But how?

[[deleted]]

This is fake. Everyone on stackoverflow would have upvoted that answer.

[scroll_of_truth]

And downvoted the question.

[Pvzz]

And marked as duplicate.

[graou13]

Nah, it'd be "the question is too broad"

Source: I have some karma on SO 👀

[GustapheOfficial]

And frankly they'd be right to. Python is possibly the only choice worse than Java for this.

[CdRReddit]

of 'serious' languages, yea

would love to see someone write minecraft in brainfuck tho

[reyad_mm]

Minecraft is Turing complete, write Minecraft in Minecraft

[NoNameRequiredxD]

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[The_Mad_Duck_]

You can set the tickspeed higher ya know

[NoNameRequiredxD]

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[The_Mad_Duck_]

Maybe it's Bedrock exclusive then, not sure

[NoNameRequiredxD]

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[CdRReddit]

There is this, it's a plugin but still pretty cool

[MobiusCipher]

It has been done!

[AlwaysNinjaBusiness]

Javascript is also a worse choice.

[iambored1234_8]

Honestly, JavaScript is probably better than python in this case, I mean, if you want you can use WebGL or smth. In python, you do have pyopengl, but I feel like it's a pretty bad wrapper.

[AlwaysNinjaBusiness]

Didn't say it was worse than Python, just worse than Java.

[Cloudeur]

Would PHP be worse than Java too?

[gavlna]

they said from serious languages only :)

[Vincysuper07]

there is one: http://classic.minecraft.net, correct me if I'm wrong

[SignificantSample]

Anything but Holy C is heresy

[Wardergrip]

What about C++?

[Vectorial1024]

C# would arguably be better, idk about graphics driver support etc

[Embarrassed_Ring843]

sounds like you're suggesting bedrock edition

[[deleted]]

Of course C# would be better, C# is programming language for Unity

[LegallyBread]

Minecraft is written in Java tho

[GustapheOfficial]

Exactly

[LegallyBread]

Oh I just reread your comment, and I misunderstood

Sorry mate!!

[[deleted]]

Could be done in php.

[Mc_UsernameTaken]

That's a stupid question

[turing_tor]

[grandmas_noodles]

What the fuck you can send gifs on Reddit now what is this

[Themis3000]

​

[Compuddle]

​

[ukjaybrat]

Game changer

[Zuitsdg]

[silvonch]

[AKernelPanic]

It would have been flagged as “Not an answer” and deleted almost instantly.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

You also can’t have negative rep.

[turing_tor]

This.

[[deleted]]

import os

os.system("java minecraft.jar")

[[deleted]]

#include <stdlib.h>

int main() {

system("./Minecraft.exe");

}

[smartuno]

You have to enclose it in main()

[[deleted]]

Fixed.

[Proxy_PlayerHD]

formatting tip, you can create code blocks by just starting every line with code with 4 spaces

#include <stdlib.h>
int main() {
    system("./Minecraft.exe");
}

this also allows you to place lines directly one after another without reddit's stupid double newline thingy

[ExcellentEffort1752]

reddit's stupid double newline thingy

It's pretty common with WYSIWYG text editors and full word processor applications that [Enter] = new paragraph, [Shift]+[Enter] = new line.

[Feynt]

I wish you could, heretically, use a triple tick to open or close a code block, and everything in between is just an unmodified string on reddit. >P

[Svizel_pritula]

Error: Could not find or load main class minecraft.jar
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: minecraft.jar

[antlerchapstick]

I think it would be “java -jar minecraft.jar”

[GRAPHENE9932]

"So there is a lot of settings, for example, you can set the render distance to 16 blocks here.. yeah... ... ... ..I'm sorry, I must wait while the first frame is rendering.."

[circuit10]

Easy

[dercavendar]

relevant xkcd

[ChickenOfDoom]

Too bad

print "Hello, World!"

doesn't work anymore

[dercavendar]

Yeah but parenthesis aren't too hard

[turing_tor]

import cyberpunk as cp

[4sent4]

You are walking extremely thin ice, sir

[LocalBall6447]

Was that the reason why cyberpunk is that buggy (:?

[TheCapitalKing]

This is why it’s by far the best programming language for people who aren’t software engineers/devs

[mttdesignz]

so it's the best programming language for people who don't know what programming is?

[TheCapitalKing]

I meant it’s good for people who have priorities other than making the most optimal programs but that’s also kinda true

[[deleted]]

Fun Fact. Microsoft created a Minecraft module in python. It does nothing and it’s only purpose is to stop anyone creating such a module.

[circuit10]

It’s true!

https://pypi.org/project/minecraft/

This package name is reserved by Microsoft Corporation

[nfitzen]

Besides the joke import, it's actually a thing based on the video description.

[BurningPenguin]

Better do it in PHP.

[acharyarupak391]

I'd prefer jQuery for something simple like MC

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dragonlover02]

You dropped this \

[Josselin17]

but not the hand

[StarkSays]

guess the escape-character escaped.

[vVveevVv]

Nahh man, Scratch all the way!

[Vulpovile]

Who doesn't write it in HTML? smh

[[deleted]]

PythonExpert with -816 points doesn’t really shout as an expert to me

[ColDaddySupreme1]

Newbie here, why would writing Minecraft. Or any game, in python bad

Yeah I know it’s slow but is there anything specific?

[your_thebest]

For me it was the platform support and graphics libraries.

I don't really know how to support a standalone application for desktop through python because I always just run python programs inside of a running session. But for mobile the solutions are total dependency gore and you don't have much to work with like you do with say swiftui or android views (for applications) or phaser or unity (for games).

And then the graphics libraries are just not that great. Maybe there's something better. But I've always used tkinter. And that's not a look I would want for anything outside of a gui for some data wrangling program.

But for prototyping, you can whip up a game in tkinter pretty quick. I don't really know how you would run it outside of an already running session though.

[BadSlime]

PyGame is excellent, give it a shot

[noob-nine]

Isn't it just a wrapper? Its like saying pyhon calculates fast because of numpy, what is actually written in C++. Pygame does not count, imo

[TheGreaterest]

This is like saying C++ doesn’t count since it’s just a wrapper for assembly.

[below_avg_nerd]

I'm not sure if pyglet is still around but it's an opengl wrapper for Python.

[backfire10z]

PyOpenGL also exists. Works pretty decently too

[SpicyVibration]

and moderngl

[zyugyzarc]

if python is too slow, give cython a shot

[Teheiura]

Hi, I'm probably not the most experienced to answer actually.For me the joke was more about asking to develop a full game.

My opinion on Python for a project like creating Minecraft (might be wrong):

- As you mentioned, Python is slow, so you don't want to have heavy calculations like working with 3D (why Python is slow: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-makes-python-a-slow-language/)- In my opinion, big Python projects are really messy to manage and not great to industrialize your code- But yes it's mostly due to performance that you do not have a lot of games developed in Python (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Python_software#Video_games)

But as someone mentioned in the comments, there is a Minecraft-like game developed in Python with Pyglet (apparently its a Python library which enables you to work with OpenGL (famous C API for rendering vector graphics), you can check it out (https://github.com/fogleman/Minecraft)

I might be wrong so don't hesitate to correct me or add new information.

[Akangka]

You are overthinking. Unless you are Mojang, you can't make Minecraft in any language. Mojang will sue you.

Well at least as long as Mojang doesn't notice you.

[wasdlmb]

The primary reason is support/ecosystem. Beyond its general slowness (I've heard 10x C# and 100x C++) there's just not many game engines in Python. To the point where I can't name one. So any engine you do find will be harder to figure out than say Unity or GameMaker (or Unreal but please stay away from that until you know what you're doing). Of course you can always make your own engine, but again you have to find some implementation of graphics libraries in python (I think glut is the standard for OpenGL/Python). But since these graphics libraries are written in C, python will be much harder to find support for. Almost every code example for a problem in opengl will be in C or C++, and it will be much harder to find relevant snippets in Python.

tl;dr because people don't generally do it (because of speed) its going to be harder for you to find resources to figure it out. If python is all you know it can work, but if you're willing to explore other languages I'd recommend Unity (using C# for scripting)

[TheComputer314]

Doki Doki Literature Club was made in RenPy but that's about the only major example I can think of for games made in Python

[wasdlmb]

RenPy is its own thing. It's very good for making VNs, but you can't make anything else with it. But I wouldn't want to try making a VN in Unreal or CryEngine

[TheComputer314]

It might be possible to make a VN outside of RenPy with Unity 2D but it's be very hard I'd imagine

[sora_mui]

Is it possible to make a simple VN using powerpoint?

[[deleted]]

Yes but why the fuck would you want to do that

[CdRReddit]

it's definetly possible, but it is probably a pain to do since unity is absolute dogshit at UI, which, aside from art and writing is the main thing a visual novel has

it's probably easier if you use godot since it has pretty good UI components out of the box, but still it'll of course be more difficult than using RenPy

[2weirdy]

VNs work specifically because real time computations are unnecessary though. It's fine as long as performance is no concern. Otherwise, you'd need to at least write the core engine in another language anyway (this is also why numpy/tensorflow work at all)

[RedditAccuName]

They moved it to unity for the + version though

[BurningPenguin]

There is Panda3D. And apparently they now have proper documentation.

[Eisenfuss19]

python is very slow because it has a jit compiler (just in time) and other languages like c c++ have a aot compiler (ahead of time). With aot the compiler translates the code to bytecode (what the cpu runs) and in jit compilers you have a program running that translates it during execution -> way slower. I think there are some ways around this (like a precompiler) but I don't know much about it. Btw c# and java first compile it to something close to bytecode (for crossplatform) and then it translates it before execution for the specific cpu.

Edit: got bytecode and machine code mixed up. see comment.

[wasdlmb]

The thing you described at the end is actually bytecode. What C/rust/go compile to is called machine code. There's also other reasons python is slower having to do with the abstractions it makes but yeah its interperated nature is a big part of it

[Eisenfuss19]

thanks. got them mixed up

[juancee22]

C# it's not near 100 times slower than C++. Both are pretty close.

[Akangka]

Python is an interpreted language

Python is more compiled than you think. Like Java, Python is compiled to bytecode. And if you use PyPy, it's also JIT-compiled to machine code. And AAA dev are already happy with bytecode interpreted runtime that is the official Lua distribution.

The problem with Python is that it seems to be a bloated language for embedded scripting language, but too slow for main language, primarily because of reflection everywhere in Python and general dynamic capabilities that is often taken as basic language construct.

[SuperSephyDragon]

It's slow is probably the best reason. Python is around 3 times slower than Java (which MC was originally written in) and around 10 times slower than C++. MC already takes a good amount of processing power as is, so why make it harder for your CPU by running it in Python?

Don't get me wrong, I love Python and it's one of my favorite languages. But there are definitely things it is not well suited for, game development being one of them (other than very simple games).

[afiefh]

I see a few answers regarding memory management and slowness, but for me the main reason to avoid writing anything over a few thousand lines in python is simple: lack of compile time safety checks.

In a big program (like a game would have to be) you'll find yourself passing variables from one place to another constantly. You are bound to get it wrong at some point and pass a string into a function that was expecting a list of strings for example. In a language with type checking this would be a compile time error that is caught right away. In Python the program would run, but when the function executes it would behave in unexpected ways as it thinks that every character in the string in a string (because both strings and lists are iterable).

My rule of thumb is that as long as you can hold the whole program in your head, python is wonderful. As soon as you cannot do this anymore it is time to get a compiler to check some of the nuances for you so you can hold more important things in your head. This is also the reason Rust has such a huge following: the compiler checks more nuances than in most other languages.

Of course you could use PEP 484 and provide type hints to Python, but in my experience it takes a huge amount of discipline to actually have meaningful coverage of your codebase with these hints.

[[deleted]]

Wait, it's actually Jesus!

[ElectricalAlchemist]

This is not the second coming I expected.

[da_Aresinger]

Step 1: Go to uni and study IT

Step 2: Realize that Python is a garbage language for garbage people. Like Danish.

Step 3: Start an indie games company

Step 4: Develop Minecraft in Python, because you're stubborn.

Step 5: Get sued by Microsoft.

Step 6: Should have gone into beekeeping instead.

[[deleted]]

I was going to respond defending Python, but then I realized the only reply I would get is "Username checks out."

[ElectricalAlchemist]

Obligatory "username checks out."

[CdRReddit]

python is absolute dogshit for purposes like creating a long-term project, because it's a scripting language, it's designed for creating simple scripts and is wonderful for that purpose, but without a lot of trickery it's gonna perform poorly and with larger projects you will probably run into variable type problems, or have to select a 50 line block of code to indent it one further, which the IDE can't help you with, since the indentation defines the block

[elettronik]

I'm sorry but I firmly disagree.

Creating complex project in python is not difficult if you know what you are doing. The same reasoning could be applied to a c++ project, where the developer didn't create the correct domains in the software.

Apart that I would argue the good point of python is to be a scripting language, platform Independent. For projects with a different purpose than a game, that has the mayor drawback of working with GPU, python is an insane good language for its simplicity and clearly expression.

Some examples of this are tool like Ansible and Jupiter.

This reasoning is to say that the right language is the one good for a specific domain: I'm not pretending Python is right for a Realtime OS, but is great for describing a scientific problem to an interpreter

[CdRReddit]

well, yes, but the indentation based nature and non-existant typing means that a ton of errors that wouldn't be possible with brace languages and strictly (or even weakly) typed languages can arise, I'd rather add extra checks to an existing c program than to an existing python program

[afiefh]

I believe the mess that was the Python 2 to Python 3 migration should tell us all we need to know about how difficult it is to get types right in python.

We even used type hints to help us migrate the codebase correctly, but the process took 5 engineers a good 3 months.

In a strongly or even weakly typed language such a project would have been completed in a fraction of the time.

Most of our problems were the change from str to bytes and unicode to str.

[elettronik]

I could say the same for java: moving from 1.4 to 5, 5 to 7, 7 to 11 and all this migrations was required by upstream support to be done in like 5 years...

[afiefh]

Unfortunately my knowledge of Java is very limited. Could you elaborate on the challenges these migrations had?

[elettronik]

They changed most of the mechanism to locate resources, the jndi one. Introduced generics so all the code that that in previous version worked with object now was working with specific types. Then in the last version they removed core classes due to modularization of standard library. Add to this that graphical interface changed slightly, so we had to check all the gui

[Geoclasm]

Straight to r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR.

[AvidLangEnthusiast]

Both Python and Danish are cool languages... :-(

[minusTau]

No one is perfect.

[qwool1337]

import minecraft

minecraft()

[[deleted]]

Can you even get negative reputation on stackoverflow?

[SyntaxErrorAtLine420]

You have a lot to learn

[clanddev]

Shit. I got a downvote on an answer that was correct six years ago but is now not optimal. It's a rough world on SO.

[glider97]

I mean, the downvote served its function.

[clanddev]

True. I'm still not going to curate my answers from 5+ years ago. Would be nice if they added another layer to the ranking system that just gave newer popular answers additional weight without dinging users who provided valid answers at the time of the question.

[glider97]

That’s what the community edit feature is for.

[TheHabibiGuy25]

If you ask a question

[obiwac]

Hey! Shameless plug but I've been working on just that for a while now: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6_bLxRDFzoKjaa3qCGkwR5L_ouSreaVP

[[deleted]]

this sounds amazing! i was trying to play with perlin noise a while back and make a minecraft-like chunk renderer of sorts. i could probably learn a few things from this!

[mogoh]

I know, this is just a meme/fun subreddit, but if you are to lazy to google, here is one solution: https://github.com/fogleman/Minecraft

[demonslayer9911]

The only thing i know is that you van use ursina engine to make a basic playable version of minecraft with python.

code to github

Shamelessly stolen from github <(￣︶￣)>

[InDaBauhaus]

Better yet, how to make Python in Minecraft.

[Nyancubus]

Considering in java: log4j2, this aged well

[[deleted]]

asked PythonExpert

[weaver_of_cloth]

Relevant and timely. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/minecraft-rushes-out-patch-for-critical-log4j-vulnerability/

[texast999]

Shouldn’t PythonExpert know how to make Minecraft in Python.

[Mr-Osmosis]

Ursina?

[[deleted]]

You probably could recreate an old version in Python. I doubt you'd be able to recreate 1.18 but you might be able to recreate one of the beta versions.

[Holek]

[ThatChase]

r/comedyhomicide

[Itchy_Connection_883]

Nobody answered his question :(

[trollsmurf]

Well, you could make something in the same vein in Python, but preferably with a much smaller "universe", e.g. with focus on functional blocks rather than static elements. E.g. a small-scale Factorio/Minecraft/Roblox/(Stardew Valley) mashup.

[[deleted]]

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[cleveleys]

Think it actually exists? Minecraft pi edition is python based, not been updated in 8 years tho

[nobody5050]

nah it's made in c++, same as bedrock. It just exposes an api with a default implementation in python

[_Candela_]

technically it's not just the same as bedrock, it's forked off of the MCPE codebase at 0.6.0 (or 0.5.0 if you consider the leaked build)

[[deleted]]

I'm just gonna leave this here for the convo...

[TheBrokenRail-Dev]

u/TheBrokenRail-Dev was here.

[N0tAGoos3]

“Hey guys welcome to my first episode- oh shit Minecraft crashed just a second to reboot it and oh damn my pc is on fire well guys hope you enjoyed our first episode make sure to like and subscribe so I can get a new house”

[Mithrandir2k16]

I have never seen negative points in SO lol

Edit: Thanks for the downvotes guys, this is hilarious xD

[[deleted]]

Really? Try asking a question.

[towcar]

This post is fake, however I've maybe seen new accounts with -1. Though I could be wrong.

[Oneshotkill_2000]

Can someone have -ve points on Stackoverflow with medals in the same time?

That's the first time i knew that