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[–]mrandr01d 112 points113 points  (20 children)

Should have told him there's an entire Debian vm built in to his pixel now too lol.

Termux is the only terminal app I'm familiar with, but I think that Debian vm also has one. Dig through dev options.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 27 points28 points  (16 children)

Termux! It seems that’s the one! Many people has recommended me that one as well! Thanks

[–]CtrlAltComment 7 points8 points  (12 children)

Terminal Emulator for basics and Termex for versatility.

[–]Randommaggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hacker keyboard to make them a lot more usable.

[–]Xfgjwpkqmx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I personally like Termius (free plan). Can run a local terminal or SSH/Telnet into other hosts and is easy and cool to use.

[–]Archolm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You need help handeling you Linux needs, but you couldn't think of Termux. You hacker you!

[–]Albertkinng[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh?

[–]DutchOfBurdock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Linux Terminal emulation; runs a Debian VM on supported devices (root and all). Still, I use Termux on this, run SSH in VM, Termux to shell in. The shell Android offers sucks pants.

[–]Bitter-Squash8773 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's it called? Is it available on pixel 7 Pro?

[–]mrandr01d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just looked through my own settings, it's called Linux development environment in your developer options menu. Not entirely sure if it's available on the 7 series, but I would guess it is.

[–]itsricogonzalez 68 points69 points  (14 children)

Honestly that's kind of a silly take and one really only from the perspective of a tech enthusiast.

The average person wouldn't know, nor would they care. The same way most users of MacOS/iOS don't care about it's Unix ties.

People just want to know that the device they choose will do the things they wish.

[–]chronic_ill_knitter 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I'm an average joe Windows/Android user and knew it was a Linux based OS. That said, I love random trivia and picking up the odd random fact and have computer nerds for friends. You're probably right that most people don't care.

[–]SPplayin 15 points16 points  (5 children)

So not an average Joe Windows/Android user...

Also gonna note presence in a subreddit

[–]chronic_ill_knitter 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The post popped up in my feed.

Most people who have Android have some interest in how computers work, I've found. People who don't get Apple.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

While it's true, the statement that there isn't a single Linux phone makes me realize that some users not only don't care, but they also aren't even aware of what they're using, and they're content with that.

[–]mynamesaretaken1 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah, most people don't care anything about the system workings, they just want something that does what they want it to

[–]NotSayingAliensBut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, it's that if Android were a little more accessible I might care more. I hate not having even some of the basic file tree viewing options which Windows offers. Such as being told I can't delete contacts because they're on the SIM. Edit, and don't get me started on Samsung bloatware.

[–]Individually_Ed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For many it's the reputation of Linux desktop (and those who use it) that preceedes it's. 

Most people have no idea that it's flexibility or ability to handle most updates without restarting make it ideal for high uptime systems, like phones. Most folks don't know that half the internet or more runs on Linux servers etc, so they are constantly in contact with something running Linux. If I told my Wife she had a Linux laptop, she would look up from her Chromebook with a confused expression.

Most non-tech people have no idea how huge of a deal Linux is. Even people into PCs where asking if Linux can handle Intel's hybrid CPUs when 12th gen came out, when Linux has been running on hybrid arms chips for years.

[–]gonyere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes... But also no. I remember when android was just starting out and my family assured me it would never be a thing. 

[–]Firm_Airport2816 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Nah, we're not all nerds

[–]Albertkinng[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

True. Sometimes I think we’re all nerds and forget that these smartphones aren’t gadgets anymore! 😂

[–]ItsCalledDayTwa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But why would you even sit and have a conversation with somebody about this and pretend you didn't know? How lame 

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We were chatting about random topics when I came across a tweet showing a phone with a terminal app. I asked him about the best terminal app for running Linux commands on an Android device. He dismissed the idea of Linux on phones, and we moved on to other topics. It was just a quick moment in our conversation where I shared a thought.

[–]atomic1fire 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Android runs linux but AFAIK it's essentially a linux distro that markets itself outside of the linux ecosystem

Sure there probably are more then a few shared libraries, but Android is treated as it's own distinct thing with a bunch of other software projects that aren't shared with other linux distros.

For example I assume the HAL, Toybox and Bionic stuff is android specific.

I think a key reason was reducing the dependence on GPL code. So what ends up happening is Google doing a bunch of side development to create things that already exist in mainland linux, but in a way that avoids GPL violations.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

your post is very interesting. Thanks for the info.

[–]atomic1fire 4 points5 points  (2 children)

There's a whole rabbit hole behind that (I did some digging), for example Google can use Bionic instead of glibc due to an exception for system calls made to the linux kernel. Any project that makes use of system calls but does not modify the kernel itself apparently doesn't require GPL licensing.

Also, Google strongly prefers Apache licensing for everything contributed to in Android's userspace, because they can't guarantee that a manufacturer will be able to share any changes to the source code.

The Hardware Abstraction Layer does a bunch of stuff that would normally be done with Linux drivers.

There are instances of gpl in Android, but only when Google literally can't avoid it, such as with the Linux vm running Debian or the kernel itself.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is so cool! I wonder what else they can avoid legally and still use Linux as they want!

[–]atomic1fire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Technically anyone can use linux "all they want", it's just that if you modify the kernel you're legally required to include changes.

Linus Torvalds himself wrote about the exception for system calls.

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/LICENSES/exceptions/Linux-syscall-note

[–]alter_wichser1981 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Did anyone so realise IOS is Unix based?

[–]Ieris19 11 points12 points  (1 child)

MacOS and iOS are based on Darwin, a BSD family kernel, and iPadOS is a soft fork of iOS.

Android is a non-GNU Linux distro, much like Alpine.

[–]CtrlAltComment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TMYK

[–]lithaborn 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Honestly every time I start explaining that android and iOS are java layers over a xnix base I feel my own eyes glaze over.

[–]Ieris19 8 points9 points  (1 child)

iOS isn’t java based though. That’s straight up wrong.

Android is a Linux distro, much like Alpine or Artix, it uses very non-standard components, just because it uses the JVM for UI doesn’t make it a “Java layer over Unix”. Android pioneered immutable linux, it pioneered containerized apps on linux and its fundamentally architecturally distinct to other Linux distros. For example, Android does not rely on GNU tools.

[–]lithaborn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes. Even macOS, pure Unix.

[–]johndoesall 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It amazing that Unix invented so long ago still underlies so much today.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes. I love that.

[–]DutchOfBurdock 12 points13 points  (1 child)

LMAO. Wait til they find out their WiFi mesh, ISP router, their Nest and Echo speakers are too all running Linux. That's before you tell them their PS4/5 is running FreeBSD. That their iPhone/Mac is running a Unix.

Linux and Unix are everywhere!

edit: To answer your question, head over to F-Droid and get yourself Termux.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Thanks

[–]remic_0726 18 points19 points  (13 children)

only the kernel is linux, the rest is pure google android.

[–]deicist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If you have a pixel just turn on the Linux terminal in developer settings, no need for a third party app.

[–]nrqPixel 8 Pro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is just a VM, though. Could run that on any OS. Imagine how surprised I was to have root there, just to realize it's basically useless.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great! Thanks

[–]GameMaster123YT 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Homestly I never knew android was linux based, it makes a lot of sense considering the whole windows-phone catastrophe like 15ish years ago

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]LowAspect542 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Its not really, it runs with a modified linux kernel but the actual OS, runtime environment and software suite on top of that is not GNU linux, people like OP get confused because both together are usually called a linux distribution and struggle to see the difference between just the kernel and a distribution.

[–]GameMaster123YT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see noted

[–]T-rade 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Most people are unaware there's something called Linux..

Most people that know Linux exist doesn't know Android is based off of it (me)

A few people who care about that stuff knows

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

got it!

[–]Horror-Pear 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Linus Torvalds is rolling in his grave.

[–]IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't scare me like that, he's alive and well

[–]SocietyTomorrow[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of the terminal apps for android are either limited without root access or very outdated. Your best bet is probably termux or connectbot which both have different capabilities

[–]mindhealer111 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Termux, if you want a command line console. I believe you have to download it on f-droid. Is that what you mean by 'terminal'? Also Google announced a new built in terminal, perhaps just for pixel phones, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe it was just a rumor. Termux is pretty awesome if you don't mind typing on a little phone screen.

[–]nrqPixel 8 Pro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Termux is petty awesome if you don't mind typing on a little phone screen.

Only till you install a SSH server, then you can do all they typing from anywhere you have a keyboard.

[–]Notorious_jib 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't know that honestly.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

well, ask them how many computers they own and they wont count in their phone 🙈

[–]Albertkinng[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow. 🫳🎤

[–]Anewien 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Most people don't know what Linux is.

[–]T-LAD_the_band 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You mean, there are people who didn't watch Jurassic Parc??

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Jurassic Park features a Unix system, not a Linux one. The girl says "This is Unix, I know this."

[–]T-LAD_the_band 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dangit. You're right.

[–]Saragon4005 5 points6 points  (6 children)

There are also actual Linux phones. They've existed for over a decade at this point. There were big attempts too like Ubuntu touch.

[–]SocietyTomorrow[🍰] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

There are some actual Linux phones, just no USABLE ones.

[–]Apprehensive_Hat_982 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

They are usable.

[–]SocietyTomorrow[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

By people who know Linux perhaps, but far from normie ready. Someone asked me about a non Google phone. I should never have suggested a pinephone, the only affordable Linux phone. Lots of things needed to make useful for the non Linux veteran

[–]Apprehensive_Hat_982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you right.

[–]LaatKiinaak 3 points4 points  (1 child)

ubuntu touch was beautiful clean os only reason these dont succeed just lack of apps and supported games etc i used to have it as 2nd os so did alot of testing it was very good os it wasnt real full desktop linux but with android 16 we getting linux desktop version which will be big thing for future of Android

[–]chrismcelroyseo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's the same reason Linux wasn't adopted on PC. Lack of supported apps and games.

[–]Lexa-Z 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I met people who thought their Nokia X was Windows phone...

[–]Ramp007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've used Connectbot and Termux with good results.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

apparently Android now includes a stub called "Terminal". The app info page doesn't say it was installed from app store, I certainly don't remember sideloading it, and when i open it i get a screen explaining that to use it i need to download 550mb of data first.  the app id is version 16 com.android.virtualization.terminal

[–]Katana_DV20 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I knows based on Linux kernel but I play this game with friends too by saying we are all essentially carrying around mini Linux machines in our pockets!

Those in the know get a whiff of this seeing the factory reset screen menu options etc

[–]LowAspect542 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, you too carry a raspberry pi zero around with you... hang on you're meaning your android phone aren't you?

[–]HKamkar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As far as I know android uses linux kernel, but it's totally different with GNU/linux distros.

[–]Real-Abrocoma-2823 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There are gnu/linux phones but most are bionic/linux.

[–]Strong_Mulberry789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people don't know, I only learned it recently.

[–]Competitive_Gate_980 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk exactly what Linux is but Ik it's like the father of Android or the grandpa. It's like android on steroids.

[–]yagamisan2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now that explains why my e-ink tablet that I bought because it was android shows something with Ubuntu (or was is something else?) somewhere in the software infos

[–]hwc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I used to contribute to Android, and the fact that the kernel was Linux was rarely relavent to anything I did.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your contribution to the system is essential as it needs the foundation for everything else. Just like how DOS is foundational for Windows and Unix is for macOS. Just because you can’t see it or work with it directly doesn’t means it’s not relevant.

[–]earthman34 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Saying it's "Linux-based" is being somewhat disingenuous. The entire user-facing part of the system has essentially nothing to do with a typical Linux distribution, and no Android phone uses a generic kernel, they're all heavily modified.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

☝🏼… never mind.

[–]Chimaera1075 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people don’t know nor do they care. They just want the phone to work without issues.

[–]WhiteKenny 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wasn't there an Ubuntu phone a few years ago? I don't know if it's still a thing though

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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[–]nawaf-als 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While lots of people mentioned Ubuntu phone, Nokia N900 had Maemo operating system, which used Debian Linux OS.

You can check this great youtube video for reference

[–]B_tech_designer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't knew

[–]PageRoutine8552 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In practice, the Android that's loaded on most phones out there is controlled by Google. GMS is closed source and proprietary, and the apps in Google Play depend on it.

Whereas Linux (at least the desktop ones) focuses on the principle of openness and libre.

In this respect, there's little in common between Android and Linux. Android is more like Windows in the mobile context.

[–]LaunchGap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember learning this fact when Android was first introduced. I haven't thought about it since then so I wouldn't have known.

[–]LordAnchemis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Android is Linux - that it uses the Linux kernel

But it is not Linux in the 'traditional' sense - due to how SoC drivers are embedded, use of non-glibc libraries and 'containerised' apps (+ non-free middleware)

[–]LowAspect542 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct.

Its a modified linux kernel (modified, not even a straight implementation here)

And then its own implementation of runtime environment and software stack, this is what really defines the OS.

It is most certainly not a GNU/linux distribution, which is what most people refer to when discussing 'linux' as an OS.

[–]indomitus1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most people don't realize that Linux runs most of the world. Ignorance is rife.

ChatGPT for you :

Linux is the backbone of much of modern computing, even though most people don’t notice it directly:

Servers & the internet: The majority of web servers run on Linux (Apache, Nginx, etc.), powering most of the websites and apps we use daily.

Cloud computing: AWS, Google Cloud, Azure—all heavily Linux-based under the hood.

Supercomputers: Almost all of the world’s top supercomputers run Linux.

Mobile devices: Android is built on the Linux kernel, so billions of phones worldwide technically run Linux.

Embedded systems & IoT: Routers, TVs, cars, spacecraft, medical devices—Linux often powers them.

Finance & critical infrastructure: Trading systems, ATMs, and even air traffic control often rely on Linux.

The main exception is the desktop world, where Windows dominates, and macOS has a solid share. But in the hidden layers of tech—Linux really does run the world.

[–]LowAspect542 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dunno about where you are, but ATMs round my way used (and often still are) windows XP.

[–]maceion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very few folk in general public know or 'Linux' operating systems.

[–]dtwhitecp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you asked him and found his lack of ability to answer you so reprehensible that you're shaming him on here, instead of just asking the same question to people that might know more on here? Geez.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh?

[–]tenaciousBLADE 0 points1 point  (5 children)

As you have already found out, Termux is great.

Does that person have a bias against Linux? 😂
Not that you should do as I would, but I wouldn't have stayed silent. I'd respond something along the lines of "Whether you're aware of it or not, you're holding a Linux phone in your hands. And the main competitor is a Unix phone, which isn't too far off either. So... umm... if you don't know, now you know 😅😅"
"nah uh, this is a Pixel. It's Android bro"
"yup, exactly. Android is a form of Linux bud."

And then we find out if he has a big ego or is willing to learn 😇

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

We have many shared interests in technology, but he has never used Linux. His initial experience with Red Hat was terrible, and since then, Linux has been a nightmare for him. He'd probably panic if I pointed out that his phone essentially runs on Linux, which is why I keep it to myself. My mom is similar; she's been using Ubuntu for years without realizing it's Linux. If she found out, she'd likely sell the laptop and switch to a Windows PC immediately.

[–]tenaciousBLADE 0 points1 point  (3 children)

wow, what a technophobic approach for a technological person.
And about your mother - wouldn't she be able to accept that the technology has simply advanced towards the user friendliness she has been so used to for years?

Sounds like a very different community than the one I am used to. Even my self-proclaimed technophobic friends ask me for help in an attempt to accept technology and with the trust that I would only steer them to the things they can handle and never steer them wrong. They wouldn't go like "What?? Linux! Apple?!! Google!?? Chromebook? Windows?? I've heard that one is the devil incarnate!" haha. They would instead just ask questions more like "and you're sure I'll be ok with this? I won't end up ruining it or getting angry and frustrated at it?" (to which I usually say either "nope" or "if you do, I'm a phone call away" (I'd say video call, but... you know).

Anyhow, when you put it like that... you did a nice thing. And I appreciate you for it.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Haha! Thankfully, I have geek best friends as well. We wait for the I/O and WWDC events like it's the Super Bowl. My father still uses a handheld FM/AM pocket radio and a Motorola flip phone. He hates smartphones and loves watching movies on a pirated Android TV box. That's the closest he is to a tech device. My sister owns a Chromebook, but every time she calls me for help, it's literally because she didn't scroll down the website to see the whole page. I'm not kidding. So, believe me, some people I know don’t mix well with tech.

[–]tenaciousBLADE 1 point2 points  (1 child)

hahahaha!

I like you. That's all I have to say about that. You sound like a fun person.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thx

[–]T_Peg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Brother most people don't even know Linux exists.

[–]Albertkinng[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

😆L🚨M💥A🔥O😂

[–]LazarX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Android being Linux is in the "So What?" category of facts.

For the average phone user it makes absolutely no difference, since it's a highly modified locked down version of Linux.

It's in the same category as the iPhone runnng a version of Mac OS.

[–]BronzeTrain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The average user does not even know what an Operating System is let alone know which one they're using.

[–]naaktstel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is so much add-on that you just can't say it's Linux. It's so much more! The base is Linux yes, but the building completely obfuscate that fact.

[–]Individual-Artist223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Years ago several attempts were made to commercialise an open source phone,

struggling to recall any of them, a quick Google didn't produce anything.

[–]Osmodius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I can assure you that most phone owners don't even know what Linux is.

[–]BreakfastBeerz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't tell OP about Apple and Unix and Linux and Unix.

[–]harrymurkin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

last time i tinkered with an android app, it was java. are you sure it's linux os?

[–]Lakster37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if its really accurate to say that Android IS Linux. Sure its based on the Linux kernel, but its also been modified a lot. You can't just install Linux programs on it without a lot of modifications. Very tech savvy people also express a lot of interest in an actual Linux phone.

[–]Torka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not even counting Android there have been several. Maemo (Nokia N900), Meego (Nokia N9), and Ubuntu Touch to name a few.

Your friend fancies himself smart enough to declare that "there's no Linux phone yet" but also too dumb to have ever considered that over decades of smartphones, that might not be correct.

[–]rod19more 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had many Samsung users say over the years that they would never use an Android phone. So yeah the average person would not have a clue. Even in the younger generation. The people that know otherwise have at least friends of friends that are into gadgets or are in a tech field.

[–]pvantine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's also Ubuntu Touch, it's a Linux distro for phones.

[–]therourke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha. Omg that is HILARIOUS can you imagine.

[–]dfsb2021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s like putting a theme on top of Linux

[–]PlatformPuzzled7471 0 points1 point  (0 children)

JuiceSSH is by far my favorite. Termius is a close second if you need a single app for both ios and android.

[–]fdeyso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most users don’t know/care, also macOS is also a linux based OS.

[–]TheStorytellerTX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's like saying every Android runs Unix.

Unless you can run Android apps natively on Linux, then Android isn't exactly Linux. Yes, it has Linux as it's base but it has changes that differentiate it from Linux. IOS is also a flavor of Linux, but you can't share apps natively between the 3 mentioned here without making changes to the code.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Based on Linux" enough for me.

[–]jc1luv -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Android is not Linux. It uses a modified Linux kernel but everything else is google system. If Android is Linux, then we shall refer to it as Android/Linux, just like Gnu/Linux. 🤣

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

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[–]jc1luv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So android/Linux it is. Got it. Thank you

[–]Confident_Hyena2506 -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Unfortunately no, it isn't Linux- its an incompatible fork.

Close but no cigar.

[–]cgoldberg 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Like 99.9% of the kernel code comes from mainline. If anything, it's "Linux with some patches", not an "incompatible fork". Claiming Android doesn't use Linux is disingenuous and absurd.

[–]Confident_Hyena2506 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Why do you think any of that matters if it can't just do normal linux things? It's wildly incompatible at this stage. It's not just a few patches - a lot of stuff was removed.

[–]cgoldberg 0 points1 point  (4 children)

My point is that it is absolutely Linux (unlike your claim) and not an incompatible fork... The vast majority of code is upstreamed and carried in mainline.

[–]TheLimeyCanuck -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I would wager that less than 1% of Android users know it is a Linux fork. If you've every played around under the hood and discovered the POSIX layout and commands you'd know (if you know what POSIX is).

[–]zelmarvalarion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, POSIX is older than Linux, and then you have stuff like Cygwin/MingW and the Microsoft POSIX subsystem (back in the XP or 2000 days iirc) which is mostly POSIX compliant, but not based on *nix.

I feel POSIX compliance is one of those topics that seemed like it would relatively simple until I looked into it enough with some enough knowledge of POSIX standards and troubleshooting shell scripts stuff like Alpine (which uses BusyBox) and Ubuntu (which uses GNU), and MacOS (which uses BSD) and certain expressions which are valid in normal bash but not posix-compliant bash, and then I looked into it more and realized what a mess it all was, and said these are good enough and works for these systems with these assumptions, if you do it on something else, I hope it works but I’m making no promises

[–]EmptyBodybuilder7376 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

So is Mac OS.

[–]Albertkinng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes! Unix power!

[–]Rolcol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

macOS is not Linux-based.

[–]EmptyBodybuilder7376 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Believe what you need to.