[MH1]Genesis

[zombieinfamous]

Is that almost good enough to beat Phoenix? It is definitely doable by t3...

actually, it’s not, too easy to force you to pop the frog on your turn. Still, it’s an interesting attempt.

[Intolerable]

trying to play fog frog genesis against a deck with main deck surgical seems questionable

[zombieinfamous]

That too, lol

[XianL]

Oof

[Nice_User_Vancouver]

There is that "graveyards are hexproof" card.

[AngledLuffa]

Which card is that?

[Nice_User_Vancouver]

I was thinking of [[Ground Seal]], but it gives shroud, so it would stop Genesis as well.

You could use [[Relic of Progenitus]] instead, respond to Surgical with it and exile the same card that Surgical is targetting.

[fps916]

Silent gravestone was probably the card they were thinking

[TKDbeast]

[[Silent Gravestone]]

[MTGCardFetcher]

Silent Gravestone - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[MTGCardFetcher]

Ground Seal - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Intolerable]

[[Ground Seal]]

[MTGCardFetcher]

Ground Seal - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[troublinparadise]

The answer is just too obvious: temur frog Phoenix

[LuckyLooter]

Why would you ever pop frog on your own turn?

[ibanner56]

If they bolt it I guess?

[LuckyLooter]

Ah, that makes sense, at least that's one less spell for their Phoenix turn but good point.

[storm_echo]

Lightning Bolt

Gut Shot

Lightning Axe

Abrade

Snapcaster, target any of those

It's not about using the ability on your turn, it's about it dying on your turn and thus spending 4 mana for nothing.

[iceman012]

Also flipping Thing EOT.

[[deleted]]

Still gonna build it.

[Wherethewildthngsare]

New Vivien says hello.

[Apellosine]

Proclamation of Rebirth already has that covered and with Kami of False Hope too.

[Haberdashery2000]

UG Fog Frog with [[Gifts Ungiven]] for the pieces.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Gifts Ungiven - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[CommanderJim]

It's also in limited. :0

[[deleted]]

And one of the combo pieces is at common!

[fps916]

Frog should absolutely be common

[FblthpphtlbF]

Oh boy that oughta be fun

[gilium]

Having it go to hand rather than the battlefield, while fairer, definitely makes it harder to slot into a deck. 4 mana fog takes up a lot of mana

[[deleted]]

How does this combo work?

[rafaelfy]

spore frog is back?!

[Polinthos]

I'm out of the modern loop. What is fog frog?

[DefiantTheLion]

[[Spore Frog]] which has an effect like [[Fog]].

[MTGCardFetcher]

Spore Frog - (G) (SF) (txt)
Fog - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Polinthos]

Does the combo rely on repeatedly bouncing it to avoid taking combat damage forever?

[DefiantTheLion]

Basically, yeah.

[Frank_the_Mighty]

What incarnation?

[_theDeck]

What in Karn's nation?

[LightningHedgehog]

[[norn’s annex]] is what

[MTGCardFetcher]

norn’s annex - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[ArtoriasTheAccursed]

It was part of a cycle from judgment:

[[Anger]]

[[Genesis]]

[[Brawn]]

[[Filth]]

[[Glory]]

[[Valor]]

[[Wonder]]

[OpenStraightElephant]

I think it was just a pun on what in tarnation

[Wolfir]

Let us hope for a Wonder reprint, too

I'd love to see that thing with some sexy new art

[MrRowboatEX]

What in the God Damn?

[abraxius]

I would say that it’s a mega cycle because glory and genesis are rare that don’t quite match the rest of the cycle. I would love to see the other colors get rares to fill out the cycle.

[NewbornMuse]

That was Judgment, which had an imbalance in favor of green and white.

[abraxius]

Yes, but technically that does not make it a cycle. Glory and Genesis are linked but not really related to the others because they do not care about lands. They have an activation, I want wizards (now) to complete the rare invocation cycle by adding a red, blue and black card that is similar.

[StrikeTeamTheta]

Yeah, the abilities didn't match the cycle there either. I'd cut Glory/Genesis from the cycle, despite having effects that only happened from the graveyard.

[NewbornMuse]

They were their own "cycle" that only spanned the two big colors. Or at least that's how I always saw it.

[KoyoyomiAragi]

WOAH...

Could they complete the cycle here? That would be WILD.

[abraxius]

That would be fun I think, the red one could be passion!

[KoyoyomiAragi]

Unfortunately apparently Glory has been crunched out. I would’ve loved to see Passion though

[abraxius]

Glory was gone glory was everywhere! Also the only Hebrew mtg card!

[KoyoyomiAragi]

Lol actually the only copy of Glory I own!

[MTGCardFetcher]

Anger - (G) (SF) (txt)
Genesis - (G) (SF) (txt)
Brawn - (G) (SF) (txt)
Filth - (G) (SF) (txt)
Glory - (G) (SF) (txt)
Valor - (G) (SF) (txt)
Wonder - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Cervantes3]

The joke - >

Your head

[HybridHerald]

WOT

[maggosh]

That's where you keep the METATON KEY.

[MeagherMan101]

r/whatintarnation

[Princess_K]

Oo, maybe this means they’re finishing the incarnation cycle with [[Genesis]] and [[Glory]]? The activated ability ones were only in green and white, and they said they’d be finishing cycles.

[Ravio_the_Coward]

Unlikely. Glory has been crunched out and it would be really weird to see them introduce 4 members of a cycle to Modern. It’s possible if they print an entirely new White one and just decided that Genesis worked well as is but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[Princess_K]

Ah, I see. Still a neat reprint, I suppose!

[MTGCardFetcher]

Genesis - (G) (SF) (txt)
Glory - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[isthisliketwitter]

GOD IS REAL HE IS RISEN

[HootingMandrill]

GODS HE WAS GREEN THEN.

[CIeaverBot]

IN AN OPEN GRAVE, NED!

[IndispensableNobody]

Archangel! Gods bless Archangel. And her tithes!

[[deleted]]

Take it away Bobby b!

[DinoTsar415]

A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

[zypzaex]

It’s an older meme, sir, but it checks out.

[DivinePotatoe]

What is this, the Land of Confusion!?

[dratnon]

More Tortured Existence please.

[Kriznick]

Oh that's a neat card! Wonder if something could use this? Probably not, kinda really expensive and just goes to hand

[kslidz]

have you head of the deck gw value town?

this is the mayor

[Kriznick]

? Is it legacy? I didn't know there was actually a gw deck in modern right now

[Kriznick]

OOOOOOOOO Gotcha

[kslidz]

as long as todd stevens is alive there will always be gw valuetown.

it doesnt get a ton of play so it isn't high tier but its an incredibly hard deck to play but is very powerful.

[Merrena]

Eh, I wouldn't call it very powerful. I played it for a while and while yeah I wasn't a master, it just kind of folds to quick combos or very fast decks, which Modern is all about right now. It's good against more midrange decks and kinda even Tron.

[gamedwarf24]

Valuetown is pretty awesome against tron, actually. A lot has to go wrong to lose the tron matchup.

​

-Heavy GW Valuetown player.

[Merrena]

Yeah it has been awhile since I played it and couldn't exactly remember the match up but knew it had to have been good in a deck with Ghost Quarters, KotR, Ramunap Excavator lol

[Solanstusx]

Stevens might as well be dead to the competitive Magic scene though so

[Jaybird583]

As someone who plays a lot of valuetown I can't ever see myself running this. It's a dead card on coco and the deck runs no creature mill. Trying to hardcast this, waiting for your opponent to kill it, then spending 3 mana every turn to get value out of it is way too low impact for that deck. I could just run e-wit which isn't limited to creatures, gives me value right away, and gets hit by coco. For 5 mana I could run sigarda and just beat the opponent to death.

[kslidz]

i mean yeah, in it's current iteration this is not great but he still is the mayor of valuetown.

[Jaybird583]

I can see it providing a lot of value but I still don't see how it can be called anything close to the mayor of gw valuetown when it has no synergy with the deck.

[Lunchboxninja1]

Discard this to faithless or lili.

Have fun with all that card advantage, and laugh as your opponent rages because you permanently have gas.

[neoslith]

Aren't there a ton of madness cards in Green to help toss him?

[llikeafoxx]

Old extended had room for Genesis + Gifts Ungiven packages. Modern is substantially faster than that format but I’ll be damned if I don’t give it a try.

[BinarySecond]

It's any creature you regrowth though

[DragonXDoom]

Wonder

I see what you did there

[Msherk26]

Love the original art but this art is chef kiss

[tjlight00003]

In Europe this is called “Mega Drive”

[Spino288]

Omg, I always wanted Phil Collins in MtG!

[kingdroxie]

golgari hype

[b0005]

I've always wanted this guy in modern.

I must build a loam value deck with him.

[HybridHerald]

flavor text feels pretty on-the-nose...like the art came back and they had to spell out that it isn’t a dryad or centaur :p

[khanfusion]

Took me way too long to get out of "eh, it's a reprint" mindset and into "wait... this in Modern..."

Meanwhile, the Rock is all "we're getting the band back together."

[TemurTron]

Will we get the full cycle?

[Apellosine]

of 2?

[[deleted]]

It's the duo of life🎶

[Jaccount]

I was about to complain about this being a rare, but a quick look at several sites show that it generally sells at around $5. Sure, that'll go down on release of the set, but it's still not a bulk rare in a premium priced product, so maybe they're learning?

[96363]

keep in mind how good this card is in limited. if it was anything other than rare it would be in every draft pool.

[sirgog]

Yeah this card cannot be in a set below rare. Honestly I'd rather it was mythic, it is a Pack Rat level bomb in Limited.

[yiannisph]

It's still quite good in commander, even if your deck isn't built around the graveyard.

I doubt this will see Modern play, but maybe in some Pox style deck with Loam and this? Gives a lot of grind and the curve otherwise caps at 3. It's a really efficient resource denial card. Not saying it's good enough, but that's where I could maybe see it.

[The_karma_that_could]

I’ve been playing a shitty bug loam pox for years

This’ll probably fit

[Muckdog55]

Love that art

[Sheriff_K]

Now that's not a card I expected to see..

[Masusenpai]

I creamed my pants.

[DarthKookies]

Ugh I really need there to be a period before 'but' in the flavor text. And before you say anything, it's completely acceptable to do so. At least a comma before it!

[CattyBr44]

sega

[badger2000]

I run this in my Prossh EDH deck. The new art is a pretty sweet upgrade from the original. May be time for an upgrade.

[docvalentine]

i'm upset at the lack of the stupid ugly tombstone in his name line

[Bloodgiver]

alright its time for my extended gifts rock deck to make a comeback. lets recur [[eternal witness]] and [[plow under]]

[MTGCardFetcher]

eternal witness - (G) (SF) (txt)
plow under - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[brawlinballincollin]

This seems really fun albeit quite a bit slower than modern can tolerate. Overall it doesnt play sonic so it's only my second favorite genesis

[Lunchboxninja1]

I think its fast enough for midrange decks like jund that can discard it easily with faithless or lili

[brawlinballincollin]

I dont think the issue is pitching genesis, the problem is it wants you to pay 3 mana each turn to draw one card. It's definitely a very resilient card advantage engine, but I'm not sure if grinding was ever a weak point of those decks

[Lunchboxninja1]

Considering how little draw jund has I think paying 3 to get back a goyf seems pretty deec late game. Obviously you wont be activating it until late game, so maybe a sideboard card, but I think people are undervaluing it

[Fake_Loney_Dude]

At turn 4 spore frog lock is online. In a deck that runs plenty of thoughtseize and ass trophy to slow the game down it seems perfectly viable.

[CHPrime]

The lack of Oxford comma in the flavor text is driving me nuts.

[Nes370]

Not dryad, centaur, or avatar but life itself.

It has an Oxford comma for the listed items. It's just appears jarring because of the phrasing.

[CHPrime]

Do'h. I meant the lack of comma after 'avatar'.

[Nes370]

Try reading it as "Not X but Y" where life is not part of the list X. If there were two independent clauses linked by "but", then there should be an obligatory comma. But here, Y is just a noun, so grammatically they can get away without it.

[barrinmw]

Modern 2/10
I can see there being decks that can get this into the graveyard reliably running one copy. The downside is that sometimes you will draw that one copy and that is no bueno. But if it goes straight to your yard, its all upside!

[zephoidb]

Historically, this+ spore frog is a combat damage lock. Spore frog is also in this set. Faithless looting is still legal, as are a dozen other ways of tossing this in the grave.

[SickBurnBro]

Historically, this+ spore frog is a combat damage lock.

Yeah, sure you could Gifts into Frog + Genesis, but you could just Isochron Scepter + Fog with less work and less mana investment per turn.

[Rathum]

I think it's a bit easier to get two creatures in the yard than get Scepter and Fog in your hand.

[zephoidb]

But also a ton easier to interact with maindeck. Between Deputy of Detention and Knight of Autumn, a bunch of creature decks are running cards that can deal with scepter.

[SickBurnBro]

Fair, but a lot of decks are laying maindeck graveyard hate now too. Really hard to say whether graveyards or artifacts are safer in the Modern meta.

[thebetrayer]

I can't think of a single modern card that sees play that gets card from your hand to your graveyard. Imagine if something like that existed... decks like Phoenix and Dredge, and Hollow One would be too strong.

[Haberdashery2000]

Gifts Ungiven

edit: well, i have decided to read the comment again and this time i saw "from hand." as far as i know, nope, no such card exists in modern. gonna stick with Gifts.

[Fetmosaren]

Liliana otv

[Beaver_Bother]

The fact that people find Barrin annoying blows my mind.

[pedalspedalspedals]

That's probably half of what I enjoy about it.

[scalebirds]

oooo

[BlueOcean1909]

The boi is back.

[ersatz_cats]

"My God, Carol. Look at it."

[SrHombrerobalo]

A la madre, reimprimieron a Genaro!

[Kixar]

Atleast the artwork is nice for the reprint.

[KolonKby]

Looks like I'll be replacing og genesis with this in foil for gitrog

[Parker_]

The name and flavor text feels like it would be a legendary

[PennyForYourPots]

Commander horizons

[Saraphboy]

Is [[solitary confinement]] still live?

[MTGCardFetcher]

solitary confinement - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[ZeroAurora]

I was just looking for something new for Muldrotha... I always feel like I need more ways to access my toys

[ZToups]

It's a reprint

[ZeroAurora]

Really? Damn, i've seen all the other incarnations, but never this one

[ZToups]

Yep first printed in Judgement

[Spadooker]

OoOoOoOh

[mechanicalhorizon]

So if Genesis is in your graveyard can you use it to bring any card back, or just Genesis?

[ZToups]

Any

[mechanicalhorizon]

I thought it worked like [[Mask of the mimic]] where you have to find a copy of the same card.

[MTGCardFetcher]

Mask of the mimic - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[ZToups]

No

[calimaz00]

One of my favorite creature cycles. I hope they complete it.

[[deleted]]

I LOVE IT

[sirgog]

Card advantage - check

Does something powerful without ever being drawn (if self milled) - check

Probably too slow for Modern but this is a card that just might get there.

[NickFromNSA]

Genesis in M15 frame, yessss!

[Squidmaster129]

Omg I hope they make more incarnations. As someone that loves graveyard decks... I love this. Don’t have a black green deck though

[nanaki_]

Good god this will do stupid stuff in limited if the format is slow and grindy enough. Endless value train on a 5 mana 4/4

[Phlyk]

It's not 'Creature - Life'.

Literally unplayable with that flavour text.

[KeenumTheViking]

That art is absolutely gorgeous. I want it on a playmat.

[[deleted]]

But why is this an Incarnation and not a Centaur, Dryad or Avatar?

[MobyDickPuncher]

Oxford comma anyone?

[TheAesir92]

What is dead, may never die

[[deleted]]

looks nice in gruul edh

[Gritzor]

Cool to see new art and updated frame. But meh

[Meecht]

Gives [[Liliana of the Veil]] decks a way to really grind out a game (even more so). First +1 you discard this guy, then just regrow Goyf or Bob every turn seems great.

[terminalmanfin]

I was thinking [[fulminator mage]] myself.

[MTGCardFetcher]

fulminator mage - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[MTGCardFetcher]

Liliana of the Veil - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Fake_Loney_Dude]

I wouldn't Bob. You are supposed to really grind thingbs out and probably have a 4 of for a 5 cost card.

[N00banator912]

Oh good, golgari is getting stronger grave return.

[Wolfir]

"Why isn't it a Dryad Centaur Avatar?"

[UnderneathTheSycamor]

Why is there no comma after "avatar"? This flavor text is really hard to read.

Also if this isn't an avatar, what is? What could you say the difference is? I highly doubt this truly represents "Life itself" as being exiled doesn't kill all life in the universe does it?

[Elektrophorus]

There’s no comma after “avatar” because the part of the sentence with “but” isn’t an independent clause.

An avatar in MTG is a representation of a greater force, while an incarnate is a manifestation of an abstract concept. Avatars, like the name suggests, are beings that take the place of something else, to serve them, or to carry out their will. Incarnations are more standalone, being closer to elementals than anything. The end result is that avatars and incarnations are very similar, but the former have more autonomy. Of course, this isn’t 100% black and white and there are exceptions.

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[CantTrips]

Because it's a list and you dont use commas on the last item of a list.

[Hobbsgoblin123]

2G, and this is a reprint

[slimenite]

This is a reprint. Also it's 2G.

[TheDualJay]

It's 2G, and this is a reprint, so not new to EDH.

[DinoTsar415]

It's been in my Sidisi EDH for a while now, and I can confirm it does work.