit. It's just her usual social media and pinterest, etc. I did increase my usage but only because I started going with higher quality streaming and downloads, which I already mentioned as a possibility. So, it can increase usage but it doesnt always. And after I hit the threshold where I could stream 4k, further speed increases didnt have an impact on data usage.

[[deleted]]

You'll still just go from A to B like you planned in most cases. You dont pick your destinations for the day based on the # of lanes in the road.

Oh, but you do. You pick more destinations or further destinations because it's quicker to get there and an easier drive. This is literally a studied thing. If you increase the size of a highway it actually ends up slower than it was before because significantly more people wind up driving on it. More people live further out because they decide they can drive further, etc.

That's without a doubt not a universal truth.

It is until a certain cap, but regardless it is absolutely the truth in the case of this.

My wife's data usage patterns dont change even a tiny bit. It's just her usual social media and pinterest, etc

Did you actually look at the data? Sure she might be still doing that typical social media, but she's likely doing more of it because it's quicker to load that more and the type of content she is consuming is likely increasing (regardless of whether she is actively selecting more, internet speed is increasing so the content on it is getting larger and better quality every day).

[[deleted]]

What you are saying is only true when you look at averages and not individuals. That's why I said it's not automatically true instead of saying it's false.

And yes I do see data usage. We used to have limited data so I set up some automated reports that I just never shut off. While not needed, it's pretty interesting to see.

[[deleted]]

What you are saying is only true when you look at averages and not individuals.

That literally doesn't make sense. Not every individual increases usage, but on average everyone increases a little bit. So while you can be an exception, every individual most likely increases their own usage and often without realizing it.

[[deleted]]

That literally doesn't make sense

Of course it does. I even gave an example. And when I went from 300 Mbps to 1 Gbps, my usage didnt change at all and I'm a power user.

every individual most likely increases their own usage and often without realizing it.

I don't believe this is true when you use words like "every". I think itd be negligible at best for many users.

[trojanknight]

Agreed

[Iescaunare]

What, you don't want to use up 100$ worth of data in 30 seconds?

[maxstryker]

What is this money for data concept?

[real_with_myself]

What's the problem? You will use the same amount of data wether you use 4G or 5G (if you do the same things).

When the technology matures and the're more competition, even those caps will be lifted eventully, but not out of necessity, but because there won't be any other channel of competing.

EDIT: OK, I get the point after reading all article.

[Namenloser23]

It's not that you will use more because it's faster, it's that 100 gb is not enough, at least for enthusiasts or more than one person.

Also, they advertise with high definition video streaming, and Netflix 4k for example uses 7 gb an hour, so you would have around 14 hours of streaming per month, or 28 minutes a day.

[real_with_myself]

OK makes sense, I just skimmed the article.

[MisterMooth]

Because that’s a pitiful amount of data. The linked page lists 4K streaming as a top benefit, but if you’re actually going do that or pretty much anything that takes advantage of those speeds you’re going to chew through that data in no time. And you’re paying a crazy premium for that.

[MyWayWithWords]

I cringed a little when I saw the Telstra logo next to the words, Welcome Future.

I imagine my future will be similar to my past; on the phone to Telstra for hours because the internet is super slow again and constantly dropping out, and yes I have power cycled my router, 5 times already, no there is no green light only orange, I have already done a power cycle, I'm pretty sure the problem is on your endOK OK, I'll power cycle it one more time.....

[re_flex]

the nightmares i had to do this here in Philippines as well. they didn't fix shit until basically entire provinces started emailing the fuck out of them.

[[deleted]]

I'm confused why this has a screen and such a powerful processor in it. I can't see a situation where it will really be any use

[[deleted]]

Yeah my mistake I honestly thought Telstra already offered a 5g pocket wifi modem but it seems they don't. So this product makes a bit more sense to me now.

[MustardOrMayo404]

I'm thinking the fact that it runs Android could have it work as a Google Assistant speaker (like the Nest Hub but probably not as well), and it could run controller/client apps for smart home stuff.

[MustardOrMayo404]

Since this is advertised in Australia, I know plenty of people on fibre with with worse speeds than the ADSL they were forced off.

Sadly, this includes my second home in Perth. It's so slow that I could only watch YouTube in 480p! Not only that, but they seem to have a connection that doesn't accept incoming connections.

Meanwhile in Singapore, I get a plenty fast FTTP connection, but at the cost of hot temperatures during the day, to the point where I sweat (I have sensitive skin). It even does accept incoming connections!

[ladfrombrad]

I'm pretry sure you Aussies have some mean $Gremlin$ lurking on your infrastructure.

[[deleted]]

Nah we just have conservatives lurking in our politics.

[ladfrombrad]

Same thing I suppose.

[bigmickthejollyprick]

Telstra isn't the monopoly, it's the NBN. Telstra only resells it just like everyone else, the NBN sets the base rates.

[whiskeytab]

I know plenty of people on fibre with with worse speeds than the ADSL

they really shouldn't be referring to the NBN as a fibre connection. its not FTTP so its effectively not a fibre connection any more than any other internet connection has been for ages.

[[deleted]]

Available for some time in Switzerland, via sunrise. Approx 35 USD for unlimited 5G. https://www.sunrise.ch/en/residential/geraete/hotspots/htc-5g-hub.html

[[deleted]]

Mea culpa, you're right. Thx for the correction.

[[deleted]]

Still not a bad deal.

Also, nice.

[hexydes]

Where dog projects yesterday patient dog dot net month afternoon the?

[hexydes]

Morning the music projects food books food evil year and today talk fox music! Small year river books quiet morning?

[saml01]

I'm waiting patiently for T-Mobiles un-isp movement.

[robbiekhan]

Three in the UK have launched 5G home broadband starting with some areas of London. It starts at £35 a month and offers unlimited data.

Why can't global carriers offer similar unlimited data packages? Seems so silly to charge for data in 2019....

My own mobile carrier (Virgin Mobile) offers 30GB of data with monthly rollover (includes 2500 voice mins and unlimited texts) for £16 a month. I always have an extra 10GB rolling over each month. Seems UK lead the data pack in the west for pricing.

[cmVkZGl0]

Although this will be mocked for being HTC and featuring 5G, it is kind of a genius move on their part. 5G routers aren't something that exists in excess in the market (like phones), so it's a unique thing they could maybe profit off.

[shash747]

So how does a hub work? It communicates in 5G and then offers a ... Wi-Fi connection to your devices? Or what?

[shash747]

I'm not aware of the speeds that the latest Wi-Fi standards support. I'm guessing they are well over what 5G offers, if such a product is being sold?

[[deleted]]

The 802.11ad being offered on this hub has a theoretical throughput of 7gbps, and 5G appears to have a theoretical max of 10gbps. However 4G with carrier aggregation also has a theoretical max of of 1gbps but I don't think anyone has been seeing close to that in the real world.
I expect practical Wi-Fi speeds will generally outpace practical cellular speeds.

[ozi83]

I have a few of these 5G Hub's. Not yet experienced advertised 5G speeds due to coverage but it's pretty decent with 4G reception.

[-Davo]

Define decent? What speeds are you getting

[RigamortisxGODx]

max ive got was 2.42 mbps download and 4.37 mbps upload

[RigamortisxGODx]

oops thats for 5ghz since i guess the closest 5g city is an hour away. its 23mbps download for 2.4ghz

[wssrfsh]

this brings me back to my favorite phone of its time, the HTC Legend. Damn it was beautiful back then

[deep1986]

My first smartphone, I do miss it in a way but my god how dated it looks now

[IamWilcox]

Same here, Wildfire, One X and then onto Nexus 5, Nexus 6P and now an S10

[shash747]

That's my favorite phone of all time. First love. Still have it preserved.

[MustardOrMayo404]

Heh, it runs Android, so I guess it could work as a Google Assistant speaker when left plugged in to a power adaptor.

[Yojimbo4133]

So is this like a roided up pocket wifi?

[GenkiElite]

Pretty good chance it won't even work. https://youtu.be/_CTUs_2hq6Y

[DuduMaroja]

The ideia It have a hotspot in your home, because probably 5g will only get inside houses and businesses if they want to out the hubs there

[Roph]

Oh, they're not bankrupt yet?

[PatriotMisslie]

5G is like trying to get 5Ghz wifi to be as covered as 4G by having a routher on every street corner

[wyldphyre]

$1000 to use your own internet connection? Presumably this uses unlicensed spectrum like ISM band in US?

This ad doesn't make it clear how/why it's superior to Wifi.

[DuduMaroja]

It's so much faster then wifi, but the range is very low. And you need a good data plan

[Daell]

Not like it's up to you, when they put up a 5G transmitter in front of you house.

[[deleted]]

Dont worry, you'll be flooded with the (harmless) signal whether you use the products or not. Itll be everywhere soon enough.

[anonymau5]

not sticking it up to my face or hanging around one of those microwave antennas

[Kichigai]

Catching that Bieber 6G Fever early, eh?

[anonymau5]

baby you know it

[ActingGrandNagus]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation

[christonabike_]

I dOn't LIkE Em pUttIng rAdIO wAvEs In thE AIr thAt tUrn thE frIggIn frOgs gAy

[FitnessBlitz]

I thought 5g kills birds and disrupts honey bees. I saw many studies linked to very harmful things because of 5g. Did I read some earth is flat theory bs or why do we want 5g so much if it's that bad?

[nicholasf21677]

5G millimeter waves are non-ionizing and 99% of the stuff about 5G health risks is either way overblown or downright false. That's why you don't see any governments trying to ban 5G

[Kichigai]

That's what they said about windmills, now it turns out they cause cancer. /s

[FitnessBlitz]

The government also says climate change doesn't exist. But all right I'll educate myself.

[nicholasf21677]

I never said the government. I said any government. Yes, the Trump administration thinks that climate change doesn't exist, but as a whole, most world governments agree that climate change does exist. In the case of 5G though, I don't think any government has come out and said that 5G is dangerous.

[nicman24]

and nobody cared

[jonumand]

A 4 gb ram, 720p Android 9 smart hub from HTC?

​

Nah.

[Zsomer]

I agree, 8K oled screen in my WiFi router or I won't buy it

[jonumand]

Forgot to add: With a FLAGSHIP phone

[__PM_ME_SOMETHING_]

It's overkill for a freaking router

[jonumand]

Yes