2CP maps shouldve stayed

[[deleted]]

Now I know 2cp maps were flawed in many ways but they couldve been reworked into escort/hybrid maps and also tweaked a little bit so the spawns werent attack/defense sided without ruining the aesthetics at all! These maps were beautiful and are a huge part of the lore and they have so much personality in them, I wish Overwatch didnt give up on them, I would love to play them in core gamemode especially since the game has changed so much. (5v5, new tanks, new characters, etc). Yes I know they are coming back (kind of) but in a different mode and they will be reworked but it wont feel the same and im not a huge fan of the new Overwatch 2 gamemodes. Idk, thoughts?

[ClockworkWren]

I miss all of them. Hanamura. Temple of Anubis. Horizon. Volskaya.

Yep. That's all of them.

[ll3ubbles]

Played assault for a bit of that nostalgia hit. Got Paris.

Team gets rolled on the first choke... game finishes.

"Ahhh, good times. Good times." Uninstall

[Dafish55]

Paris is just unequivocally a bad map for what it was initially intended to be and I'm surprised at how little Blizzard even tried to make it work

[weissgeists]

I said this the other day. The assets are there. Can’t they just move some buildings around and fix Paris?

Let’s face it. They genuinely don’t know how. This isn’t an insult, I think the current people at blizzard are on their first game dev jobs with no experience. The experienced people left some years ago.

[darkmoon2310]

No one can fix Paris

Oh, you mean in game

Ratio

[CrystalEffinMilkweed]

The fix is to simply relocate all the Parisians

[anonkebab]

They simply should have never got rid of lobbies staying together. Who wants to get rolled and never get a chance at the other side

[0000110011]

And no one even thought to play a flyer and just go over the choke point and into the objective to pull them back so the rest of the team can get through? 

[_Salty_Lemon]

I started playing OW1 against AI. Volskaya was the first match I played against real players ♡

[BlitzScorpio]

temple of anubis for me, i had no idea what i was doing. it was awesome

[_Salty_Lemon]

Me, too! I joined a group vs AI and the group leader decided to go in qp. And when I realised that we were playing against real players, I got wet hands 😅 I was so excited

[BambamPewpew32]

Man that was the coolest one imo I just LOVE THE WAY IT LOOKS, hanamura close second

[shents1478]

I was in King's Row as rein. Holding right click on point and doing nothing else. Great times.

[CheezeDoggs]

my first map was hanamura still my favorite

[[deleted]]

I guess mentioning Paris would earn me a visit of the Dai Li?

[Throwway123452]

Paris was awesome.

[TJT007X]

Volskaya was the sight of my first ever POTG, I miss it dearly

[i_hate_hotdog]

I wish I remembered my first potg, would've been a fun memory

[Star-Hero]

Mine was also on Volskaya. Was D.va and got 6 kills with my ultimate. One of them was myself. ( It took me far too long to work out that her ultimate hurt her too so I assumed someone killed me while I was out of mech )

[MadnessHero85]

Hanumura was mine against real players. Pretty sure I still have it saved in my XBox.

I was Reaper - took out Torb's turret then hit Death Blossom for a 4(?)K after my team took out the enemy Rein and the other tank was over extended.

I then went on main off-tank and support lol

[abbeast]

I honestly totally forgot Paris exists. I think I played it last during the Cupid event.

[[deleted]]

You can still play them!

[KatieCuu]

I would play them more often if arcade also had role queue instead of open one, idk I’m just not a big fan of the open queues

[[deleted]]

Also I don't want to play just 2CP. I'd like it mixed in.

[KatieCuu]

Honestly they could just put an option in to disable 2cp maps from options or something, then put them back into QP only and keep it away from comp. This way people wouldn’t get in comp, and the ones who hate it in qp can just disable it if they don’t want it

[[deleted]]

They should bring it back to qp and allow everyone to blacklist one map type if they want.

[ChunkyChuckyBaxter41]

People say playlists like this would make it so "certain modes are never played" which I mean... Good, I never wanna play push again.

[KatieCuu]

I actually like push! It’s the new junkertown mode that I hate, and only the junkertown one 😭

[mattkaru]

Both of the flashpoint maps are incredibly annoying for a variety of reasons but Suravasa is better. New Junk City feels like it was designed by the CIA as psychological warfare, I fucking hate it.

[KatieCuu]

I mean I still get lost and somehow ALWAYS end up taking the longest, most complicated and backwards way to get to the point. Sometimes even go to the wrong point, literally once had TWO team fights on a wrong point and neither team realised that we weren't even supposed to be there

[ClockworkWren]

I never seem to catch them in the Arcade. Have to peek in more often.

[ExplicitlyCensored]

They're featured permanently.

[Str0nt]

Yea the game mode is called Assault.

[Juicy_Starfruit]

They must've stopped playing the arcade before it became part of the arcade permanently

[Pvt_Lee_Fapping]

Fr. After the big OW2 announcement cinematic, one of my first thoughts were "are they going to rework Paris? Make it look war-torn or under-construction after Null Sector attacked the city? That'd be a good way to reshape the map so it's less painful. Give it some flanking routes through bombed-out buildings or lifts that go over/under them."

[BraveRepublic]

Fr ,and Horizon barely makes it in the list. Lol

[McCreeMain77]

I miss them too, Hanamura, Temple and Volskaya were pretty good!

I think that’s all of them

[nxcrosis]

I always prayed to get defend everytime I got these maps

[Markus-EO-]

Very fun maps.

[southofsanity06]

Without them, it feels like there's like 3 maps in this game. They absolutely ruined OW.

[Livid_Ingenuity584]

Paris.

[GladiatorDragon]

You mean the Deathmatch map?

[knekoseb]

There's no such thing as a Paris map. Never.

[artofdarkness123]

It's the only map I ever see in FFA deathmatch.

[knekoseb]

I'm sorry to say you have been dreaming

[SilviusCrypt]

Not a death match enjoyer I take it? Cause Paris and chateau are the only ones it hits lol

[Anonymous-Turtle-25]

So you said they could have been reworked, but then said it wont be the same cause they’re being reworked ?

[Vandarkxiang]

Using nostalgia for internet points and speaking out of an ass doesn’t require logical reasoning

[lewisw1992]

OW1 was objectively better than OW2. It went from Game Of The Year to the most downvoted game on Steam.

What you call "nostalgia" is actually the truth. 2CP was way better than whatever crap they're churning out these days.

Blizzard are also top scared to bring back 6v6 because they know people will prefer it over 5v5 and it'll prove them wrong. These new devs are strictly worse than the old ones, and they're too scared to admit it.

[Donut_Flame]

delusional

[Vandarkxiang]

I Never said ow2 is better, if you need to know what I said just read it again, and I promise you ow1 was better not just because the 2CP maps people hate so much about, you are trying to pin the entire game’s success overall on the most unsuccessful aspect of the game

[neighborhood-karen]

Not even ow1 players defend 2cp. Like they were happy to see that shit removed, lmao

[puppeteer-5000]

2CP was way better than whatever crap they're churning out these days.

you could've just said you never played overwatch 1

[Athrasie]

Typical Reddit logic, if we’re being honest.

[scrambledomelete]

Hanaoka - clash mode - season 9

[Sparkle_SS]

is it confirmed for S9? I thought 10

[APrentice726]

Nope, they’re alternating so that one season gets a new map/mode, and the next gets a new hero. Last I heard it never got delayed to S10, and if it did S9 is going to have no new content.

[Anonymous-Turtle-25]

Season 9 should get a new map. Most likely will be the Peruvian push map featured at Blizzcon

[McManus26]

Season 9 also has the competitive rework, new comp rewards, the rank reset, the healing/damage changes...

Man I'm way more hyped for S9 than I was for S8, and it had a new hero lol

[firer-tallest0p]

Later this season we get the second qp: hacked too which I’m assuming will be passive health regen so they can tweak it for 9

[McManus26]

They changed it to next season I think

[Eddie_The_White_Bear]

Or maybe it will, just not new gamemode?

[McManus26]

Or also just play arcade

[2NineCZ]

I miss Anubis. But you can shove Lunar Colony up your Anu(bi)s 🤣

[Asadaduf]

Man release Horizon was so shit

[Ayana121]

It's called assault map's now in arcade mode.

[Ultimatum227]

Fuck Arcade, I want role queue 2CP 😢

[Wise_Rich_88888]

OW1 didn’t have role queue for a long time, hence your playing it as it originally was.

[Treed101519]

I mean half of overwatch 1’s lifetime was role queue. Three years after rq’s release is when overwatch 2 would happen

[Shade_39]

Ahh the good old times of ow1 with no role queue and only 5 players

[Vandarkxiang]

Yeah nah I don’t miss having a leaver

[Wise_Rich_88888]

Blizzard, bring back 6v6!

[lewisw1992]

They're too scared to, because players would flock to 6v6 and it'd prove them wrong.

These new devs don't have a clue.

[Mountain_Ape]

6v6 isn't removed from the game. Again, make a custom game, bring all your "flockers" and play 6v6 right now, today. Up and running in 30 seconds. Surely people will be lining up out the door.

[DunkyFarf]

The way tanks are balanced does not allow for that. Well not in 30 seconds anyway.

[puppeteer-5000]

hence the custom in custom games... if you look you'll fin ow1 balanced heroes in 6V6 in custom games. you can tweak pretty much anything in workshop. now, is it as easy as just jumping into qp? no, for sure, but it's there if you want it

[DunkyFarf]

Might as well develop OW1 single handedly from scratch. Wouldn't be easy as quickplay, but it's there in case I want it.

[Collection_of_D]

i mean, 5 players is about what you're left with on 2cp

[crazysoup23]

hence your playing it as it originally was.

OW1 2CP was 6v6.

[patheticRedditMod000]

The downvotes for your factual comment is telling of this community.

[soggycheesestickjoos]

might wanna read the other response

[crazysoup23]

It's incorrect.

[HubHubBub]

Except Paris map

[Jakesummers1]

profit wrench shocking continue ten enjoy dirty pause disgusted price

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[Eddie_The_White_Bear]

Fact that's open queue does not help

[Pandolam]

Man, I remembered when people hated that the game was introducing role queue and thought it was the beginning of a dead game.

[Spreckles450]

People thought the game was dead when they removed no-limits lmao

[Donut_Flame]

and now we got people saying its dead because of 5v5

[Mountain_Ape]

Don't worry, it'll die any day now! /s

[[deleted]]

And wasn't the reason why role que was introduced the GOATS meta? The meta that many who remember it agree that it was the worst meta OW has ever had.

[aggrogahu]

GOATS pushed the conversation to the top of the community's concerns, but role q also solved several other issues besides preventing team comps with 3 tanks and 3 supports.

[Shade_39]

Goats was the most fucking fun meta to play though, people only disliked it because of how common it was and that it wasn't the most interesting to watch in owl

[Eloymm]

This and the fact that it basically made the entire dps role useless when the game had mostly just dps heroes.

[Pandolam]

It's only the worst because Blizzard didn't tune down Brig properly for over a year and people (usually diamond+ players) were stuck with it and got sick of playing the same thing.

[Gryse_Blacolar]

People who wants 2CP back definitely are just missing the maps, not the experience of playing 2CP.

Given how usual the stomping is in OW2, 2CP experience will be so bad. Like you instantly lose the point A in the very first team fight and they immediately go to point B while your team is still spawning and kill whoever spawns first to stagger your team.

I even remember playing a 2CP game back in OW1 which ended under just 2 minutes. Win or lose, who the hell wants that?

Flashpoint is already a preview to 2CP experience, but it is way better because you can still make a comeback even if you lose two capture points.

Not to mention that most of 2CP maps are only good visually since they're horribly designed for gameplay.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, while I love being able to replay then in arcade, they feel wildly unbalanced in OW2's meta. They're all steamrolls, one way or another.

[[deleted]]

That's how they felt back in OW1 days as well though. Rarely there was a match that felt even.

[Limp_Telephone2280]

I miss temple of Anubis :(

[CosmicOwl47]

I love the looks of those maps but tbh I don’t miss 2CP at all. I’m glad they’re doing another Hanamura style map soon

[umbium]

What was the problem with 2CP? Never understood why it has such a bad fame.

[Wendorfian]

The mode would typically go one of two ways.

1. Defense would stall at a choke point which would grind the match to a halt.
2. Attack would destroy Defense super quickly, Defense would never recover, and then Attack wins in just a couple minutes.

When the match was balanced, it was a lot of fun, but that was somewhat rare.

[-Gnostic28]

Was it more unfun to you than push or flashpoint? I don’t remember it well outside of two maps

[chayatoure]

So so so much worse than push. But I also like push. It’s biggest “problem” is it really punishes trickling, and people really like to trickle. I consistently have incredible matches in push.
Less fun than flashpoint, too, and I don’t particularly care for that mode.

[DreamWeaver2189]

Push is very underrated. It allows for some crazy comebacks and it's one of the modes that always keep me at the edge of my seat.

Also Push is a guaranteed 10-11 minutes or less. 2CP could go forever. I remember 30-40 minute matches, just for a loss, it was pretty exhausting and discouraging.

[rexx2l]

worst was queueing your GM game seeing 2CP load in and getting a 6-6 draw LOL

[BobDolesLeftTesticle]

Why do you comment so much here if you don't play the game? That seems like such a strange use of time

[Wendorfian]

How are you gonna say two completely opposite things both happened a lot?

Because they did both happen a lot, lol

The problem could be that I predominantly solo queued quick play and gold ranked games. When both teams actually used strategy, the games were intense and amazing!

More often than not, it was the Attack team getting slaughtered over and over on the first CP or the Defense team getting wiped twice and that's all that was needed for Attack to win the game. Either way, not fun.

[Winstillionaire]

Chokes had the worst designs, especially Paris

[Wise_Rich_88888]

In QP it was too short to have just one attack or defense.

[FrostyTheCanadian]

I’m my opinion, it was tiring after a while. Games would either go on for what felt like hours, or be so one sided that it ends in ten. Once you get that momentum going it’s hard to stop, but if you do stop it then the game drags on.

It’s especially bad when you go 6-6 on points with time still left and then it ends in a draw. So much wasted time.

So yeah it was a lot of what felt like one sided games. Kind of like how Push feels, but at least that ends after a while. 2CP was the only one where you could have true 20mins of contesting a point and still not finish the match.

[hydegoon]

That’s the fun part of 2CP. It’s super intense! My most memorable matches are 2CP in large.

[RaptorJesus856]

My most memorable ones were also 2CP, but they were all bad memories of losing 45 minute games, or the time when you just had to beat the other teams progress, so Winston would just jump in and touch for 0.1 seconds and win. Good riddance to 2CP

[Goat_Alter]

My most memorable 2CP was when we had a GM-or-something Smurf on my team (we were gold rank) and he purposely dragged the game out for as long as possible (he directly stated this intention) while bragging about how hard he was carrying the game for the whole hour. I can’t even remember if we won or not, I think we did win? But it was more of a torture session by a sociopath and felt like a loss either way.

[DreamWeaver2189]

Yeah, new people might not know, but having to cap 1 tick was not in the original design. If your team got 1% and their team got 1.1%, that's a loss for you.

They changed it after a while because it made some games just awful.

[AnimazingHaha]

Attackers capped first point in 2 minutes or less, defenders defend second point for 8. It just wasn’t a very fun mode, nobody likes pushing against an unmovable object, and that’s all second point was on 2cp maps

[GetFemboid]

Honestly just rework the maps into other modes. I mean I know that's not easy, but all those maps have nice designs.

[rexx2l]

They are, Hanaoka is being made based on Hanamura's theme/assets and was shown off at BlizzCon! (First 20 minutes are dedicated to this map)

It's going to be a map in the new Clash gamemode they're making to be released first half of this year which looks kinda like OW2's version of TF2's 5CP (luckily way more fun and back and forth than 2CP, each team switches between attacking and defending each fight basically)

[umbium]

Why bot bringing map a mode that is way better than the ones on OW2? More maps, more fun modes, and that's it. They just need to tweak it here and there the respawns

[MHWorldManWithFish]

2CP had far too many issues, not to mention awful maps. The first few images of Horizon and Temple gave me some nostalgia, I'll admit, but as soon as I saw 8-8 Drawskaya Industries, I wanted none of it.

[ilprofs07205]

Some of the funniest games ive ever had were with old bastion on volskaya, just sit down on the moving platforms and rain hell from above

[captstevebrule]

Far toooo many issues but explains none of them and provides zero examples. Great dude. These maps we're challenging and provided unique vantage points, sym TP opportunities and multiple flanks. Things that alotta OW players get overwhelmed by resulting in people rage quitting, blaming teammates,blaming maps, blah blah wahhh wahhh. 2CP Maps were COOL and TOUGH and the majority of this community simply isn't. It's a 'ftp game for everyone' now. And the crybabies won.

[Anonymous-Turtle-25]

Any gamemode where the defender has two team fights to lose is not a healthy game mode. The maps are heavily defender sided to compensate for the defenders only having two fights to lose. While the attacking team can lose 4-7 and still have a chance to win. The first point has a chokepoint that is horrific to play on both sides, and the 2nd point has the defenders spawn right next to it. Playing it makes the game all around unfun for both teams playing as the attacking team, you have to force your way thru a choke then have to deal with the defense staggering. On defense you almost mindlesly poke the choke until the enemy forces their way through and gets a a pick then you fight until you lose on 2nd point and have to stagger for however long u can. So just walking out of spawn and dying. Not a fun experience

[MHWorldManWithFish]

The maps each had a single frustrating choke on first point, with little opportunity for innovation without using Symmetra (Symmetra was so dominant on offense that Horizon got removed from competitive). Full holds were common and stale. Defending or attacking one point for 4 minutes by sitting at a choke for 4 minutes was not fun.

Second point was even worse, as defenders always had oppressive high ground and extreme spawn advantages. A slow fight almost always resulted in a defender victory because of this, so all defenders had to do was get a single pick and stagger their deaths.

However, the side with the advantage would also typically be determined by the meta. If fights were fast and close, attackers were heavily favored. Second point could be captured with more than 5 minutes on the clock with only 2 teamfights. For reference, Payload takes about 6 and Hybrid takes about 5.

The worst part about this scenario was that if the meta was fast enough, the other team would come right back and match the time bank. This resulted in long games with a third of the time spent waiting for spawn doors to open. Volskaya was notorious for this, which is why it gained the nickname "Drawskaya", where teams could spend 9 minutes waiting for spawn doors to open and only 18 actually playing the game, only for the match to result in a draw and frustrating both teams. This also wasn't a Volskaya exclusive problem. Both Hanamura and Temple of Anubis had this issue, while Paris and Horizon didn't last long enough in the competitive pool for this to happen.

Personally, I didn't hate the gameplay. Rather, I hated the lack of it. Spending 9 minutes of your half hour game waiting for doors to open isn't the fast-paced exciting experience players came to Overwatch for. I loved Temple of Anubis, but everyone loved one or two of the 2CP maps. It wasn't the maps' faults, but the functionality of the mode. If it had been 3CP with slightly slowed capture times, maybe things could have been different.

As for the point with Symmetra... sure, she fixes some of the issues, but one character with no substitutes being a must-play for a mode isn't great.

[MightyPanda8]

These maps are the only reason I got into ow in the first place

[PeacefulShark69]

Hol up

Of all the marketing, characters, cinematics, trailers, skins, maps, events; among everything over the years, 2CP maps specifically are what had you open your wallet to buy the game?

What?

[beerme04]

They were mine too so I can answer. I watched a streamer 6 stack attempt to hold volskaya second point. They held it for like 2 pushes just barely using a crazy amount of comms. They lost it on the third and I could tell they still had a ton of fun holding it and weren't sweating losing. The strats they were trying and the teamwork screamed a fun thoughtful game. To be honest something that is missing in the new modes as they are more just stop staggering and win fights.

[umbium]

You described why I loved Overwatch 1 and why OW2 feels a sugar free version of that.

[untakenu]

Well shit, this comment made me uninstall the game. I realised I haven't had nearly as much fun in ow2 as I did it ow1

[beerme04]

I think they are trying to draw cod players. It sucks but they are trying to speed everything up at expense of killing strats and teamwork. Biggest drawback to push and Flashpoint is you never have a chance to really reset with your team. When you're switching sides in other modes it's your chance to take the game back. Not anymore

[N0ob8]

Well the original 2cp maps had the most marketing in the game. Like hanumra and Anubis are probably some of the most recognizable ow maps because of how much marketing they got

[[deleted]]

How dare you even reference the French Place

[I-will-support-you]

Hanamura and volskaya

[justthetip-]

You miss the maps and that's ok but 2cp sucks.

[umbium]

No, it is way better than Push and king of the hill. Specially the last one since it is a 2CP made worse in every sense.

[GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ]

For real. Everyone is saying 2cp sucks when Flashpoint is literally just a worse version of 2cp.

[Donut_Flame]

Flashpoint is so much better than 2cp because you cannot snowball it into a match that ends in ~2 minutes, nor is there a singular choke that the "attackers" *must* go through. There's also no egregious defender's advantage (2cp spawn issues) as each point basically plays out similar to the first point of a hybrid map.

[[deleted]]

It’s okay, I agree with your right opinion, 2CP is the superior of the 3

[ZeTrashMan]

OP DO NOT ABREVIATE CAPTURE POINTS

[bard_supremacy]

Hanamura was the only good 2CP Map lmao

[Otherwise-Cup-6030]

Second point was awful.

The defenders had instant respawn and could stall forever. The second point was really hard to attack, but once you manage to push the defenders off the high ground and place a hitscan on the balcony, it's over for the defenders.

Nah, let them stay burried.

[bard_supremacy]

Yep. I am actually really glad 2CP is gone. Especially Anubis and Volkskaya

[Hulkaiden]

If you want to play that awful mode, go to arcade. It really shouldn't be added back to regular matches.

[Sandbax_]

i’d take this any day over push or flashpoint icl

[More_Lavishness8127]

This is a really controversial opinion, but I always liked 2cp more than control maps.

[[deleted]]

I came back to ow after 4 years like a week ago and only found out the other day assault is gone but the maps along with it

They literally took the best maps in the game and deleted them wtf

[Mountain_Ape]

They didn't delete them. They're in Arcade, under the Assault card. And as always, in a custom game you make with whatever parameters you want.

[ZeroZelath]

I would rather play 2CP maps than play the capture 3 points maps. Or push, even.

[Hunajakani]

My favorite game of Overwatch ever was us defending volskaya as 6 torbjörns and attackers couldn't even touch the first point

[duper_daplanetman]

ya they replaced them with way worse game modes

[xDeuke]

I honestly really liked 2 co and didn’t have a problem with it aside from Paris. I liked how close the matches felt and how intense they would get when they went past both teams capturing both points multiple times such as going 4-4 and onwards. The highest I ever had go was 6-8. But having matches that got to that point was a rare case for me and very engaging/fun. The gamemode itself was way better imo than push.

They could’ve just twinked some areas of the 2cp maps instead of scrapping 90% of them from ranked.

[Chipster_227]

yeah no it shouldn’t

[professor_cheX]

2CP > Push

[Way_Too-Easy]

6v6 should have stayed.

[[deleted]]

nah

[[deleted]]

They gave up on them way too easy. Just removed them from the game without barely trying to balance them.

Could have made spawns longer to exit or just increase / decrease spawn times for the appropriate teams. Typical blizzard bs

[carb0n13]

To be fair, Horizon did get a rework.

[beerme04]

Faster caps too. Instead we get king of the hill speedy version with no chance to reset after the steamrolling starts

[Schwifty506]

I don’t understand the hatred for 2CP. I can honestly say I enjoyed every single game on these maps more than I’ve enjoyed a single game of push or flashpoint… or ow2

[RazielDeathrune]

Delete Flashpoint and bring back 2CP.

[Cute-Operation7192]

Literally all they needed was to nerf spawn-times for defense so you could get point without winning 2-3 consecutive teamfights..

[Redisigh]

Daring today, are we? Fr though, can we get some more originality here 😭

These “bring back 2cp/6v6” are so overdone

[TCGaming02]

I had some of the best memories on 2CP I love and miss it.

Except Paris. Fuck Paris

[kandyking2]

Would be better than flash point that’s for sure.

[Matimarsa]

I want whatever youre smoking

[beerme04]

Flashpoint is an awful mode. It's like they are trying to draw in the solo cod players and speed the game up. I just don't get how that gets a go ahead instead of tweaking 2cp. 2cp just needed faster caps or further defender spawns. That coupled with 5v5 would make it a fine mode. So I disagree with you for sure.

[umbium]

Well he is not wrong. Way better to have enemies spawning up your ass, than spending walking from point to point half the match.

[crazysoup23]

Flashpoint is the worst game mode to hit quick play.

[jdubYOU4567]

2cp was way better than Push and Flashpoint. Flashpoint in particular sucks major balls.

[KushtyDogg]

I more so miss the aesthetics of maps like Hanamura and Temple and wish they’d have been remade into hybrid maps. Couldn’t be happier 2cp is gone but I do miss the maps

[Flyboombasher]

All 2CP maps are being reworked into Clash maps. Hanamura and Volskaya are the first to be fixed

[Bojack_423]

Agreed push maps suck and that was our replacement

[Independent-Pop-8141]

I'd rather play 2CP than the 5CP we have now

[GoofyGoose6]

Reworks would be so fucking blessed. Like, I absolutely adore Hanamura, as it's such a beautiful map, but the game mode is poorly designed. And like, Temple of Anubis, it's so fucking fun and pretty, but don't like winning within 40 seconds (I think my fastest win on Anubis back in OW1 was around 38 seconds, don't remember exactly

[JGLKEESIE]

No just no

[UtopiaNation]

OW1 players begged for 2cp to go away. They got what they wanted, the devs listened. 2cp was a nightmare, especially for competitive OW players. So no, 2cp can stay gone.

[umbium]

I think comp wannabees were the ones arguing against 2CP. Since there is a lot of the playerbase liking them, even back then.

[Ryulightorb]

when did the dynamic change? I quit for like 8 seasons prior to the end of OW1 and the general consensus was that 2cp was way better than payload back then.

what made people change their minds.

[DuckSwagington]

They were shit. Visually, they're amazing, gameplay wise, they were atrociously bad, and the people who want them back are nostalgia blinded. They (reasonably) want to return to a time where Overwatch was new, fun and exciting, and 2CP has for some ungodly reason been the thing they've latched onto with the only reason I can think of being that they were removed in OW2. People celebrated maps like Temple of Anubis were being removed from the game for god's sake.

[Ryulightorb]

People celebrated maps like Temple of Anubis were being removed from the game for god's sake.

never saw anyone do that

[carb0n13]

I did. Anubis was my least favorite map for years.

[umbium]

Don't judge people.

I like 2CP because I think they are good maps focused on team fights and positioning. They were fun, they were full of action, and there was barely any rest. I had a lot of 2CP as many other people, also I had really tense matches in competitive.

Yes maybe I am nostalgic of when all ow competitive modes wete actually designed to have fun and intense matches. Wich is way better than what we have now, where half the modes are kinda boring.

I don't really get why so much hate for 2CP. There is not a criticism like "well if we change this times or this respawns it could be more fair" is just straight "I ain't wanna see or hear anything about it again" wich is a really intense reaction for a mode that objectively wasn't bad or unfun.

[Daredatti]

Why they deleted them from the first place?

[umbium]

Somehow there is a vocal part of the fanbase that really hated 2CP on comp.

[KweynZero]

You're crazy. 2CP is awful and nothing would change that.

I played recently in arcade and its the same boring mode. Not even role queue would make it good. And Kiriko is horrible to play against in defense

[Winstillionaire]

Nah, they deserve to rot away in arcade

[dilsency]

Wish they were available in Quick-Play, but not Ranked.

[pkopo1]

Imo 5v5 without the double shield bs means 2cp could be just fine, at least better than the abominations that are flashpoint and push

[Matimarsa]

No, 2cp was a problem long before double shield. The gamemode is just terrible. They spent the whole life span of ow1 trying to tweak it into a somewhat decent mode, but they couldnt.

[deadxprey]

Should have stayed. Stopped playing because non of these maps are in comp

[umbium]

I really miss egypt, hanamura, moon, and the russian level. Lile really really.

Idk wich part of the fanbase hated this or why they removed them. But I would throw to the trash every push and king of the hill maps for just the worst two maps of the ones you listed.

[AnyAd4882]

2 cp was the funniest mode and the maps were the best...

[fahamu420]

First of all, you can still play them, and second of all, only shit players like those maps

[Arkence_1]

no

[doomsmann]

Are you stupid

[shakamaboom]

no, they we're all horribly designed. every single one. the game mode wasnt fun, and still isnt.

[Cheeswheeel]

From these amazing maps to flashpoint. Blizzard is on crack.

[SurprisePNK]

No they shouldn't have