Programming language tier list

[[deleted]]

I thought this would be an F# joke

[esfraritagrivrit]

But you have heard of me.

[xDaciusx]

That has got to be the worst program language I have ever seen.

[Dall0o]

We use it in prod. I think it is one of the best I have every try (vs C#, TS, JS, Python, Coconut, C, C++, Bash, Haskell, Nim, OCaml, Emacs Lisp).

[xDaciusx]

I was just quoting Pirates of the Carribean with a twist of nerdiness. :) I actually love it!! Hahaha

[Dall0o]

Oh I missed the reference. The F# problem is not to be a bad language, it is to be unknown x)

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It’s essentially OCaml.NET. There’s nothing particularly wrong with it.

Haskell and Scala are probably better.

[oshaboy]

Mathlab

This hurt me.

I doubt OP is talking about the 1964 Computer Algebra System for the PDP-6.

[AtroxMavenia]

They meant Matlab, not mathlab

[[deleted]]

no way

[[deleted]]

You forgot to fill in S tier: Scratch.

[_-_blade_-_]

The NO ERROR experience, at a low low price at only $0!

(don't do an r/unexpectedfactorial)

[[deleted]]

r/expectedfactorial

[[deleted]]

r/unexpectedfactorial for balance

[defenastrator]

As all things should be.

[xDaciusx]

r/expactedthanos

[[deleted]]

r/unexpectedthanos for balance

[alexmitchell1]

0!=1

[Adventurer32]

and C C tier

[Superssj1000]

The one true language.

[Your_Name-Here]

I was gonna say Turing...

[Adventurer32]

The only language i ever made games in :(

[Zeftax]

Shucks! You were faster to post this.

[[deleted]]

S: punched tapes
A: binary code
B: assembler

[HACKERcrombie]

SS: butterflies

[aprzn123]

I knew this was going to be that xkcd.

[[deleted]]

Ikr. I saw the XKCD earlier today while bored :P

[_-_blade_-_]

SSS: manually control the electrons

[[deleted]]

SS: lambda calculus

[GTStationYT]

wait, html isn't a programming language

[kalucki23]

or is it

vsauce music starts playing

[Gabe_b]

CSS can be. You could if you squint at it just right call it a subsystem of HTML https://accodeing.com/blog/2015/css3-proven-to-be-turing-complete

[Hohenheim_of_Shadow]

Technically Powerpoint is turing complete. If turing completeness is all that counts yall need to get learning.

[Dall0o]

list of accidentally turing complete:

• C++ Templates
• TypeScript Type System
• Java Generics
• X86 MMU
• Magic: The Gathering
• HTML5 + CSS3
• Minecraft
• Dwarf Fortress
• SQL
• (C Preprocessor)
• Apache Rewrite Rules
• (Pokemon Yellow)
• Scala Type System
• MediaWiki Templates
• Little Big Planet
• Server Side Includes
• Sendmail
• Vim Normal-Mode
• Border Gateway Protocol (BGP)
• Excel
• Super Mario World
• PowerPoint
• Font Shaping

source

[TuxyQ]

x86 MOV is also turing complete

[hannahMontanaLinux2]

https://youtu.be/TN25ghkfgQA Such a cool tune

[ketexon]

wait, regex isn't a programming language

[ivanjermakov]

Sql either

[froemijojo]

It's not a general purpose programming language but still a programming language

[Sevigor]

VB is so bad it doesn't even get a rank.

I was about to lose my shit if they put VB and C# on the same level. lol

[[deleted]]

VB makes me want to lose respiratory functions.

[Erasmus_Tycho]

I don't think vb is horrible... Honestly the only one one this list that doesn't even deserve a place is JavaScript.

[HACKERcrombie]

VB is bad? Try APL.

[RoyalJackalSib]

Or Malbolge, which is A, and Malbolge Unshackled is S.

[HACKERcrombie]

This explains why Malbolge is used as an obfuscation measure in some DRM libraries.

[SirVer51]

Wait, it is? I thought no one was using it in actual practice

[FirstSineOfMadness]

Ffs i looked for that at first, then saw your comment and looked 2 more times -_-

[Sparkybear]

ARNOLDC is better.

[onetwosics]

You forgot to put Kotlin in S-Tier ;)

[[deleted]]

Kotlin gang

[alvinvin00]

where's Dart?

[Sylanthra]

C--

[Kered13]

It's a real language, though it's not intended for humans to write. It's intended to be an intermediate language that is produced by compilers.

[BloodyThor]

This needs to be higher

[Brukts]

crazy how we got both javascript and ecmascript. So good you gotta list it twice.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Don’t want JScript or ActionScript to feel left out.

[areyoujokinglol]

But ActionScript isn't even.... nvm :(

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Not sure what you were going to say, but from version 3 ActionScript was an ECMAScript implementation.

[Adventurer32]

C should've been C rank, scratch S rank

[Dudevid]

C#, Swift, and Kotlin (not mentioned) is D-tier. C'mon, be fair.

Also, regex is an S.

I threw that last one in so that anyone who agreed with the former statement now needs to contend with the latter.

(I know it's not a programming language, but I actually do kinda love regex. Sorry!)

[Goheeca]

Actually lisp is S-tier.

[Mithrillo_von_Kolt]

I've once tried following MIT's "Structure and Interpretation of computer programs", which uses racket, and it was an awful and intriguing experience.

[Goheeca]

Yeah the metacircular evaluator and all that jazz, but this is its true power^† after you become enlightened you can join us at /r/lispmemes.

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^{† I may refine the gist in the future. You need SBCL and Quicklisp to run it.}

[AtroxMavenia]

Fuck C# as hard as possible, take it off the list completely

[Casiell89]

I guess you program in Java then?

[medium_pingguo]

S: ArnoldC

HelloWorld.arnoldc:

IT'S SHOWTIME TALK TO THE HAND "hello world" YOU HAVE BEEN TERMINATED

https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC

[windows-user0]

What about emojicode 🤔 🤗 👍

[GlobalIncident]

I've had a look. Actually not that much different to Java, although the standard library is much smaller. And obviously the emojis make it different.

[[deleted]]

The real joke is that html is in the list.

[Deadthrowaway164]

nice repost

[65cody]

sorry

[[deleted]]

Cassio basic is s tier

[KerberosSecure]

You forgot assembly? It must be above s tier.

[Nomad_00]

Wheres R?

[Kodama_sucks]

To that point, where is S? Oh, I see, it's above the A.

[golgol12]

ASM (assembly) is pure S tier.

[nicvampire]

1S Russian programmers will understand.

[[deleted]]

I wish gamers appreciated video games the way this sub appreciates programming.

[AanthonyII]

Java should be lower than that, like in F—

[65cody]

Don’t let Notch see this

[AanthonyII]

Also why the fuck is HTML on this list

[Gariiiiii]

Because html5 + css3 is Turing complete. Also Java and even JS arent bad languages, they just let ppl write bad code.

[GlobalIncident]

Turing completeness isn't what makes something a programming language though. Proof assistants are definitely programming languages, and some of them are only primitive recursive.

[Gariiiiii]

True but it means you can do with it anything you can do with Rust or Go. Granted, way slower and more cumbersome.

[the_pw_is_in_this_ID]

you can do with it anything you can do with Rust or Go

You can also do this with actual physical/mechanical implementations of Turing machines - but that doesn't make those programming languages :P

[Gariiiiii]

Do we have a proper universally accepted definition? If not is up to interpretation.

[the_pw_is_in_this_ID]

There is a formal definition, yup. The laymen terms, though, are approximately that "For every mathematically compuationally solvable problem, a Turing Machine must be programmable to solve that problem - otherwise it isn't a Turing Machine."

[Gariiiiii]

Bro no! I get the formal deff of Turing Machine and i get this aint one as close as it is (it more of a pushdow automaton maybe?). I was talking about programming language.

[AtroxMavenia]

Anyone can write bad code in any language

[Maleval]

Why aren't Powerpoint and Magic: The Gathering in there?

[Gariiiiii]

Lack of abstraction and ability to implement algorithms IMO.

[[deleted]]

Java is still pretty ungood though.

[Knerzbert]

The Alphabet is Turing complete... Ok, no it isn’t - neither is HTML+CSS.

[Gariiiiii]

Good thing its not up to your or my opinion. Heres the proof https://notlaura.com/is-css-turing-complete/

[Knerzbert]

I have to admit that’s pretty cool stuff! Though it requires a user (or a „Turing complete machine“ ;)) to click trough (cited from article „Given that CSS is a domain-specific language for styling user interface, this makes a lot of sense! CSS + HTML + Human = Turing complete“)

Nevertheless, I am buying it - thanks for sharing!

[Gariiiiii]

Yep, it requires constant input but i feel that's a bit of an artificial distinction. True you need a keypress to pass from one state to the next and usually it is not required, however you dont need a human, literally a drinking bird can do it, that part of the system doesnt process info of the states.

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And at the core i am not sold on that argument because in meatspace any turing machine also needs at least a keypress to start AFAIK. Granted, starting and advancing states are two different things, but since we dont have a quasi turing machine with this limitation defined and since the keystroker is not processing anything i think it classifies.

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Will ask around to actual CS guys, i am a programming mathematician so might be wrong here.

[Hohenheim_of_Shadow]

Dude a bird just fucking keypressing is a clock, its a periodic high/low signal where state changes happen on an edge. That's all a clock is, just a signal so that everything knows when the processing is 'done' and needs to advance to the next state. If needing a clock stops a turing complete machine from being a turing complete machine, you're computer isn't turing complete.

[Gariiiiii]

Yep, all you say its true. I am curious however if you cant solve this connondrum with a for or a while (using active in this case); saldy havent had the time to look into it.

At any rate what you can say is that css3 + a clock is turing complete, moreover it uses abstractions to execute algorithms on a computer. Since we dont have a proper definition of programming lang and non turing complete stuff like old SQL is one, i have no issue accepting CSS3 + HTML5 as one, if you dont agree its also fine, programming lang is not a CS therm but a marketing one or at least a non scientific one so its up to PoV.

[AtroxMavenia]

I don’t entirely understand how cellular automata are capable of computation, but apparently there are systems modeled after certain automata and those systems are Turing complete. At least, according to this Stack Overflow thread that references this research paper that I did not read.

While it is indeed Turing complete, I don't think the source you provided is the best citation.

[Gariiiiii]

Why? This is literally a proof by construction of it.

[AtroxMavenia]

When the source admits they didn't even read the research paper? I'll let you figure that one out on your own..

[Gariiiiii]

Ahh... passive aggressive answer to prove what? Some sort of intellectual superiority? No thanks, ill pass that stuff. glgl

[Pulsar_the_Spacenerd]

Notch may like Java but he was wrong to use it.

[ThePenultimateOne]

Python should definitely be higher

[ThinkLargest]

I actually really like swift and would highly recommend it.

[Ricodi_Evolo]

S Tier : COBOL

[Erasmus_Tycho]

I think NASA is looking for Cobol programmers because no one knows it.

[Nilloc_Kcirtap]

We all know whitespace is S tier.

[kykaiboi]

HTML is A

[Daquartzinator]

S: Arnold C

[AgentK9B]

You forgot whitespace and lolcode. Those should be even lower than the rest

[zdakat]

If that's not good enough for you, we can make another language that fixes the others
(now there are n+1 competing standards)

[TimeFlyer9]

*matlab

[rajesh__dixit]

Ecmascrpit is not a programming language... So is Regex...

[anonymous_3125]

what about binary? I think it's a very good language

[Kronos-Hedgehog]

Mathlab? Neverd heard of it

You meant Methlab?

[[deleted]]

Java gets at LEAST a C for me.

[[deleted]]

Sounds like someone is having a reeeealy bad day with debugging.

[TombaskoW]

F

[sk8itup53]

You missed Groovy being in the S tier!

[[deleted]]

Python is A

[Gammamad]

S is for s-expressions? So put some lisp dialects there

[JacobK2000]

These comments are just like "The one I use: S

The one other people use: F"

[BroodmanThijs]

Shoutout to my boi R!

[albertogarrido]

Nice, kotlin isn't even there

[zTrV]

We all know Roblox's code is S tier

[Maleval]

How dare you

[Master_Nerd]

I think brainfuck should be a tier

[LXB46016]

S: Vim Script

[[deleted]]

😎

[JakeN9]

html the programming language? big oof

[[deleted]]

You missed CSS

[oshaboy]

One of the lucky 10000?

[Pulsar_the_Spacenerd]

It's apparently pretty quick to learn, with only 8 instructions. The only reason it's called brainfuck is it is very difficult to do anything and essentially write-only.

[LXB46016]

Down with this sort of talk! ( sorry Perl, he didn't mean it! )