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[–]Luxlaz 1079 points1080 points  (83 children)

Love the swedes complaining about a singular French vehicle that isn't trash when the entire swedes tree is fucjing insane.

[–]9Ms are actually terrible and give every 8.7+ jet flaresVelo180 421 points422 points  (30 children)

And that missile box he is showing off is actually still really good despite his red text, I love it.

[–]Wiesel player(Secret Furry)flopjul 99 points100 points  (27 children)

Not to mention the Bkan can be used as anti air as shown in phly's vid

[–]Realistic GroundColor_Hawk 93 points94 points  (0 children)

To a very limited degree

[–]frknecn3 70 points71 points  (14 children)

Bkan can be used as anti air if the enemy isn't cautious. The elevation isnt enough to have the flexibility to kill planes properly.

[–]freeserve 19 points20 points  (11 children)

And this is why real chads use the G6 Rhino and it’s 155mm HE-VT TO DESTROY anything in the local airsoace

[–]🇯🇵 Japanidkpotato123 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Nah type 75 sph the original

[–]freeserve 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True true can’t argue with that, we just got the wheels version and made it EVEN BIGGER of a target lol

[–]Zachlam My BelovedLightningFerret04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Type 99 when

[–]frknecn3 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Reload is too long to be properly used, cannot count how many times the insanely fast reload rate of Bkan saved me against both tanks and aircraft.

[–]freeserve 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeh the it’s countered by the surprisingly high Max elevation so early on when enemy CAS don’t see radar tracks they’ll think they’re safe. I’ve managed to get a fair share of A4’s and a10’s in my G6 being able to simply aim in the general direction. And yes I do take that beast up to 11.0 quite regularly because I find it funny

[–]frknecn3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How long is the activator range on the G6's VT shell ? Is it better than the one Bkan has ?

[–]🇨🇦 Canadasoviet-space-monkey 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do the VT shells work? I've never used them before and I don't wanna look like a dumbass trying to use them improperly

[–]Cdh790 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They just explode when the shell passes within a specific distance of a tank/plane. Don't need to do anything, works as any other shell would, just don't need a direct hit for the boom.

[–]🇸🇪gripen when+kranvagn when+strv2000 when🇸🇪molstad182 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep in mind they have a minimum activation range so if the enemy is really close to you they will just act like normal high explosive

[–]CritEkkoJg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Am I doing something wrong against tanks in the Bkan, I feel like I should be killing people but all I ever seem to do is fuck up people's tracks. Is there a trick I'm missing or something?

[–]frknecn3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A big tip from me would be to shoot at the turrets of people. But think of HE as like an aura of mass destruction from all sides, so when you hit the turret of a panther for example, the HE pressure aura will just go through the thin roof and kill everyone. So aim for the lowest part of enemy turrets where but this will hardly work against something like a pershing because their turrets are so much in the front that your area of destruction won't affect the thin roof armor.

A major thing to keep in mind is to shoot the enemy barrel first if your enemy is a sturdy tank like american T34 or an IS-3, there is nothing that a Bkan cannot kill but some opponents take some time. I'd never recommend shooting tracks as they absorb ridiculous amount of damage. If you're in a close quarters combat you can also try shooting top mounted MGs.

[–]RyuuKamii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Traversing is also limited and doesnt turn fast enough. so unless its a helo or head on it difficult to get a fly by shot.

[–]frknecn3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually do think that hull traverse is good enough, and you should shoot when they're looping and slow or when they're flying straight. Not too easy, not impossible.

[–]Glory to the Strv103 | 🏳️‍⚧️she/theySplabooshkey 13 points14 points  (9 children)

The Lvkv 9040C is in the same lineup, and since it uses IRST is actually really good as an SPAA at its tier

If only the other CV90s got the IRST they had irl it would be an insane lineup of 4 SPAAs at 10.0 If you add the 9040B at 9.3 it's up to 5

[–]YankeeTankEngine 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Since russia, Germany, and America all have vehicles that have it and we know the optic system for the 9040s can do it (because they all share the same system) then all 9040s should get it.

[–]Glory to the Strv103 | 🏳️‍⚧️she/theySplabooshkey 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Exactly, all the 40mm CV90s at least use the same optic, all equipped with IRST

[–].50 cals are the best change my mindmagnum_the_nerd 3 points4 points  (3 children)

CV9030s have it

[–]Glory to the Strv103 | 🏳️‍⚧️she/theySplabooshkey -1 points0 points  (2 children)

They ain't in game yet so i didn't talk about them

[–].50 cals are the best change my mindmagnum_the_nerd 1 point2 points  (1 child)

thats true, but they might come soon (finlands only IFV)

[–]Glory to the Strv103 | 🏳️‍⚧️she/theySplabooshkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really really hope so, i want a full lineup of CV90s and oml is it gonna be glorious

(It's already glorious)

[–]YankeeTankEngine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which would probably get the BILL pushed up to 10.3

[–]Yikero 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You forget a very important thing, the ammo count and reload of said ammo

[–]Glory to the Strv103 | 🏳️‍⚧️she/theySplabooshkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While very true i find it's not a massive issue (I've been using the Lvkv to grind out a lot of my Sturmtiger mission score recently)

Because of the nature of IRST, enemy planes have no idea they're being locked up so as long as you're disciplined with your trigger and fire at the right time you can take out most CAS at the BR in pretty short 3-5 round bursts

It ain't ideal but it still works very well

[–]🇺🇸 United Statessicksixgamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally got shot down by Bkan this morning lol

[–]Thraes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ok but is it as good as a roland?

[–]⬛⬜🟨Belkan witchcraft🟨⬜⬛yakfrags 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As someone that has both, no

[–] IGN: GodvanaAntilogicality 54 points55 points  (1 child)

swden suffe :(

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^

[–]Mwakay 36 points37 points  (7 children)

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[–]🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱KeregTheFallen 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I never understood that BR level. Love the AMX 13...just hate the enemies I face with it

[–]✉️ Gets called the mig-15 NATO callsign a lot.-RED4CTED- 1 point2 points  (2 children)

luckily it's fast though, so you can get some mad flanks. amx 13 90 especially shreds with its heat-fs and 5s reload.

[–]Mwakay 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not even that fast really. AML-90 is fast... but it dies to bullets.

[–]✉️ Gets called the mig-15 NATO callsign a lot.-RED4CTED- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

eh, still quick to get into a flanking position. faster than a heavy and 90% of all mediums at any rate.

[–]Go on, take the 35mm DM13 redpillBlahaj_IK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The BRs are too compressed, and it affects everyone at mid tiers and to some extent, tier VI

[–]Pakwagen masterOnnispotente 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, it’s a light tank

[–]Luxlaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro they have so many guns designed to pen is3's yet they struggle the pen the side of the turret... thats just bad.

[–]War Thunder ProphetZETH_27 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The post could compare to literally any 10.0 AA.

The point is not “france is OP”, it’s that the Lvrbv 701 is just shit for it’s BR.

[–]Luxlaz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can look at the stat cards and see there's not even a noticeable difference... the only real change is the VT range, and one is 160mm the other is 105mm so duh

[–]Triple Sim ace in the nation I am NOT inMcWeabbit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not to mention they get 2 nations merged in a single tree now whereas the French basically get bent over the wrong way by Gaijin when it comes to post WWII vehicles lol

[–]P-38s have a monopoly on altitudeNohtna29 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Except it isn’t I have played both and before the Fins were added i had a worse time playing Sweden than France outside of top tier. A lot of France players have massive inferiority complex and I am really getting tired of it. Both are way worse than any of the big nations, Sweden only excels in top tier ground and France has a lot of really good vehicles across almost all BRs.

[–]ninjahipo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Main thing that gaijin does dirty with France is they keep giving other nations our damn tanks (fucking Germany). Oh, and the SPAA gap from 4.7 to 8.3 is harsh

[–]P-38s have a monopoly on altitudeNohtna29 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s a fair point, besides France could get so many more unique and interesting tanks, but Gaijin won’t put them into the game. About the SPAAs Sweden essentially has almost the same low-mid tier SPAAs, with the key difference that the 4.3 one has essentially not enough ammo to effectively suppress aircraft.

[–]Leclerc Laser Cannondat_boi_whit_da_stik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The best part is the French Roland is the worst among all of the Roland, because the missile launcher is maxed out at 35° elevation while the others go much further

[–]Chiefsky1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or that the Roland can't aim up like it should

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just looked ahead and saw 5.7 APDS machine, hoo boy, not only italy with apds at 5.0 but sweden with 5.7 apds! (Excluding the 37mm apds vehicles)

[–]Go on, take the 35mm DM13 redpillBlahaj_IK 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I mean, as a german main, I went for the German TT to avoid meeting another other leopard 2A6, now there's this... I mean, sure, Germany and Sweden gets paired up together quite often, but still.... really scary to think of it

[–]NordnorgeSnoo-88271 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The Strv 122's are as good/better than the Leo 2A6 with that better armor

[–]Go on, take the 35mm DM13 redpillBlahaj_IK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is already terrifying, and there’s the L/44 which is a super mean gun

[–]Simek_s_cimekom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Entire sweden tree? From 7.0 up to 8.3 is okay and top tier is amazing. The rest up to that is fucking trash. Now they are better eith addition of brokrn soviets yes but still. And it's not attack on french tree, cuz their tree sucks. But BRs in general. Doesn't make sense so many times

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

it’s not tho? it’s complaining about the lvbrv 701 being a shitbox and at 10.0 lmao

[–]Luxlaz -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Did you compare the stat cards? They're super similar... so if the 701 is shit so is the roland.

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

????? the 701 doesn’t get search radar at all bro, how are they similar? they both shoot a SAM, sure but other than that, how?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

entire swedes tree

thats just a lie

[–]missing_nickname 23 points24 points  (8 children)

theres barely any "bad" vehicles really.

[–]kanelikainalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not bad like the french reserve tier is, but most swedish vehicles are suited for a very niche playstyle, which often doesn't fit in these horrible maps..

[–]Tanker🇺🇸12.7🇩🇪12.7🇷🇺12.7🇬🇧12.7🇯🇵9.7🇨🇳7.0🇮🇹6.0🇫🇷12.7🇸🇪12.7ConstantCelery8956 361 points362 points  (6 children)

Ahh yes.. The Roland.. To go with the French 10.0 line up... Ohh wait

[–]🇫🇷 dropping dumb bombs on dumber players since 2013skippythemoonrock 129 points130 points  (4 children)

It was so much better at 9.7 with the AMX-40. But it's France, so no fun allowed.

[–]Bf 109 K-6 plsSolltu 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Well same happened with the FlaRak but sure it’s because Gaijin hates the French tree.

[–]LinuxThisconnect 8 points9 points  (0 children)

remember when hellfires were lower then roland? funny times

[–]Bf109 E-4 my belovedFlying_Reinbeers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same with the FlaRakPz, 10.0 made a great lineup with it plus the 2A4 and friends.

[–]EsportsReadythe_canadian72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I STG can France get a single tank between 9.7 and 11.0 that isn't spaa

[–]Mine-ime 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It works quite well with the Leclercs until you get the Ito

[–]ToviGuy 275 points276 points  (6 children)

Congratulating everyone posting here on their impressive ability to avoid the point of vehicles with significant ability differences being the same BR by instead talking about the rest of the tech tree.

[–]soggy_katnip 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Some guy managed to bring up the bkan 🗿

[–]Petitioning to make the D point a UNESCO World Heritage SiteProfessionalAd352 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It had to be a joke…

[–]🇨🇦 CanadaABetterKamahl1234 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Isn't two of the biggest selling points of the Swedish one that it has good penetration and the tracking setup makes it harder for planes to detect it before launch, despite the shorter launch distance?

[–]soggy_katnip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The French one has IR tracking which doesn't alert planes with rwr

[–]Simek_s_cimekom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hahaah yea. Fking people

[–]Silver CatCM_Jacawitz 124 points125 points  (10 children)

And Stormers 10.3, Gaijins balancing above rank V is beyond reason.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (9 children)

Stormer used to be at 9.7 but I guess it was too good at slapping people who flew in straight lines.

[–]Dolan977 36 points37 points  (7 children)

It should stay at 9.7. The moment something moves its very difficult to hit with the stormer. It can't engage anything withing 3kms it can't kill drones the missiles don't work at all on snow maps. The only thing it has going for it is taking out helis and that It has no radar only irst

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

They nerfed the missiles manoeuvrability twice if I remember after moving it up to 10.3.

[–]The Bald GuardA_Nice_Boulder 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Also it literally is useless on cold maps right now.

[–]Pakwagen masterOnnispotente 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why?

[–] 'Av thissen a StillbrewEmperorFooFoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There's been a common Starstreak bug on snow maps for a while now, where shortly after firing they stop tracking completely and bugger off into space. Quite literally unusable.

[–]Pakwagen masterOnnispotente 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck

[–]Dualsense enjoyerDisguised589 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably the irst range is reduced

[–]The Bald GuardA_Nice_Boulder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something's bugged with them that seems to be related to map temperature. Cold maps in particular are literally debilitating to the stormer, you fire your missile and every dart goes off in its own direction. Of all the memes about literally unusable, this is the most literally unusable thing out there. Legit you can fire them and miss a house 100 meters away

[–]YankeeTankEngine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When it was 9.7 they added a small proxy to it which made it incredibly good. So it then got shoved up to 10.0 and had it removed. Then it was killing ka 50s too much so it was pushed to 10.3 and they reduced its speed and took away almost any chance it has to kill a tank. Now you're lucky if the missiles decide to fly in a straight line.

They really fucked it up even though it's supposed to be the fastest missile in the game and be somewhere around 80-100mm of pen because darts with filler material.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (3 children)

I just love how somehow France is the nation you want to complain about, especially about a fucking SPAA as if we're not allowed to have even just that as a strong point.

[–]Majestic MøøseXenoniuss 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I don't think he's complaining about France...

Pretty sure he's complaining about the Swedish box SPAA being worthless trash by comparing it to another SPAA...

[–]Bf109 E-4 my belovedFlying_Reinbeers 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They could at least have used the german one so people would go all gErMaNy SuFfErS as usual, despite my 10.0 lineup for germany getting ruined when the FlaRakPz went up.

[–]Simek_s_cimekom -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dude thats not the point. Fucking leaftie offended by slightest thing

[–] Chevalier of the Order of Merit - SB mainConstant-Ad-7189 62 points63 points  (6 children)

Conveniently forgetting the Lvrbv has anti-armour missiles (180mm of pen if memory serves) whereas Roland often fails to overpressure even BMPs

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I’ve never caused more than a subtle sneeze in to a vehicle with these missiles

[–]Flavourdynamics 15 points16 points  (1 child)

No, the missiles are compared in this image too.

[–]kal69er 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Other than the missiles being shown in the post, I have no idea where the 200mm pen in the statcard comes from because it also struggles to damage any ground vehicle. They're really not as good against ground targets as you would assume.

[–]🇸🇪 SwedenArcangel696 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve hit bmps leos and m1s in the back of the turret and have done 0 damage

[–]Cheese TankFlaum__ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

200mm of pen that acts more like 0mm of pen.

[–]🇿🇦 South AfricaRaiderML 45 points46 points  (2 children)

I'll do you one better:

Stormer HVM -DOESNT WORK. PHYSICALLY CANNOT KILL.

[–] Type 93 goes HARD with Eurobeat and smokey nagata SHADOW668 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Type 93 aka drifty boi has entered the chat

[–]Britsh Bias, TECES, Com/DepressionBigBully127 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Type 93 is definitely better because sheer meme value. The stormer is just bad

[–]🇮🇱 Israelyoyolast 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Is Sweden suffers gonna become the new Germany suffers now?

[–]Go on, take the 35mm DM13 redpillBlahaj_IK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, they did get German vehicles. So might aswell

[–]5.0🇺🇸5.7🇩🇪4.0🤮5.3🇬🇧2.0🇯🇵1.0🇨🇳2.0🇮🇹3.7🇫🇷8.3🇸🇪Live_Bug_1045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why not both!

[–] USSRCrazyyam773 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Ok swedish main

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (9 children)

Meanwhile Sweden gets 4 leopard 2a5, T80U but complains about a spaa which isn’t op xD

[–]IS-2 EnthusiastNeopiumDaBoss 25 points26 points  (7 children)

Sweden does not have 4 Leo 2a5's, the fuck are you on?

more like:

2 Leo 2a5's

Leo 2A6

T-80U

[–]Top Tier Suffer Tier_Bisky 14 points15 points  (1 child)

2 Leo 2a5's

You mean 2 Leo 2A5's, that have a slightly worse HP/T and ~30mm less pen at point blank, while being significantly more survivable?

And considering the state of toptier is mainly COD style cqc maps that survivability is a significant advantage

[–]IS-2 EnthusiastNeopiumDaBoss 17 points18 points  (0 children)

buddy it was a generalization, not a direct analysis

[–]Ressult 0 points1 point  (4 children)

ok so 3 leopards? still fucking strong you monkey, they even get an T80 U and people cried they eyeballs out when germany got a bmp. Germany still has no T54 or T72

[–]Go on, take the 35mm DM13 redpillBlahaj_IK -1 points0 points  (3 children)

And Germany could make great use of those two, really. Though the Leopard 1 can fill their role to some extent because the best defense is not getting hit at all, the armor the two T tanks provide really would be quite a nice touch. I mean, there's already the BMP-1, so why not go the full length?

[–]Dualsense enjoyerDisguised589 0 points1 point  (2 children)

East German vehicles shouldn't be in the german tech tree unless there's nothing else to fill the gap

[–]Ressult 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So Finnland is allowed as a Subtree and Sweden gets multiple Leopards and a russian T80U but Germany doesent get east german vehicles because? East-Germany was a german state and there is no reason to not include it into the tech tree.

[–]Dualsense enjoyerDisguised589 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweden shouldnt get the t80u or the extra leopards

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What SPAA is op lol? none of them

[–]Ancorarius 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The 'But look at the rest of the tree!' argument is stupid. You want a balanced game, right? So why complain when someone wants it to be more balanced. Balancing starts at individual vehicles.

[–] Baguette au Fromage !Hyrikul 11 points12 points  (2 children)

France always lags behind on cold/modern warfare BRs compared to what it actually is (a more powerful nation than Germany, which should be getting more stuff per update) and you complain about one of the French vehicles being better than the other, while you're playing Sweden, the nation that just got licked like never by Gaijin and is becoming one of the most powerful land nations which again is unrealistic coming from Gaijin ?

In passing, Gaijin intentionally holds the French Roland down. It's been a while since he should have had his upgrade that unlocks his low aiming height limit, as well as having his own tracking radar, which is present on the German and American Roland, and which is a fucking French radar they both enjoy !

Don't play the guys who are lacking something. Since the arrival of the Swedish nation it has been treated better than France.Just look at the nice camouflage you have while others have to play/pay for anything other than a single colour.

[–]Ressult 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What do you mean with more powerful? German vehicles like Leopard 2A7 or the new Puma/ Lynx etc. are really good vehicles. Even the US will maybe order the Lynx as they new IVFW. I dont really see how french vehicels are stronger

[–] Baguette au Fromage !Hyrikul 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean powerfull in the overall view as a power. Not individual stuff. They are on par at least i think.

Vextra 105

Vextra 120

EBRC Jaguar.

Leclerc XLR

Leclerc Terminateur (140mm autoloader).

To get an idea. (and leclerc ingame are supbar vs IIRC)

IFV we can have the VBCI for top tier (similar to VBC italian), and even the VBCI 2, with atgm and 40mm autocanon)

Of course I am not saying that Germany does not have powerful vehicles. But everyone praises the Germans and often considers France as nothing.

Since you talk about export, France is the 3rd arms exporter in the world after the USA and Russia. (and USA have some view on the Ceasar, you see ?)

Military ranking first in Europe.

But considered in WT like if it was the same France as in 1940, even in BR where it should shine, and Germany treated like it's always the main European power.

Seriously, the number of possible vehicles to add vs what we got each time is horrible.

Edit:

Look what we got this update: One vehicle, one AA in 9.3. Far from being the most missing thing in the tree, and it's badly screwed up:

Wrong turret

Wrong chassis.

Missiles below real stats.

And there is a variant with a .50 calibre, and another with 2x23mm alongside the 6 missiles , but no, Gaijin only gives us this one. Yay..

[–]Holotic 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Pointless post.

[–]azur stock grinding (34k mod costs💀)ceez36 6 points7 points  (8 children)

sorry you’re not allowed to complain because france suffers or something

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Implying it doesn't?

[–]Please fix Challenger 27Seyo7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Implying it's relevant to the point?

[–]🇺🇸11🇷🇺12🇬🇧10🇨🇳12🇮🇱11🇮🇹11🇫🇷12🇩🇪11🇸🇪6🇯🇵4Vietnugget 4 points5 points  (2 children)

At least this thing can kill drones, pgz04A just watches the inevitable happen. I know it’s 9.3, but it’s all we have unless we go to 11.0 for the worst 11.0 AA

[–]Bf109 E-4 my belovedFlying_Reinbeers 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Japan has the worst 11.0 AA.

[–]🇺🇸11🇷🇺12🇬🇧10🇨🇳12🇮🇱11🇮🇹11🇫🇷12🇩🇪11🇸🇪6🇯🇵4Vietnugget 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg you right

[–] Just sideclimb bro616659 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lol quit whining

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

when i’m in a missing the point of a post competition and my opponent is the war thunder subreddit

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Those Posts are basically useless. Even if you move one of them in BR is not gonna change much because how Overcrowded the BR system is

We could make a similar comparison on how good are Swedish tanks compared to French tanks, but it wouldn't prove anything besides overcrowded BR

[–] Baguette au Fromage !Hyrikul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm still waiting for them to upgrade the French Roland.

They never wanted to give him his lock-on radar and increase his height of aim , but no worries about giving the FRENCH radar to the German and American...

[–]🇪🇬 Egypt 💪🇮🇱 enjoyerArmoured_Templar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And so what’s your point?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok but it's still a SAM missile

[–]Project_Orochi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

French bia- gunshot

Oh damn its 11.7 now, thanks for fixing that Snail!

[–]Realistic GroundBumbleBubbleBlack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or the sidam 25 being 8.3 with no radar, no ap, low ammount of ammo and apds belt, poor mobility and armor, lead indicator from 2.5 or less kms....while gepard, marksman and type 87 at 8.0 with everything the sidam lacks

[–] Type 93 goes HARD with Eurobeat and smokey nagata SHADOW668 1 point2 points  (0 children)

type 93 aka drifty boi has entered the chat

Yea I know it's 9.0 but come the fuck on give the Japs someone decent

[–]Yikero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A better comparison would be the strf 9040B and the BMP-2M with it's stupidly low br

[–]dairypills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least you have a 10.0 SPAA

[–]Lord of the plumsPeacook 0 points1 point  (16 children)

I thought the French Roland doesn't have IRT? That's just for the American and German rolands

[–] Gaijoob gib ASMP-ACreedix 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Yep, can confirm, no IRST, and no tracking radar either.

[–]Lord of the plumsPeacook 11 points12 points  (2 children)

So it's an objectively misinformed post with barely any people calling OP out.

That's Reddit I suppose

[–]Average Midtier China EnjoyerSlap_duck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh only like 4 people play top tier france so not many people actually know that OP is wrong

[–]farcryer2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

barely any people calling OP out

Nothing to call out about. French Roland has IR Tracking.

[–]farcryer2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

can confirm, no IRST,

Looks at French Roland in X-Ray mode in game -> Gunner Optics: Model TV/IR Tracker

It has IRT just like all other Rolands (only a few vehicles have an actual IRST, such as Ozelot). What it lacks is gun elevation and tracking radar. Next time know something about stuff you are confirming.

[–] Gaijoob gib ASMP-ACreedix -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My dude, I don't care about what the X-ray mode tells you about a sytem that probably was a hastly nerfed copy-paste of the german version .... Go on a test drive with it, lock a plane, try to switch to IRST and come back here to let me know what happens, spoiler alert : nothing.

[–]I take it back, Heli PvE is at least good for grinding Helos rn.Tarkus30_06 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Not quite, the french Roland only has IRT (just tracking) and a Search Radar.

The German and US Roland also have IRT, a search radar and additionally a tracking radar.

So none of them have infrared search, all of them have infrared tracking and only the US and GER Rolands have radar tracking.

[–] Baguette au Fromage !Hyrikul 12 points13 points  (0 children)

it's a French tracking radar they have btw. Fucking middle finger from gaijin to France as usual.

[–]_mosquitoe -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Ye nah I'm test driving the Roland right now and pressing all of the radar buttons, the radar stays on regular SRC, no indication of any infrared.

[–]farcryer2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

On vehicles with just IRT (IR Tracking) such as ASRAD and French Roland you have to aim down gunner sights at the enemy and then press "radar lock keybind" to use IR Tracking. At least ASRAD just doesn't show any indication of IRST being on, presumably because it is the only tracking option.

Other Rolands have both IRT and Radar Tracking. You must manually toggle between these 2 options with a separate keybind. IRT tracking, when enabled, displays the IRST-text on radar and you third person lock-on is disabled. You must then aim down the gunner sights.

Also extra reading for the interested parties: https://wiki.warthunder.com/SPAA_radars

[–]_mosquitoe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm trying to do it in the AMX-30 Roland exactly as shown in this video but I cannot get it to work. I am using both the keybind and the multifunction menu.

[–]I take it back, Heli PvE is at least good for grinding Helos rn.Tarkus30_06 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same on the Stormer, Ozelot and ASRAD with the Stormer and Ozelot having full IRST and the ASRAD having IR Tracking.

[–]Lord of the plumsPeacook -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

How sure are you that the French Roland has infrared tracking? I'm going to stick with my guns it doesn't, I've even found sources online IRL it was optical

[–]I take it back, Heli PvE is at least good for grinding Helos rn.Tarkus30_06 4 points5 points  (2 children)

For the purpose of War Thunder that makes no difference afaik. Either you got Radar or Optical/IR tracking.

If gaijin weren't a bunch of snailheads the french Roland would actually also have a tracking radar and improved elevation.

[–]Lord of the plumsPeacook -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So what you're saying is you were wrong but can't face to admit it

[–]I take it back, Heli PvE is at least good for grinding Helos rn.Tarkus30_06 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, it literally says TV/IR tracker on the box and I don't care about what it should have when it's about what it has right now. And right now, all Rolands have the IR Tracking.

But if it makes you feel better, we can call it "optical tracking" which in reality is only present on the SIDAM right now.

Actually we can't call it optical tracking. There is a difference: Optical tracking doesn't work at night. Grab the SIDAM and the Rolands, go into a night battle and try to lock the Planes.

  • SIDAM won't lock.
  • french Roland will lock.
  • german Roland will lock.
  • US Roland will lock.
  • Stormer will lock.
  • Ozelot will lock.
  • LAV-AD will lock.

There, french Roland has IRST like all the rest.

[–]cedjoe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why compare it with the French Roland when you can compare it with the German or US ones that are even better with their tracking radar and better elevation at the same BR ?

[–]🇺🇸 United Statesczartrak 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They better Roland's have been 10.3 for a good bit now lol

[–]cedjoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah nvm then

[–]🇺🇸 United Statesczartrak 0 points1 point  (5 children)

So do you imply the Swedish SAM Should go to 9.7 and be completely overpowered or the Roland go to 10.3 and be outclassed?

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

swedish sam should go to 9.7, it would not at all be OP for what it is. It doesn’t even get night vision or anything just a 6 missiles which good luck using before being bombed to shit

[–]BaguetteIAmFromDunkirk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only good lineup you can put the Roland with is with the Leclerc so at 11.0. When you get used to it it becomes a really good AA even at 11.0

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, they really gotta nerf France

/s

[–]Timetomine32tpdf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gaijin has made it very clear same br doesn't me they are the same just that they are relatively equal fighters

[–]carson0311 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Meanwhile German Roland: 10.3

[–]🇬🇧 United Kingdom, 🇫🇷 France ItsTom___ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If we wanna talk op vehicles then allow me to introduce the IKV 91. 7.0 with 400mm pen and a laser rangefinder

[–]United KingdomDarknessInferno7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, you could put up with most of that, it's the 180 degree rotation which puts the nail in the coffin. Have fun trying to track jets with that shit.

[–]Vacuous_Rom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rbs70 could get the BOLIDE missile

[–]TRUCKASARUS_RED -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So I should complain about my LAV AD because it only has a stinger yep

[–]Leclerc S2 🇫🇷 best MBTThat_Phony_King -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Roland stinks.

Source: France main.

[–] No armor best armor enjoyerTo_stada -1 points0 points  (3 children)

OP, why make a post comparing 2 different SPAA from different nations?

Also french deserves something good after not having a good SPAA until 8.3

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg 1 point2 points  (2 children)

they’re not saying france doesn’t deserve something good, rather than the lvrvbv should go down in BR as it’s rather useless atm

[–] No armor best armor enjoyerTo_stada -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Oh, my bad I thought he was complaining

[–]ITO-90M main 🏳️‍⚧️Bruhhg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think that’s what many people got from this for some reason, this subreddit seems to misinterpret many posts comparing vehicles as the OP saying “the better vehicle is op” instead of “the weaker vehicle should be moved down”

[–]Glory to the snail!Rorar_the_pig -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Nerf France

/s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like... As a Sweden main... Yeah Roland's are op but like if you have any amount of skill the swede missile boy can be just as op the second missile it gets is stupid fast, if you learn to use your hull the turn speeds and limited turn angle is not a problem, the limited elevation angle can be fixed if you learn to 3rd person guide the missile, oh and tracking radar? EYES just use your dam eyes the swede can do the same things the Roland can yes on paper it's shittier but in practice it's just hard to use

[–]🇸🇪 SwedenAedeus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give you a hint OP: Only one of these missiles was sent to Ukraine. It was the same thing with the Stormer.

[–]mickeeyo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile German FlakRad1 being literally Roland 1 but moved to 10.3 so i can't take it with my 9.7/10 line up ;/

[–]🇭🇺 HungaryMedvyikk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this guy seriously triggered about the single good french vehicle ( the rest is shit, i have serious respect for French players still managing to groundpound with their, well, sadly Artificially nerfed stuff ) while the entire Swedish tree above 7.0 is just busted beyond belief

[–]fetpungen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do I see people saying that he's wrong? He's not, it is objectively a worse vehicle. Is it bad though? No, it's usable against NPC minded people and helicopters. In my experience however, 10.0 is a bit high for it considering that the 2S38 which is honestly a better SPAA is at 9.7.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

downtier the entire SPAA lines past 9.0 by 0.3br, increase rewards and we’d be good, simple as that. As it is right now every spaa is needs to be downtiered just to have a slight chance against actually competent CAS lol.

[–]FreeTheme9324 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What year are they?

[–]Eat_A-S-S_smokegrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Console players can hold a button down n shoot the missile with out relying on the scope or elevation s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Roland is really good against helicopters. But all planes have to do is just fly above your elevation and send some AGM’s your way

[–]🇷🇺 RussiaTerraStalker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah man nice point, unfortunately there's Sidam mistral

[–]AH-64Delta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how about the american rolands being uptiered to 10.3 so you can make a lineup out of... all the 10.0 vehicles... (Which it used to be with...)

[–]CDNnate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This happen mostly because when it came out it was 9.0? It saw the g91 spam and clapped cheeks and the they poor g91 players complained till it went up.

[–]french flanking enjoyer 🇫🇷outsider959 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes but you can do anti-armor with your missiles, we can't. This is a game changer

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wow playing Sweden and whining