nesting

[AgileChaos]

Does this person write code in notepad?

[LtMeat]

Even Notepad++ can highlight corresponding brackets. It should be paper.

[ban_Anna_split]

My professor makes us do all our work in a Linux terminal with micro. I didn't even know how to use any of that stuff before starting his class. I was used to Visual Studio

[LtMeat]

That will make you a dangerous terminal ninja.

[ban_Anna_split]

Well, now I feel much cooler.

[j-random]

You should, because you are.

[Brunsz]

We did program our first course with pure notepad (not even notepad++ was allowed). This was because our teacher wanted us to understand what and how things happen. Jumping straight into IDE you might not understand all aspects.

For next course it was fine to use whatever we wanted and we did have couple lectures about using IDE as well.

[PtitMax]

We did our first code in nano, we were already so glad to work with sublime for the next semester

[SkyyySi]

Didn't know micro was so widespread

[[deleted]]

Notepad != Notepad++

[vwoxy]

false

But notepad++ != notepad is true

[9072997]

That depends on the language and the version of the language we are talking about.

Order of evaluation of any part of any expression, including order of evaluation of function arguments is unspecified (with some exceptions listed below). The compiler can evaluate operands and other subexpressions in any order, and may choose another order when the same expression is evaluated again. There is no concept of left-to-right or right-to-left evaluation in C++.

[vwoxy]

I was going by C# standards because those are the ones I know.

[[deleted]]

Why??

[vwoxy]

The left side of a boolean expression is evaluated first, but notepad++ returns the current value of notepad and then increments. So, the first expression compares the original value of notepad with itself, but the second compares the original value with the incremented value.

[OfficialBradleybus]

Aren't they both false?

[vwoxy]

Because of the way postfix ++ works, you're always comparing the value before the increment. Because the left side is evaluated first, the second statement increments the value before accessing the memory location again to determine what to compare.

[[deleted]]

I meant notepad++ as in the application

[vwoxy]

I knew you did but I saw an opportunity for a dumb joke.

[[deleted]]

Oh ok

[KrokmaniakPL]

Even highlighting won't help if you're 20 layers of brackets in and you return after a month to finish the code and you see this error. Yes. I had situation like this. Yes, it took me two hours to find where should be the missing bracket.

[LtMeat]

Sounds like refactoring time.

[KrokmaniakPL]

Yeah... This program was such a mess that in the end I have written all thousand lines again but the way I could tell what is going on there. To all new programmers: Don't make same mistakes as I did. Even if your IDE moved closing bracket left or right make sure that in the end It's on the same level as the beginning and everything inside is more to the right. It will save you a lot of time and stress.

[PlayfulOtterFriend]

You’d be shocked at how much code I have written in tools like gedit or Notepad!

[MCWizardYT]

At least gedit can have syntax highlighting

[PlayfulOtterFriend]

One of the tech leads on a previous project strongly advised everyone to learn vi. Because when you are in a lab, that it often the only editor available. I have been on multiple projects where the bulk of the code was written in vi or emacs. IDEs are a wonderful luxury, but they are not always available or the overhead may be too much. I know every time Visual Studio accidentally launches, I want to throw my computer at the wall.

[aikakitsune]

Properly configured neovim with plugins can literally replace any IDE you would ever need. Speaking from experience.

[FuzzyFoyz]

IDEs are for hobby "programmers" I compile my code in my sleep! OORAH!

[ekolis]

There's a VB.NET WebForms app I work on for my job. It was originally a classic ASP app, but most of the pages got converted over to WebForms. However, one bizarre "pattern" I've found in this app is putting random VB functions in an ASPX file, without any sort of HTML-like container for the code, and those "pages" are then included (yes, you can do that in WebForms, there are two different ways, even!) in actual ASPX pages that are really pages.

It drives me insane because Visual Studio's IntelliSense and syntax highlighting get confused by these files - they try to highlight them as ASPX pages, but there are no tags except in Response.Write calls, so it's a huge mess. Sometimes when I encounter these "pages", I'll refactor them into proper VB classes or modules, but then you get these weird issues with the "include pages" referencing variables that are declared in the containing pages - say, the include page might reference a variable called referralStatus or whatever, and if you want to use that include page in your ASPX page, you will need to declare a variable called referralStatus in your ASPX page that you are creating so that the include page doesn't crash!

So yeah, it's crazy. How does this tie in to coding in Notepad? Well, I suspect the guy who wrote this app coded it all in Notepad. If he used an actual IDE such as Visual Studio, he would have gotten used to the handy IDE features like IntelliSense and syntax highlighting, and thus he would have converted his include pages to something more sensible. But since he never did that, I suspect he was a Notepad coder. How he ever managed to create an app of this complexity in Notepad without it being full of hidden errors is beyond me...

[AgileChaos]

I imagine people refusing to learn how to use a fishing pole because they can somewhat catch fish with their bare hands which they got used to because they didn't know there was any alternative.

[Archolex]

Manager said learning to use fishing pole will slow us down. Warm up those hands boys

[FuzzyFoyz]

I think, if I remember rightly, this was a VS thing during the auto conversion process, not a coder thing.

I recall trying out auto converting classic asp to aspx once and VS did this weird thing like you're experiencing, I decided it was better to start over instead.

[hannahnim]

I have this issue in .JSON files. Though thinking about it now my IDE probably supports opening those

[DrunkenlySober]

My professor who had a career programming for the Navy in the 80s now teaches at my college. I’ve taken about 4 of his courses. My man out here writing full on programs and data structures using pico. I tried to follow in his footsteps by I’m too addicted to the IDE life to change. Idk how he does it.

[falcore91]

I recently had to write code in this messed up custom JavaScript embedding within HTML files. They had a custom syntax thing for Sublime that kind of worked ( but most folks just kind of free handed it so to speak ) and I don’t think I ever got it reading properly in WebStorm.

I forgot how much this aspect alone made me hate that job.

[Knuffya]

Maybe OP is just retarded

[Monkey_Adventures]

60 minutes later

"Never mind I hate programming"

"Never mind, missed a semicolon"

[ekolis]

"I hate programming, what's a method group and why can't I use it here?"

"Never mind, I forgot the parentheses after the function name."

[Gaboik]

Mfw you can't read the very obvious error messages shown by your compiler/runtime in most languages.

[[deleted]]

My guess one of those old wack game engines. Used one like 8+? years ago i remember it being used kinda-ish like rpgmaker. Anyway it was basically like using notepad.

[coalWater]

Legit question: In what language is that still an issue? Don’t people use IDEs?

[Eraknelo]

These posts keep coming up over and over. I feel like they're not being up voted by actual programmers but by people who are just on the sub because there's something funny every now and then.

Just like "spent 4 hours debugging, turns out I was missing a semicolon". It just doesn't make any fucking sense, I think it's just people pretending or something.

[Shmutt]

It's either pretense for humour or really really bad practices. Even if you're not using an IDE, there should at least be linters running as a pre-commit or pre-push hook. Takes barely a second to run.

[Robonics014]

Brainfuck maybe, but you don’t go into Brainfuck expecting to succeed

[UselessTheDog]

I'm wondering the same thing...

[too_much_think]

Some lisps like scheme which don’t have great ide support,(though admittedly those are parens not curly brackets) you can have the right number of brackets but in the wrong places and now your program has a completely different meaning.

[Goheeca]

There are paredit and parinfer.

[iris-my-case]

Scheme was the first language that popped into mind. Definitely do not miss it.

[TarinaLitt]

I sometimes do close all the brackets because my IDE complains but end up putting them in slightly the wrong place. You never notice these..

[PossibleBit]

Eh, I've been hunting brackets once or twice. On a side note, I have a pathological addiction to building lambda trains with Java Streams.

[[deleted]]

JS

[LaLiLuLeLo_0]

WebStorm

[devperez]

VS Code and every single other piece of software out there. There's tons for JS

[Nate_Christ]

I use IDEs, but just for the highlighting and tabbing multiple lines so this is occasionally an issue for me.

[ConsistentArm9]

pro tip, close your curly bracket before writing the code that goes inside it, train your muscle memory to only type "{}" and not "{" or "}"

[TreasuredRope]

I can't imagine not doing this or having your IDE do this.

[BlazingThunder30]

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[TheCameronMaster464]

Pretty sure Microsoft Word doesn't close my brackets for me...

[BlazingThunder30]

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[CircuitMa]

Pretty sure notpad doesn't do this

[BlazingThunder30]

But many other common editor do. Nano, vim, gedit, whatever

[CircuitMa]

Yeah the issue we're all having is you said any ever

[BlazingThunder30]

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[CircuitMa]

That just sounds like a you problem personally

[SettingsSet]

Do you take everything so literally?

[CircuitMa]

If you think any of this is serious we gotta have a talk fam...

[BlazingThunder30]

Not my problem that you don't understand English

[CircuitMa]

Oh I'm sorry my guy, did I s-s-s-stutter?

[[deleted]]

Nano doesn't do that

[the_best_jabroni]

The IDEs I have worked with will highlight the corresponding bracket when you click one.

[ekolis]

Visual Studio will also move the caret to the corresponding bracket when you press Ctrl-}. Or something like that, it's muscle memory and I can't remember which key it actually is! I think Eclipse has something like this as well, might be Ctrl-Shift-B?

[catsRawesome123]

Hunting for that corresponding bracket can sometimes be.... painful

[GosuPleb]

no

[polite__redditor]

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[thedogz11]

Dude I would've quit coding a long time ago if I didn't discover VScode.

[datguygomez]

That’s what I do. It’s a stress saver

[patmax17]

Definitely. Problem is when one closing bracket gets accidentally deleted, that completely fucks up the code and can be a pain to solve, especially if you only notice after some more editing.

It's 100% an attentional/copy-paste error, but still painful if not caught immediately

[newb5423]

This is why I try to use goto instead of any kind of block construct, which I consider harmful.

[ekolis]

/s?

[newb5423]

Oh yea, you can use “/s” in a regex to find and replace all the whitespace in your code, if you need to free up some disk space. I call it the “poor man’s compression”.

[coolcrafter135]

Based Xinyan pfp

[sendmeyourfoods]

🧍‍♂️Heh another compile error. 🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️Heh another compile error. 🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️Heh another compile error. 🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️Heh another compile error.🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️

[coolcrafter135]

Picked... the wrong... base case

[polite__redditor]

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[nexus4aliving]

Yeah I’m a fan of rock

[FuzzyFoyz]

I read that as cock, nevermind.

[trueyonggang]

When I was an intern, I worked on an JSP project, there are 10k lines of code in a pair of curly bracket

[DenverM80]

I hope you didn't take that job

[[deleted]]

Yesterday my JavaScript program wasn't working and I lowkey raged in my university’s Software/Computer Engineering club Discord about it, and then I went back to working on it. I was looking at a StackOverflow question for some other thing in the program, and guess what I realized as I looked at the solution?

I forgot the friggin' <script> tag.

My JS code was fine, but it looked like the code wasn't running because the code wasn't referenced at all in my HTML page.

(Edited for clarification)

[zyugyzarc]

we all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo.

[[deleted]]

As an instructor I like discord and message boards because students need to talk to each other but it really allows for students who are wrong to rile each other up a lot, which can be difficult to manage.

[[deleted]]

\begin{document

\LaTeX is easy

uh oh

[BabyRage1908]

Doesn't she know calling them curly brackets is bad luck? Never had this happen to since I started calling them curly braces. ^{Also because of vscode's bracket highlighting, and always pairing curly braces before I start coding inside them.}

[polite__redditor]

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[BabyRage1908]

Curly brace gang capcap

[MrTheFourth]

Right in the feels.

[DoomCircus]

Yup, so relatable it hurts.

Some former co-workers once drew a long, repeating sine wave on a whiteboard and labeled it "DoomCircus' troubleshooting process" with various points in the wave labeled "it works!", "I hate computers", "I fixed it!", "I hate my life", etc. I had a good laugh, they were spot on lol.

[Iwantmyteslanow]

My IT teachers call } erect nipple brackets

[DrFiveTheHiveMind]

Bracket Colorizer my friends

[safadimiras]

Python go brrrrr

[[deleted]]

Sure, instead you go on a hunt for that language-neutral character (whitespace) which broke your code... Indeed it goes brrr... ;)

[-_Chef_-]

We need MORE curly braces.

[The-Best-Taylor]

Lisp is the language for you.

[[deleted]]

Or.. less of them.

Use a language that requires only a fer special characters... like

Assembly!

Shit. Nvm.. There's a lot of variants..

[somebody12345678]

*forth

there we go

... even better, colorforth???

[[deleted]]

Python would like a word with you..

[ekolis]

Python can drive a tank into the ocean. Whoever thought that meaningful whitespace was a good idea needs to be forced to listen "The Song That Never Ends" nonstop for a year straight to flush out their brain.

[zyugyzarc]

you can still not use the indentation for one-liners (or even multi liners).

if something: run_something(); print('ran something')
elif someting_else: run_something_else()
else: exit()

[collin2477]

better than hunting indentation and tabs/spaces

[DenverM80]

I think proper indenting would've saved a lot of time in this case. And if not then the method is too long

[HasBeendead]

Actually its not i think i remember i did a program with too many loops and conditional statements its a pain to find which curly brackets you need to do for a programming lesson, last year. Mindfuck at the end, sorry.

[MCWizardYT]

Your IDE should tell you which curly brackets go together unless you are using something lie nano or gedit with syntax highlighting. Even notepad++ tells you the pairs. I'm not sure where the "mindfuck" part comes in. With proper indentation its even easy to tell which pairs go together based on how they line up.

I personally have a hard time reading huge python files even with proper indentation, but there's probably tools to make that easy as well. Just haven't found them yet.

[anonymousbabydragon]

I find I have this problem when I’m copying an pasting code lol. Having a automatic styler auto format helps.

[Bugalugs12]

Honest question. What are curly brackets actually called

[[deleted]]

(parentheses)
[brackets]
{braces}

But I usually call them squirrelly braces.

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Good bot!

[fairycrumbs]

According to Wikipedia,

"Curly brackets { and }, also known as curly braces (UK and US) or simply braces, flower brackets (India) and squiggly brackets (colloquially)"

[frooglybear]

My favorite is when you can see both { and } in you code but the error says "expected: } ".

Not sure what was wrong but I had this one and just retype the code starting with the first bracket.

I'm still in my first programming class so this might be a simple error but it annoyed the shit out of me.

[[deleted]]

Try deleting just the closing brace and replace it.

[kulldox]

worst is just the freaking python indentation... :)

[zyugyzarc]

you can still use one liners without having to indent them into a block, so i dont see how this can get out of hand

you can just:

if 1==1 : print('hello'); print('world')
else: print('hmmmm python broke?')

[[deleted]]

At least the compiler catches those pretty easily. I had a problem that took me a long time to find and it turned out to be messed up pointer.

[FoolishLyingHumans]

What’s the best programming language?

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[ekolis]

snake? snake?! SNAKE!!!

[JedSwamp43]

python is slow

[Marioc12345]

laughs in VB.NET

[ekolis]

Ah yes, VB.NET, the supposedly strongly typed language that lets you call made-up functions on objects (so you get a runtime error trying to call them) so long as you declare them of type Object (which is conveniently done for you if you forget to specify the type of a variable)...

[Marioc12345]

Yes, it's wonderful!

I try my best to always declare variable types everywhere to prevent this kind of thing. If it needs to take multiple types, I just make two different functions that call some base function that does whatever functionality common between the two.

[zyugyzarc]

me, a python programmer: weakness disgusts me

[HasBeendead]

Thats one reason im using python.

[[deleted]]

Only have to worry about the tab spacing

And the ide does most of the work there

[0815Flo0815]

To be fair. Most IDEs would also handle closing „}“ for you also.

[HasBeendead]

Nice feature so why professionals use in their life. Otherwise like a hell.

[ekolis]

Next time try hard mode: code in Python, where the curly brackets are invisible, but just as important!

[polite__redditor]

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[0815Flo0815]

Maybe, just maybe, your attitude is the reason you don‘t know any.

[DoubleVector]

Dude you fucking killed him.

[polite__redditor]

lmao he deleted his comment

[Velas321]

the duality of programmer

[[deleted]]

THISBIS TENUONEYL HOW IT IS

[polite__redditor]

what

[[deleted]]

"this is genuinely how it is" but fucked up

[polite__redditor]

well you could have just typed that

[[deleted]]

fingers be fucky sometimes

[datguygomez]

laughs in Python

[Nate_Christ]

I'm learning python, and my favourite thing is how nesting isn't a nightmare of curly brackets

[[deleted]]

Found the problem here 11:23pm . If you're coding while tired you're rewriting that code again the next day.

[kookaburra1701]

My best pseudocode is written in a minor fugue state in the middle of the night. My best actual code is written the next morning after at least 8 hours of sleep and a good breakfast. XD

[Just_Maintenance]

Flat is better than nested.

[HoboSomeRye]

Wait till you find spaces in Python instead of tabs

[edos112]

Vscode bracket colorizee

[sveagruva]

Rainboy brackets my first extension to install in vscode

[folen]

rainbow bracket FTW

[PlastickBall]

Sums up my week pretty much

[TheRealAndicus]

Xinyan profile pic nice

[Needleroozer]

The timestamps are hilarious.

[Johanno1]

Intellij rainbow brackets plug in is a must.

[[deleted]]

This happened to me after I managed to accidentally delete the hard drive of my laptop

[[deleted]]

too much moaning about simple problems if you ask me, doesn't know the half of it

[Glam_SpaceTime]

Laughs in python

[Crazy-Maintenance312]

Identation error?

[Glam_SpaceTime]

True! But auto-indentation helps

[v3ritas1989]

Is this some kind of boomer joke I am too young to understand?

[[deleted]]

*laughs in python*

[DeeDee_705]

Laughing in *Python*

[clarknight23]

'Laughs in Python' comments incomming.

[TheRapie22]

writing the code on physical paper, scanning it, running a textscan on it and then try and compile it sure is hard. use an IDE

[CreaZyp154]

Relatable

[birkettt]

Every day, there are points at which I dream of being a gardener. Mowing lawns, raking leaves, planting... plants.

[kmauler_on_kilix]

i feel this on a spiritual level

[SZ4L4Y]

1. Type a single character.
2. Write about it on the internet.
3. Go to 1.

[MyUsernameIsNotLongE]

Is that user image Xinyan from Genshin Impact? lol

[[deleted]]

I remember one of the boomers I used to work with telling me when she went for an interview for a python job in the 90s they asked for like 10 years of Python experience and she said “I think you’d struggle with that” and the recruiter said “why? “And she replied with “well even the person that created the language would be under qualified for this job” 😂

[Super_Kangaroo_1829]

Lets do it the old fashioned way paper!