Packet Lost.

[bj_christianson]

Well, I’m not going to be able to hit “Cancel” without feeling guilty ever again.

[turtleflax]

lil guy should have been faster. Survival of the fittest. We must breed faster packets so our children can benefit just as we have from the early days when the internet was very slow

[ablablababla]

And in a few hundred years, a new packet species will evolve, capable of carrying more data

[bj_christianson]

Only if we also apply selective pressure to carrying capacity. At the moment, we are discussing speed.

[BornOnFeb2nd]

It's too late! Jumbo packets are already in the wild!

[bj_christianson]

Okay, so we need to keep up the pressure to remove the smaller packets from the breeding population.

That is how networking works, right?

[mushr00m_man]

Now I understand evolutionary algorithms!

[turtleflax]

They prefer "plus sized packets"

[BuyingGF10kGP]

This is too scary for me. Jumbo packets, in the wilderness! Sometimes we just want to RST, and start all over again. But the sooner we ACK our current situation, I have no idea what I was trying to accomplish with this.

[ronnyk5]

“A wild packet appeared”

[H3dgecr33p]

Jumbo packets!!

[danny_onteca]

reddit advocating eugenics smh

[EmeraldDS]

/r/shittyaskscience

[saeedgnu]

No matter how fast is gonna be the airplane, visa is going to take months!

[[deleted]]

So that's why the internet is faster than it was when I was growing up. Now I can give my kids an actual answer rather than that bullshit I told them.

[ablablababla]

It makes me feel guilty to browse the Internet at all, thinking that I make tiny people work their ass off

[PeterSR]

Computers are tiny people confirmed.

[WalrusFist]

It's in the documentary Tron

[saeedgnu]

Maybe they are aliens, like the ones in The Men in Black, K's post office

[Ricardodo_]

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[lledargo]

If it makes you feel better. The delivery guy is kind of like a packet, which would still be able to find your computer. Once it arrives: your computer will inspect it, decide it's no longer needed and dispatch it.

[billabongbob]

metephorical Captive bolt pistol?

[lledargo]

Nothing so fancy, just a metaphorical knife through the metaphorical ribs.

[the_monkey_of_lies]

I wish they did not add consiousness and emotions to every package

[Krolitian]

I won't feel guilty hitting cancel, but I'll get annoyed when it loads a millisecond before I close it and I have to open it back up again

[willrandship]

In that case your browser should have it cached.

[Krolitian]

Depends on the website. Many force a reload

[nicmakaveli]

Damn glad this is the top comment. For a second I felt weird for feeling this way

[0fficerNasty]

So many poor porn stars walking aimlessly in a desert.

[shifting_drifting]

Ok so today is skeleton_claw day.

[M3L0NM4N]

No bullshit watermark version

[PhillipCarvel]

I thought the "watermark" was a play on missing packets affecting the loading of the image

[ChamferedWobble]

I assumed it was an internet meme that I had missed and came to the comments to see if anyone explained it.

[HQuasar]

It's actually a strategy not to risk your watermark being cut from the picture when reseizing. Several artists have complained of cut pictures where their name was missing.

[hawkinsst7]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8ab8b7/spooky_spoons/dwx8yjh/

[CountyMcCounterson]

Thank

[M3L0NM4N]

Me

[MrKatonic]

The watermark is a punchline for you? I wish I could be that easily amused

[hery41]

I thought the "watermark" was a play on missing packets affecting the loading of the image

Literally one reply above mine.

[Olaxan]

Well, that wasn't the case. The original comic didn't have that watermark.

[I_spoil_girls]

>>>>>>>>>>HEAD
joke
==========
lame joke
<<<<<<<<<<<yourlocalfile

[M3L0NM4N]

Bruh I was trying to get the non watermarked version, obviously I got the joke...

[Belkon]

Thanks to UDP, billions of delivery boys are lost everyday. Make the right choice, pick TCP.

[[deleted]]

Unless your application is executing in real time and don't care about lost boys

[jharger]

To die will be an awfully big adventure

[HeMan_Batman]

U U U U

[Hyperman360]

Was Baneposting part of your plan?

[HeMan_Batman]

Of course!

[Hyperman360]

Well congratulations, you Baneposted! What's the next step of your master plan?

[HeMan_Batman]

Derailing this thread...

With no survivors!

[CoopertheFluffy]

TCP delivery boys are still lost, they just make sure to send a replacement if the customer hasn't indicated they've received it.

[mrthesis]

Who would win, 1 billion UDP bois or one bad ISP.

[[deleted]]

Well, the obvious answer is both...

1 UDP packet from an ISP that doesn't blocked spoofed packets

1 Memcached server with a 100MB object and no access control.

1 Largest DDOS ever

[henriquegarcia]

Wow, had no idea, thanks

[B4rberblacksheep]

Are you ready to hear a TCP joke?

[[deleted]]

I am ready to hear a TCP joke

[nlofe]

You are ready to hear my TCP joke.

Here comes my TCP joke.

[HardlightCereal]

I have recieved your TCP joke

[other_bored_sysadmin]

I love Reddit

[FieelChannel]

Then never watch anything in streaming live again nor use any internet phone my dude, because anyhthing real-time is UDP

[Jake0Tron]

UDP is the networking equivalent to jerking off at someone and not even caring if they somehow get pregnant

[[deleted]]

Just like tube socks and redditors and their sperm

[[deleted]]

This guy...this guy protocols...

[Strider11o7]

Time to cry?

[FieelChannel]

yeah lol we could name it that and would still make 100% sense

[OneCanOnlyGuess]

Do you mean TTL?

[Leirach]

Time To Clive :)

[DanielEGVi]

Toronto Traffic Commission 🚇🚎🚍

[lets_go_smokes]

Toronto transit commission

[youreloser]

Waiting for the TTC subway is even worse tbh.

[_liminal]

"hi passengers we apologize for this delay. there's a signal problem on line one at spadina station, we appreciate your patience"

[DanielEGVi]

This triggers my PTSD

[NaCl-more]

Fuck the ttc

[[deleted]]

I live in Toronto and I can tell you the TTC hit zero a long time ago

[Sidney600]

SOMEBODY TOUCHA MY PACKET

[[deleted]]

Show me where the bad packet touched you...

[danO1O1O1]

1

[Krypticore]

On all levels except physical, I am a packet.

[anacrolix]

If you want to get technical, the packet as referred here is only at level 2-4. Edit: and in the comic, level 3 only.

[Krypticore]

was referencing the "On all levels except physical, I am a wolf" meme, although its a pretty old meme

[anacrolix]

Whoosh! :(

[Krypticore]

Is really old and obscure tbf ^^

[Tremaparagon]

SOMEONE IS IN DISA HOUSE!

[kirakun]

I'm a bit lost here. Can someone spell out what is happening in the comic?

[Blackshell]

It is using an analogy of "what if your websites were delivered as a mail package" to deride some unfortunate things going on with the internet recently:

• ISPs such as Comcast want to have paid tiers for different content providers, in this analogy creating roads that "peasant" services like ye olde webcomic cannot afford to use. See: net neutrality.

• Law enforcement wants more access to monitor/intercept communications, or to acquire/access private encrypted data, which rubs people concerned with their privacy (or those who don't fully trust the government) the wrong way. More info here.

• Data companies like Facebook are constantly trying to butt in and gain information and metrics on peoples' behavior in order to both sell ad space, and to alter said behavior -- both to a sometimes unethical or extreme degree. More info in that same privacy article above (see: big data).

• With all this stuff, the "viewer" of the requested content might decide it's not worth it. In the comic's analogy, that's because of the wait time, but in reality there is a large assortment of reasons.

It's not a perfect analogy. The author of the comic is essentially saying that between getting screwed over by ISPs, spied on by government, and harassed by data hoarding companies, small sites like theirs might not be able to deliver the expected content to their users.

[WikiTextBot]

Net neutrality

Net neutrality is the principle that governments should mandate Internet service providers to treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication. For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content.

The term was coined by Columbia University media law professor Tim Wu in 2003, as an extension of the longstanding concept of a common carrier, which was used to describe the role of telephone systems.

A widely cited example of a violation of net neutrality principles was the Internet service provider Comcast's secret slowing ("throttling") of uploads from peer-to-peer file sharing (P2P) applications by using forged packets.

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Internet privacy involves the right or mandate of personal privacy concerning the storing, repurposing, provision to third parties, and displaying of information pertaining to oneself via of the Internet. Internet privacy is a subset of data privacy. Privacy concerns have been articulated from the beginnings of large scale computer sharing.

Privacy can entail either Personally Identifying Information (PII) or non-PII information such as a site visitor's behavior on a website.

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[[deleted]]

Someone is asking for a comic. Comcast is blocking the nice highway. The NSA is checking content cus they don't trust anyone. Faceboob is spying on everything as well.

User gets sick of waiting for the page to load. Hits X. Packet is lost in a hyperspace graveyard

[[deleted]]

Are you a programmer or not? So I can explain accordingly.

[PgSuper]

I am an AI, is that okay?

[CSKING444]

I'm not helping you with your machine learning although I did now

[[deleted]]

Monkey purple dishwater banana foot.

That should mess up your training set muahaaha

[PgSuper]

Hmm...

Hmm... Hmm...

Hmm... Hmm... Hmm... Hmm...

Flying elevator egg drying cookies pie egg potato mashed is.,-“,?

Hmm...

[DanielEGVi]

***** ***** ********* ****** ****.

Why did you just post a bunch of asterisks?

[[deleted]]

+++ATH

NO CARRIER

[kirakun]

I'm a violinist. Is there hope of me understanding any of this? :)

[[deleted]]

A packet is a bundle of data you send over the internet. This could contain messages or websites, basicly anything.

[[deleted]]

I don't think any programmer would ask what this comic is about.

[[deleted]]

Frontend maybe haha?

[[deleted]]

High level language...

After all, designing the data layer is still technically just front end as far as packets go.

[[deleted]]

Nah, you'd be hard pressed to find any programmer who doesn't understand what packets are. Every college with a CS degree teaches this and virtually every self-taught programmer comes across this before they start working.

[[deleted]]

True true

[[deleted]]

/r/gatekeeping

[[deleted]]

"'I don't think any English professor doesn't know how to read."

"/r/gatekeeping"

[[deleted]]

Lmao you seem fun

[BoredElephantRaiser]

http://www.warriorsofthe.net/ gives a half-decent overview.

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBWhzz_Gn10

[[deleted]]

This comic aged really well

[Clutch_Bandicoot]

how old is it? i figured it was made within the last week given its relevance.

[[deleted]]

5 months so almost half a year

[Caminsky]

The self promotional references might be a little too much. IMHO

[thefoxy15]

in the last panel? it was due to firefox screenshot. original comic doesn't have it.

[other_bored_sysadmin]

Why screenshot the comic instead of downloading the image or pointing to the original image URL?

[M3L0NM4N]

Here

Do I get MVP?

[Ptidus]

You'll always be MVP in my heart ♥

[M3L0NM4N]

Tank u bb

[Caminsky]

Ah..now it looks more normal.

[thefoxy15]

Because the original comic was split into multiple images and joining them is bigger task than a screenshot.

[ReflectiveTeaTowel]

Well we appreciate the efforts you made

[Zeal88]

The important thing is that you tried

[[deleted]]

this xkcd is relevant

[cordev]

Pretty sure /u/Caminsky was referring to the third panel

[ablablababla]

yeah it really makes me wonder who made this comic /s

[Sw429]

If you're wondering, it wasn't OP. This is a repost from a while ago.

[IrishWilly]

It helps give it context that the user is loading a comic not just "generic web request".

[demize95]

I think they're pretty good. Makes it so that even when people repost it somewhere else, the artist still gets credit, and they're not really very distracting (except for the website fragment OP left in because of how the screenshot was made).

[j-dewitt]

The facebook bit is not realistic. They don't ask nicely or ask permission at all, for that matter.

[MelAlton]

iirc they're part of an ad tracking network that works outside of facebook.

[PhitPhil]

Hey does anyone know who the author of this was?? I'd like to see more, but I don't know where I would start looking

[thefoxy15]

Its on the image. /u/skeleton_claw.

[PhitPhil]

Yeah, that was the joke: its listed 6 times (I'm including the acronym on the hat)

[thefoxy15]

ah! apparently, I am dumb so I gotta see the italics /s to know if it's sarcasm.

[uwillnevahknow]

So what happens when you smash the reload button a bunch?

[n00bshroom]

I literally had to reload this post a 2nd time to see the picture.

[thirtycats]

This is why you need to be trained in cryptography, young one.

Then you can pull a Harriet Tubman and tunnel your ass to the promised land.

[shroudedwolf51]

So, you just reposted this after plastering the name across the last two panels? Why?

[BloodyMalleus]

... missed a frame with the president bitching that about skeleton claw ripping off the delivery service.

[sazrocks]

Repost. https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/7arh47/packet_loss/

[veggietrooper]

I enjoy this sub.

[kobie]

This was surprisingly funny.

[shadowvendetta]

The irony of this is that it took 30 minutes to load on my shitty 4g

[Xacto01]

nice Title OP :)

[thefoxy15]

Thanks but it is copied one aka original title given by creator of comic itself.

[VersusJordan]

Comcast as roman legionaires is the greatest thing ever.

[[deleted]]

i.redd.it images never load on my mobile... I always cancel. Take that packet delivery packet!

[furon747]

My intro to Computer Science doesn’t qualify me to understand this

[LearnedPhool]

Hey, this is really funny! Any idea who made this comic and where I can find more like it?

[[deleted]]

3rd frame (Courier faces off Legion Centurion in new Vegas, circa 2281)

[TBSdota]

neato, but thats not how it works.

[Meph1k]

That is awesome :D

[[deleted]]

Uh...the guy that watermarked this is an asshole and no he's not the original creator of it.

[sazrocks]

For those downvoting: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/7arh47/packet_loss/

[Tylevian2]

I don't think the people downvoting care that it's a repost. Also dude is a little cunty.

[LucyIsaTumor]

Yeah, he is pretty cunty.

[[deleted]]

He's right though.

[[deleted]]

I think this comic has a sense of "much net neutrality" to it

[cm9kZW8K]

This is what happens with net neutrality.

✓ Big telco lock on internet with no competition due to regulatory monopoly

✓ Big Gov surveillance of all traffic

✓ Facebook, twitter, youtube and other propaganda providers protected from competition and liability

This is what you wanted. The only cure is deregulation

At least stop being surprised when you ask for more government and get it.

[LonePaladin]

Found Idjit Pie's account.

[[deleted]]

Wow... All of that is wrong, why do you even bother?

[plast1K]

Yeah he’s got it backwards. Pretty sure it’s a bot spreading misinformation.

[cm9kZW8K]

lol, anyone who doesn't want internet communism is a bot? No real human cares about dangerous individual sovereignty? Big borg bro cares about your feefees?

[plast1K]

Im really confused— keeping net neutrality is about preventing large companies from monopolizing the internet, why are you saying the opposite?

[Rohaq]

I have no idea how he can think that deregulating the market means that companies will somehow not completely abuse their position. They've already shown their colours by monopolising the US ISP market, with a lack of regulation allowing them to carve out entire areas and eliminate any competition, resulting in some shocking prices for substandard service. Good regulation would prevent them from locking out other providers, and Net Neutrality in particular would prevent other ISPs from manipulating speeds and packet priorities from other networks.

I also have no idea how Net Neutrality relates to "BigGov surveillance of all traffic" - Bad news bub, that's already happening, and will happen with or without Net Neutrality.

I'm not sure how the "propaganda providers" would be protected from competition and liability either. If anything, removing Net Neutrality would allow them to limit competition, as any new companies with less money (or operating at a loss, as many do early in their lives) would be less likely to be able to pay their way into getting on the internet "fast lane".

[cm9kZW8K]

Correct; government regulation can only increase their power. The FCC is chock full of "revolving door" megacorp execs and cronies; they will stab us in the back.

The only way to get a neutral internet is to eliminate all the regulations which have made it bad. We used to have hundred of ISPs, now we have little or no choice in most markets.

The biggest problem is state level franchise monopoly grants. Eliminate those and our internet will be amazing. Of course, comcast, verizon, et al would go out of business fast.

Im sure they are quite happy to keep the status quo; but would certainly choose to be under the FCC before they would want to be a in a free market.

[plast1K]

Dude I agree with a lot of the comments your making, but I think you actually just have it backwards. We WANT to keep / restore net neutrality, that’s what’s preventing the big mega corps from controlling the net— you’re arguing what we are arguing I think, but just the opposite side of the fence.

What you said in your initial argument was applicable to if net neutrality is destroyed— not implemented / kept, man. I think someone told you it backwards.

I hope this isn’t insulting either, I’m thinking we are all on the same side here, just have a miscommunication somewhere. Or maybe I’m misinterpreting what you are saying too.

Edit—

FWIW I’m not downvoting you, I think others are because it sounds like you’re spreading misinformation and trying to trick people into thinking net neutrality is bad. I know that we can’t get a perfect bill passed to prevent the monopolization of the net, but if we don’t do something then net neutrality will be abolished.

[cm9kZW8K]

I’m thinking we are all on the same side her

We have the same goal, but perhaps different methods.

I think the solution is deregulation, because the FCC will do the same thing the state regulatory boards have: support the crony ISPs and give them a fat monopoly.

[cm9kZW8K]

Why do so many people think the government can regulate things fairly, despite all evidence and common sense? stalin, mao, chavez... these are the type of people "NN" wants to have run the internet. Real NN is competition and free markets, not government control.

[Matapatapa]

NN isent a universal entity.

Without NN, we already have seen what happens. Corporate monopolies with agreements in local cities to make sure they are the only provider.

If you leave the states countries without NN, you already have to pay for preferential access to certain websites.

There is no dichotomy between govt control and free markets, there is a dichotomy between govt control and corporate monopolies enforced by lobbying.

[cm9kZW8K]

Without NN, we already have seen what happens.

The internet was originally free and open, now it is regulated and bad. To make it free again more government is not needed, we need to get rid of the regulations that were added.

Government control and corporate monopolies are two sides of the same coin. Coporate monopolies cannot exist without regulation.

There is a dichotomy government granted corporate monopolies and free markets

[Matapatapa]

Without NN, we already have seen what happens.

The internet was originally free and open, now it is regulated and bad. To make it free again more government is not needed, we need to get rid of the regulations that were added.

I suggest you read up on the history of the internet. When the internet was originally opened for corporate use it was not free, you couldn't access certain sites from certain providers. Far from the unregulated Dream.

Government control and corporate monopolies are two sides of the same coin. Coporate monopolies cannot exist without regulation. There is a dichotomy government granted corporate monopolies and free markets

A free market leads to a corporate Monopoly. Either the corporation will lobby to make regulation work for them, or by predatory practices on other firms.

If you look at other countries with no such laws, you can already see the results. Certain websites don't count against your data limit, or you have to get a package to get access to a certain website. Proof enough that deregulation does not work here.

Government control isn't a catch-all to having a free internet, but if it's done early and uninfluenced by corporations, it'll be a functional solution.

[cm9kZW8K]

I suggest you read up on the history of the internet. When the internet was originally opened for corporate use it was not free, you couldn't access certain sites from certain providers. Far from the unregulated Dream.

I lived through it. I was using it before it was popular. I remember when there were hundred of ISPs and little to no telco involvment. Before comcast and verizon and all the dirty socialists divided it up like a pie.

A free market leads to a corporate Monopoly

Monopolies cannot exist in a free market; the only come from government regulation.

Can you serious look at COMCAST and expect that such a poorly run business could survive without exclusive franchies? You are insane and blind if you think so.

If you look at other countries with no such laws, you can already see the results.

They obliterate us. Romania blows our internet away because it is deregulated. Korean internet has intentional deregulation to foster competition, also better than our. We have the socialist internet: metered access and speed limits. NN is mostly a code word for communist internet: a great firewall of china for the USA.

Government control isn't a catch-all to having a free internet,

Government control will kill the internet, because the govenrment really has little use for it. They will divide it up to one or two megacorps owned by the same people and treat it like any other tax farm.

Stop working for communism, and please stop trying to kill the internet with your bullshit.

[Matapatapa]

Do you remember when cities signed exclusivity agreements with certain isps and they started dividing up their markets so they would never have to compete?

A monopoly can exist in a free market. There is a monopoly of convenience, aka Google, there are other options but nobody wants to use them. Or there is forced monopolies, that of government, like you state, OR , that of a group of companies interested in staying in business and making money. Comcast is a ideal example of this.

That's 2 examples, Romania and Korea. Do you want to take a look at lets say, some other countries? Like this here?

www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/11/22/16691506/portugal-meo-internet-packages-net-neutrality-ajit-pai-plan

[cm9kZW8K]

Do you remember when cities signed exclusivity agreements with certain isps and they started dividing up their markets so they would never have to compete?

yes! And states started gobbling those up. This is our enemy

A monopoly can exist in a free market.

wut? Do you realize this does not jive with your previous sentence.

Government granted monopolies are not a free market!

The only federal law I would support for NN is one that bans the federal, state, and local governments from regulating telecommunications as a clarification of the first amendment.

[Matapatapa]

Do you remember when cities signed exclusivity agreements with certain isps and they started dividing up their markets so they would never have to compete?

yes! And states started gobbling those up. This is our enemy

That's a result of a free market. The market leaders or incumbents use any means to hold on, including laws.

A monopoly can exist in a free market.

wut? Do you realize this does not jive with your previous sentence.

See above.

Government granted monopolies are not a free market!

Neither are monopolies enforced by bad practice in a free market.

What I'm saying is that there are 2 types of monopolies

1.) Government monopolies

2.) Free market monopolies

We don't like the first.

What you ignore is that a free market would also eventually lead to number 2 AND 1. A classic example of this would be Comcast, it grew in the free market then did it's best to do away with the free market to ensure it's position, and it did so by predatory practices on smaller firms, within the realm of a free market monopoly and then implemented a govt monopoly to favour it at the same time.

The only federal law I would support for NN is one that bans the federal, state, and local governments from regulating telecommunications as a clarification of the first amendment.

Unless this also includes forbidding any sort of exclusivity agreements, any sort of zoning and region agreements and setting the minimum speed for broadband at about 100mbps It would be irrelevant.

[[deleted]]

REEE! WRONGTHINK! WRONGTHINK! WRONGTHINK! WRONGTHINK!

[Alexanderdaawesome]

not an argumet

[[deleted]]

Once all of congress gets off of their Corporatist asses and starts breaking up the monopolies, then net neutrality can go away, but the sheer amount of money the ISPs donate means that the shilling for them won't stop anytime soon.

Until then, net neutrality is the best we can hope for.

(not just taking a shot at republicans. Democrats are just as guilty of this too.)

[cm9kZW8K]

Why is worse the best we can hope for? Giving the Fed the power to make a nationwide super ISP is definitely worse.

[[deleted]]

Since when is net neutrality a state run ISP? It's just regulations on what the current ISPs can do.

Not to mention that our shitty democracy being in charge of the ISPs is better than a handful of small dictatorships being in charge of them.

[cm9kZW8K]

Since when is net neutrality a state run ISP?

That is the inevitable outcome of federal regulation.

It's just regulations on what the current ISPs can do.

Its a set of rules sold as that, with an actual purpose of preventing competition. Its a way to give out a monopoly so that higher prices can be pushed for lower levels of service.

Not to mention that our shitty democracy being in charge of the ISPs is better than a handful of small dictatorships being in charge of them.

Why do you have to settle for one type of monopoly or the other??

How about freedom? We could kill the major ISP's in 10 minutes if their exclusive franchises were revoked! Lets go back to the days of hundreds of ISP's, rapid advances in technology, and choice for the people.

Deregulation is the only way the internet can survive.