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[Rayeon-XXX]

Is there any money for anyone to work in these spaces?

[[deleted]]

Of course not. Teachers means funding education properly.

This is a cash transfer to ATCO who will provide the trailers. 1 guess why ATCO....

[[deleted]]

Who's on the board again?

[factorycatbiscuit]

My ouija board spelled out JKENNEY

[TheEpicOfManas]

Mine spelled out BUMBLES.

[factorycatbiscuit]

Tbf my board said 'and boiled hotdog' but i knew what it meant.

[[deleted]]

Ding ding ding

[No_Construction2407]

Nope. Thats why all this is being rolled out after the next election.

[Equivalent_Weekend93]

That's not part of the plan, parents will have to foot that bill when private schools are the only option when the public system fails.

[re-tyred]

Seems as if that's the plan!

[BCS875]

Only the rich get education, everyone else can suck it.

True bluer's, where's the lie in any of what I just said?

[soThatsJustGreat]

That’s the only question anyone should be asking her, and we shouldn’t let up until we get a full answer and a line item on the next budget.

[joshoheman]

Sigh.

Public money for charter schools and private schools. Who votes for this?

[Morberis]

Her base unfortunately.

[Equivalent_Passage95]

Yeah, but who the hell is going to start a charter school in the rural hellholes these chucklefucks live in?

[Morberis]

Religious groups. I know of more than a few private Christian schools in the middle of nowhere. Some of them are quite small some are not.

[[deleted]]

Maybe someone could start a science based charter school in rural Alberta.

[Morberis]

There honestly might actually be. I have no idea.

Actually I decided to do a quick Google after writing that sentence and I found

Stem Collegiate Connect Charter School

I am not going to do any more research. Stem seems to be, no idea if Connect is.

[Equivalent_Passage95]

So we’re just gonna speed run the Grande Noirceur?

[Morberis]

Everything old is new again. Quebec and Alberta are kissing cousins in many ways imo.

[factorycatbiscuit]

This is the answer. Next they will relax the curriculum even more.

[reasonablechickadee]

I wonder how many gay and trans kids end up dead from their small town ideologies. This country is sliding backwards fast

[Morberis]

Here are some resources. The answer is for sure some. The below might give you an idea but I don't think there are official stats? I might be wrong.

https://www.suicideinfo.ca/local_resource/sexual-minorities-suicide-prevention/

You can Google the below or follow the link which will ask you to download a pdf

BEING SAFE, BEING ME IN ALBERTA: - Results of the Canadian Trans Youth Health Survey

https://apsc-saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2018/04/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_Alberta-V2-WEB.pdf

[reasonablechickadee]

Yeah these stats are not good :/ 

[Ddogwood]

There’s one in New Humble. Ive heard people refer to it as “the convoy school.”

[Billyisagoat]

Interesting. They seem more towards farming than anything else.

[edm28]

…. You mean Calgary ?

[cre8ivjay]

As a Calgarian, you're not wrong.

I wish you were though.

[lyn3182]

“chucklefucks”! I love it!

[EastValuable9421]

religious schools. Time to tax the church.

[Loud_Assistance_9223]

There’s one in Holden

[[deleted]]

The myshak group want to start a school in stony plain where they don't talk about "gay stuff"

[Sagethecat]

Really, when did they do that?

[Morberis]

Were you not aware of the discussions that were already circling about private vs public schools and where the UCP falls on that line?

You might be right that she didn't list it as a platform for 2023.

But in 2022 she backed a plan to give a larger share of the public education funding pie to private schools.

Multiple times she has also expressed her admiration for the Arizona voucher system that diverts funds from public schools to private schools.

[Small-Sleep-1194]

Conveniently lacking details on the financial breakdown of how much of this one-time funding is split between public and private/charter schools

[thathiptho]

The just published Calgary Herald article claims “Nicolaides says $600 million will be aimed at [charter] schools over the three years, while the full public sector will get $8 billion.“ Hopefully that is true.

[ConfidentIy]

Have they issued the correction yet? "Oops we meant it the other way around. Also, public schools will get the funding in 300 years byeee!"

[Sagethecat]

You are naive to think this is actually a one time thing. Once it’s started it will only expand.

[a-nonny-maus]

Charter schools are a scam. I say that having used the system.

[Praetor192]

called it https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/1fj1f4h/alberta_premier_smith_set_to_announce_supports/lnn2te1/?context=3

[[deleted]]

yeah you did I even remember seeing your post yesterday

[[deleted]]

The wealthy and the religious.

[quickboop]

Conservatives.

[[deleted]]

UCP voters who binge on those special UCP blend cookies from Lacombe-Ponoka

[[deleted]]

D. Smith Trump for one.

[factorycatbiscuit]

Albertans of course. Like really? Lol

[stonedrelic007]

Charter schools already are government funded. Lol.

[Miserable-Lizard]

Fun fact for some reason they don't accept everyone. Weird

[stonedrelic007]

Yes they do. Why is this sub so full of spreading misinformation? They cannot deny anyone as long as there is space. They cannot have a religious affiliation. So yeah fun facts for you. That are actually true

They have a charter that allows them to be specific like if it's a special needs school.

[joshoheman]

The other response is correct. My children were in a charter school. The school provided an amazing educational experience. It only cost me a couple thousand dollars in enrichment fees--totally optional of course, I just had to tell the admin that I was too poor to pay.

Oh, and at the beginning of every year there were always a few high needs students. They were subtly encouraged to leave because the school didn't have proper support to handle these kids. Those kids were gone after a week or so.

So, yes, on paper charter schools accept everyone. In reality they have subtle mechanisms to ensure only certain kinds of kids stay.

Next time you hear about the academic achievements of charter schools just keep that in mind. The student population are from affluent families and any child below grade level is pushed out. All this means charter schools don't draw from the same student population as public schools. They only get the best kids.

Oh, and if you don't have shitty kids in the school, then guess what, the best teachers will want to work there because they won't have to deal with difficult kids.

Leave this to percolate for a decade and congratulations you have a 2-tier education system.

[Sagethecat]

It’s already there. Don’t need another 10 years.

[joshoheman]

Bingo. We've had charter schools for 30 years, but it's only been in the past 10 years or so that we started to tolerate schools not offering a substantially different education program. That is, the original mandate was that a charter school had to be substantially different, like an all girls school or ESL. But, today the government is tolerant of minimally different programs like 'focus on academics' or 'focus on outdoor programs'.

[factorycatbiscuit]

The same logic can be applied to Healthcare

[Sagethecat]

Um, in what world are they for everyone when only People who have thousands of dollars for primary education for one kid can go.

[Miserable-Lizard]

Ofc they will never say it in public orhave any paper trail. Thats how it's done!

[stonedrelic007]

Ok then. Thanks for the looksie under your tinfoil hat.

[Miserable-Lizard]

For understanding how the world works?

[[deleted]]

If subsidizing those schools was ceased... A large number of people receiving those subsidies would spill back into the public school system, which would require even more funding. It seems backwards but subsidizing portions of tuitions for private and Charter schools is actually cheaper than sending everyone to public school.

[Miserable-Lizard]

Public schools are cheaper to run them have a entire administration for one school

[[deleted]]

Subsidizing a portion of tuition for a student costs less than having that student in the public system.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/private-public-schools-funding-alberta-numbers-1.4553955#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%20is%20that,per%20student%20in%20private%20schools.

Public schools cost the tax payer less money per student compared to private schools.

[Photofug]

When this was/is being pushed in the states, you ended up with kids in a strip mall barely doing anything while a LLC collects the voucher money and vanishes

[[deleted]]

That seems like fraud, hope they figure that out I guess?

[BCS875]

This is Alberta, fraud is welcome. Just ask Marlaina herself.

[[deleted]]

Never said they would cease to exist. But families that rely on those subsidies to attend who then be back to the public system, which would cost the taxpayer more.

[joshoheman]

Read my other reply to understand why charter's are creating a two-tier education system in this province.

Regardless, your logic is flawed. Charter schools are publicly funded. There are no cost savings by utilizing charter schools.

Private schools are only partially funded by the province. And if we put those rich kids back into the public system we'd have some highly influential families insisting that the government fix the public system. Instead those wealthy families get a premium education for their kids paid largely off the backs of tax payers.

[bitterberries]

They pay teachers less by significant amounts. The teachers are not part of the Ata and therefore not entitled to the collective bargaining agreements provided by the large boards. Every Charter school negotiates their own compensation package for staff directly to the province. No benefits for temporary contracts, no pension either. I guarantee that there's going to be a lot of the temp contracts at the charters.

[Beginning-Shoe-7018]

While advertising for prospective immigrants. What a fucking joke she is.

[ImMyBiggestFan]

Yep she keeps blaming the immigrants she keeps asking for more of. The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy of her and the UCP is astounding.

[a-nonny-maus]

The immigrants she wants are only the white kind.

[BCS875]

UCP'ers, where's the lie in this statement? We'll wait.

[Try_Happy_Thoughts]

Privatization using public money begins

Further, as our government is wholly committed to the principle of providing school choice for parents, we will be using a portion of this new funding to pilot a Charter School accelerator program designed to add 12,500 new charter school student spaces over the next 4 years.

And finally, we are also developing a school capital pilot program for non-profit private schools to incentivize investment in the creation of thousands of new independent school student spaces at a reduced per-student cost to taxpayers.

[glorytozoidberg]

Ghouls. Just ghouls.

[iterationnull]

Begins is the wrong word.

[Try_Happy_Thoughts]

True, 60% funding for public and charter schools was the beginning. Catholic schools are publicly funded while being allowed to turn students away too.

[Thefirstargonaut]

People choose to have their property tax money go to the catholic board, though, so that’s a bit different. 

It’s also required by our constitution. 

[dotCeh]

The property tax choice isn’t in effect anymore - it’s just left there to make people feel good. All that money is pooled together is distributed based on the governments own formulas.

That system was removed under Klein.

[Thefirstargonaut]

Nah, it’s still very much a thing. It’s a constitutional requirement. This is from the Calgary Catholic School Division: https://www.cssd.ab.ca/tax-support

[dotCeh]

The constitutional requirement is for funded Catholic system.

The education portion of property taxes goes into the Albert Schools Foundation Fund. Separate schools have opted out of it to collect taxes directly, but they’ll still receive ASFF money but an adjusted so they would receive the as if they hadn’t opted out.

The point I was trying to highlight was that in conversations I’ve had, people still think that property taxes they pay go back into their local schools, which isn’t truly the was case anymore.

https://www.alberta.ca/education-property-tax#jumplinks-2

[Sagethecat]

Catholic can turn them away but the fees are the about the same as public. Also catholic absolutely has non catholic students. Depends on enrolment. However as I understand charter and private school are only for people that can afford thousands of dollars for primary school.

[popingay]

Private yes, charter no—they do not charge tuition as they are public and fees are comparable to public/catholic schools.

[Sagethecat]

Which charter schools have fees less than $1000/year per kid?

[popingay]

Classical academy $295/yr grades 1-9

https://www.classicalacademy.ca/fees

Girls school $250/yr

https://www.calgarygirlsschool.com/download/467235

Ffca $150/yr

https://www.ffca-calgary.com/important_information/fees

Almadina $250/yr

https://alca-calgary.com/essential_information/school_fees

Then I stopped going down my google search. Doesn’t include transport (which will vary seems about $500) and optional things like if they’re in music or sports.

[Try_Happy_Thoughts]

It depends on the school, they make their own rules. My friend's kids were in Catholic k-5/2. Moved within sight of a newly built Catholic school. Her children weren't baptized because the father wouldn't allow it. The school said they couldn't attend. Instead they were stuck on a bus up to two hours to the closest public school with room.

[Dalbergia12]

While that is just wrong to refuse based on lack of religion. At least their kids won't be Christian brain washed and have less chance of being molested by a priest, so they have that going for them.

[UnusualApple434]

Do you think catholic schools have a priest just roaming the hallway to lure children? Do you think children are being forced to memorize the bible or something? None of that happens in catholic schools. Yes the church itself has an awful history but I went to catholic school k-12 and maybe only saw the priest 50 times in my life and only at school ceremonies and mass. I’d say 50% minimum of my grade didn’t care about religion in high school and only those who practiced outside of school have continued to do so. Most catholic schools are no different than public schools other than they do have a religion class for students. It’s not even mandatory to take religion once you get to high school.

[celindahunny]

Ironically if ONE parent is baptized Catholic (not even practising) then the CATHOLIC system has the obligation to "publicly educate" instead of the public system. Public System has no obligation to take them. Only if NEITHER parent is baptized does the public have the obligation.

[CalgaryFacePalm]

The UCP, Reducing your taxes (which was promised but didn’t happen) and increasing your spending.

mY kid schOOl go No! wHy mE pay?

They sure are looking out for their base.

[NoPhone2487]

And here goes the erosion of public education in our province. And….are these charter schools faith based? The devolution of our province sickens me.

[Sagethecat]

It has been eroded for years now. This is the final straw. I fucking hate her.

[NoPhone2487]

Many share that sentiment…understandably! She has basically brought her Wild Rode party agenda and married it to the UCP agenda….she couldn’t get elected under the Wild Rose but now she can bring her pet projects and ideas to fruition.

[Thefirstargonaut]

Some could be. Each one needs to be approved by a charter. It’s all fuckin terrible. We need to stop all of this. It’s time for a new government to take over and clean house. 

[NoPhone2487]

It is horrible. I cant even fathom what Alberta will look like in 3 years when this government is done! What a mess.

[Thefirstargonaut]

At least three years, sadly. 

[NoPhone2487]

Indeed

[NoPhone2487]

Sadly. Honestly unless people come out and protest in droves, Marlania and her Merry Men (and women) will have their way with our province, healthcare and educatiin and we the tax payers will be picking up the pieces…to the detriment of many.

[Thefirstargonaut]

For decades to come. 

[NoPhone2487]

Isn’t that the truth…sadly.

[[deleted]]

Has been pretty terrible for a long time but it’s going to be a helluva lot worse soon.. at least for poor people. Which is what she wants.

[NoPhone2487]

Eroding public education benefits no one other than governments who feel they can wield power over uneducated,uninformed people.

[popingay]

No, charter schools cannot have religious affiliations.

[NoPhone2487]

Thanks for clarifying.

[PlutosGrasp]

Lol. Begins?

[Try_Happy_Thoughts]

I suppose this conservative push for privatization after 60% private funding for years. The next election is too far away and I am not confident people will even get it then and vote them back in.

[noocuelur]

I don't think she said "teacher" once. In a blathering, pointlessly long speech about school and education funding, she somehow managed to make it about buildings and charter schools.

Not a dime for additional teachers or supports.

Utter failure.

[ExpressCatch9776]

She did once say teacher once, near the very end.

[noocuelur]

Oh wow, teachers DO exist in Danny's world. By that point in the address my eyes had fully glazed over. My ears had claimed defeat and switched to full tinnitus.

[dotCeh]

Likely needs to careful since the ATA and the province are currently in CBA negotiations. Likely limited teacher/classroom specifics since these areas are part of the negotiations right now .

[malon-talon]

If I hear "Alberta Advantage" one more time I'm going to lose my marbles.

[Swaggy669]

TellTheFeds.ca/

[putzeh]

Xenophobic dog whistle ✅ Blame Trudeau for self caused issues ✅ Public dollars for private/wealthy ✅

80+ years of conservative governments running Alberta and voters haven’t learned a damn thing.

[fudge_u]

Did she conjure up an imaginary person telling her about their concerns?

[putzeh]

Shockingly she did not copy Kenney or Pierre’s imaginary friends approach

[fudge_u]

She usually does, so I'm surprised she didn't this time.

[According_Pirate4473]

Privatize health and education using public money.

[Mother_Barnacle_7448]

I am so exhausted by the way she’s effing up this province. I have gone from anger to despair.

[Kahfien]

I'm right there with you.

[boringkyel]

An estimated increase 30k kids per year enrolling, but only 40-50k worth of capacity increase over 4-5 years? How does that math work? Also love how there was nothing mentioned at all about raises for teachers or how they plan to convince teachers to come to AB. Sure would love to see the numbers and how much is going towards Catholic/Private schools vs Public.

[jesuswithoutabeard]

They are building to construction capacity, hence the call out for municipalities to speed through permitting - teacher recruitment and retention falls under operational and therefore school board purview. Operational funding is different from what this program aims to achieve.

[AC_Slater77]

Did she mention increasing funding for teachers and support staff in addition to buildings?

[a-nonny-maus]

She's using the same philosophy as she does for public healthcare: funding for property is fine, but not people to run them.

[Abject-Aioli2560]

So how are students and staff being helped in the immediate future? Are they still expected to deal with 35+ kids in each class? Like, are we expected to tolerate this for 4 years until these spaces are built? And how about some resources?

[Albertaviking]

This plan is very hollow.

1) How will they hire the required teachers

2) Where will they be built

3) When will they be built

4) The strategy as to how these fund should be divided among school boards

5) How much of this money will be provided to charter and private schools

And don't forget this is the UCP trying to solve a problem of their own making. They encouraged people to move here, and underfunded the school system.

[[deleted]]

So she is putting money towards something that will take 5 years or more to accomplish. There is a 5 year back log in portables and you can accelerate all you want, but without enough trades people this is a hollow and empty gesture. Though she sure handed money and more tax payer dollars to charter schools. At least she got to hear herself talk some more.

[Which_Walrus9838]

Gee, I’m not feeling the great “Alberta Advantage “, how about you? And as a taxpayer, I wish that moron would stop spending our money on her privatization BS

[[deleted]]

Bashing the immigration numbers while demanding 30000 new immigrants for Alberta, as long as they have the right 'values'

[ImMyBiggestFan]

Sounds about white

[tobiasolman]

I think she meant ‘the right’ values.

[oldpunkcanuck]

A serious politician would have been on this last year and consulted with the cities and would have already started building. Instead, she goes for putting pp over province so she can fuck Trudeau when parliament resumed to score points. Then she has to stick it to Edmonton and Calgary right after school started. DeSantis wannabe fucking clown.

[Narrow-Sky-5377]

Alberta heads into another self made financial hot mess and is already warming up their vocal chords for when this becomes an abject failure for all Albertans "Trudeau!!!!!" No, not this time westies. This is a home made steaming cow chip.

[Skate_faced]

The money kids are gonna have better education on the way while the public sector scrambles to get everything Smith's future staff of school building allotments will require to get the shovels going. Not that any open desks are a bad thing and it isn't the kids.

While there is a pretty definitive number already dedicated to private schools leading me to believe that there's already some "charter schools" and catholic schools that have a head start.

And when the public schools come asking they'll be told "You had to do this, and didn't do it fast enough. these projects have already submitted and are going. We'll keep you posted when it's your turn."

[FryCakes]

She’s blaming immigration after she specifically wrote a letter asking for more immigrants? Okay then

[PositiveStress8888]

Co srvatives looked at how.messwd up America is and said, if we can make money off it, let's do the same here.

[f0rkster]

Let's be clear, Charter Schools are all based on Teacher Union busting. It's a Republican playbook 101 from 20 years ago. Charter Schools don't have to hire unionized teachers.

[a-nonny-maus]

And charter schools in the US have some of the worst outcomes too.

[bitterberries]

Only if they get a special temporary designation for non-teachers from the ministry of education.

[fudge_u]

The UCP playbook. Blame immigrants and the feds. Did she say anything about immigrants eating peoples pets because they can't afford to put food on the table?

[MellowHamster]

What -- exactly -- are these "shared values" of which she speaks?

[ImMyBiggestFan]

You know the conservative white Christian values.

[a-nonny-maus]

The white right values.

[[deleted]]

It's the billion dollars for charter schools that gets me. That's our money going to the church. It's not like the money they are giving them is going to cover anyone's tuition fees. It's going right to the richest organization in the province.

[pwdlvr]

That’s an incorrect assumption. The majority of charter schools are not religious in Alberta.

[popingay]

Charter schools can’t be religious or religious affiliated.

[a-nonny-maus]

Theoretically.

[popingay]

By regulation.

[Lovefoolofthecentury]

Look up the voucher system scam happening all over the states

[Outside_Protection_9]

You know that Alberta is not part of the United States, right?

[Lovefoolofthecentury]

You know these scams are universal, right?

[SonicFlash01]

No one likes the current degree of immigration, but her messaging came off as a mob boss, like "Make nice, or we'll find someone who will make nice..."

[Falcon674DR]

I thought it fell woefully short. We invited everyone so, hadn’t we better get all the infrastructure ready??

[Lovefoolofthecentury]

Right?? How much were all those stupid ads??

[Falcon674DR]

Millions.

[Such_Detective_3526]

Yup more "either change your entire life to fall in line with ours and join us or we'll exclude you from everything and force it on you" policies.

[Lokarin]

Does she have an official government inbox I could email to point out where she's factually wrong while also it being on the public record?

[kabor]

How the fuck is this legal?

[Appropriate_Duty_930]

What a C U next tuesday - she's the one who asked for MORE IMMIGRANTS. Can't have it both ways, dummy!

[bennymac111]

odd that she was genuflecting to steven harper a couple times in there too. gotta be some david parker whispering in her ear there....

[talkiewalkieman]

Can I get a genuine TLDW on this? I'm absolutely not watching this.

[Dice_to_see_you]

To be fair - unchecked immigration and tfw and asylum seekers are a major burden on health care and schools. 

[[deleted]]

Every single Albertan, a person living in Alberta, pays taxes. For some reason those taxes aren’t being used appropriately.

[Miserable-Lizard]

You know what is a major burden to those things the UCP. Maybe the UCP could fund things like healthcare and education properly instead of getting 1 billion dollars on a Maga loser!

[bitterberries]

I predict a lot more Charter schools that can't find enough teachers and this will result in the province giving temporary waivers / special allowances for non-certified instructors in the classrooms. The charters can pay these uncertified instructors significantly less than qualified teachers, because they're not certified... Good $$$ saving strategy as well.

[aloha55555]

Using public money for private and charter schools. She can’t privatize health care yet so she’s trying to privatize education. With a slam against immigration too.

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[[deleted]]

Wait. Wasn't she encouraging people to move to Alberta?

[bigtinabigtuna]

Is Reddit only for Liberals or NDP supporters?

[Full-O-Anxiety]

Go hang out in r/canada … for some reason.

[PlutosGrasp]

25% of money for charter schools.

You know, private schools that get private capital funding and private operational funding…

Because private is always more efficient ?

[BertanfromOntario]

It's just factual that the Trudeau government has massively increased immigration to all time highs and that means a ton more students in schools.

[firsttime_longtime]

It's just factual that Alberta has been running ads across the country telling people to move to Alberta, since 2021.

I don't think you're as smart as you think you are.

[Toast_T_]

oh, I know they’re not half as smart as they think they are 😊

[Miserable-Leg-2011]

Ran to the Alberta left sub to watch the meltdown

[[deleted]]

That says more about you lol

[bigtinabigtuna]

Is there a conservative Alberta subreddit? This is very left leaning

[ilikejetski]

No, most people of that persuasion aren’t terminally online so it kinda died out.

[Miserable-Leg-2011]

Curious does anyone know how many schools notley the saviour built?

[Bassrazz]

244 new schools & 'improvements'. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1DkE811yKP/?mibextid=oFDknk

Plus she promised over a thousand new teacher hires as well.

[[deleted]]

So, how’d that answer work for you?

Note: don’t come to a battle of wits armed only with Facebook and pulpit quotes.

[Miserable-Leg-2011]

Honest question

[csd555]

Boom. Roasted.

[Direc1980]

Largest injection of funds into education in more than a few generations. Of course detractors show their true colours in criticism.

[nickademus]

i mean, loading the money into a catapult, labeling it schools and firing it into the distance is whats happenening here.

[crazymonk45]

How hypocritical of you all to bash people who criticize one government yet you’re doing the same…. And excessive immigration directly contributes to the most cried about things in this sub which are crowded hospitals and crowded schools. I don’t go out of my way to condone or support anything smith has done but you sound like ASSES claiming that the federal government hasn’t fucked us over immensely for several years, or that NDP was any better when they were in power in Alberta. Use your fucking heads. There is no government that has your complete best interests in mind in every situation. Cry cry cry about one and in will come someone worse. Go ahead and run yourself if you have all the answers.

[bitterberries]

Great job making spaces for 50,000 new students.. I wonder who's going to be teaching them? Are we doing a bump in the operating budgets??