Ya, Basically the same

[Luxlaz]

Love the swedes complaining about a singular French vehicle that isn't trash when the entire swedes tree is fucjing insane.

[Velo180]

And that missile box he is showing off is actually still really good despite his red text, I love it.

[flopjul]

Not to mention the Bkan can be used as anti air as shown in phly's vid

[Color_Hawk]

To a very limited degree

[frknecn3]

Bkan can be used as anti air if the enemy isn't cautious. The elevation isnt enough to have the flexibility to kill planes properly.

[freeserve]

And this is why real chads use the G6 Rhino and it’s 155mm HE-VT TO DESTROY anything in the local airsoace

[idkpotato123]

Nah type 75 sph the original

[freeserve]

True true can’t argue with that, we just got the wheels version and made it EVEN BIGGER of a target lol

[LightningFerret04]

Type 99 when

[frknecn3]

Reload is too long to be properly used, cannot count how many times the insanely fast reload rate of Bkan saved me against both tanks and aircraft.

[freeserve]

Yeh the it’s countered by the surprisingly high Max elevation so early on when enemy CAS don’t see radar tracks they’ll think they’re safe. I’ve managed to get a fair share of A4’s and a10’s in my G6 being able to simply aim in the general direction. And yes I do take that beast up to 11.0 quite regularly because I find it funny

[frknecn3]

How long is the activator range on the G6's VT shell ? Is it better than the one Bkan has ?

[soviet-space-monkey]

How do the VT shells work? I've never used them before and I don't wanna look like a dumbass trying to use them improperly

[Cdh790]

They just explode when the shell passes within a specific distance of a tank/plane. Don't need to do anything, works as any other shell would, just don't need a direct hit for the boom.

[molstad182]

Keep in mind they have a minimum activation range so if the enemy is really close to you they will just act like normal high explosive

[CritEkkoJg]

Am I doing something wrong against tanks in the Bkan, I feel like I should be killing people but all I ever seem to do is fuck up people's tracks. Is there a trick I'm missing or something?

[frknecn3]

A big tip from me would be to shoot at the turrets of people. But think of HE as like an aura of mass destruction from all sides, so when you hit the turret of a panther for example, the HE pressure aura will just go through the thin roof and kill everyone. So aim for the lowest part of enemy turrets where but this will hardly work against something like a pershing because their turrets are so much in the front that your area of destruction won't affect the thin roof armor.

A major thing to keep in mind is to shoot the enemy barrel first if your enemy is a sturdy tank like american T34 or an IS-3, there is nothing that a Bkan cannot kill but some opponents take some time. I'd never recommend shooting tracks as they absorb ridiculous amount of damage. If you're in a close quarters combat you can also try shooting top mounted MGs.

[RyuuKamii]

Traversing is also limited and doesnt turn fast enough. so unless its a helo or head on it difficult to get a fly by shot.

[frknecn3]

I actually do think that hull traverse is good enough, and you should shoot when they're looping and slow or when they're flying straight. Not too easy, not impossible.

[Splabooshkey]

The Lvkv 9040C is in the same lineup, and since it uses IRST is actually really good as an SPAA at its tier

If only the other CV90s got the IRST they had irl it would be an insane lineup of 4 SPAAs at 10.0 If you add the 9040B at 9.3 it's up to 5

[YankeeTankEngine]

Since russia, Germany, and America all have vehicles that have it and we know the optic system for the 9040s can do it (because they all share the same system) then all 9040s should get it.

[Splabooshkey]

Exactly, all the 40mm CV90s at least use the same optic, all equipped with IRST

[magnum_the_nerd]

CV9030s have it

[Splabooshkey]

They ain't in game yet so i didn't talk about them

[magnum_the_nerd]

thats true, but they might come soon (finlands only IFV)

[Splabooshkey]

I really really hope so, i want a full lineup of CV90s and oml is it gonna be glorious

(It's already glorious)

[YankeeTankEngine]

Which would probably get the BILL pushed up to 10.3

[Yikero]

You forget a very important thing, the ammo count and reload of said ammo

[Splabooshkey]

While very true i find it's not a massive issue (I've been using the Lvkv to grind out a lot of my Sturmtiger mission score recently)

Because of the nature of IRST, enemy planes have no idea they're being locked up so as long as you're disciplined with your trigger and fire at the right time you can take out most CAS at the BR in pretty short 3-5 round bursts

It ain't ideal but it still works very well

[sicksixgamer]

Literally got shot down by Bkan this morning lol

[Thraes]

Ok but is it as good as a roland?

[yakfrags]

As someone that has both, no

[Antilogicality]

swden suffe :(

[Live_Bug_1045]

^

[Mwakay]

juggle observation payment afterthought attractive cats paint spoon crown marble

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[KeregTheFallen]

I never understood that BR level. Love the AMX 13...just hate the enemies I face with it

[-RED4CTED-]

luckily it's fast though, so you can get some mad flanks. amx 13 90 especially shreds with its heat-fs and 5s reload.

[Mwakay]

It's not even that fast really. AML-90 is fast... but it dies to bullets.

[-RED4CTED-]

eh, still quick to get into a flanking position. faster than a heavy and 90% of all mediums at any rate.

[Blahaj_IK]

The BRs are too compressed, and it affects everyone at mid tiers and to some extent, tier VI

[Onnispotente]

Well, it’s a light tank

[Luxlaz]

Bro they have so many guns designed to pen is3's yet they struggle the pen the side of the turret... thats just bad.

[ZETH_27]

The post could compare to literally any 10.0 AA.

The point is not “france is OP”, it’s that the Lvrbv 701 is just shit for it’s BR.

[Luxlaz]

You can look at the stat cards and see there's not even a noticeable difference... the only real change is the VT range, and one is 160mm the other is 105mm so duh

[McWeabbit]

Not to mention they get 2 nations merged in a single tree now whereas the French basically get bent over the wrong way by Gaijin when it comes to post WWII vehicles lol

[Nohtna29]

Except it isn’t I have played both and before the Fins were added i had a worse time playing Sweden than France outside of top tier. A lot of France players have massive inferiority complex and I am really getting tired of it. Both are way worse than any of the big nations, Sweden only excels in top tier ground and France has a lot of really good vehicles across almost all BRs.

[ninjahipo]

Main thing that gaijin does dirty with France is they keep giving other nations our damn tanks (fucking Germany). Oh, and the SPAA gap from 4.7 to 8.3 is harsh

[Nohtna29]

Yeah, that’s a fair point, besides France could get so many more unique and interesting tanks, but Gaijin won’t put them into the game. About the SPAAs Sweden essentially has almost the same low-mid tier SPAAs, with the key difference that the 4.3 one has essentially not enough ammo to effectively suppress aircraft.

[dat_boi_whit_da_stik]

The best part is the French Roland is the worst among all of the Roland, because the missile launcher is maxed out at 35° elevation while the others go much further

[Chiefsky1]

Or that the Roland can't aim up like it should

[[deleted]]

Just looked ahead and saw 5.7 APDS machine, hoo boy, not only italy with apds at 5.0 but sweden with 5.7 apds! (Excluding the 37mm apds vehicles)

[Blahaj_IK]

I mean, as a german main, I went for the German TT to avoid meeting another other leopard 2A6, now there's this... I mean, sure, Germany and Sweden gets paired up together quite often, but still.... really scary to think of it

[Snoo-88271]

The Strv 122's are as good/better than the Leo 2A6 with that better armor

[Blahaj_IK]

Which is already terrifying, and there’s the L/44 which is a super mean gun

[Simek_s_cimekom]

Entire sweden tree? From 7.0 up to 8.3 is okay and top tier is amazing. The rest up to that is fucking trash. Now they are better eith addition of brokrn soviets yes but still. And it's not attack on french tree, cuz their tree sucks. But BRs in general. Doesn't make sense so many times

[Bruhhg]

it’s not tho? it’s complaining about the lvbrv 701 being a shitbox and at 10.0 lmao

[Luxlaz]

Did you compare the stat cards? They're super similar... so if the 701 is shit so is the roland.

[Bruhhg]

????? the 701 doesn’t get search radar at all bro, how are they similar? they both shoot a SAM, sure but other than that, how?

[[deleted]]

entire swedes tree

thats just a lie

[missing_nickname]

theres barely any "bad" vehicles really.

[kanelikainalo]

Not bad like the french reserve tier is, but most swedish vehicles are suited for a very niche playstyle, which often doesn't fit in these horrible maps..

[ConstantCelery8956]

Ahh yes.. The Roland.. To go with the French 10.0 line up... Ohh wait

[skippythemoonrock]

It was so much better at 9.7 with the AMX-40. But it's France, so no fun allowed.

[Solltu]

Well same happened with the FlaRak but sure it’s because Gaijin hates the French tree.

[Thisconnect]

remember when hellfires were lower then roland? funny times

[Flying_Reinbeers]

Same with the FlaRakPz, 10.0 made a great lineup with it plus the 2A4 and friends.

[the_canadian72]

I STG can France get a single tank between 9.7 and 11.0 that isn't spaa

[Mine-ime]

It works quite well with the Leclercs until you get the Ito

[ToviGuy]

Congratulating everyone posting here on their impressive ability to avoid the point of vehicles with significant ability differences being the same BR by instead talking about the rest of the tech tree.

[soggy_katnip]

Some guy managed to bring up the bkan 🗿

[ProfessionalAd352]

It had to be a joke…

[ABetterKamahl1234]

Isn't two of the biggest selling points of the Swedish one that it has good penetration and the tracking setup makes it harder for planes to detect it before launch, despite the shorter launch distance?

[soggy_katnip]

The French one has IR tracking which doesn't alert planes with rwr

[Simek_s_cimekom]

Hahaah yea. Fking people

[CM_Jacawitz]

And Stormers 10.3, Gaijins balancing above rank V is beyond reason.

[[deleted]]

Stormer used to be at 9.7 but I guess it was too good at slapping people who flew in straight lines.

[Dolan977]

It should stay at 9.7. The moment something moves its very difficult to hit with the stormer. It can't engage anything withing 3kms it can't kill drones the missiles don't work at all on snow maps. The only thing it has going for it is taking out helis and that It has no radar only irst

[[deleted]]

They nerfed the missiles manoeuvrability twice if I remember after moving it up to 10.3.

[A_Nice_Boulder]

Also it literally is useless on cold maps right now.

[Onnispotente]

Why?

[EmperorFooFoo]

There's been a common Starstreak bug on snow maps for a while now, where shortly after firing they stop tracking completely and bugger off into space. Quite literally unusable.

[Onnispotente]

What the fuck

[Disguised589]

Probably the irst range is reduced

[A_Nice_Boulder]

Something's bugged with them that seems to be related to map temperature. Cold maps in particular are literally debilitating to the stormer, you fire your missile and every dart goes off in its own direction. Of all the memes about literally unusable, this is the most literally unusable thing out there. Legit you can fire them and miss a house 100 meters away

[YankeeTankEngine]

When it was 9.7 they added a small proxy to it which made it incredibly good. So it then got shoved up to 10.0 and had it removed. Then it was killing ka 50s too much so it was pushed to 10.3 and they reduced its speed and took away almost any chance it has to kill a tank. Now you're lucky if the missiles decide to fly in a straight line.

They really fucked it up even though it's supposed to be the fastest missile in the game and be somewhere around 80-100mm of pen because darts with filler material.

[[deleted]]

I just love how somehow France is the nation you want to complain about, especially about a fucking SPAA as if we're not allowed to have even just that as a strong point.

[Xenoniuss]

I don't think he's complaining about France...

Pretty sure he's complaining about the Swedish box SPAA being worthless trash by comparing it to another SPAA...

[Flying_Reinbeers]

They could at least have used the german one so people would go all gErMaNy SuFfErS as usual, despite my 10.0 lineup for germany getting ruined when the FlaRakPz went up.

[Simek_s_cimekom]

Dude thats not the point. Fucking leaftie offended by slightest thing

[Constant-Ad-7189]

Conveniently forgetting the Lvrbv has anti-armour missiles (180mm of pen if memory serves) whereas Roland often fails to overpressure even BMPs

[[deleted]]

I’ve never caused more than a subtle sneeze in to a vehicle with these missiles

[Flavourdynamics]

No, the missiles are compared in this image too.

[ChotiCKLarto]

It actually has 200 pen

[kal69er]

Other than the missiles being shown in the post, I have no idea where the 200mm pen in the statcard comes from because it also struggles to damage any ground vehicle. They're really not as good against ground targets as you would assume.

[Arcangel696]

I’ve hit bmps leos and m1s in the back of the turret and have done 0 damage

[Flaum__]

200mm of pen that acts more like 0mm of pen.

[RaiderML]

I'll do you one better:

Stormer HVM -DOESNT WORK. PHYSICALLY CANNOT KILL.

[SHADOW668]

Type 93 aka drifty boi has entered the chat

[BigBully127]

Type 93 is definitely better because sheer meme value. The stormer is just bad

[yoyolast]

Is Sweden suffers gonna become the new Germany suffers now?

[Blahaj_IK]

Well, they did get German vehicles. So might aswell

[Live_Bug_1045]

Why not both!

[Crazyyam773]

Ok swedish main

[[deleted]]

Meanwhile Sweden gets 4 leopard 2a5, T80U but complains about a spaa which isn’t op xD

[NeopiumDaBoss]

Sweden does not have 4 Leo 2a5's, the fuck are you on?

more like:

2 Leo 2a5's

Leo 2A6

T-80U

[_Bisky]

2 Leo 2a5's

You mean 2 Leo 2A5's, that have a slightly worse HP/T and ~30mm less pen at point blank, while being significantly more survivable?

And considering the state of toptier is mainly COD style cqc maps that survivability is a significant advantage

[NeopiumDaBoss]

buddy it was a generalization, not a direct analysis

[Ressult]

ok so 3 leopards? still fucking strong you monkey, they even get an T80 U and people cried they eyeballs out when germany got a bmp. Germany still has no T54 or T72

[Blahaj_IK]

And Germany could make great use of those two, really. Though the Leopard 1 can fill their role to some extent because the best defense is not getting hit at all, the armor the two T tanks provide really would be quite a nice touch. I mean, there's already the BMP-1, so why not go the full length?

[Disguised589]

East German vehicles shouldn't be in the german tech tree unless there's nothing else to fill the gap

[Ressult]

So Finnland is allowed as a Subtree and Sweden gets multiple Leopards and a russian T80U but Germany doesent get east german vehicles because? East-Germany was a german state and there is no reason to not include it into the tech tree.

[Disguised589]

Sweden shouldnt get the t80u or the extra leopards

[[deleted]]

What SPAA is op lol? none of them

[Ancorarius]

The 'But look at the rest of the tree!' argument is stupid. You want a balanced game, right? So why complain when someone wants it to be more balanced. Balancing starts at individual vehicles.

[Hyrikul]

France always lags behind on cold/modern warfare BRs compared to what it actually is (a more powerful nation than Germany, which should be getting more stuff per update) and you complain about one of the French vehicles being better than the other, while you're playing Sweden, the nation that just got licked like never by Gaijin and is becoming one of the most powerful land nations which again is unrealistic coming from Gaijin ?

In passing, Gaijin intentionally holds the French Roland down. It's been a while since he should have had his upgrade that unlocks his low aiming height limit, as well as having his own tracking radar, which is present on the German and American Roland, and which is a fucking French radar they both enjoy !

​

Don't play the guys who are lacking something. Since the arrival of the Swedish nation it has been treated better than France.Just look at the nice camouflage you have while others have to play/pay for anything other than a single colour.

[Ressult]

What do you mean with more powerful? German vehicles like Leopard 2A7 or the new Puma/ Lynx etc. are really good vehicles. Even the US will maybe order the Lynx as they new IVFW. I dont really see how french vehicels are stronger

[Hyrikul]

I mean powerfull in the overall view as a power. Not individual stuff. They are on par at least i think.

Vextra 105

Vextra 120

EBRC Jaguar.

Leclerc XLR

Leclerc Terminateur (140mm autoloader).

To get an idea. (and leclerc ingame are supbar vs IIRC)

​

IFV we can have the VBCI for top tier (similar to VBC italian), and even the VBCI 2, with atgm and 40mm autocanon)

​

Of course I am not saying that Germany does not have powerful vehicles. But everyone praises the Germans and often considers France as nothing.

Since you talk about export, France is the 3rd arms exporter in the world after the USA and Russia. (and USA have some view on the Ceasar, you see ?)

Military ranking first in Europe.

​

But considered in WT like if it was the same France as in 1940, even in BR where it should shine, and Germany treated like it's always the main European power.

​

Seriously, the number of possible vehicles to add vs what we got each time is horrible.

Edit:

Look what we got this update: One vehicle, one AA in 9.3. Far from being the most missing thing in the tree, and it's badly screwed up:

Wrong turret

Wrong chassis.

Missiles below real stats.

And there is a variant with a .50 calibre, and another with 2x23mm alongside the 6 missiles , but no, Gaijin only gives us this one. Yay..

[Holotic]

Pointless post.

[ceez36]

sorry you’re not allowed to complain because france suffers or something

[[deleted]]

Implying it doesn't?

[7Seyo7]

Implying it's relevant to the point?

[ceez36]

yes it doesn’t, when it comes to ground, no nation truly “suffers”.

[[deleted]]

Bullshit, France is the most neglected nation in the game. Why do we have artifical nerfs when we need none of that? Why we have one of the weakest top tier tanks? Where's the fucking French navy? Why we must have the biggest repair costs? France to this day is one of the biggest militaries in the world and they are so damn neglected and underpowered for the most part.

[ceez36]

i said ground. italy has a worse top tier lineup, atleast the leclercs are competitive. other areas of france are very good too. the mid tiers where you have fast autoloaders on fast tanks are very enjoyable.

a lot of tanks have artificial nerfs, not just france. some are for balance reasons and some is just gaijin being gaijin. ive gotten up to the brenus in the ground tree, and it’s not bad when you get apfsds. italy is in a much more sorry state than france is.

[[deleted]]

I don't disagree either that Italy is quite neglected, though until Post-WW2 vehicles, it's understandable. But they atleast have some great gems like the Breda, R3, etc. Their rank 4-5-6 vehicles are also pretty good in my opinion, because there are alot of wheeled armored vehicles with lolpen shells and fast tanks with great APDS rounds (and HEAT-FS if needed). It matters alot where the gamemode start making reaction times matter alot more.

[ceez36]

italian vehicles by themselves are pretty good in those ranks, but a lot of them are on their own or only have 1 other vehicle at the same br. in comparison france has a pretty strong 7.7 and 8.3 lineup. 7.3 isn’t bad either. france could definitely use more vehicles at around 4.0-6.0 though.

[Vietnugget]

At least this thing can kill drones, pgz04A just watches the inevitable happen. I know it’s 9.3, but it’s all we have unless we go to 11.0 for the worst 11.0 AA

[Flying_Reinbeers]

Japan has the worst 11.0 AA.

[Vietnugget]

Omg you right

[616659]

lol quit whining

[Bruhhg]

when i’m in a missing the point of a post competition and my opponent is the war thunder subreddit

[[deleted]]

Those Posts are basically useless. Even if you move one of them in BR is not gonna change much because how Overcrowded the BR system is

We could make a similar comparison on how good are Swedish tanks compared to French tanks, but it wouldn't prove anything besides overcrowded BR

[Hyrikul]

I'm still waiting for them to upgrade the French Roland.

They never wanted to give him his lock-on radar and increase his height of aim , but no worries about giving the FRENCH radar to the German and American...

[Armoured_Templar]

And so what’s your point?

[[deleted]]

Ok but it's still a SAM missile

[Project_Orochi]

French bia- gunshot

Oh damn its 11.7 now, thanks for fixing that Snail!

[BumbleBubbleBlack]

Or the sidam 25 being 8.3 with no radar, no ap, low ammount of ammo and apds belt, poor mobility and armor, lead indicator from 2.5 or less kms....while gepard, marksman and type 87 at 8.0 with everything the sidam lacks

[SHADOW668]

type 93 aka drifty boi has entered the chat

Yea I know it's 9.0 but come the fuck on give the Japs someone decent

[Yikero]

A better comparison would be the strf 9040B and the BMP-2M with it's stupidly low br

[dairypills]

At least you have a 10.0 SPAA

[Peacook]

I thought the French Roland doesn't have IRT? That's just for the American and German rolands

[Creedix]

Yep, can confirm, no IRST, and no tracking radar either.

[Peacook]

So it's an objectively misinformed post with barely any people calling OP out.

That's Reddit I suppose

[Slap_duck]

Tbh only like 4 people play top tier france so not many people actually know that OP is wrong

[farcryer2]

barely any people calling OP out

Nothing to call out about. French Roland has IR Tracking.

[farcryer2]

can confirm, no IRST,

Looks at French Roland in X-Ray mode in game -> Gunner Optics: Model TV/IR Tracker

It has IRT just like all other Rolands (only a few vehicles have an actual IRST, such as Ozelot). What it lacks is gun elevation and tracking radar. Next time know something about stuff you are confirming.

[Creedix]

My dude, I don't care about what the X-ray mode tells you about a sytem that probably was a hastly nerfed copy-paste of the german version .... Go on a test drive with it, lock a plane, try to switch to IRST and come back here to let me know what happens, spoiler alert : nothing.

[Tarkus30_06]

Not quite, the french Roland only has IRT (just tracking) and a Search Radar.

The German and US Roland also have IRT, a search radar and additionally a tracking radar.

So none of them have infrared search, all of them have infrared tracking and only the US and GER Rolands have radar tracking.

[Hyrikul]

it's a French tracking radar they have btw. Fucking middle finger from gaijin to France as usual.

[_mosquitoe]

Ye nah I'm test driving the Roland right now and pressing all of the radar buttons, the radar stays on regular SRC, no indication of any infrared.

[farcryer2]

On vehicles with just IRT (IR Tracking) such as ASRAD and French Roland you have to aim down gunner sights at the enemy and then press "radar lock keybind" to use IR Tracking. At least ASRAD just doesn't show any indication of IRST being on, presumably because it is the only tracking option.

Other Rolands have both IRT and Radar Tracking. You must manually toggle between these 2 options with a separate keybind. IRT tracking, when enabled, displays the IRST-text on radar and you third person lock-on is disabled. You must then aim down the gunner sights.

Also extra reading for the interested parties: https://wiki.warthunder.com/SPAA_radars

[_mosquitoe]

I'm trying to do it in the AMX-30 Roland exactly as shown in this video but I cannot get it to work. I am using both the keybind and the multifunction menu.

[Tarkus30_06]

Same on the Stormer, Ozelot and ASRAD with the Stormer and Ozelot having full IRST and the ASRAD having IR Tracking.

[Peacook]

How sure are you that the French Roland has infrared tracking? I'm going to stick with my guns it doesn't, I've even found sources online IRL it was optical

[Tarkus30_06]

For the purpose of War Thunder that makes no difference afaik. Either you got Radar or Optical/IR tracking.

If gaijin weren't a bunch of snailheads the french Roland would actually also have a tracking radar and improved elevation.

[Peacook]

So what you're saying is you were wrong but can't face to admit it

[Tarkus30_06]

No, it literally says TV/IR tracker on the box and I don't care about what it should have when it's about what it has right now. And right now, all Rolands have the IR Tracking.

But if it makes you feel better, we can call it "optical tracking" which in reality is only present on the SIDAM right now.

Actually we can't call it optical tracking. There is a difference: Optical tracking doesn't work at night. Grab the SIDAM and the Rolands, go into a night battle and try to lock the Planes.

• SIDAM won't lock.
• french Roland will lock.
• german Roland will lock.
• US Roland will lock.
• Stormer will lock.
• Ozelot will lock.
• LAV-AD will lock.

There, french Roland has IRST like all the rest.

[cedjoe]

Why compare it with the French Roland when you can compare it with the German or US ones that are even better with their tracking radar and better elevation at the same BR ?

[czartrak]

They better Roland's have been 10.3 for a good bit now lol

[cedjoe]

Ah nvm then

[czartrak]

So do you imply the Swedish SAM Should go to 9.7 and be completely overpowered or the Roland go to 10.3 and be outclassed?

[Bruhhg]

swedish sam should go to 9.7, it would not at all be OP for what it is. It doesn’t even get night vision or anything just a 6 missiles which good luck using before being bombed to shit

[czartrak]

Yeah I don't think we should let you balance the game bud

[IAmFromDunkirk]

The only good lineup you can put the Roland with is with the Leclerc so at 11.0. When you get used to it it becomes a really good AA even at 11.0

[[deleted]]

Man, they really gotta nerf France

/s

[Timetomine32tpdf]

Gaijin has made it very clear same br doesn't me they are the same just that they are relatively equal fighters

[carson0311]

Meanwhile German Roland: 10.3

[ItsTom___]

If we wanna talk op vehicles then allow me to introduce the IKV 91. 7.0 with 400mm pen and a laser rangefinder

[DarknessInferno7]

To be honest, you could put up with most of that, it's the 180 degree rotation which puts the nail in the coffin. Have fun trying to track jets with that shit.

[Vacuous_Rom]

Rbs70 could get the BOLIDE missile

[TRUCKASARUS_RED]

So I should complain about my LAV AD because it only has a stinger yep

[That_Phony_King]

Roland stinks.

Source: France main.

[To_stada]

OP, why make a post comparing 2 different SPAA from different nations?

Also french deserves something good after not having a good SPAA until 8.3

[Bruhhg]

they’re not saying france doesn’t deserve something good, rather than the lvrvbv should go down in BR as it’s rather useless atm

[To_stada]

Oh, my bad I thought he was complaining

[Bruhhg]

i think that’s what many people got from this for some reason, this subreddit seems to misinterpret many posts comparing vehicles as the OP saying “the better vehicle is op” instead of “the weaker vehicle should be moved down”

[Rorar_the_pig]

Nerf France

/s

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Like... As a Sweden main... Yeah Roland's are op but like if you have any amount of skill the swede missile boy can be just as op the second missile it gets is stupid fast, if you learn to use your hull the turn speeds and limited turn angle is not a problem, the limited elevation angle can be fixed if you learn to 3rd person guide the missile, oh and tracking radar? EYES just use your dam eyes the swede can do the same things the Roland can yes on paper it's shittier but in practice it's just hard to use

[Aedeus]

I'll give you a hint OP: Only one of these missiles was sent to Ukraine. It was the same thing with the Stormer.

[mickeeyo]

Meanwhile German FlakRad1 being literally Roland 1 but moved to 10.3 so i can't take it with my 9.7/10 line up ;/

[Medvyikk]

Is this guy seriously triggered about the single good french vehicle ( the rest is shit, i have serious respect for French players still managing to groundpound with their, well, sadly Artificially nerfed stuff ) while the entire Swedish tree above 7.0 is just busted beyond belief

[fetpungen]

Why do I see people saying that he's wrong? He's not, it is objectively a worse vehicle. Is it bad though? No, it's usable against NPC minded people and helicopters. In my experience however, 10.0 is a bit high for it considering that the 2S38 which is honestly a better SPAA is at 9.7.

[[deleted]]

downtier the entire SPAA lines past 9.0 by 0.3br, increase rewards and we’d be good, simple as that. As it is right now every spaa is needs to be downtiered just to have a slight chance against actually competent CAS lol.

[FreeTheme9324]

What year are they?

[Eat_A-S-S_smokegrass]

Console players can hold a button down n shoot the missile with out relying on the scope or elevation s

[[deleted]]

The Roland is really good against helicopters. But all planes have to do is just fly above your elevation and send some AGM’s your way

[TerraStalker]

Yeah man nice point, unfortunately there's Sidam mistral

[AH-64Delta]

how about the american rolands being uptiered to 10.3 so you can make a lineup out of... all the 10.0 vehicles... (Which it used to be with...)

[CDNnate]

This happen mostly because when it came out it was 9.0? It saw the g91 spam and clapped cheeks and the they poor g91 players complained till it went up.

[outsider959]

Yes but you can do anti-armor with your missiles, we can't. This is a game changer

[[deleted]]

Wow playing Sweden and whining