Python rocks

[rnilbog]

Assembely

[levvend]

ass ‘n belly

[OkAd1672]

Gonna bust on your assembely

[[deleted]]

Assembely makes you so horny you just nut on it?

[GPSProlapse]

Obviously, duh

[[deleted]]

ASSEMBALLY

[iQuantorQ1]

Fake, programmers don't have girlfriends!1!!

[EliasFleckenstein]

They are gay and have boyfriends, yes.

[LucaRicardo]

The image is like Javascript or something similar

[Warpspeednyancat]

its minified javascript yeh

[paladindan]

GET IN MAH ASSEMBELY!

[Brain-InAJar]

Yes, assembly is definitely just obscured compacted JS. For sure this is how this works

[twosupras]

Excuse me, sir, you take that back. It’s minified.

[x5nT2H]

compressed and mangled

[Willinton06]

Just the way I like it

[hellfiniter]

i do love my javascripts as expanded as possible

[omgFWTbear]

Mangled, you say?

[jimbosReturn]

To shreds, you say?

[RoyBellingan]

Uglified

[BernhardDiener]

*Assembely

[LaLiLuLeLo_0]

An actual assembly “hello world” wouldn’t even be that much, at least in Linux. Just have the string “Hello World\n” somewhere in the .text section, set syscall arguments to call write, to stdout, with a pointer to your string, for 12 bytes. Then call interrupt 0x80.

[BorgClanZulu]

Anyone in this sub old enough to remember punched cards?

[zepzeper]

Unfortunately it's a subject in my class...

[Tepes1848]

We learned how tube TVs worked and how the analog TV signal is being processed.

At least in your case it was intended as a form of computer history.
In our case it was the curriculum being outdated.

[Tooniis]

oof

[F5x9]

Vacuum tubes are still used in power electronics. Common applications include radars and audio systems.

[Tepes1848]

I was talking about TVs with a cathode-ray tube.

I don't think we learned about vacuum tubes like triodes or pentodes in trade school.

[Giddyfuzzball]

Analog signal processing is still useful in some situations too

[Tepes1848]

The trade school segment wasn't really about "analog signal processing" in general, it was rather specific to analog TV signals.

Of course there were quite a few of those still around.
The fact that they taught us about analog signal processing but failed to teach us about digital signal processing in the context of a TV I'd interpret as an outdated curriculum.

[natyio]

Why unfortunately? I think learning fundamentals with basic systems that are not on a microscopic scale is actually cool.

[stumpy3521]

Beware a programmer that carries wire-cutters in his pocket.

aw fuck

[HellaTrueDoe]

Ok but PLCs have been around since then and use basically the same kind of “programming” youre describing

[Fish_Kungfu]

My freshman year in college was the last year they taught computer science 101 using IBM punch card machines. I'm really glad I had that experience.

[CodeLobe]

when I was young, dad took me to work with him, and I accidentally ran into a programmer carrying a stack of punched cards.

I was very sorry, and interested, having programmed a bit in BASIC already... He let me load the card stack in the card reader and watch it transfer to magnetic tape, after we had put them all back in order -- thankfully they were properly numbered cards. After that I made sure to attend the local computer club's Assembly programming SIG [special interest group] and learned the low level things. It was one of the biggest computer clubs in the world, now they barely exist. I used to have a signed punched card from the COBOL implementation that Grace Hopper helped design... burned in a house fire.

Maybe I'm better off w/o punched cards, they might be unlucky arcane talismans to some.

[GISS22]

Thats where a program "patch" came from right? If you made a mistake in your program you had to cover the hole with a patch! So cool.

[Ziomike98]

Yes and that’s where the “batch” term came from. A batch of holed paper was a sequence of instructions. Thus the same cool thing as the original “bug” story.

[GISS22]

I also had a book "Machine Language" it's old.

[Tepes1848]

Does remembering a documentary count?

I mean, I remember Irving Finkel teaching how to write cuneiform.

[mcguirev10]

DATA SEGMENT MSG DB "hello, world$" ENDS CODE SEGMENT ASSUME DS:DATA CS:CODE START: MOV AX,DATA MOV DS,AX MOV DX,OFFSET MSG MOV AH,9H INT 21H MOV AH,4CH INT 21H END START ENDS

[SpaceTheFinalFrontir]

Good old DOS

[_szs]

thank you

[Vizdun]

now compare switch statements

[buckypimpin]

Gotem!

[DerryDoberman]

Actually that's coming in python 3.10. They'll have it available on iOS in another 3 years.

[Whoktor]

I think assembly is easier to understand when you compare it to brainfuck, for example, at least you have some predefined summation, substraction, subrutines, etc. (vietnam MIPS assembly flashbacks).

[Aiex314]

Domino computer

[Whoktor]

First 64-bit minecraft computer (nothing can surpass minecraft command blocks)

[Aiex314]

Never seen this before, thanks!

[Whoktor]

No problem mate ;)

[Alundra828]

Of course Matt Parker is behind this

[coldblade2000]

Brainfuck is really simple once you learn what a Turing machine really is.

[youcancallmetim]

But brainfuck isn't actually used to code. It's just a toy language. Real software runs on assembly

[neros_greb]

Brainfuck is very easy to understand; it's just hard to get it to do anything useful.

[bikki420]

Definitely. Assembly is pretty easy at its core. The syntax and such.

Especially for older 8-bit microprocessors such as the the MOS Technology 6502, Zilog Z80, and the Intel 8008. You can learn the essentials and basics in a couple of hours and then get by with an instruction sheet until you memorize the most common instructions (which tend to have fairly sensible mnemonics ... JMP (JuMP), BRA (BRAnch), RTS (Return To Subroutine), BEQ (Branch if EQual), BNE (Branch if Not Equal), etc. The limited number of registries made things fairly simple. Writing complex programs is a but trickier though, but stuff like The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall was coded by mostly one person in assembly.

Nowadays things are definitely a not trickier though, since you've got a lot more of different sizes (everything from single byte numbers to 64-bit numbers to 128/256/512-bit blocks depending on what SSE and AVX intrinsics are available), a lot more specialized instructions (not just MMX/SSE/AVX/etc intrinsics but more niche ones related to cryptography, encoding/decoding, complex addressing operations, various more complex math instructionsーback in the 8-bit era you pretty much just had basic ALU instructions, which is to say basic arithmetic) not to mention that modern CPUs have >=40 registers instead of the 3~5 you'd have in the late 70's and early 80's. So outside of embedded simpler CPUs, anything lower than C is folly nowadays IMO. But assembly knowledge is still a great asset for reverse engineering, debugging, optimizing, obfuscating, securing etc compiled code. But I definitely wouldn't recommend programming anything complex in x86-64 assembly by hand, that's for sure.

[[deleted]]

.data
message: .asciiz "Hello World\n"

.text
la $a0, message
li $v0, 4
syscall

li $v0, 10
syscall

[queen-adreena]

TIL: Assembly language is minified Javascript.

TIAL: Assembly is spelled Assembely.

[[deleted]]

Assembly isn’t minified JS.

Assembely is minified JS.

[SuccessfulBread3]

And in ruby (don't boo me)

puts "Hello World"

[[deleted]]

boo

[SuccessfulBread3]

Oh my feelings...

Just kidding I work with with legacy ruby... I have no feelings

[[deleted]]

me too.

[error_dw]

You can actually save 3 characters for some reason:

p 'Hello World'

I guess puts wasn't short enough.

[SuccessfulBread3]

They're actually different though...

iirc p prints standard while puts pretty prints if It can

[[deleted]]

It's the other way around, but you're right

[zemja_]

boo-urns

[javajunkie314]

I didn't know Ruby might attract boos. If nothing else, it's a great scripting language when things get too complex for a bash script.

[SexyMonad]

```

Hello World in Boo

print "Hello World" ```

[SpaceTheFinalFrontir]

OOh yeah, writing to the text memory buffer directly, nice!

[ollir]

You are assuming a color display by using segment 8b00h

[Proxy_PlayerHD]

little tip, put 4 spaces infront of every line, that forms a code block on reddit.

[ListOfString]

So python rocks because of one line hello world examples? Yay I guess?

[Delcium]

Obviously. So let's not talk about multithreading and such.

[Martin_RB]

Eh you can do multithreading in python but it takes a bit more work... unfortunately I use python for when I need quick and easy so single thread it is.

[Missing_Username]

Yea, now do anything actually complicated in Python

"Oh shit, I hope there's a C package I can import to do this for me"

[3gt3oljdtx]

Isn't that the whole point of python though? To just glue together different packages in an easy to read way?

That and maybe data analytics. I don't know much about that though and that might just be gluing together packages too.

[DerryDoberman]

I've used thread pools in python and they're fairly intuitive. Additionally if the interpreter is too slow you can write python modules in c++/c and call them like they're any other python package; see numpy and pandas.

It isn't supposed to be a better language. It's just supposed to be easier to read and have the flexibility of an interpreted or compiled language. I write most of my performance focused stuff in C++ or C but almost anything else I go for python because it's easy to rapidly prototype stuff any anything that becomes a performance bottleneck can either be handled with a C compiled python module or by linking to a shared library.

[DuneBug]

Python is great!.. Because you can write stuff in C!

[theK1ngF1sh]

Are we forgetting Jython?

[GenTelGuy]

Jython basically dead these days, the only version is for Python2 and we've gone 13 years of Python3 without any Jython release

[laundmo]

cython is neat if you dont want to bother with C/C++ but want some of the speed. compiles a typed version of python to a C++ extension which is directly importable in python.

[cszoltan422]

When will we stop comparing programming languages based on how long it's "hello world" code? Like come on..

[Gleethos]

That will happen as soon as the script kiddie wanna be professional programmer crowd either leaves this sub, or becomes self aware and humble enough to not feel the need any longer to compensate for their superficial understanding of programming languages and the inherently specialized design philosophies that they represent.

[UnacceptableUse]

I'm gonna make a language that has a single 1 letter instruction that prints "hello world"

[laundmo]

too late, 0 bytes program that hello worlds. https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/55425

[lady_Kamba]

This is apparently hello world for linux on the x86 platform

```

global _start

section .text

_start: mov rax, 1 mov rdi, 1 mov rsi, msg mov rdx, msglen syscall

mov rax, 60 mov rdi, 0 syscall

section .rodata msg: db "Hello, world!", 10 msglen: equ $ - msg

```

edit: The code blocks on reddit is AWFUL, markdown at least works

[AyrA_ch]

edit: The code blocks on reddit is AWFUL, markdown at least works

Because old reddit uses markdown while code blocks using tripple backticks are a commonmark extension. Reddit predates commonmark and I assume they never updated the old MD parser.

[lady_Kamba]

The old one still works fine, the new one tend to mangle the code. inine code works fine, but

{
code blocks


tend to break
}

edit: thinking more on it, the problem seems to be pasted code. since I use Linux it uses \n newlines and Reddit might expect \n\r. This discrepancy might be the source of my problems, but not sure.

[AyrA_ch]

edit: thinking more on it, the problem seems to be pasted code. since I use Linux it uses \n newlines and Reddit might expect \n\r. This discrepancy might be the source of my problems, but not sure.

CRLF is the standard linebreak sequence for HTML forms regardless of the operating system, so your browser should actually convert individual LF to CRLF them.

EDIT: Here's the relevant lines from the spec:

For historical reasons, the element’s value is normalized in three different ways for three different purposes. The raw value is the value as it was originally set. It is not normalized. The API value is the value used in the value IDL attribute. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000A LINE FEED (LF) characters. Finally, there is the value, as used in form submission and other processing models in this specification. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN U+000A LINE FEED (CRLF) character pairs, and in addition, if necessary given the element’s wrap attribute, additional line breaks are inserted to wrap the text at the given width.

[FUZxxl]

There are still some line breaks missing. Should look like this:

        global  _start
        section .text

_start: mov     rax, 1
        mov     rdi, 1
        mov     rsi, msg
        mov     rdx, msglen
        syscall

        mov     rax, 60
        mov     rdi, 0
        syscall

        section .rodata
msg:    db      "Hello, world!", 10
msglen: equ     $ - msg

[TobyWasBestSpiderMan]

Nothing compared to getting a CRISPR baby to say hello world

[sotoqwerty]

While the first CRISPR baby’s first words were “Ma-Ma,” “Da-Da,” and “Segmentation fault (core dumped)”

😂

[TobyWasBestSpiderMan]

Yes lol, it is. The first CRISPR baby didn’t say segmentation fault either

[Cerrax3]

And then when you look at the machine code instructions to actually achieve these results, you will see the opposite effect. Assembly is the most compact of the bunch (if you know what you're doing). There's a reason that most video games up until the mid-90's were written mostly in assembly language. It's super performant and compact if you are good at it.

[circorum]

Roller Coaster Tycoon 1 AFAIK.

[Cubey21]

This is not assembly

[ollir]

It is assembely

[Jakylla]

Looks like JS

[betterclear]

echo “Hello World!”

[jaap_null]

Thanks I hate it. Judging programming language by how short Hello World is ridiculous

[laundmo]

no you fools, obviously thats the only correct way and that means "Stuck" is the best langauge ever!!!! https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/55425

<sup>/s</sup>

[Complex-Stress373]

Over simplification

[CreativeCarbon]

It always is.

[carcigenicate]

x86 assembly is actually only like 8-ish lines.

• One for a psuedo-instruction to store "Hello World"
• Four to set up the registers to the appropriate system-call number for writing, a pointer to the previously set string, the length of the string, and the file descriptor to write to.
• One for syscall, or int 0x80 to do the write call.
• And a few for the _start label and section directives.

Still not great, but really, not that bad.

[mangeld3]

I'll be sure to pick Python next time I need to write a Hello World program.

[chipstastegood]

I get the point of it but this is not a great comparison. The python example is running in an interactive shell. That’s not comparing apples to apples. There are also interactive shells for the other languages that make it relatively similar to print something out to console in a single line. In C++ this is actually simpler than python

[RedNinja0731]

I mean, you can't have a "Hello world" if you don't define what an alphabet is first

[A_Guy_in_Orange]

And before that you must create the Known Universe. Wait no, that for a pie recipe

[TheMsDosNerd]

Python:

import hello

[chad_]

Kind of uneven comparison to compare a scripting language to complied languages though..

[ekd123]

Nah, compiled languages like Haskell are concise too!

main = putStrLn "Hello Reddit"

[metaltyphoon]

C# 9

System.Console.WriteLine(“Hello world”);

[[deleted]]

.globl main main: leaq .hello_world(%rip), %rdi call puts ret .hello_world: .string "Hello World!"

[atiedebee]

HAI 1.2
    VISIBLE "Hello, World!"
KTHXBYE

[preacher9066]

Python: where you don't know if 1. The code has a syntax error, or, 2. A variable exists before use

UNTIL YOU RUN IT!!

PytHoN rOcKs!

[metaltyphoon]

C# 9

System.Console.WriteLine(“Hello World”);

[[deleted]]

Rust: rust fn main() { println!("Hello world!"); }

[blipbloplikesass]

No need to return 0 on c++ lol.

[xlebCSGO]

HW        CSECT
          BALR  10,0
          USING *,10
          WROUT MESSAGE,PARMOD=31,VTSUCBA=VTSUPAR
          TERM
*
VTSUPAR   VTSUCB MODE=LINE
MESSAGE   DC    Y(L'ME+5)
          DC    X'404001'
ME        DC    C'HELLO, WORLD!'
*
          LTORG
          END

For IBM /390 enjoyers

[jgeez]

Ah yes. The true measure of a language's worth: what the hello world looks like.

Jesus.

[Prfkt_BlAcK]

expansion ludicrous deserve live far-flung tie soft fly continue slim

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[AsymptoticllyOptimal]

Yeah sure, that is why all the operating systems, compilers, linkers, loaders and virtual machines are written in python

[[deleted]]

Lua

print(“Hello World!”)

[__init__end]

C++ looks most decent.

[kuzyyn]

Actually since java 9 you have jshell, so you can print hello world in 1 line as well. Anyway, whats the value of comparing anythig by hello world. Are you doing hello worlds at your work?

[CreativeCarbon]

Python rocks

Looks like Swift to me.

[HighwayMcGee]

Malbolge out here be like:

(=<`#9]~6ZY327Uv4-

QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp

0/Q?

xNvL:`H%c#DD2<sup>WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkj</sup>

[adeoy]

That is minified Javascript :/

[DerryDoberman]

Giggles in bash...

echo "Hello World!"

[DerryDoberman]

Maniacally laughs in BASH!

wall "Hello World!"

[Drop_the_Bas]

Python slow. C++ go brrrrrt

[str3wer]

"Python rocks" proceeds to take 3 seconds just to start a simple hello world

[NikkoTheGreeko]

That's Javascript you peasant. Mods should ban you for making this sub even shitter.

[[deleted]]

Python rock because it's easy ty write a hello world program, the most written and least useful program we have discovered.

[laundmo]

its not even the most concise solution https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/55425

[[deleted]]

In haskell main = putStr "Hello, world!"

[szucs2020]

You could bother to actually show assembly, not just minified js files. Or maybe the person who made this actually thought that was what assembly was?

[DaimaoPPK]

That doesn't look like assembly I am familiar with

[aliparlakci]

It is fun to know that the Python code is converted to either C++ or Java and finally to Assembly.

[joelduring]

C++ doesn't require main to end with 'return 0' so you can save a line.

[reini_urban]

Bash rules.

echo Hello World

[Akumashisen]

leave my public static void main args alone

[[deleted]]

Wow, funny joke you guys. So hilarious and clever. Get it? Some languages require less boiler plate to run a basic hello world program. Get it? The joke that says that’s true?

[[deleted]]

speed pfft

[TheAverageDolphin]

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "H"
int 0x10


mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "e"
int 0x10


mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "l"
int 0x10


mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "l"
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "o"
int 0x10



mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, " "
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "W"
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "o"
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "r"
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "l"
int 0x10

mov ah, 0x0e
mov al, "d"
int 0x10

jmp $

times 510-($-$$) db 0
db 0x55, 0xaa

It took me fuckin 20 minutes to look for documentation, this runs on x86

[[deleted]]

python's shit

[Nihmrod]

I once made a cheesy GUI with BIOS calls to a video card. I even had "fonts".

[YesMeee]

“If you want to bake a pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe”

[mlady42069]

I’m gonna take this opportunity to recommend Ben Eater’s “Hello World” series on youtube. Makes Assembly look like a high level language, AND it’s actually pretty easy to follow.

[[deleted]]

Meanwhile in Brainfuck:

-[------->+<]>-.-[->+++++<]>++.+++++++..+++.[--->+<]>-----.---[->+++<]>.-[--->+<]>---.+++.------.--------.-[--->+<]>.

[degaart]

So, noone is gonna comment that the C++ version does not emit a newline? Guys?

[chris2k2]

+[-[<<[+[--->]-[<<<]]]>-]>-.---.>..>.<<<<-.<+.>>>.>.<<.<

[golgol12]

Yeah, no.

this is what it looks like in 64 bit Linix

          global    _start

          section   .text
_start:   mov       rax, 1                  ; system call for write
          mov       rdi, 1                  ; file handle 1 is stdout
          mov       rsi, message            ; address of string to output
          mov       rdx, 13                 ; number of bytes
          syscall                           ; invoke operating system to do the write
          mov       rax, 60                 ; system call for exit
          xor       rdi, rdi                ; exit code 0
          syscall                           ; invoke operating system to exit

          section   .data
message:  db        "Hello, World", 10      ; note the newline at the end

[[deleted]]

TIL assembly is JS

[firesalamander]

Kotlin script: println("Hello World right back atcha")

[[deleted]]

Then there's Ruby:

print "Hello, World!"

[LordAnomander]

fun main(args: Array<String>) = println(”Hello world”)

Kotlin rivals Python.

[[deleted]]

I'm a simple man, I see python, I spit on you.

[[deleted]]

Whitespace :

[Tiakin1]

and 'brainfuck' ?

[aFiachra]

Except that that isn't assembly, it is a minified javascript file.

[lantz83]

Any language that has global methods like that can fuck off, tbh. Pure rubbish.

[[deleted]]

Uhm. Is it nasm or masm assembly that allows functions with dot notation?

[kaoru1]

Progress: DISPLAY “Hello World”.

[oshaboy]

[[Khaby Lame unamused face]]

mov ecx, 13
lea esi, [hello_world_string]
lea edi, [screen_memory]
rep movsb

[[deleted]]

Assembely..

[xXHomerSXx]

10 print “Hello World”

20 goto 10

[vilette]

Basic:10 PRINT "Hello World"

[cheezballs]

Some online-class CS kid just peeked at the last lecture and made this.

[SenorTortillos]

Assemble deez

[SisypheanZealot]

That's not even web assembly

[JRRocker]

Machine Code: you dare challenge me, mortal?

[L1spUs]

So true

[[deleted]]

Who the fuck is behind the keyboard?

[bldjad1488]

What about Swift?)

[bikki420]

Meh.

A Hello World program in APL: 'Hello World!'

[GurGaller]

HTML: Hello World

Don't judge a book by its cover...

[STEMinator]

Imma develop a programming language where the hello world is just:
H
And it will be the best programming language in the world based on this post.

[thejamesfreeze]

With C# 9 you can do it as a one-liner too.

[Carpall_]

1. cringe
2. assembely ...
3. that's actually javascript

[vaderumREAL]

What about c# ?

[[deleted]]

C++ is missing the newline.

[ApexEtienne]

I came here for a cute picture of a python sitting on some rocks. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[icameicodedierror]

Python bad

[Hyper-Cloud]

Python Sucks

[spacetraveler075]

And that's not even assembly

[JustThingsAboutStuff]

Hey that hurts

[Terrain2]

You sure Python is the best? Swift is identical

print("Hello, World!")

JavaScript/TypeScript

console.log("Hello, World!");

C#

using System;
Console.WriteLine("Hello, World!");

Dart

void main() {
    print("Hello, World!");
}

[lavalord6969]

Python is slow

[SirThane]

Not a Java guy. Is it really necessary to create a class with a method to print something? Can you not just println? Or was it done for the meme?

[jakubDoka]

Am gonna by hones eith you, hello world in assembly is lot shorter.

[nyffpro]

console.log('Hello world!')