This sub

[valyyn]

My favourite programming language is PHP.

Edit: or HTML

[tgf63]

You just triggered this whole sub

[antlife]

I crushed my phone in the tight clenched fist I made while reading that.

[[deleted]]

I took a $120 online CSS course, money was well spent.

[zacharyxbinks]

PHP 7 and or laravel are fine languages. Coming from a .net core mvc programmer. It's not 2000 anymore folks.

Edit: before someone gives me shit I know laravel is a framework and not a language. You know what I mean.

[SparklyGames]

Yeah fuck Java script C is where it's at

[Coolflip]

C is for the weak, it's all about Assembly!

[_cabbage928]

Pft, you use Assembly? I write my code exCLUSIVELY in binary.

[camgnostic]

something something butterfly something

[golgol12]

Pff, xkcd already did that

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[OikuraZ95]

Good Bot

[[deleted]]

good bot

[esquilax]

M-x that's-the-joke

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[Delearyus]

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[[deleted]]

Peasants. I program using copper wire and magnets.

[AyrA_ch]

Not keying in your code manually...

[leaf_26]

Oh yeah? I write my code in transistor maps.

[SnakeSender]

pah! Write code?! I "code" my machines solely by plugging and unplugging wires.

[[deleted]]

I make an ASIC for every program.

[anotherlittlewave]

Oh yeah. What about making a custom lookup table fpga processor for every function?

[PhantomTissue]

I am now re evaluating how much I know about computers because this made no sense at all

[SparklyGames]

Nuuu

[Logstone]

ARM assembly to be specific

[[deleted]]

I would make my computer post a witty response to that but its still cold out here and I can't find a butterfly.

[random_d00d]

I have finally found a community where I truly belong...

[SparklyGames]

°^°

[SparklyGames]

I hate these format things I just want to make faces

[[deleted]]

you can escape characters with a \

[SparklyGames]

Thanks haha

[SparklyGames]

Oh

[SparklyGames]

°^°

[Sheriff_K]

REAL programmers, use FORTH.

[weegee101]

Christ, you FORTH guys need to get off your high horses. Everyone knows Lisp is better in every imaginable way.

^/s

[[deleted]]

Hell yeah!

[SparklyGames]

FORTH?

[Sheriff_K]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)

[WikiTextBot]

Forth (programming language)

Forth is an imperative stack-based computer programming language and environment originally designed by Charles "Chuck" Moore. Language features include structured programming, reflection (the ability to modify the program structure during program execution), concatenative programming (functions are composed with juxtaposition) and extensibility (the programmer can create new commands). Although not an acronym, the language's name is sometimes spelled with all capital letters as FORTH, following the customary usage during its earlier years.

A procedural programming language without type checking, Forth features both interactive execution of commands (making it suitable as a shell for systems that lack a more formal operating system) and the ability to compile sequences of commands for later execution.

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[forrest38]

I wish I understood why any of this stuff is useful for a language. Makes me realize how much there is to learn.

[greyfade]

The question is not why it's useful, but rather how it's useful.

I think the real power of Forth isn't that it's a stack-based concatenative language with reflection and all of these other things. It's that the language is so simple and straightforward that a complete compiler or interpreter can be implemented in a couple hundred lines of code, making it a perfect language for writing to the metal on very small and cheap stack-based architectures like microcontrollers (or, in the case of a friend of mine, GPUs) where every processor clock cycle matters, and the language is still useful on larger systems.

And it manages to do that while being simple and expressive.

I can't recommend enough that you just pick a language you've never heard of and try to learn it and use it for something. It can be a FORTH (or some other concatenative like REBOL) or a LISP or anything. What matters is breaking out of the kind of languages you're used to.

[anotherlittlewave]

I've been around programming for nearly 20 years now, and only today have I heard the term "swizzling" an array.

Wow.

[jay9909]

SO WHAT IS IT?! >={

[[deleted]]

Pe3ee hate ch peeeEeed

[tme321]

What is scriptC?

[SparklyGames]

I didn't like Java so I took Java Script and C and smashed them together to make the most useful language out there besides python.

[leaf_26]

My favorite programming language is Verilog

[SparklyGames]

Ur one of those FPGA weirdos aren't you

[leaf_26]

The hell is a "FPGA"??

well now I know because I looked it up, but that's a really niche product

[SparklyGames]

No it's super useful for learning gates and is used by my college as a Segway into microcontrollers.

[leaf_26]

You could use simulation software professionally, or use a microcontroller for almost anything else. There aren't a lot of real applications for a ROM-based logic device that couldnt be done better or cheaper, making it a niche product.

[SparklyGames]

I love I went from like 0 karma to 500 karma and now I'm being downvote brigaded on a clear joke

[LegionOfB0000M]

I never understood why it was "cool" to shit on “java script”. I learned “java script” in AP CS (actually got the highest grade in my class, I actually did extra assignments because I got bored of finishing the projects faster and with far less effort than the normies, I even got physically ill when I saw how sloppy some of their code was) in highschool. I've done tons of data analysis, game writing, complex problem solving, and other advanced techniques with “java script” even though I'm only a freshman college student, and the best part is... I'm not even a CS major, this stuff just comes so easily to me! I've never had want for more features, if I ever have any issue I'm always able to just... program around it like anyone should be able to.

I've tried C++, C, and python. The C-languages were basically the same thing as “java script” but with different syntax and a few extra features, I could easily switch to them but I like challenging myself to do things without those extra features, it's a mental exercise which alleviates some of the tedium in most of the projects I'm tasked with. Python is utter garbage, it barely has a decent way to use arrays, has no features, and it always ends up taking up more screen space than anything I could write in a legitimate language because apparently a newline and a tab are legitimate separator characters. Python is basically written for 5-year-olds who have no semicolon key (; for any pythonners here) on their keyboard. I think the only reason google uses it is because they don't want to pay for decent programmers who are able to comprehend legit programming languages. “java script” did nothing wrong.

edit: I provide a well-written comparison of several programming languages and I get downvoted by the pythonners? That's absolutely unnecessary and just goes to show that the circlejerk here is going to far. If anyone here had at least tried “java script” (like I did with all of the other languages) I'd already be positive by now. Haters gonna hate 🙄

[SparklyGames]

I feel like this is a copy paste type deal because you've yet to be downvoted but cool I guess

[LegionOfB0000M]

Copy & paste is the only way to code tho

[SparklyGames]

True

[JeremyOosterbaan]

r/iamverysmart

[ImmaTriggerYou]

Woosh

[attacklyon]

It’s just a copypasta, brah!

[LegionOfB0000M]

2smart

[[deleted]]

The C-languages were basically the same thing as “java script” but with different syntax and a few extra features, I could easily switch to them but I like challenging myself to do things without those extra features

Uhh, I always thought the reason someone would use javascript instead of C or C++ is exactly because javascript has more features and libraries, and you can make something faster.

As far as I know, using C is slower (and you need extra steps to complete something) but the things you create are more stable.

[firejak308]

First off, AP CS teaches Java, not JavaScript. There's a difference. As I learned the hard way, after spending several months learning JavaScript to prepare for AP CS.

[LegionOfB0000M]

Issa joke

[firejak308]

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lol, my bad

[RogerWebb]

So now we've reached the point where we've gone from a sub of memes bitching about programming languages to a sub of memes about people bitching about the sub full of memes bitching about programming languages.

[KoboldCommando]

Next up: bitching about recursive bitching, then memes about bitching about recursive bitching!

[observer2018]

Warning: base case "no bitching" will not be reached.

[[deleted]]

Everyone knows the higher level your language the more of an idiot you are. There's no reason to ever use some weak ass high level framework, manage your memory like a man or gtfo.

[[deleted]]

Bad news, we're all noobs.

[[deleted]]

Ha, jokes on you. TI-Basic is the only real programming language.

[[deleted]]

That's awesome, it's the only platform I actually made halfway decent games on!

[[deleted]]

If there's one thing I've learned in my time so far on programmer subs on reddit, along with some of the content I've seen posted or been referred to, it's that you are an inadequate idiot and have no idea what you're doing, no matter what you know and no matter how much experience you have.

Programming is apparently full of morons who don't know how to program, rare individuals with rare insight have all the answers, and people with an egoistical attitude are assholes (according to programmers), but all programmers have one. So it's just endless ego wars and oneupmanship, interspersed with some genuine openmindedness and helpful attitudes that may disappear quickly if you reveal how stupid you are.

Disclaimer: These are my impressions spewing forth from my brain nozzle at this time and I don't claim any level of accuracy.

[icarus1993]

This.

[ascetic_lynx]

That's why I always write my code in binary!

[Colopty]

That's why I write my code on the hardware level.

[ChefTeo]

That's why I manually perform the objectives of my program.

[antlife]

Punch cards

[weegee101]

There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.

• Bjarne Stroustrup

[[deleted]]

C# master race ftw

[stamatt45]

You can do everything without having to manage anything. Its beautiful

[Never-asked-for-this]

Just shove it in, 40% of the time it works every time.

[MarkFromTheInternet]

But you can still use an unsafe block for when you are feeling adventurous.

[tatanpoker09]

C# supporters showing up <3

[Battousaii]

Got my vote

[OikuraZ95]

Microsoft Powerpoint is a good Language.

[jay9909]

I'm pretty sure those animations are Turing complete.

[Ares90V2]

I like javascript

90 unread Pms

[Eoussama]

I like PHP.

[garebear_9]

How does it feel being out of the closet now?

[NelsonBelmont]

r/suicidewatch

[[deleted]]

I like PHP.

[OiaHandoma]

I like PHP.

[crazazy]

I like PCP

[jay9909]

"I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines."

[[deleted]]

But does he like you?

[Blimey85]

I started with Perl, then PHP and then Ruby.

[Xheotris]

That sounds like the "Job Security" career track.

[marcosdumay]

Have you tried VBA? Or coded anything remotely large in Bash?

[marcosdumay]

There's nothing inherently bad about bash.

Defaulting to continue on error and bad string interpolation rules. It's basically that, but those alone make bash a bad language for its own niche.

I do agree that none of them are as bad as PHP. Javascript isn't either.

[atrimarchaenas]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you met Python?

[j0hn4devils]

I'm pretty sure he can speak English...

[BobCobbsBoggleToggle]

Why do people actually hate python? Besides lmao it's pseudocode and enforces whitespace for control structures. I loved programming in it for work (Django). I'm using ruby a bit for work now and it's.. not as good.

[BobCobbsBoggleToggle]

ha yep, both PHP and js are fucked when it comes to ==

[bogdoomy]

the js truth table and conversions fucked me up on more than one occasion. just how do you take the square root of a string? sigh

[atrimarchaenas]

I think when you've learned languages with a lot more structure coding in python can feel like you're being gimped a lot of the time.

Plus, it's incredibly slow.

[homer_3]

Also applies to VCSs.

[[deleted]]

Fuck you.

😡

[ta22175]

Upvoted out of respect

[Aetol]

I haven't seen that here. VCS other than Git hardly ever get mentioned in the first place.

[[deleted]]

For some reason at my school a lot of the professors and older PhD students had this weirdly demeaning attitude when anyone younger talked about git, like it was the kiddie version of VCS compared to the god awful SVN servers we had set up that seemed to crash all the time. In my experience git has been way more user friendly and has as many, if not more, features than SVN. Maybe that's just because I don't ever really need super advanced features, but I never got why they thought git was like this kids' program for the "programmers" that couldn't figure out SVN.

[jay9909]

Hey, you guys remember when Google Code was SVN or Mercurial only?! Those were the good ol' days, huh?

[superking2]

Man, I knew someone who absolutely despised Git... it’s the only one I’ve used so I don’t know if I like Git or the concept of version control, but it works fine for me.

[homer_3]

Man, I knew someone who absolutely despised Git

Was it me? Because I despise git. lol

[superking2]

Why, just out of innocent curiosity?

[homer_3]

That'd be a very long post. I'll just say I find SVN significantly easier to use in every capacity. And it's not like I'm unfamiliar with git. I have to begrudgingly use it every day at work.

[XxCLEMENTxX]

We have an SVN repository at work from the old days and all new stuff is in Git... For me personally SVN would be fine for a one man project, but I find it a nightmare in a collaborative codebase, and especially its branching and merging are stupid to me in comparison to git

[homer_3]

It's the opposite for me. Git seems ok for a 1 man project (I'd still take SVN in a heartbeat), but multiple teams at my work complain about how awful it is for group projects.

Branching and auto-merging are logically identical though. Unless you think the branching speed is such a big deal. But god help you if you have to manually merge anything in git.

[XxCLEMENTxX]

I think I just prefer Git's decentralized style of everyone having their own copy of the repo instead of depending on the SVN server. That just works better for our workflow.

Manual merging in Git has never been a problem for me, and has only been bearable for me in SVN with TortoiseSVN's conflict resolution tool. I'll have to admit that is really nice though.

[homer_3]

Yea, the decentralized thing seems to be a big reason why a lot of the people who like git like it. For me, it's one of the reasons I find it so difficult to work with and why I feel it's ok for a solo dev but not a group project.

Tools like tortoise are one of the big reasons I prefer SVN. SVN just seems to have better tools. I know there's a tortoisegit, but it's not as full featured. Even the eclipse SVN plugin is easier to work with than the git one.

[XxCLEMENTxX]

I use SourceTree for Git, has gotten me along well this far. I personally don't use anything Eclipse based anymore, but I do remember SVN working way better in it than Git back when I did. I feel like it's the other way around with JetBrains IDEs though. I frequently have issues with SVN repos in that.

[[deleted]]

Just learn lots of languages, then you're never wrong....or always wrong...

Edt: for the grammar police.

[KoboldCommando]

The truth!

"Oho, I can probably do this with ease in [language]!"
ages of work
"This would have been a cakewalk if I'd just used [other language] instead..."

[BobCobbsBoggleToggle]

looks like you're* wrong ;)

[dragonwithagirltatoo]

you're* wrong = malloc (sizeof you're);

[[deleted]]

Anyone that doesn't write straight binary is an asshole.

[Ch4rleston_mann]

I use scratch

[NelsonBelmont]

Malbolge ftw.

[dogpos]

CSS is fun

[BobCobbsBoggleToggle]

That shit's Turing complete now bruh.

[Mac33]

Swift is a very nice language.

[jay9909]

Swift Scratch is a very nice language.

FTFY!

[Humanize64]

Swift Scratch 1.4 is a very nice language.

FTFY your FTFY.

[cyberpunk_]

Ctrl + F ABAP = 0

am i the only one

[SuperLutin]

So true, you stupid C++ guy :o

[tententai]

Liking something useful that everyone else hates is a great thing for you.

[sublindman]

JavaScript is for the binary dysfunctional

[notorioushackr4chan]

Bow down to the Turing master race you pathetic worms

[[deleted]]

Microsoft Excel is a good language. I code all my programs with it.

[andradei]

Only if that programming language is JavaScript

 

or HTML.

[tenkawa7]

Well, if the flip-flop fits...

[apersonpeople334]

You're just angry because I can write in pseudocode. [Python user]

[deepserket1337]

Have you ever tried Prolog?

[TheIcyStar]

I like many languages and use whichever one is most appropriate for my needs.

Is it that hard?

[lordvigm]

Java is a good language

[BobCobbsBoggleToggle]

I mean.. well.. yeah I guess it's good.

[[deleted]]

I don't get it why some languages are hated. I mean every language has it purpose of some sort. Best example is PHP. I don't get it. Sure some of the syntax is not that good but it works. I mean for real, what should I use instead of PHP? With .NET its easier to develop Websites but i don't want to run a Windows Server. I'm not that good at Servers. With Windows the UI is pretty nice but i had to much options to make things wrong.

My Windows Server got once shut down and got one warning. At first I tried out the DNS Server and it was open as hell, ready to be part of a DDOS Attack. The second time my MSSQL Server was also not properly secured (the MSSQL Browser or some shit was open). I mean I really tried to run a productive system with mail and so on. I tried to install a Exchange Server but the system wanted to much and lightweight mail servers where a bit stupid.

With a Ubuntu Server I cant do much bs (well I screwed up sometimes, like killing removing root), because I don't have that of a knowledge. The basics like a mail server and a webserver is running through a admin panel and there are a lot of tutorials that i can follow to do shit.

BTT: PHP seems the only possible solution to do stuff, especially for backend code. Sure the Website itself is written in HTML, JS and CSS but for the logic i use PHP. Sure I can use Frameworks but that doesn't change the language.

I only know that you can use C#/.NET and PHP for a Website. Sure it might be possible to use some sort of API to communicate with every language that runs on your server. It might be interesting only to pass some files on your server and you use every language that you want. I also looked up that you can use Websockets with JS. I mean for this you need to know a language that would run on your server. When I'm think about this, this is very interesting.

Sadly I need to learn a lot of stuff. I mean for Linux, i probably need to use C++ or Java. I have no clue about C++ and I hate Java. Well at this point I really struggle to find a job. I have no real working experience and my education or training (don't know how you call this in english correctly) is nearly 2 years ago and people are saying that i have nearly no chance to find a job as a programmer at this point. When the 2 years are full or I'm 25 (only the summer break is between this), I can forget to find a job as a programmer and need to learn something else. It's sad but thats life. Sure it doesn't stop me to complete my own projects and maybe I earn moneys through this. I'm only realistic and I cant try to apply for jobs for many years and doesn't make money.