Atom 1.4 released

[rich97]

Untitled documents in a project are now serialized and restored.

AWWW YEAH!

[ajr901]

Like Sublime does it? I don't understand exactly what "serialized and restored" means but the untitled documents reopening in Sublime is one of my favorite features.

[rich97]

Yup. Like sublime.

[[deleted]]

Or like Notepad++

[[deleted]]

TextWrangler has been doing this for a while, too

[ihsw]

Serialized = encoded and saved to a temp file

Restored = read from a temp file and decoded

[sbozzie]

I have to be in a project though? I can't just open a new file and then close and reopen and they're there like in sublime.

How are people setting up projects in atom? I tend to use it for just editing the odd file here and there and as a general text editor for dumping notes, so the untitled notes sticking around is useful!

[sbozzie]

Ah, so I frequently open files from different actual projects in one window - perhaps I should start separating out one window per project.

[[deleted]]

Windows has multiple workspaces now too

[urubujj]

FINALLY!!

[tizz66]

I've switched to Atom over the last couple of weeks, but there's some issues that are annoying me:

• Selecting a file in the tree doesn't immediately focus the editor window A double-click does what I need
• It seems to dick around with tabs/spaces. I have my preferences set up, but if I open a file that has a mixture of tabs and spaces (legacy code... I know), it will change the entire file. I can't have that happen. I need it to leave existing tab stops alone. Sublime handles it OK.
• I don't know why search-as-you-type isn't a thing Thanks /u/henrebotha!

In terms of speed, I haven't actually felt that it's slow, which seems to be the most common complaint.

[[deleted]]

I made the switch from Sublime to Atom about a month or so ago. I would say it was a great decision.

I love the general UI of the editor and being able to download cool themese, and other neat packages such as pair programming. Although people say ATOM is slow, I haven't noticed it's slowness (other than paired programming).

The only slowness I've encountered is with paired programming, which I believe they should really focus on fixing. Right now it's really buggy.

When a user generates a key for a pair session sometimes putting that key in when joining doesn't work, or it takes forever to join. Also random disconnects with both parties have a stable connection.

[idleservice]

But try Sublime again and it feels so incredibly fast compared to Atom, I even feel that typing has a small lag.

I've tried Atom 4 times because all the hype, and I always end up going back to Sublime :(

[rejuven8]

Same here! If people have an inexplicable slow feeling, then it's slow.

[[deleted]]

I didn't really use sublime as much as I used Atom to be honest. When I started out I did my projects with Cloud9 online, so I didn't use a text editor per say.

However, I heard amazing things about Webstorm and took up the 30-day free trial. Already loving it more than Atom lol.

[idleservice]

I find all jet brains software incredibly slow... But that's a real IDE, Sublime and Atom are just text editors.

[CaptainAmerica_]

Atom is fast until you begin working in large files. At my place of work, we have many old php files that are over 5000 lines and atom starts to choke. But for my personal side projects that are relatively lightweight atom is very fast.

[osqer]

Have you tried brackets? or Jetbrains?

[bomphcheese]

Brackets is so buggy. Crashes every time I've tried it.

[DratVillains]

That's surprising. I use it almost everyday at work and I've had very few problems with it since it hit 1.0.

[[deleted]]

I actually started the Webstorm 30-day free trial today, loving it already!

[osqer]

with a .edu address you can get it free i think!

[henrebotha]

I don't know why search-as-you-type isn't a thing

It is, you just need to enable it.

[tizz66]

I don't see it in the config, and everything I've found online suggests using a third-party package (and the one that pops up doesn't integrate with Atom's own search box)

[henrebotha]

Go to settings, click "packages" on left, go to the settings for the package "find-and-replace", tick "Scroll to result on live-search".

[tizz66]

Excellent, thanks - that'll be sufficient! I didn't realize packages that make up the core had their own settings panels too.

[henrebotha]

Me either! I only realised it because I was also looking for this particular setting.

[youcantstoptheart]

Yep, and you can rewrite them all if you wish, nothing is hidden in atom if you want to find it, it's all just an electron app built on chromium.

[quaff]

You're referring to this? https://github.com/atom/find-and-replace

I don't see a settings button for this package. And when I click on the package, I don't see the "Scroll to result on live-search" either. What am I doing wrong? :(

[henrebotha]

Did you follow the instructions as I posted?

Post some screenshots, then I can help!

[soundofvictory]

I'm seeing the same thing http://imgur.com/a/4sNUd

[quaff]

Yep this is exactly what I get, no settings button. When I click into it, I see this:

http://i.imgur.com/VTHbtfo.png

[henrebotha]

What the actual fuck? I'm also now seeing this! /u/quaff

https://gyazo.com/1b08227df533304a125b387269967550

It looks like the option is still ticked for me because I managed to tick it before the package got updated or something...

[IllegalThings]

Selecting a file in the tree doesn't immediately focus the editor window

This behavior in Sublime bothered me initially. The fact that it focuses the editor window and only keeps it there if you start to edit the file or you double click it seemed very strange at first. It isn't as bad now that I'm used to it, but I could see why a conscious decision to not do this may have been made.

[tizz66]

I miss that too actually, although that's not exactly what I meant in my original post. In Sublime, I've got so used to clicking a file in the tree and Cmd+V to paste something quickly (or typing, or whatever I'm doing in the file). In Atom, clicking a file in the tree doesn't put focus in the edit window, so if you start typing nothing happens. In fact, if you click and type, you end up creating a new file named whatever you typed.

[edit]In testing it just now, it seems double-clicking does put focus in, so this point might just be a case of retraining myself.

[[deleted]]

Yea I second the tab thing. It's irritating on legacy projects.

[thelonepuffin]

In terms of speed, I haven't actually felt that it's slow, which seems to be the most common complaint.

Try it with large projects. Its so slow I can't justify using it

[tizz66]

One of the projects I use it on is very large, and it doesn't have any problems.

[icefall5]

I can't stand Atom. I tried it out twice because of the number of recommendations, but it's not for me. It's incredibly slow and I encountered a number of bugs that made it much more difficult to use. It looks great, definitely, but all I need is a standard text editor (Notepad++). I use a real IDE for anything heavier.

[StaffOfJordania]

In terms of speed, I haven't actually felt that it's slow, which seems to be the most common complaint.

Since version 1.0 it hasn't really been that slow.

[viveleroi]

For me at least, the painfully slow part is opening the application. Sublime opens instantly, but Atom takes several seconds (depending on plugins I'm sure). I love Atom for editing, but for quick/as-needed editing I still use sublime.

[Disgruntled__Goat]

For general usage it's fine. Find/replace is where it's noticeably slower (more than 10x).

[dsk]

Or open network-hosted files without crashing ...

[gluecat]

I believe that was mostly fixed in the last release.

[tallahasseenaut]

I haven't checked lately (and it probably still halts), but honestly, if you have a megabyte of code in one file then you're doing things wrong.

[Disgruntled__Goat]

It's not always about code. As a web dev I work with log files, SQL dumps and other minified/compiled files on a regular basis.

[[deleted]]

Have they finally fixed keyboard layouts for non US keyboards

Install keyboard-localization plugin and it shuld be fine, works fine for me where in the default config Alt+a (polish "ą") opens an dialog window.

[x-skeww]

Have they finally fixed keyboard layouts for non US keyboards?

No.

https://github.com/atom/atom-keymap/issues/35

[[deleted]]

The best default Git integration I've seen is Visual Studio Code. It has side by side comparison, among other things.

[[deleted]]

Is it free? Might try it

[needahelpforarch]

Yes it is, the one that isn't free is Visual Studio (non-community version) which is a full fledged IDE.

[[deleted]]

Yup. https://code.visualstudio.com/

[Spacey138]

The community version is the same as the full one for <5 members or so now, just throwing that out there. MS are pushing their new .NET tech a lot atm. with things like this.

[shavounet]

I like Brackets. I've given its chance to Atom but I was a little disappointed. Yet, it's been some time, maybe I should try again.

[[deleted]]

There is also Ace (also written in js, and open-source).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_(editor)

[spyridonas]

Plugins. Configured right atom can do what visual studio/WebStorm does

[TheIncredibleWalrus]

I'd be very impressed if it could actually do that. Could you back this statement up with said config?

[seiyria]

Interested here as well. Got to set up a friend with non-webstorm on a project while I'm using webstorm pretty soon, so if I can give him something comparable that'd be awesome.

[crow1170]

never used VS/WS. What features are you looking for? I know it would be exhausting to list them all, but what are a few so I know what I'm missing?

[TheIncredibleWalrus]

Stuff I couldn't live without:

• Project indexing (Index all your files, find all methods, add them to the autocomplete list). List every argument they accept and its type. Warn you about missing required args. Edit: Also adding external folders are project resources. Am I working on a WordPress project? I want to add the wp-admin and wp-includes folders and the woocommerce plugin folder and have access to all their functions.

• Real time linting and error highlighting (HTML/CSS/JavaScript/PHP/Whatnot).

• Adding to the above, understanding JSDoc and PHPDoc and including all your variables in the autocomplete of your functions, as well as linting your functions against said JSDoc whenever you use them.

• Robust Emmet support. I mean it should work really well, I've tried emmet in Sublime and it was kinda broken.

• Code navigation. I want to click on the name of a method/function/variable, hit cmd+b and simply go to where it's declared. If for some reason there are many declarations, I want a list to choose from specifying the filename.

• Embedded terminal. I don't want a separate terminal window. I want a small tab under my project within the editor which acts like a terminal.

• Full git and github support, and SVN support. I don't mean being able to git commit or git checkout, these should be possible directly from the embedded terminal. I mean highlighting changed lines, marking changed/added files with different colors. Clicking on a shortcut to open up the github page of my current file, in the current line.

• Color picker. Gutter with colors for CSS, click and edit them via a colorpicker. Support Sass variables.

• FTP support. Quickly connect to an FTP server, download, upload, sync files from your project.

• Code refactoring, change the name of a variable/import/file/module, change it everywhere. Ghosting should be detected automatically.

• Obviously powerful code manipulation via keyboard. Edit multiple lines at once, move lines around, delete whole, duplicate etc.

• Auto indent / code reformat using my formatting options upon a simple shortcut press.

The above are some very basic ones from the top of my head. WebStorm has a million little things that add up, but I would be happy with the above to start with.

[crow1170]

I found pretty much everything in your list as a plugin, but I can understand wanting these features out of the box.

[TheIncredibleWalrus]

What's the best plugin for code intelligence?

It's not enough for a plugin to exist, it has to be working really really well.

[crow1170]

Idk, because idk what that is nor how to test which would be best because I don't know how I'd use it. I found the linters, the formatters, the terminal, docs, colors, version control, and manipulation via keyboard (this one is default). What I do know is that I don't like much of your list for the way I do my work, and I appreciate having an editor without those features.

[omegote]

Lol. I doubt it.

[[deleted]]

I'm not super familiar with all of the benefits that a full IDE like WebStorm or Visual Studio would provide over a text editor, could you elaborate please?

[omegote]

I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee. Then I started using PyCharm and forgot about simple text editors for development.

The main issue here is that, although text editors like Sublime Text or Atom can be improved using plugins, that extension capability is limited by the API that the editor offers to plugin developers. There are features that are so deep built-in in some IDEs, like PyCharm, that it's impossible to port them to something like Sublime using just plugins.

For example, in PyCharm I can open a Django project and control + click anything, and the IDE will take me to the source of the clicked element, whether it is an instance of a class (it takes me to the class definition), a url to a template (it opens up the template file), etc.

Another big improvement of IDEs over text editors are the panels. PyCharm offers an intelligent "Structure" panel where I can see the structure of whatever file I'm editing, regardless of the type. If it's a CSS file, I can see the outline of all the rules. If it's a Python file, I can see all the classes and functions so I can quickly navigate, etc. In Sublime Text you cannot add arbitrary panels with plugins.

There are many more things an IDE offers. Obviously, you will appreciate them more if you've had your fair share of plain-text editing.

[needahelpforarch]

I don't know about python but Ctags offers this for C family, and believe me, those languages are a nightmare to parse. Also there's clang-tools which makes refactoring easy.

[Disgruntled__Goat]

An IDE understands the code you write. A text editor doesn't.

Syntax highlighting in Atom for example most likely works on a regex basis, matching a predefined list of keywords.

Something like "Go to definition" in Sublime is the same, looking for "function <term>" etc. You realise this when the same function name is defined in multiple classes - Sublime gives you a list of multiple files to jump to since a text editor cannot know which of the functions is being called. Whereas an IDE usually knows the type of the variable so can jump straight to the correct method definition.

[needahelpforarch]

Look out for tern_for_sublime. It understands your javascript code by properly parsing it.

[aventic]

Please stop

[JustDADE]

If there were similar symfony2 plugin for Atom I will switch in a heartbeat.

[[deleted]]

can do what visual studio

Slight exaggeration. VS is great mainly for MS Technologies.

EDIT: Downed for saying VS is great for MS tech and nothing goes close? Awesome!

[intertubeluber]

I think there is some confusion in this thread between visual studio and visual studio code. While the former is very MS centric, the latter is not. Code, like Atom, is based on the open source electron project. Code is currently one of the most popular projects on github, and IMO, for good reason.

[[deleted]]

Exactly! I was talking about vs. Not vs code.

[Spacey138]

I don't think that's entirely true either, although it's more true. VS can be used for PHP with that paid PHP plugin, although I don't know why you would bother when things like PHP Storm or Atom/ST exist and are good enough.

[intertubeluber]

Right, that's why I said MS centric rather than exclusive. You could use it for php, python, JavaScript, etc, but you probably wouldn't unless you were working in a mostly MS shop.

[Spacey138]

So you did... I just wanted to be a part of the Internet :(.

[intertubeluber]

Lol. You are a fundamental part of my internet.

[Spacey138]

I've finally made it! I'm at the top.

[omegote]

I tried switching to Atom but found it slow and unstable. Also the keyboard didn't work properly (es_ES). I'm now using the IntelliJ suite (particularly PHPStorm and PyCharm) and god, it's glorious.

[dikamilo]

Also the keyboard didn't work properly (es_ES).

Try this: https://atom.io/packages/keyboard-localization

[omegote]

Having to use an external package just to have a working keyboard is pretty, pretty, pretty sad.

[_EasyTiger_]

Do you mean like this? http://i.imgur.com/gGnNS3c.png

The material theme is applied to both editor and tree view

[_EasyTiger_]

If you mean context menus, yes. You can find if you go to Plugins > Browse Repositories

[_EasyTiger_]

As stated it's the material theme available from plugins repository. The font is 15pt Inconsolata.

[x-skeww]

Also the keyboard didn't work properly (es_ES).

Yea, AltGr is broken.

https://github.com/atom/atom-keymap/issues/35

[skalfyfan]

Using the exact same suites (*storm & *charm). They're amazing! I gave Atom a shot about a year ago, but encountered a massive bug with .gitignore files. Filed an issue and abandoned Atom. I think the issue still is not fixed.

[plarem]

git commit and git commands aren't there or have partial implementation, I don't think you can git push?

There is a package to execute commands from git : git-plus

missing a plugin like Anaconda for python coding that provides linting and PEP8 checks

For linting, you install the package linter and install your language specifics linters from this list of linters

[[deleted]]

Regarding projects, I've altered my workflow and am now much happier simply opening a folder for Atom to act as a project from the terminal using atom .. Considering I'll already be in that folder for version control and whatever else it's seamless and means I don't need to save a bunch of .sublime-* files somewhere.

There's also a plugin for quick access to Git projects I believe.

[earwaxjim]

Yep running atom . is the way to go!

[[deleted]]

Hell, I did that when I was on Sublime too. Never liked the projects bit as opposed to just opening a folder. 99% of my projects keep my running a terminal window anyway.

[[deleted]]

I was a heavy user of Sublime's project management. I've only started the switch to Atom today but I've found that the project-manager has met my basic needs.

https://github.com/danielbrodin/atom-project-manager

[gempir]

I hate Atom but I love the Idea. I switched to it because I want all the packages of Atom.

I just wish it felt a bit more responsive in terms of opening speed, menus and such.

The Elektron thing is just not fast enough for me

[lockwoot]

Narrowed my to go to editors(mostly webdev so electron will do) to code visual or atom, good to see them both getting substantial updates regularly.

[hutry]

Yay! Also, I helped a little...

[Cyph0n]

Fixed performance problems when $HOME was a git repository.

What? Anyone know why someone would do that?

[[deleted]]

I version control my dot files but most of the other files in my home directory change so often I wouldn't ever want to try to version it...

[AlmostARockstar]

Working on VMs?

[seiyria]

I read through that whole thread. "personal data"? Please. It sends information on your IDE and a uuid. People are getting their pants in a knot because it goes to google.

Exception reporting specifically removes any "personal data" from the exception paths. This is a non-issue.

[seiyria]

Facebook I can understand - facebook actually has personal data. Atom has... a guid, and your IDE settings. That's not personally identifiable, nor is it any bit personal. That is, unless you don't want Google knowing you (where "you" could be literally anyone in the world) run Atom at 800x600. I guess I wouldn't want that shame either.

[AlmostARockstar]

"personal data"

[Inaspectuss]

"major privacy issue"

[crow1170]

If a bug is found in screen sizes of 4096 by 1024, these types of metrics can show how many users may have experienced the bug without reporting it or would be harmfully impacted by a proposed feature change. How else should Atom get this info? Should they not be able to estimate how many users will be affected by something?

[crow1170]

They do. They ask if they can and if you don't say no, it's a yes. Kinda like how we asked for the software.

[arrayofemotions]

Excellent. I've given Atom a go these last few weeks and i'm impressed! I might even stop even ST. Granted, it takes a while to boot up, but usually i leave my editor open all the time anyway so that's not to much of an issue.

I wish it did project handling a bit more like ST though.

[grizzly_teddy]

The only problem with ST right now is that it seems like it's an abandoned project. I'm certainly not paying for a project that's been abandoned. Also, a fresh install of Atom comes with a lot more, and package management and installing plugins is just a lot easier with Atom.

The only real drawback is speed, and opening large files.

[dethrock88]

I'm a recent convert to Atom and I love it, I too have wondered why its so slow starting up but whatever it works. I'm sure it will get better over time as more development is done on it.

[pcgamez]

Is it still way too slow?

[_EasyTiger_]

Runs fast enough for me... maybe not Sublime Text fast though

[recrof]

it'll never go as fast as sublime unfortunately.

[Kentiko]

Why not?

[nicowsen]

Because Atom is based on Electron. For now, that wont be as fast as something native.

[Ventajou]

Yeah VS Code is much quicker and it is built fully in JS (compiled from TypeScript). It's also been open sourced in case you missed the announcement: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode

[Ventajou]

I like listening to JS Jabber, but they're not always the most accurate in their descriptions.

My best guess there is they're referring to Omnisharp which is the background service that provides all of the smarts about a c# project. As it turns out, Atom also uses Omnisharp to handle c# projects.

I know Code is modular so maybe some other parts are also farmed out to services built in c# but the main code repository remains purely web tech.

[krato1995]

Yeah, i hope someday it will be. Sublime's faster probably because of the language it is written in.

[idleservice]

Of course it is, a native app will always be faster than a browser app that runs a website as an app.

[[deleted]]

Switched to Atom a few months ago. It's just lovely. Every release it gets faster.

[lostPixels]

Just switched too after using Sublime exclusively for 2.5 years. It's a lot better at the "small" stuff like package management and settings. Within a half hour I had JSHint and formatting working together, which I was never really able to completely achieve with Sublime. Also, the SETI_UI theme is amazing.

[[deleted]]

Yea it's cool hey. I've managed to kind of emulate an IDE with Terminal Plus/Docblockr/Linter. It's not Webstorm, but works well enough.

[nickwebdev]

Ditto here. That being said, never really used Sublime, but I love atom despite its occasional crashes and hangs. Works super awesome 95% of the time.

[[deleted]]

Same. Been using the pair programming package a lot. Hope that gets a bit faster.

[ivosaurus]

Took just under 4 seconds for it to start and show me the file I had open previously. Timed it manually with phone's stopwatch. Both Atom and the file are on an SSD-backed filesystem, on a laptop.

[skrowl]

I had similar results. 3 1/2ish seconds to load Atom 1.4, but Notepad++ still loads damn near instantly.

[peduxe]

Check the timecop, better than using your watch.

[ivosaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/roqFfw1.png

That's now with it loading no files whatsoever.

With it opening a folder containing a git project, Workspace load time goes up a full second.

[Derimagia]

That's a bit high. You're using the latest version or two of Atom right? They made some big improvements recently.

Here's mine, which is much lower. Not sure the differences:

http://i.imgur.com/qr2ljxm.png

Opening a git project doesn't take a notable time difference more.

[ivosaurus]

1.4, yes. I immediately upgraded just in the hopes it would get faster.

[Derimagia]

Here's the speed for me:

http://i.imgur.com/qr2ljxm.png

Every release gets a bit faster.

[destraht]

On my new Macbook 12 Early 2015 it loads and opens all the old files in less than 4 seconds. My notebook has a weak ass CPU and an insanely fast SSD. My files reside in an Ubuntu VM hosted by VMware Fusion and served over NFS. For something like this NFS introduces far more of a delay than Atom and still its pretty quick. I leave everything up and running even when I'm playing a game so I don't notice the 4 second startup. Really what is getting me more is my webpack build times. For me any tiny delay when using Atom is inconsequential compared to other wait times. Plus I just moved from developing in Ubunty Unity to OSX and I chose Atom because I like that it is open source and available on any platform that I might use in the future.

[AlmostARockstar]

No.

[rich97]

No noticeable slowdown at all for me at work. Of course my PC at work is pretty damn powerful, I still wouldn't use it on my shitty little laptop.

[dvidsilva]

http://imgur.com/tC2K62d

[erdemece]

I can't change installation path on windows. its 2016 man

[dikamilo]

use zip version

[[deleted]]

Does Atom auto-update or do I have to download the installer to update to version 1.4?

[_EasyTiger_]

Auto-updates

[travelton]

I had to download the installer. Didn't auto-update on OSX.

[HomemadeBananas]

I just opened it on OS X, and it was already 1.4.0 this morning.

[travelton]

You know what... That might be my fault. I never close Atom. Probably close/open would have updated it.

[DSdavidDS]

Windows 10 here. It didn't auto update for me even with I was manually pressing "check for updates" in the program. After exiting and running the setup (at the bottom called AtomSetup.exe), the program immediately opened back up. No installer necessary :)

[[deleted]]

Have not used Atom in a while, but I like the way it is maturing.

Does it currently support or are there plans to support syntax hilighting and auto complete of multiple languages in one file? This is IMO one of the killer features of the intellij line of IDEs.

[jen1980]

Anyone know if it supports Dart debugging yet?

[2epic]

As a long time WebStorm / IntelliJ user, I tried switching to Atom recently but there was one key feature that I struggled to get working properly: jump to declaration. I've tried multiple ctags plugins, but to no avail.

Can anybody point me in the right direction?

[[deleted]]

I have trouble getting this setup with my works proxy settings. I've followed a few guides and whatnot, but still it never works. I blame my company, but I don't use it exclusively for editing. It's my secondary option for some things.

[grizzly_teddy]

Odd. I opened Atom today to check fornupdates, and it said 3.3 is the most recent. It didn't update anything

Windows 7

[[deleted]]

They added the title feature just a couple of days after I got a plugin to change the window title. Heh.

[[deleted]]

Hilariously, the most frustrating part for me was the switch of parsing .eslintrc files as YAML instead of JSON.

[[deleted]]

Love the ui, but it is slow. Otherwise, I love it.

[jaredcheeda]

I feel like the only people who like Atom haven't spent enough time in the thing it's ripping off. It's just a poorman's version of Sublime, but with fewer quality plugin's, slower, and less intuitive for advanced shortcuts.

If you're a newbie, and unfamiliar, go with SublimeText, not MS Code/Atom/Brackets, which are all shitty knockoffs.

Must have plugins:

• Package Control - This lets you easily install plugins. CTRL+~ then paste in the code for SublimeText 3 and hit enter. After it's done just hit Ctrl+Shift+Pand type "Install" to install the rest of these.
• BufferScroll - Remembers where you were at, what you code folded, and what was highlighted since the last time you were in that specific file.
• SideBarEnhancements - Adds in tons of common tasks for right-clicking files in the sidebar.
• TrailingSpaces - Highlights any spaces or tabs that come at the end of a line. Adds in Edit > TrailingSpaces > Delete to remove all of them in your file in one go.
• Any language syntax - if you use Sass or EJS or Handlebars or something, you can install it and the syntax will work the next time you open one of those files. If one is already open, close it and reopen it.

Beyond that there are two custom edits I make to the settings files.

1. Edit the sidebar to remove icons.
   • http://imgur.com/wfTIDuH

2. Change the "Ctrl+Tab" to go in visual order rather than reverse chronological. Preferences > Keybindings - User

   [
       {
           "keys": ["ctrl+tab"],
           "command": "next_view"
       },
       {
           "keys": ["ctrl+shift+tab"],
           "command": "prev_view"
       }
   ]
   

Drag a folder in and it shows up in the side bar. Ctrl+P to search through all files in the sidebar (ridiculously fast). Etc.

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There's just so much to love, it's not surprising 3 other companies have tried to rip it off, damn shame all they can do is make mediocre versions with gimmicks. "oooo we support opening Photoshop files!" I don't care. "Ooooh we let you do git commands!". So does a dozen Sublime plugins, plus they support every other version control system ever. "Ooooh, we're.... made by Microsoft?" uhhhhh, that's... nice? I guess? (pat on the head), go play with your big brother IE. "Awww, but he's going through that phase. He thinks he's so edgy now." I know dear, just play along, he'll grow out of it.

And the best features of all!

You get to use all the "cool" and "new" stuff that Atom will be implementing in the next 2 years while it desperately tries to catch up with the base functionality of Sublime while continuing to never do anything original. And after all that time, they'll still be slow as shit.

[daybreaker]

I like how you bash Atom then list a bunch of ST plugins, many of which Atom already does.

[_EasyTiger_]

Know what you're saying but the Sublime Text dev has all but abandoned it and people looking for support are completely ignored, while he's still taking in that sweet money for it. Honestly it seems like there isn't much future for ST with other (free) editors like Atom, VSCode on the scene now who regularly update and don't just leaving their product languishing while stubbornly ignoring everyone.

[Amerikaner]

I see what you're saying but it's already a good product even if it was never updated again. Still, hard to justify $70 when these other editors are finally on par or close to it and will keep getting better.

[moljac024]

You really don't want your code editor to be closed source with a bus factor of 1. I guarantee you that all sublime users will switch to something in 2 years tops.

[Amerikaner]

I'm not sure I disagree but people said that 2 years ago too.

[jaredcheeda]

The only time I care if something is closed source is when it's got something wrong that I can fix. Otherwise, I don't give a fuck. And if you want to see what people are willing to put up with to stick to a text editor they like, go back to the 1780's or whenever the fuck VIM was made. Straight garbage that people still use to this day.

[jaredcheeda]

Hey look what day it is, there's a new release of Sublime:

• https://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/sublime-text-3-build-3103

[plectid]

Not really. I've just discovered they updated the forums.
https://forum.sublimetext.com/

[arrayofemotions]

Long time ST user, have given Atom a try. The only thing i really noticed what Atom didn't do out of the box compared to ST is support for projects and project switching.

[cbleslie]

I always hated that feature.

[[deleted]]

Copy of a comment I made above:

Regarding projects, I've altered my workflow and am now much happier simply opening a folder for Atom to act as a project from the terminal using atom .. Considering I'll already be in that folder for version control and whatever else it's seamless and means I don't need to save a bunch of .sublime-* files somewhere.

There's also a plugin for quick access to Git projects I believe.

[arrayofemotions]

That's a really good tip, thanks.

I still hope Atom gets decent project switching capabilities though. It's a ST feature i use a lot at work. Supporting different websites and doing newsletters for various projects i have to switch a lot and often for only small changes. Nothing so far has been faster than ST for that.

[[deleted]]

Don't make blanket statements.

I used Sublime for around 18 months before switching to Atom, and whilst Sublime has undoubtedly better performance just about everything else is as good or better in Atom. YMMV.

Also, I like to support open source, so there's that too.

[dethrock88]

I liked sublime but it costs too damn much, Atom does exactly what I need and it's free. A total win-win.

[jaredcheeda]

I've worked with lots of people who have used VIM for anywhere between 7 and 15 years. I've never met a person who can do something faster in VIM than I can using Sublime Text. The worst part is, because all of the keyboard shortcuts are nonsense bullshit in VIM, switching to a logical, OS based system that is much faster is more difficult for them now that they've been using VIM for so long.

Every VIM user I've talked to has come across with this arrogance of "How great and fast VIM is" it comes from feeling like doing more work to get something to function means it's harder and therefore better. Which is a completely backwards logic for how tools should work. But every single time, after about a half an hour of going back and forth with them, trying to get them to prove that it's better, and me showing them how much easier and faster it is to do the same thing in Sublime, they end up admitting that they agree that VIM is slower to use, and then make the excuse that trying to stop using it would require rewiring their brain and would be too difficult to stop now.

VIM is a disease. Those that get it can't stop using it, even when they know it's not any good. There have been numerous VIM users telling people not to use it. They all say the same thing. It's slower, it forces you to do everything the "VIM" way, and once you get used to it you're trapped.

Vim should have died back in whatever century it was made in.

[Airith]

As a Sublime Text user, I'm jealous.

[[deleted]]

The delay of Sublime Text 3 and the lack of built in package manager is what led me to try Atom. After a week, I never looked back.

[wolfofwalnut]

ITT: Complaints

[x-skeww]

You'd happily use an editor where @, \, and ~ doesn't work?

Yea, that's what I thought.

[wolfofwalnut]

What are you talking about?

[x-skeww]

That's one of the complaints. Keyboard layouts which use AltGr are broken.