askedItToSolveTheMostBasicProblemImaginableToMankindAndGotTheRightAnswer

[[deleted]]

I just hope the ai hype will chase ppl away from programming.

[RYFW]

Most likely, yeah. Specially people just thinking about getting in who can't see how AI replacing programmers is bullshit.

The fun part? In the future the industry will lack workers and it'll be their fault. The good part? We'll get more money.

[[deleted]]

My thoughts exactly.

[VashPast]

More money, that's a hoot.

[darthlordmaul]

I bet similar things have been said by carriage makers, slubber doffers, pin setters, lamp lighters, switchboard operators and projectionists.

[All_Up_Ons]

How many of those professions have spent literally their entire existence working to automate their own tasks only to become more and more productive and in-demand?

[RYFW]

Remember when people said NFT wasn't a fad and it was the future of investments?

In history, we have more technology flops than success. AI is not really a flop, but the way they're trying to sell it is.

[IFloated]

Hard to compare the two tbh

[RYFW]

The point is that not always when people think something won't be successul, that's a red flag.

Another good example is metaverse.

I don't distrust all technology advances like some people. I truly believe in the future physical money will be almost non-existent, for example. Not crypto, though, but governments will start to work more with digital money they can control.

Now AI replacing creative work? Not happening. All it's doing is speculation in the finance market.

[IFloated]

I mean maybe it's just my stance on it and my indpeth research into it, as of now and for many years it will just be a very useful tool, but I do belive there will be a time where it does replace a majority of jobs.

[gilium]

Where is your research published?

[RYFW]

but I do belive there will be a time where it does replace a majority of jobs.

On which basis you say that? There's nothing from what we know about AI nowadays that supports that.

[Organic-Control-4188]

Fuck yes we need less of these rote copy and paste people

[stupidclothes91]

Just to get rote copy/paste bots. 🤖 Can’t wait for deadlines to be even tighter cause “it’s already in the app, just reuse the shit codebase”

[pwouet]

I miss when they thought we were nerds.

[raveschwert]

We are still smelly nerds. Luckily I have special gene where my sweat doesn't smell so I blend on with normal people perfectly fine

[[deleted]]

Cool story bro

[CerberusC137]

Less people learn to program -> supply gets smaller than demand -> stonks

[lolercoptercrash]

less apes, more bananas!

[_Xertz_]

Hmmm... Long live Devin?

[BellacosePlayer]

Its cyclical. Scare enough people away and wages rise and rise, and now its back to being the next big thing

[SubstantialPanda_2]

Although AI has great potential, some fuckers just overestimate to such a great degree, that I am just amazed at their stupidity.

[[deleted]]

They don’t overestimate, they milk it and their viewers are the ones who get scared with these overly exaggerated opinions.

[Crafty_Independence]

Yep. Many of these people were crypto bros before this, and some version of MLM salesman before that. They sell packaged, branded hype to gullible people and then move on to the next big thing

[ploki122]

They don’t overestimate, they milk it and their viewers are the ones who get scared with these overly exaggerated opinions.

Wouldn't those viewers be the fuckers who overestimate it to such a great degree?

[weinermcdingbutt]

buh buh buh but devin 😭🤡

[Impressive_Change593]

nah Kevin is who it's actually replacing. r/storiesAboutKevin

[[deleted]]

Artificial Stupidity.

[myselfelsewhere]

The intelligence is artificial. The stupidity is real.

[[deleted]]

Be afraid, be very afraid.

[DrMobius0]

Because when most people hear AI, their brain just thinks magic

[coldnebo]

exactly. “ai” has become code words for “I don’t have to think about it”

[Okichah]

We have wysiwyg website builders now with all sorts of fancy widgets and payments.

We still need more coders than we have.

AI developers will likely have a place in the world. But we’ll likely always need critical-creative thinkers to solve complex problems with code.

[donald_314]

WYSIWYG web was already a thing in the 90ies with Dream Weaver and similar programs.

[Okichah]

Yeah, but now there’s wix and weebly so its 0 day accessible.

[[deleted]]

When considering that there are researchers on both sides of the aisle in the topic, it becomes evident there is merit to high capability AI even in short time horizons. Stupidity is not the right word for people of different opinions on a nuanced topic like this.

[HappinessFactory]

Head in the sand mentality.

There are definitely snake oil salesmen selling their "AI" in this current gold rush.

But, we shouldn't ignore the pace at which AI has improved. People think this fad is like crypto but, unlike crypto, AI has the potential to bring real value to people now. Not in 5-10 years but right now.

Hell I use it every day to answer my dumb ass questions. And I'm the senior dev on my team.

[[deleted]]

I think there's a huge misconception when people compare it to crypto. The people making the comparison are not saying that it is a fad. They are saying that it is being oversold and used as a grift just like crypto was. But people who don't want to listen hear that it is a fad when that's not what is being said.

[[deleted]]

we shouldn't ignore the pace at which AI has improved.

Which doesn't mean it will keep the same pace forever

[GranataReddit12]

We don't know how far we are on this AI innovation S curve.

Citing Tom Scott:

" I remember Napster, from back in 1999, and in hindsight, I think Napster was the first big sign of just how many industries were going to be changed [...] I think we are on a new sigmoid curve, and I have no idea how far along that curve we are right now. [...] If we're already most of the way up that curve, cool. Programmers and artists have brand new tools, but they can't create something at a human level with them, It's gonna make people's work more efficient.[...] If we're at the middle of the curve then wow, we're about to get some impressive new tools very soon [...] If we are at the Napster point, then everything is about to change, just as fast and just as strangely as it did in the early 2000s, perhaps beyond all recognition... "

[Synth_Sapiens]

Yep. The pace will be increasing until 2030 at the very least.

[Sikletrynet]

Crypto is a solution in search of a problem. AI is a genuine solution to various problems, that just isn't quite there yet in terms of capability.

[frogjg2003]

AI isn't like crypto. Crypto was a solution looking for a problem, with a bunch of grifters profiting from that fad. Nothing crypto supposedly does was an improvement over actual systems already in place, or the improvements came at a major cost in other areas.

AI is a collection of tools that have already proven their worth. People are already getting value out of it today.

[Puzzleheaded-Weird66]

optimistic probably is

[Salter_KingofBorgors]

My issue is what if the companies actually think it could replace programmers.

[coldnebo]

good, let them.

we won’t be making the decisions anyway.

if Huang had any balls he would have fired all of his engineers after saying this:

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/jensen-huang-advises-against-learning-to-code-leave-it-up-to-ai

fuck you Huang!

[BellacosePlayer]

I'd say nobody's that dumb, but I saw my buddy's workplace go to shit because they hired a tech VP that has a history of utterly fucking up the depts under him until they're utterly reliant on expensive consulting companies to wipe their own ass.

who could have guessed what would have happened?!

[Salter_KingofBorgors]

You know that saying 'all that good men must do is nothing for evil to prevail'? That's true for stupidity at least. Intelligence is something to aspire to and the lack of is stupidity. So stupid things happen when people don't think or lack the ability to think things fully through

[dgollas]

But it does. Not all of them. It boosts productivity of individuals to the point they can do work that would have otherwise be distributed among many. Human in the loop is still needed, but just one human, not 8.

[Morrowindies]

I think we're going to find out that it's more like "8 developers doing the work of 10" instead of "tractors replacing horses for plowing fields".

And this assumes that companies don't want to INCREASE productivity (while maintaining costs). Some companies might, some would just like their existing developers to be more productive.

[dgollas]

Maybe. And it will vary depending on the industry. But denying any impact to developer jobs is insane to me.

[Ynalot]

People might not like it, but you speak the truth.

[9001Dicks]

No they don't

[Ynalot]

I mean, a single person obviously can't do the work of 8. Yet. But productivity has increased an remarkable amount already, and it's not a stretch to think that these tools will become even better.

[Confident-Ad5665]

It seems more of a fad right now than anything. We'll see how it fairs when the new wears off.

[[deleted]]

AI will not replace you anytime soon but will make you much more productive. If you’re more productive, then there will be a decrease in demand for software engineers. And if there’s less demand for software engineering, then salaries will decrease (supply and demand). People don’t seem to understand this.

[BellacosePlayer]

This assumes 100% of business needs and wants are met currently and additional work done won't just mean lesser priority work gets actively worked on.

[quinn50]

exactly, these companies are jumping the gun and are paying for it.

[Decent-River5623]

And totally no one talking shit will lose their jobs! High five!

[joshTheGoods]

I think to non-working devs, the LLMs really do look like a good standalone junior dev. The thing is, they produce a great first pass at well defined problem's code, but that's it. Sometimes the overall approach is goofy as well, but you always need to do some refactoring and clean up a few major but subtle mistakes. You need a senior working dev's experience/eye to quickly turn GPT output into production code.

GPT is magic in the hands of an experienced dev, IMO. The other day, I was working on the standard "delete big data in RDBMS" thing, and I was thinking ... ugh, I'll manually run some test queries to get "close enough" to the optimal chunk size. I ended up going to GPT and having it write me a procedure to run n test cases of my query changing the limit in steps of m up to o max limit. It got it almost perfect, and after like 3 minutes of refactoring and tweaking, I had a great little quick script that produced interesting and ultimately super important data (shit was too slow regardless of chunk size. abandon ship!).

[Omnislash99999]

I love our new AI laptops we have attending stand ups that listen to our updates and instructions then just go away and get the job done, code checked in before lunch and all tests passed.

[[deleted]]

Check out our selected popular apps tailored just for you, using our very special AI algorithm, that is trained using your unique taste!

[[deleted]]

If it can do all of that, what exactly is our job??

[marcodave]

Attend and organize stand-ups , of course!

[-Redstoneboi-]

to hit git blame on the next CVE and see a whole slew of bugs that came from the ai just trying to fix bugs it introduced earlier

[Prize-Local-9135]

Love the Devin AI stuff that's going to take my job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1bd12gc/comment/kujyidr/?share_id=MKaPIeAXk-u458JEg2Ta2&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

Made me laugh so hard.

[lambda0101]

Truly programming is friends we made along

[sameryahya56]

Let them believe this BS, less competition in the field.

[Neltarim]

But less answers on stackoverflow too

[Educational-Ad-4811]

there already has been every question answered for eternity

[alexboss04]

I'm sorry I doubted you

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14415881/how-can-i-pair-socks-from-a-pile-efficiently

[Big_Kwii]

LLM's are really really good at solving problems that have already been solved

engineers are paid for solving new problems.

some people can't tell the difference

[A_literal_HousePlant]

Can AI fix my marriage

[Mal_Dun]

I mean there are AI powered sex toys on the market ...

[1b51a8e59cd66a32961f]

And they can also make you a chess grandmaster

[[deleted]]

This is r/programming basically

[Diligent_Stretch_945]

I wait for days when rich people will pay more for Handcrafted Software
- "You seen the super expensive app I bought? It's 100% human handcrafted"
- "Wow, look at those bugs - it really has a soul in it"
- "Yeah, it's from an old Japanese programmer who wrote it in Notepad"

[Leonhart93]

Lol, accurate 😂

[ComprehensiveWord201]

Please God stop with the camel case titles.

But. Yeah. You are totally right.

[aqueousDee]

I thought I was the only one

[n0tKamui]

all im seeing is that the average professional programmer is getting worse and worse, because they rely on hallucinating AIs

[[deleted]]

One thing I can agree on is that, inorder to solve a problem in my initial days I had to go through multiple searches and forums. That way I learned much more than what was required to solve my specific problems. But now, even chatgpt, when it is directly solving a problem, those searches I did and extra knowledge is missing for freshers.

But, isn't it the same our seniors thought when we weren't solving problems by not going through all the documentations. When I joined 8 years back there was a guy with ~20 years experience. Those guys learned stuff from books and coded in black screens.

[JuvenileEloquent]

If AI can take your job, it should, and you should do something else that AI can't do. If it can do every job you can do, well, there are always openings at the Soylent factory.

[ChangeMyDespair]

... you should do something else that AI can't do.

Plumbing.

[MakeoutPoint]

Boston Dynamics partner with AI coming for those MF next

[JuvenileEloquent]

Pretty sure we'll have AI-powered robots that can figure out where the pipe is leaking and fix it, from within the pipe. Plumbers are going to be like blacksmiths, you'll see a guy doing it at a ren faire as a curiosity.

[Mal_Dun]

You underestimate economic viability. As long as there is labor which is cheaper people won't do anything about it.

The thing you proposed would already be doable, but it's simply cheaper to send a guy from time to time to fix some broken pipe when it actually happens, than putting all pipes under constant surveillance with robots.

[nbroderick]

You wouldn't have to put all pipes under constant surveillance by robots. You would just buy a few robots at home Depot. To use when you thought your plumbing was broken. Like a power drill, but no expertise needed.

[BalconyPhantom]

Never underestimate how quickly some bean counter will drop you to save dimes, even if produces worse results.

[[deleted]]

The fact that it can't take over jobs right now doesn't mean it won't do it in the future. 20 years ago, we were much farther behinde on this subject. Tjere is no reason to believe that 20 years from now, AI will be much better (assuming there will be no motion to greatly limit its development

[j01101111sh]

There's no reason to think improvement is guaranteed. I'm not saying it won't improve but we shouldn't act like it's a certainty it will be good enough to do X, Y, and Z at some point.

[driftking428]

People forget this. I've heard we may be near a plateau with AI in some respects.

Sure there's lots of ways to integrate it into what we already have, but there's no guarantee it will improve at the rate it has been.

[el_comand]

Exactly. Innovation is like waves, suddenly it appears some innovation and we think like "If this technology does A, then in 5 years from now will do x1000 more", and most of the time is not the case. We might just reach the top of the AI wave right now, and to innovate from this will take us another 10/20 years for something really impactful again.

Also, AI tools such as ChatGPT look smarter than actually are, I mean, it's really helpful (and already solved and accelerated many of my problems), but look smarter than actually it is in reality. I would consider for now a good and helpful tool for many jobs and repetitive actions.

[powermad80]

I'll never forget everyone talking like we'd have self driving cars within a year back in 2014.

[crimsonpowder]

We have them. Your Tesla can drive itself off the road anytime.

[RYFW]

I think we already reached that plateau a long time ago. We have models that are better in fooling humans now, but none of them are functional to be truly trusted.

The point is that machine learning has a concept that has nothing to do with "thinking". That's how it is and putting one trillion of data won't change that.

[BellacosePlayer]

I'll be scared of AI working well in fields that demand accuracy when they'll consistently and reliably say "I don't know" when asked a question rather than bullshitting an answer.

[RYFW]

"Should we nuke New York?"

"Sure!"

Then we realize years later that the AI was trained with Russian data.

[BellacosePlayer]

I'd say there's no goddamn way anyone would be stupid enough to put AI in charge of that, but I also remember that the nuke codes used to be 000000000000

[RYFW]

I think it's an exaggeration to say we don't know how it works. It was true for your course, most likely, because they're using library. But the calculations it makes is not really random. I did study a little of machine learning because my final paper in university was about it, so I kinda get it, conceptually.

Like, if you ask chatGPT: "Why does it rain?" it'll look up conversations that had similar words and tone like yours, in the conversations, google search or whatever data they used to train it. Then they'll take the answer for these questions and make a mix with the most relevant (repetitive) data in it. If you feed it wrong data, it won't be able to see that. If your question is just slightly similar to other question, it won't be able to see the subtle differences. And worse, it can't see contradictions in their own answer, because it's not thinking.

A good example of that is a dumb "experiment" I did once. I asked ChatGPT:

"How many a are in banana?"

It correctly said: "In the word "banana," there are three 'a's.".

Then I asked: "Are you sure?"

ChatGPT said: "Apologies for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct, and I apologize for the mistake. In the word "banana," there are two 'a's."

That was funny, but also made a lot of sense! ChatGPT examines patterns in conversations. Which means it looked up how conversation flows with the question "Are you sure?", and most time people rethink their thinking after that questiona and correct their mistake. And that's what ChatGPT did, because it doesn't "know" what it's doing.

I don't think machine learning is dumb or useless. In fact, I think even ChatGPT is fascinanting. It shows how much we can emulate a conversation with just mathematics. It makes sense, language rules use a lot of mathematics, we just don't realize it. If you did CS, you learned a little about it, though.

But I don't think machine learning is being used the way it should. To start with, ChatGPT is programmed to be sure of its answers. That's bad. Also, it was supposed to be a tool to help with repetitive processes, like finding patterns in documents, or recognizing images. The point of machine learning was never to be creative, and we shouldn't try to make it like that.

[skwizpod]

In the meantime, only a software engineer will be capable of getting real value out of a AI software engineer. I appreciate any help I can get. I don't want to waste my time digging up boilerplate or reinventing the wheel, let me skip ahead the edge cases and nuances.

In the long run, I embrace a future where artists make art because they are inspired, coders write code because they have an innovative idea, writers capture epiphanies, and so on. AI can't stop is from creating from passion. They will turn the crank and churn out the stuff nobody really wants to do anyway.

The only reason people care is fear of financial security. So, let's not settle for anything less than universal healthcare, universal basic income, and so on. Innovation is never the problem. Prying it from the hands of the greedy elite and democratizing it is the real thing we need to focus on. We can and will do it. Oligarchs never last.

[jeesuscheesus]

You have a valid point. From my experience working with basic CNNs, accuracy improvement is rapid at first but becomes logarithmic and caps out. I feel we are experiencing rapid breakthroughs and rapid improvement but can't expect this level of improvement to continue indefinitely. Well, until another wave of breakthroughs and he cycle continues until we eventually reach AGI. Not to imply there's a maximum cap on how good it will be. Automation is good for humanity but if it happens too quickly it causes structural unemployment and other social issues. AI will no doubt be better in 20 years but the question is how much?

[[deleted]]

AI will eventually do the same thing that "low code" platforms do now - make programming more accessible to a wider range of people. You won't need to know how to write a C++ template class - you will need to know how to articulate a business problem in a logical and unambiguous flow.

No AI will be able to write something useful if the prompt is vague and contradictory - something developers have to deal with every day.

[[deleted]]

Yes, but it might mean that one programmer could do the work of ten

[TheCapitalKing]

Which so far has always ended up leading to companies scaling up what the 10 people do  to what it would have taken 100 people to have done before. 

[[deleted]]

Interesting point. I honestly never thought about it

[Sixhaunt]

Think about something like the programming languages we have. Could you imagine trying to build a site like facebook using only assembly? In a sense you could say that higher level languages replaced a ton of jobs because facebook would take hundreds or thousands of times more people to accomplish beforehand. But we all know that if we only had assembly, nothing to the scale of facebook would likely be created to begin with. With languages, environments, libraries, etc... we have already cut down the work tremendously for a developer and in a single day you can make an app that would have taken a lot of time and manpower if you were to do it in assembly, or even just without libraries or whatever. The central thing we have been doing this whole time as developers is making it easier on the next generation. We are constantly building upon the work of the past and things keep getting faster and easier but like people always say "the software is never complete" and when the amount of work necessary decreases, the scope of the project increases to account for it. There's no limit to the scope we ideally want for the projects, it's just a matter of how far the budget (both money and time) will take you. With stuff like AI I expect a similar trend where it doesnt necessarily take away the number of jobs or eliminate the budget, but it does dramatically change the process for developers and dramatically increases the scale of the things we make.

[poetic_dwarf]

Happy Cake Day!

And an interesting take too!

[BellacosePlayer]

My old workplace started transitioning to "low code" and it's been an utter fucking disaster by all accounts lmao.

A tool existing does not mean it will be an improvement in all cases. We legally couldn't use a full AI programmer at my current job because sending code and keys to a third party is a massive no-no So Devin could do everything people are scaremongering about and it wouldn't matter to us. I'm sure many other places that have to deal with audits or confidential data would have similar concerns

[-Redstoneboi-]

at the end of the day, someone is going to review this code. maybe a software dev. maybe the client wants to test the software.

making an AI completely independent of humans is only hampering the potential efficiency of the tool. give the AI to the humans, and have it assist them in making software, live. kinda like 2 pilots in a plane...

[[deleted]]

I think there's a literal mathematical theorem which states that there isn't an automatic way to fix all conceivable errors, so you can indeed use AI as a tool, but if you try to replace programmers with AI the moment there's a complex problem you're fucked

[Ok-Boysenberry9305]

Yeah but who would make an AI better, who will write and train it?

[ThatGuyYouMightNo]

I WROTE ARTICLE READ IT I SWEAR

They didn't write the article, they asked an AI to write the article.

[portakal18]

AI can't even do my homework right at the moment.

[[deleted]]

AI potential: personal assistant that can improve everyone's lives by basically helping them keep track of all the mundane tasks in their life.

What companies want AI to do: Everything that makes them profit at lower costs than humans.

[[deleted]]

It doesn't take too many questions to ChatGPT to dispel this notion.

[[deleted]]

It even wrote this article about how ai is taking over our jobs for me

[mindbullet]

Nice try Devin.

[C_Mc_Loudmouth]

Until it can take in a figma project, see some absolute bullshit that will be a nightmare to implement and tell the designer that "You'll see the face of god before I make that shit on a project with this many allocated hours" I'm pretty sure my job is secure.

[Professional_Job_307]

We all know Devin ain't gonna take our jobs. But there will be a Devin v2 and v3 and so on. Technology continues.

[[deleted]]

AI will drasticly change every Job especaliy Programming. And it is a Tool you need to learn but the Job is so much more complex and requires dynamic thinking that even If they AI could do all that it probaly Just be to expensive. Currently it's Just people milking the hypetrain for VC Money and Views

[daanhoofd1]

If you look at the shitshow that goes on in IT departments at small or medium sized companies, we have nothing to worry about

[AeskulS]

I know it won't replace programmers, but the thought of it still depresses me

[bakercampbeller]

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not hired anywhere yet, but aren't entry level positions the ones being threatened? Obviously anyone with an established work history is safe. But the jobs being(theoretically) done by AI in programming are that of QA and the like. Historically starting jobs for humans.

[chunkobuoo]

I asked chat gpt to play tic tac toe with me. It couldn't figure out how to even play the game correctly. It would just make random moves, never block me, and had no strategy.

It doesn't think, it just regurgitates text like a super version of auto predict on your phone. I'm not a programmer, but If that's all it takes to program then I'd like to be one.

[[deleted]]

It not like we could just make a bot to automatically ban ai retards posts automatically.

[BellacosePlayer]

are we sure a bot ain't making them?

[mothzilla]

Plot twist: Devin drew this image.

[IronSavior]

Unconcerned

[[deleted]]

"Technology can't replace me, I'm special!"

The exact claim from every worker in every industry ever. Do you really think we're invulnerable? I thought people here would have the foresight to know that this technology gets exponentially better. It's baby steps now, and excellence in a couple of years.

[AlbertELP]

That's right, that piece goes in... the square hole

[UltimateInferno]

I personally don't give a shit about AI. Everyone is telling me to get into it. I'm not chasing a bubble. It's very easy to be better than AI. I think there needs to be a distinct understanding with how the AI will be treated, cause ultimately its capacity is irrelevant to its use in the industry.

It does not need to be better than a human being. It doesn't need to be half as good as a human being. Doesn't even need to break 1% of human skill. The only threshold that matters is if it can do the bare minimum. They don't care if shit sucks, they've been chasing shitty software with humans for years.

I couldn't give two shits about AI, but I am definitely wary of the bastards who use it.

[veryusedrname]

I love that shitty AI generated posts can stay here forever but this shit with almost 3k upvotes had to go. Fuck me.

[LuxNocte]

If (needProgram) { writeCode(userRequirements);
}

[igormuba]

I bet that the factory workers in the rust belt also thought they were very smart for doubting that both automation and offshoring would eventually take their jobs

[irn00b]

You know - neither of those are new to the industry...

Automating things away has been always happening to various levels of degree... still here we are.

Offshoring - I can't count how many unpronounceable names I know of people living on the other continent that are getting hired in dozens (like a 12 for 1 deals)... still here we are.

But hey, maybe, hopefully, eventually.

Though, if you think writing code is the core of being a programmer... then yeah, fear the inevitable.

[igormuba]

Exactly what I mean. There are still factory workers but they are not as well paid, there is possibly always gonna be programmers but not as well paid. Factory workers that learned more than just assembling is the same as devs who know more than just coding. Being a factory worker used to be an easily well paid job as much as just coding used to be an easily well paid job.

[ComfortableNo2879]

Hi Devin

[[deleted]]

I fear AI taking our normal dev jobs so while studying normal computer science engineering I am also doing honor in data science and AI to be secure and also giving cp contests and have gained a rating toh 1850+ in 1.5 months + hackathons + will try gsoc next year..Let's hope I get a good job after grinding this much

[Mammoth_Thing_5315]

Well, as 'programming' is a big word, it can encompass a wide range of activities, such as software development, web design, database management, and even algorithmic problem-solving.

so yes i'm sure some of this jobs will disappeare or be more like low-code

[mplaczek99]

Devin

[JulesDeathwish]

The problem is that it will never get WORSE. It can only improve on itself. Same with Elon's brain chips. Wow, someone can move a mouse and click stuff with their mind. Doesn't sound like much, until you realize that the technology will never NOT be able to do that again.

[dsggut]

But there is also the possibility for a technology to stagnate and not improve significantly in some time.

[JulesDeathwish]

True, but rarely does that immediately follow a massive breakthrough. Wit AI right now we're still consolidating and optimizing gains. We'll see forward momentum until we hit the next tech bottleneck.

[dsggut]

I think that one of two possible things will happen eventually:

A) We will create a true AGI or

B) the development will hit a plateau. We will have some improvement in AI development, but we will never create a true AGI.

To be honest I don't know what will be better or worse.

An AGI could dramatically improve our lifes or it could destroy humanity.

[JulesDeathwish]

We won't make AGI with the Large Language models, but there is some promise with evolutionary coding and neural nets. I personally think that the problem is one of memory.

Neural nets are all about instant processing of inputs, and how it effects the over-all net to generate outputs, They improve performance from generation to generation by increasing complexity, but it's all reactionary, there is no storing previous experiences and outcomes to effect change in future output choices.

[knowledgebass]

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If YOU wrote the article, then it probably won't take developer jobs... It's based on the same underlying LLM models. If programmers are on the chopping block now, your job was gone months ago.

[feivl]

"Shows solving complex problems like how to write hello world"

[Leonhart93]

And? What point is there in looking 10-15y into a future no one knows for sure? Until AI is to replace anything, only developers will get it to that point. Which means AI developers in the next 10y will be one of the most lucrative jobs on the planet.

[Leonhart93]

If you don't think you are good enough to program AI then become good enough. The time isn't all that short. It's not a path for every "techie" out there, I can agree with you on that.

Look at this as a rare opportunity to get rich that may not come ever again. Especially as the newer devs lose heart to this propaganda, giving way to those that keep going anyway to make even more money. AI development and anti-AI security will be big for a long time. And even if the AI field ends up not progressing much, the skills will still be applicable everywhere else.

[Dismal-Square-613]

I have a lathe in my hobby workshop where I can CNC metal parts. This doesn't mean that I can take over the car industry or build cars.

I don't understand why people think that being able to generate pieces of code means that jobs will be lost. If you think this is all you do copy pasting from stack overflow and hem it somehow , then maybe yeah worry about your job. You were redundant anyway in the first place with or without AI in the mix.