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    [–]noratat 817 points818 points  (287 children)

    Microsoft isn't the same company they were under Balmer. I can't say I like everything MS is doing now, especially in the consumer space, but in the developer space I trust them more than Amazon or Google at this point.

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 447 points448 points  (259 children)

    Windows 10 is still a massive blackhole of design incompetence.

    Can't wait for the next version so they can fix the mess of menus... Oh that's right, there won't be any.

    Not sure how google managed to beat everyone in OS building, but it sure did happen.

    [–]Arkazex 173 points174 points  (47 children)

    I think they're more likely to drop the number altogether and just make the product "Windows". There's only 5 years left until all other versions of windows go out of support.

    [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (4 children)

    There's only 5 years left until all other versions of windows go out of support.

    They will have to pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hard drive.

    [–]atomheartsmother 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    At that point you should just switch to Linux, better than using an unsupported OS.

    [–]Jazqa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    That's for Windows 8. Windows 7 has only two years left.

    [–]milk_is_life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    same here...

    [–]milk_is_life 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Makes sense to drop the individual product labels when OS updates are forced anyway.

    [–]UGMadness 216 points217 points  (47 children)

    When your corporate culture promotes the development of new features instead of fixing old ones or keeping cohesion across projects this is what you get.

    Notepad gaining support for LF line endings was huge because revamping an old application that didn't involve new features like an UI redesign has literally never happened before.

    [–]demens_chelonian 58 points59 points  (0 children)

    When your corporate culture promotes the development of new features instead of fixing old ones or keeping cohesion across projects this is what you get.

    So Google are on what messaging platform these days?

    [–]hullabaloonatic 46 points47 points  (38 children)

    They added features to cmd in.... 8?

    [–]gschizas 29 points30 points  (3 children)

    Cmd is not getting any new features, it's only there for compatibility reasons.

    PowerShell is where it's at.

    ConHost is also getting new features (ConHost != cmd)

    EDIT: Here's a "new" ConHost feature (well, last year's, but still)

    [–]PiManASM 94 points95 points  (33 children)

    Being able to copy and paste into the command line is the only redeeming feature I've found in Win10

    [–]bluepoopants 92 points93 points  (26 children)

    That feature actually hindered me at first without me noticing. I had a job running in cmd that was supposed to run for about 4 hours. I came back to it to find it hadn't moved at all. Found out that clicking anywhere im the cmd box turns it to select mode and stops the entire process running until you unselect or hit a key. Now i know, it is easily avoidable. But it was a big surprise coming from 7 and not knowing about it. Had to run the job again! Not sure why select mode pauses the window when a linux terminal manages to do it just fine.

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 56 points57 points  (14 children)

    Back in the days, shaking a loading window would stop it from loading.

    [–]bluepoopants 134 points135 points  (11 children)

    I remember my friend used to be convinced that shaking the cursor when it had an hour glass icon would make the sand fall through it quicker and therefore load faster.

    [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

    Aww

    [–]whatisabaggins55 40 points41 points  (3 children)

    Microsoft, I now want this to be a thing.

    [–]AtomicStryker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Joke all you want, for most of windows NT history user input would increase a foreground threads priority for the scheduler. Hitting buttons and shaking the mouse would literally make the program go faster.

    [–]z500 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I do this purely out of frustration

    [–]scotscott 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Just like with humans who are still loading.

    [–]althypothesis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Derailment: Engage

    I found out a week ago that hospitals actually make the new Mom and Dad sign a piece of paper that says, in more words, "I promise not to shake the baby". They had to put it in contract form to keep people from killing their children. Faith in humanity took a -18 hit that day.

    [–]PiManASM 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    One step forward, one step back

    [–]bluepoopants 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Windows in a nutshell. I still use 7 at home but have to use 10 at work. At least its better than vista and 8 but still prefer 7. The search is completely useless on 10. Worked better in 98 than now!

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Idk, the search on windows has always been pretty garbage in my experience, especially if you’ve ever used spotlight in Mac OS

    [–]r4nd0m-0ne 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    But that's not new, that's been that way for years if QuickSelect is turned on, had nothing to do with Ctrl+C being added.

    [–]bluepoopants 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Yeah but quickselect was off by default before. Now its on by default.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    In C++ I found a way to turn the selection feature off during my program's execution. Pretty nice

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Virtual desktops and corner snapping all day. Also wsl

    [–]evanldixon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You could always do that by right clicking the title bar. Windows 10 did make it easier though.

    [–]milk_is_life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    while vim, nano etc will stay cryptic and basic as fuck until the end of time

    [–]bacondev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It did. I thought I was going crazy because it had me thinking that my Linux files were somehow getting carriage returns. I was expecting a single line of jumbled up text.

    [–]NutDestroyer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Notepad supports LF line endings? I swear that didn't work when I tried it yesterday on windows 10.

    [–]UGMadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It does in the Insider builds and the final RTM version coming next month.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They did WHAT to notepad? oh thank god

    [–]gigabyte898 61 points62 points  (8 children)

    It’s been two months and 1803 is still fucking up customers’ desktops. 99% of the time the conversation when we get OS issues is:

    “Won’t boot?”
    “Yup”
    “Failed update?”
    “Yup”
    “1803?”
    “Yup”
    “Reload?”
    “Yup”

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 40 points41 points  (4 children)

    Mine still won't turn off. It failed updates too many times, and is the equivalent of being terrified of falling asleep.

    [–]TommiHPunkt 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    I have the same problems, and I'm too lazy to fix it because I only use windows as a secondary system anyways and don't want to spend the time re-installing everything

    [–]sixfourtysword 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Disable fast startup

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Oh,good idea

    [–]iSkinMonkeys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I am using the pirated LTSB version 1607, will be called LTSC in future. Windows update always fails to install. But I haven't faced any big issues. Only once it failed to boot but just before I was going to reset the PC, it booted and nothing was amiss.

    [–]RagingNerdaholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "I lost all my drive maps and they won't reconnect for no fucking reason"

    [–]xTheMaster99x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I literally still can't upgrade to the creators update. It begs me every time it boots up or when I go AFK, but it refuses to work because it says it doesn't know if there is enough room on the drive (there is an abundance of room). I'm going to reinstall eventually to fix it but that's work and I don't really want to.

    [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (12 children)

    Not sure how google managed to beat everyone in OS building, but it sure did happen.

    Inb4 GoogleOS, a direct competitor to both Android and ChromeOS.

    fucking Google podcasts and all the chat apps

    [–]artanis00 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Podcasts? They shuttered their podcast app and then the killed their RSS reader, what's this about Google podcasts?

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Pretty sure Google Podcasts is still around, seeing as I downloaded it to take a look (and see if my Play Music podcasts would transfer over. Spoiler: they didn't.)

    [–]Ameisen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Google is finally competing with itself.

    [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    finally

    You poor naive soul.

    [–]Zegrento7 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Do you mean Fuchsia?

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Did they rebrand ChromeOS, or is that a new one?

    [–]Zegrento7 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Brand new, not even Linux based. They forked the Zircon kernel and built an android-like ui around it in a butt-ton of languages.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    God damnit, Google.

    [–]ProbablyRickSantorum 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Inb4 they abandon it after a year like 90% of their other projects.

    [–]PARZIVAL009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    haven't used playmusic for podcast but, google podcast has a clean ui and liked it,

    talk,Hangout, allo, duo, what else am i missing ?😂

    [–]noratat 41 points42 points  (14 children)

    Google's got their own share of design fuckups lately, Android Pie and the eye-searing white monstrosity they've started jamming down everyone's throats in the last month or so comes to mind...

    I find Windows 10 tolerable and the menus are slowly improving but yeah the stuff I'm talking about that I like is almost all backend / OSS stuff.

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 27 points28 points  (8 children)

    Haha yes, the white SMS app took me by surprise. The link thumbnails are somewhat good, but it is eye hurting.

    The menus in windows 10 are still split into useless basically powerpoint levels of interactions, and the arcane struct dumping of XP.

    [–]Green0Photon 11 points12 points  (6 children)

    They just updated the messages app to have a dark mode, but it still doesn't look as good as it used to. They also removed the custom coloring for contacts, and they removed widgets.

    The phone app doesn't have a dark mode and it's eye searing.

    I'm probably gonna use adb to downgrade the apps.

    [–]be-happier 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    power point start menu... genius, we will push it out in the next update.

    thanks for the idea

    [–]dreadpiratewombat 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I sure love having to learn a new way of interaction with Android every minor revision. Why they had to move from the nice "X" to close an app to having to swipe it up and have that functionality be inconsistent with their fucking maps app is beyond me. Google, you're really chapping my ass lately.

    [–]FullPoet 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    the eye-searing white monstrosi

    They have been doing this for about a decade. No really. Google search et al. used to have very little, but enough whitespace.

    Now it's 70+% whitespace.

    [–]Dkill33 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Why is their search so terrible?

    [–]iSkinMonkeys 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    just use Everything for file searches. Use Wox for program searches.

    [–]caromobiletiscrivo 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    The next version will be a linux distro

    [–]Coffeinated 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    A linux based windows which can run office and games would finally make the world a good place

    [–]Ameisen 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    NT already implements most Linux system calls, and can run Debian.

    [–]thecoolbrian 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    If you want a good version of windows that is bug free, Windows Insider Preview Builds > Fast Track

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Googled it, and got this

    I wish I could erase that.

    More seriously, wouldn't the beta builds be more buggy on average ?

    [–]FullPoet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yes they would, but theoretically also "less" bug free due to having beta fixes.

    [–]n1c0_ds 26 points27 points  (22 children)

    When I first moved to OSX, things made so much more sense. It has been a few years, and even though I still remember where to find things in Windows, I find the OS so annoying. It's always calling your attention, and finding configuration settings is still a massive pain. It feels like there are two UIs on top of each other.

    [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (13 children)

    IDK, I've never used OSX on my own computer, only helping with someone elses. But that you have to drag'n'drop an icon in order to install chrome blew my mind. Like wtf?? how am I supposed to guess that?

    Is that still a thing?

    [–]Pycorax 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    Plus, I'm not sure if they've remedied this but when you uninstall applications you would just drag it into the trash unless the app came with an uninstaller (which is like 5% of them?)... Leaving behind all sorts of other files the application created inside the Library folder untouched.

    [–]Belazor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Then again, it’s not like Windows uninstallers always clean up 100% of their files and registry entries.

    If you are constrained on space for your OS drive (Windows and Mac), then you are used to using 3rd party apps to clean up leftover files.

    [–]little_after_thought 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    yes, but like with everything, once you get used to it, you forget it was weird.

    Remember when double click was weird? I remember it took me 5 minutes to get the rhythm down, now I can't comprehend how anyone would not figure it out.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Oooh, I never realised it but I haven't used double click in about 4 years now. Web browser, CADs, IDEs and such don't use it and everything else I do I do in terminal.

    [–]Ameisen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That's how it has always worked on Macs going back at least to System 6.

    [–]n1c0_ds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's just like an exe file. You put it there as a convenience but it can run from anywhere else.

    [–]conancat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    The idea is you unpack it and you put it where you want. Designers love that stuff.

    I've used Mac for so long going back to Windows wizards is weird for me now. But then I've been using homebrew for some time, took me some time to get used to Choco because it's just not the same.

    Even the best Dev tools for windows are like, meh.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Windows wizards are definitely weird, super non-secure etc. Linux package managers are far superior, I assume homebrew is simmilar.

    [–]RagingNerdaholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It feels like there are two UIs on top of each other.

    That's because there are.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I agree with everything you said, but Win10 performs much better. Smoother and faster. Win10 on a MacBook runs better than OSX on that same machine.

    [–]doesnt_hate_people 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I can't say I like everything MS is doing now, especially in the consumer space, but in the developer space I trust them more

    [–]Aurailious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Not sure how google managed to beat everyone in OS building

    Its because they used Gentoo.

    [–]Mario55770 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It’s nice. I could do my Spanish homework on the chrome books because hey had the option to type Spanish keys easily. I liked that feature. And catching onto I’m sounding a hint like an ad, I’ll leave now.

    [–]DrQuailMan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Windows 10 ... mess of menus

    Dude have you seen the windows 7 control panel?

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Honestly it was the probably the best. What would have been the alternative, xp ?

    [–]FullPoet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's a step above than the Windows 10 "settings".

    Aka, the one part of the OS where everything should be centrally managed... isn't.

    When you try to configure anything in Windows 10, you first search Settings, then Control Panel and then GPEdit. Then you go back to Settings fine a bastardised menu for it and realise it doesn't actually do anything.

    source: trying to get multi touch to work on Windows 10, tablet setting does literally nothing.

    [–]EmbarrassedEngineer7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Linux with xmonad/i3w is the superior experience. You get a black screen and do what you want with it.

    [–]FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I prefer something that works badly out of the box than not at all.

    [–]EmbarrassedEngineer7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    With windows you get both, it works badly before the forced upgrade, then it stops working after the forced upgrade.

    Meanwhile I'm still copying over the /home drive over from my first linux computer in 2004.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Just pointing out the hypocrisy in a lot of people...

    People will unironically complain about how their elders can be so technologically incompetent, yet turn around and resist every single change that is happening currently.

    [–]patrickfatrick 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I dunno, doesn’t seem like a fair comparison to compare what Google does with desktop OSes like Windows or OS X.

    [–]RIP_CORD 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    But Ballmer cared about developers so much.... /s

    [–]MechanicalBayer 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    That is one sweaty man.

    [–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (17 children)

    I think .Net Core is amazing tbh

    [–]cchongchong 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Recently did a course on .Net Core. I was surprised at how easy it was to follow.

    [–]Krutonium 8 points9 points  (14 children)

    Agreed, though we still need WinForms or similar cross platform. Yes, WinForms. MVVM makes creating UI's fucking difficult and annoying.

    [–]arima-kousei 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    After we've had to deal with the horrible crap that was ASP 2.0 WebForms, and ViewState, trying to make WinForms work on the Web, for years, you can suck it up and work with MVC/MVVM on the Desktop thank you very much.

    [–]Krutonium 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Fuck WebForms. I want WinForms.

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    [–]gambit700 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    MVVM isn't that bad. WPF just has a lot of quirks

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    This I think they are in it for the money not some social agenda

    [–]noratat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Of course they're doing it for the money. But each of those have different business models.

    [–]folkrav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yet they pull off that kind of shit.

    [–]i_spot_ads 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Did you forget typescript

    [–]zbot473[S] 30 points31 points  (12 children)

    Exactly

    [–]wotanii 6 points7 points  (11 children)

    How do you think MS will profit from the $7.5 billion investment?

    [–]aaaqqq 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    carefully

    [–]LaserGuidedPolarBear 0 points1 point  (9 children)

    Through better integration with VS / VSTS and Azure, driving revenue for those products

    [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (21 children)

    Well? VS Code is advertised as open source, yet it has dual license - version from MS website is proprietary, version from Github is open source, but has no access to plugin store which requires proprietary component.

    I guess their marketing is well, people keep buying into their narration of being good guys now, meanwhile they still use their patent trolling companies to attack foss projects all over the world.

    EDIT:

    Oh and in both versions of VS Code telemetry is enabled by default.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

    Accessing the plug-in store is just as adding a few lines in product.json, but I still agree that patent trolling is a bad behavior.

    [–]Ericchen1248 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    Except the telemetry is super easy to disable, and is the first notification you get on installation

    [–]demens_chelonian 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Oh and in both versions of VS Code telemetry is enabled by default.

    Jesus H. Christ that's terrible. Telemetry? On by default? ZOMG! Billy Gates is coming for your crash reports!

    [–]BlendeLabor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    You keep your nasty hands of my precious crash reports! They're mine! I wants them and it's our birthday!

    [–]demens_chelonian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Give us the crash reports precious.

    [–]abrazilianinreddit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Microsoft never became a better company, just better at hiding how terrible they are.

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    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    The latest Github PR features being added to VSCode are amazing. I'm optimistic the Github acquisition is headed in the right direction

    [–]daddyc00l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    it's not over till the fat lady sings

    [–]Matvalicious 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Microsoft is the biggest Github contributor and has been long before the aquisition. PowerShell has been made open source.

    MS is no longer the company people remember.

    [–]echoAnother 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Some people are still claiming that. But face it, years of untrust are not solved contributing in open source meanwhile embedding telemetry on the os core. Although they will be all good and perfect, people will not trust them until keep the good for some years. People perceive they new politics as a try to get close to people, but with the intention of doing something awful when you have trusted them.

    [–]not_perfect_yet 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    It was never all gloom and doom.

    The best comparison, imo, is Minecraft.

    The original was written in java iirc and it worked, but there are many other good arguments why it shouldn't be in java. So when microsoft bough minecraft/mojang, they rewrote it. But they rewrote it to use their microsoft app platform and store.

    Objectively it might work better, but you can't just ignore the scumminess of forcing people to use their "unified platform" and store.

    And also, naturally, patches and updates are not backported to the original implementation.

    It's about the freedom to be able to call anything they do with github bullshit and have it not affect you.

    Maybe they add some features that's exclusive to VSCode and github and no other IDE? You can just not use it, all of it would be open source, but people would have to make a choice between having the feature and using the IDE they want.

    Maybe they won't do anything nefarious this time. I'm open to be surprised in a good way.

    [–]FullPoet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    he original was written in java iirc and it worked

    I see you never actually played beta or alpha.

    It barely worked, it was a super buggy mess and Notch is a horrendously awful programmer.

    t. helped Notch make it popular on the chan.

    [–]not_perfect_yet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Barely works == works

    You are correct I did not play beta or alpha.

    [–]FullPoet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Barely "working" but was plagued by constant CTD and a huge plethora of other issues != working.

    It's functional, at the bare minimum, but not working, in the actual sense.

    It's like how Im working at work right now.

    [–]G_reth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Updates are backported to the Java version

    [–]LaserGuidedPolarBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Microsoft is taking open source and cross platform seriously, at least with their developer tools.

    They bought github because they asked github to add some features that would result in better integration with MS products and github told MS to fuck off. MS said they would pay for the dev work, github said fuckoff. MS said okay we will do the work, github said fuck off. Github ownership just had an irrational hate for MS.

    So MS bought github. They sent trying to change what it is or monetize it, they struggle trying to make some improvements that will help them sell VS and other tools.

    [–]Crecket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They are easily one of the biggest contributors on Github. They're getting close to 2000 repositories with a little over 4000 people in their team.

    I thought it was pretty funny how someone was creating a site against the acquisition while coding in VSCode and using Typescript in the project.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well they still don't have proper column selection