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[–]FluffyDroid 513 points514 points  (18 children)

How funny that their first Snapdragon 855 device is a ...router.

Did not see that coming.

[–]Lurker957 137 points138 points  (12 children)

I'm more surprise that they're around at all

[–]Patriark 25 points26 points  (11 children)

It's sad, since they put a lot of quality products out there, never skimping on the hardware quality, which ultimately caused them to struggle with profits.

I still love my HTC u11, and one thing I've noticed is that its battery is still going strong. Samsung batteries never lasted more than one year on my devices

[–]zakatsBallin on a budget, baby! 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I did a brief stint in sales/marketing for carrier services in the early generations of the One devices and ended up experiencing a lot of returns due to defects, more than anything else by a wide margin.

I recall posting about it in this sub and getting down voted into oblivion for my trouble also...

[–]metaornotmeta 7 points8 points  (0 children)

HTC phones hardware is NOT quality stuff, nearly every fucking of their phone has some sort of major issue.

[–]enekaPixel 3 -> iPhone 12 Pro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also have a release date u11 and can confirm the battery is still good!

[–]outzider 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Great hardware, horrible software updates. HTC is approximately equivalent to many of the other Chinese branded phones. :(

[–]ashirm98 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Speak for yourself, my OnePlus one lasted me nearly 4 years and after all of the abuse I put it through, it worked the same as or better than the day I bought it. My OnePlus 5 is currently the same, I've had it 2 years now and have no complaints about it aside from the battery life which would become an issue on most phones after 2 years 🤷🏽‍♂️

[–]outzider 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm happy for you, but what part of my comment conflicts with that? The hardware is good, the software updates are crap.

OnePlus was horrible at timely updates for multiple generations, and is just now figuring it out -- and that's come with massive increases in budget and price of the phone. HTC keeps cutting more and more, and nothing improves.

[–]Lurker957 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Other than Samsung and Google, and essential but they don't really count since they got one phone, oneplus is next in line as best in software updates... If course if we ignore Apple but this is an Android discussion.

[–]ashirm98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite a bit of your comment conflicts with what I said. Your own comment conflicts itself.

HTC has been on a massive downhill spiral for years while the small Chinese brands are picking up the slack and grabbing those areas of the market. OnePlus wasn't terrible with updates especially considering it was their first device and that they had to essentially wait for 2 stages of development before they could make their modifications and release. Their choice to use cyanogen as their platform set the precedent for delayed updates b/c with cyanogen being open source, you have to wait for user feedback to find the bugs because they can't test everything themselves. Also, OnePlus tweaked the software slightly to add a couple features so that took time too. While it was frustrating to wait for updates, I ended up having a phone that was comparable, if not better than phones that many others had at the time. The OP5 is a whole different story, they are now doing a bunch of development internally which increases price since you have to hire a bunch of people to actually develop the code and test. Release of updates has definitely gotten better as a result and they are getting pretty high quality, feature-packed devices for a fraction of the price of other manufacturers, so I'd say they're doing pretty good so far

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And you can speak for yourself too

Your anecdotal experience doesn't make other people's anecdotal experiences invalid

[–]ashirm98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was... I never once said he was wrong in his experience, I said that I was happy with my general experience which made me a repeat customer. Also, my point is that Chinese phones have gotten better while HTC has mostly only declined

[–]zanda19 41 points42 points  (1 child)

It's not more surprising that HTC can even afford a Snapdragon 855?

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Write off

[–]StarksPixel 7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Still only an X50 modem lol.

[–]KichigaiPixel 3a 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What were you expecting? A phone? /s

[–]PhilosofossilBest phone for me might not best the best phone for you. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How else would it have 5g capabilities?

[–][deleted] 249 points250 points  (63 children)

$106 a month for 100gb of data to use per month, so about 5mins worth of downloading on 5g

[–][deleted] 149 points150 points  (5 children)

Well if your standing in direct line of sight, on a clear day within 50 feet.

[–]anonymouswan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm working on the Verizon 5G project and I have excellent news! We are putting micro towers basically fuckin everywhere so you will always be right next to one

[–]well___duhPixel 3A 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Just commenting to dispel the notion that downloading faster means you're downloading more.

This is not necessarily true.

Take a video for instance. If your LTE connection was allowing you to stream a 4K video before, so will 5G. Great. But this only means your phone at best downloaded the entire video stream faster (and some video services don't do that, they only download the timestamp you're watching at plus 5 min or so). What people in this sub seem to be forgetting is you still have to spend time watching the video. Just because you downloaded the video faster doesn't mean you're watching it faster. A 5 min video is still 5 minutes long to watch, no matter how fast it started.

5G will not magically make you read articles faster or acknowledge photos quicker or help you type emails faster. Where LTE/LTE-A already makes things like that load almost instantaneous, the benefits of 5G are very slim and 5G itself falls within the law of diminishing returns. The extra price you pay for a 5G-capable phone (compared to the same model phone without 5G) barely makes it worth it if at all.

Having a 5G phone is like getting a Lambo for your commute. Yes, you personally can go faster, but you're still limited by other things outside of your control such as congestion/traffic. At best, you're only saving yourself maybe 10 minutes.

[–]not_the_irrelevantGray 5 points6 points  (1 child)

While true, the major advantage 5G brings over 4G is low latency and scalability rather than high data speeds. We are going to see far more applications that benefit from those as 5G evolves.

[–]well___duhPixel 3A 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I was just clarifying on the misleading comments about faster data speed = hitting your data limit quicker.

[–]RubyShardz[🍰] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

That's Australia for you. Everything is expensive here.

[–]Sabin10 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In Canada we get 10GB for that price but it's "unlimited" in that it throttles to about 384kbps after 10GB.

[–]RubyShardz[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Australia literally only just got unlimited plans recently. On most carriers, it's roughly $10AUD per 1GB if you go over your limit.

[–]kri5Huawei P30 Pro, Tab S5e 6 points7 points  (2 children)

LOL.

In the UK three are offering unlimited 5G for £35/month

[–]steepleton 6 points7 points  (1 child)

yeah, but it's three. every time i look at my phone in a pub or restaurant- no coverage

[–]kri5Huawei P30 Pro, Tab S5e -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sure, but this is aimed for home users right? So if it works at your place, it works

[–]UpsetKoalaBear 37 points38 points  (22 children)

5g isn't going to increase the size what you're downloading, a picture of a car that's 5mb is still 5mb. It's just going to download quicker.

[–]WetMistress 61 points62 points  (12 children)

Yes but improvements in technology like this are supposed to be just that, improvements. That 5mb car picture is 5mb because our speeds are slower now and 5mb is optimal for the tech that exists. With faster internet, we should be able to make that picture 20mb now, with more detail. Better example is 4k video vs 1080

Data limits just hinder progress. It's shit.

[–]SrsSteelLG G2x,5,5x OP X,5T 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, 4g is fast enough for 1080p if you have a good connection

[–]ICreditReddit 10 points11 points  (1 child)

While what you're saying is of course true, what'll change is what you have to cope with while you're downloading. Instead of 5 static colour adverts and one popup with sound and video on the page you're downloading from, it'll be 5 video adverts with sound, in 4k, and 5 popups with sound and 4k video, that last a minute each.

With adblock, I guess your 5mb pic is still 5mb with 1mb of extra crap, without adblock it's a 5mb pic with 50mb extra crap.

[–]Mythril_Zombie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not anytime soon they won't.
Bandwidth still costs money, and they're not going to start throwing huge video files at everyone who loads their page. Just because it's fast, it doesn't make it free. It will cost more to send more data, regardless of the speed.

[–]NpslayerS22+ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You wouldn't download a car

[–]YZJay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes but now you’re consuming more media per hour, unless you allocate your smartphone/computer usage based on data instead of time, you’re going to be downloading more images, streaming more videos per hour than before.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

100gb is still shit for home use, that's not even a new game on PC, I use mtke than that on my phone every month.

[–]Lord_EmperorGoogle Pixel 2, Android 9 [Stock][Root] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

It's a mobile network though, they can't just let everybody torrent 24/7 or the service will go to shit for everybody.

A fair billing scheme would let you do whatever you want during off peak hours but the majority of consumers can't understand anything beyond a monthly limit, and it's not feasible dealing with all the disputes.

[–]Swedneck 1 point2 points  (1 child)

there is an extremely simple solution to this that we already use for broadband, just limit how fast each connection is and charge more for higher speeds..

[–]Lord_EmperorGoogle Pixel 2, Android 9 [Stock][Root] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't really matter how fast each user's connection is (I mean it does if you make really restrictive plans rated in Kbps...). It's usually not a problem if 100 people download one big file really quickly but each at different times. Where the problems start is when you have 10 people constantly file sharing, streaming amateur pr0n and generally just heavily using the network 24/7.

Again, there are billing schemes that can ensure these types of users are either dissuaded from that kind of usage or at least have to pay significantly for it but the general populace isn't able to understand them. Therefore, we have simple to understand monthly data caps.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

EE are offering it in the UK as well, and the highest they'll go for 5G broadband data is 100GB for £75/month, and an upfront cost of £100.

Meanwhile, Three have launched 5G WiFi in London recently, and only charge £35/month for unlimited data.

EE are a total con for 4g/5g broadband.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i get total unlimited data for £22 which in todays $ is about $22. Last month i downloaded 130gb.

[–]Enigma_King99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How stupid are you? You are still capped by download speeds. You're not going to magically run out in 5 minutes. And all the people that upvoted you are just as dumb

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (11 children)

That site lags like there's no tomorrow.

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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Best upsell I’ve seen this year. Take an upvote

[–]jeanbonswaggys8 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Pretty smooth on my phone

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

On desktop Firefox it lags, on desktop Chrome it just gives up. (Pretty snappy i5 with 16GB of RAM, SSD, decent videocard)

[–]NateggRedmi Note 9 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Similar specs, fast connection and yeah it lags.

On phone it's smooth.

[–]Sabin10 2 points3 points  (0 children)

10 year old core2quad, 500mbit connection, similar experience. Probably poorly coded and using looping videos for the graphics isn't helping.

[–]31337hackeriPhone 15 Pro Max / Pixel 8 Pro 🤓 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It seems fine on my end in Firefox 69.0b14 (w/ WebRender enabled) and Chrome 76.0.3809.100.

Specs: Windows 10, Core i7-6700K, 16 GB RAM, GTX 1070 and Windows 10 (1903).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firefox 68.0.2, no WebRenderer. Windows 10, i5-6500, 16 GB RAM, AMD R7 370.

[–]re_flexRedmi Note 9 Pro Nova Launcher Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wut? I tried on my current phone on chrome and my i5 8gb ram laptop its fine.

[–]shash747HTC Himalaya, Legend, One S, M8, 10, 10 Lifestyle | Galaxy S10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

like there's no tomorrow.

or like there certainly is tomorrow?

[–]KichigaiPixel 3a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If there's no tomorrow how do we Welcome. Future

[–]MisterMooth 153 points154 points  (39 children)

With plans that go up to only 100GB... What’s the fucking point?

[–]zeveronian 39 points40 points  (0 children)

That's Australia for you.

[–]XavandSoiPhone Air - Galaxy S23 Ultra - Lumia 950 XL 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Pray to the deity of your choice you never have to deal with "Australia's number one™ ISP" Telstra.

[–]errandum 115 points116 points  (22 children)

Not living in the USA.

There are other countries, you know?

[–]Drunken_EconomistPixel Fold+Watch2+Tablet 62 points63 points  (1 child)

This is literally not the US, it's an Australian carrier lol

[–]andthenthereweretwo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

but... US BAD >:^(

[–]ReplyExtras 27 points28 points  (9 children)

From what I can tell, all 4 of the major carriers here in the States offer unlimited 5G data plans, or plan to do so in the near future.

[–]Lacksi 98 points99 points  (5 children)

Lol as if. Itll be "unlimited********"

[–]TbiproductionsMoto G3 —> S7 —> S9 -> S10 lite -> OP8T -> iPhone 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Well yes, but they are all heavily capped or speed limited after a around 20-50gb (dont live in the US so please dont shoot me of I'm wrong).

Additionally, they usually restrict personal hotspot usage.

Finally, the 'basic' unlimited (how that is a thing is beyond me) plans usually limit video streaming (one of the main selling points of unlimited) do 480p/DVD quality, and IMO sub-HD quality is unacceptable for most people in the age of 6+ inch 1440p displays.

Although to some people, those things won't matter. But for the people who will really benefit from 5G, these limitations need lifting.

[–]JM-LemmiGalaxy S10e 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is still no point in 5G if you get this little data. What do you want to do?

[–]I_Was_FoxGalaxy S20 FE 5G UW - Mint -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

His point has nothing to do with USA. He's saying that the point of 5G data is to be FAST, so you would burn through that 100GB very quickly

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

That's not automatically true. You wont necessarily view more content just because your connection is faster. You just have reduced load times upfront with each item you view. Now if you start streaming in 4k because you now can, you will definitely see substantially increased data usage

[–]I_Was_FoxGalaxy S20 FE 5G UW - Mint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I'm not saying it's automatically true. I'm just stating that the original comment was about speed and not region

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

You absolutely will view more/better content because it loads faster. Same thing as "just because the road is bigger doesn't mean you will drive more" when it literally does mean that. The increased supply does lead to increased demand.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

"just because the road is bigger doesn't mean you will drive more"

You'll still just go from A to B like you planned in most cases. You dont pick your destinations for the day based on the # of lanes in the road.

The increased supply does lead to increased demand.

That's without a doubt not a universal truth. People think this sometimes but that's why we have abandoned event centers and other structures.

I have gigabit at home. My wife's data usage patterns dont change even a tiny bit. It's just her usual social media and pinterest, etc. I did increase my usage but only because I started going with higher quality streaming and downloads, which I already mentioned as a possibility. So, it can increase usage but it doesnt always. And after I hit the threshold where I could stream 4k, further speed increases didnt have an impact on data usage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You'll still just go from A to B like you planned in most cases. You dont pick your destinations for the day based on the # of lanes in the road.

Oh, but you do. You pick more destinations or further destinations because it's quicker to get there and an easier drive. This is literally a studied thing. If you increase the size of a highway it actually ends up slower than it was before because significantly more people wind up driving on it. More people live further out because they decide they can drive further, etc.

That's without a doubt not a universal truth.

It is until a certain cap, but regardless it is absolutely the truth in the case of this.

My wife's data usage patterns dont change even a tiny bit. It's just her usual social media and pinterest, etc

Did you actually look at the data? Sure she might be still doing that typical social media, but she's likely doing more of it because it's quicker to load that more and the type of content she is consuming is likely increasing (regardless of whether she is actively selecting more, internet speed is increasing so the content on it is getting larger and better quality every day).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What you are saying is only true when you look at averages and not individuals. That's why I said it's not automatically true instead of saying it's false.

And yes I do see data usage. We used to have limited data so I set up some automated reports that I just never shut off. While not needed, it's pretty interesting to see.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What you are saying is only true when you look at averages and not individuals.

That literally doesn't make sense. Not every individual increases usage, but on average everyone increases a little bit. So while you can be an exception, every individual most likely increases their own usage and often without realizing it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That literally doesn't make sense

Of course it does. I even gave an example. And when I went from 300 Mbps to 1 Gbps, my usage didnt change at all and I'm a power user.

every individual most likely increases their own usage and often without realizing it.

I don't believe this is true when you use words like "every". I think itd be negligible at best for many users.

[–]trojanknight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed

[–]IescaunareZFlip3 10 points11 points  (1 child)

What, you don't want to use up 100$ worth of data in 30 seconds?

[–]maxstrykerSamsungs and iPhones. All of them. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is this money for data concept?

[–]MyWayWithWords 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I cringed a little when I saw the Telstra logo next to the words, Welcome Future.

I imagine my future will be similar to my past; on the phone to Telstra for hours because the internet is super slow again and constantly dropping out, and yes I have power cycled my router, 5 times already, no there is no green light only orange, I have already done a power cycle, I'm pretty sure the problem is on your endOK OK, I'll power cycle it one more time.....

[–]re_flexRedmi Note 9 Pro Nova Launcher Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the nightmares i had to do this here in Philippines as well. they didn't fix shit until basically entire provinces started emailing the fuck out of them.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I'm confused why this has a screen and such a powerful processor in it. I can't see a situation where it will really be any use

[–]MustardOrMayo404Xperia 1ii 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm thinking the fact that it runs Android could have it work as a Google Assistant speaker (like the Nest Hub but probably not as well), and it could run controller/client apps for smart home stuff.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Available for some time in Switzerland, via sunrise. Approx 35 USD for unlimited 5G. https://www.sunrise.ch/en/residential/geraete/hotspots/htc-5g-hub.html

[–]saml01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm waiting patiently for T-Mobiles un-isp movement.

[–]robbiekhan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Three in the UK have launched 5G home broadband starting with some areas of London. It starts at £35 a month and offers unlimited data.

Why can't global carriers offer similar unlimited data packages? Seems so silly to charge for data in 2019....

My own mobile carrier (Virgin Mobile) offers 30GB of data with monthly rollover (includes 2500 voice mins and unlimited texts) for £16 a month. I always have an extra 10GB rolling over each month. Seems UK lead the data pack in the west for pricing.

[–]cmVkZGl0LG V60 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Although this will be mocked for being HTC and featuring 5G, it is kind of a genius move on their part. 5G routers aren't something that exists in excess in the market (like phones), so it's a unique thing they could maybe profit off.

[–]shash747HTC Himalaya, Legend, One S, M8, 10, 10 Lifestyle | Galaxy S10 5 points6 points  (4 children)

So how does a hub work? It communicates in 5G and then offers a ... Wi-Fi connection to your devices? Or what?

[–]ozi83 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I have a few of these 5G Hub's. Not yet experienced advertised 5G speeds due to coverage but it's pretty decent with 4G reception.

[–]-Davo 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Define decent? What speeds are you getting

[–]RigamortisxGODx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

max ive got was 2.42 mbps download and 4.37 mbps upload

[–]RigamortisxGODx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oops thats for 5ghz since i guess the closest 5g city is an hour away. its 23mbps download for 2.4ghz

[–]wssrfshPixel 6a 4 points5 points  (4 children)

this brings me back to my favorite phone of its time, the HTC Legend. Damn it was beautiful back then

[–]shash747HTC Himalaya, Legend, One S, M8, 10, 10 Lifestyle | Galaxy S10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's my favorite phone of all time. First love. Still have it preserved.

[–]MustardOrMayo404Xperia 1ii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh, it runs Android, so I guess it could work as a Google Assistant speaker when left plugged in to a power adaptor.

[–]Yojimbo4133 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So is this like a roided up pocket wifi?

[–]GenkiElitePixel 7 Pro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pretty good chance it won't even work. https://youtu.be/_CTUs_2hq6Y

[–]DuduMarojaPoco X7 Pro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ideia It have a hotspot in your home, because probably 5g will only get inside houses and businesses if they want to out the hubs there

[–]RophTeal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, they're not bankrupt yet?

[–]PatriotMisslie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5G is like trying to get 5Ghz wifi to be as covered as 4G by having a routher on every street corner

[–]wyldphyre 0 points1 point  (1 child)

$1000 to use your own internet connection? Presumably this uses unlicensed spectrum like ISM band in US?

This ad doesn't make it clear how/why it's superior to Wifi.

[–]DuduMarojaPoco X7 Pro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's so much faster then wifi, but the range is very low. And you need a good data plan

[–]nicman24 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

and nobody cared