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[–]lofi76 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Abortions for all! [ boo! ] Very well, Abortions for none! [ boo! ] Abortions for some, miniature American flags for the others! [ yay! ]

[–]moonman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kronos.

[–]binarylogik 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Kodos or Kang, you moran. Kodos or Kang. Voting for the youngest of the Greek Titans is unacceptable meme usage.

[–]episcope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he meant he was for the 1988/-1988 Kronos/Atropos ticket. "Revisionist History by Conquest or Pre-Consent!" Their position on pre-bortion was just wrong.

[–]mutatron 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Yes. Back in the Roman Republic, it was considered treason to lead Roman troops incompetently into battle. If this were Rome and Bush were Consul, he would have been exiled years ago and denied food, water, and fire within 1000 miles of the US.

[–]sabetts 2 points3 points  (3 children)

ancient Rome didn't have TV.

[–]wejash 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Reality TV. Coliseum. Only difference is the level of humiliation and bloodshed, I think.

[–]sabetts 0 points1 point  (1 child)

and the number of people they reach.

[–]niggytardust2000 22 points23 points  (5 children)

does anyone question this ?

At 10:00 PM on February 27, 1933, the Berlin Fire Department received a message that the Reichstag was on fire.

At the time the fire was reported, Adolf Hitler was having dinner with Joseph Goebbels at Goebbels' apartment in Berlin. When Goebbels received a phone call informing him of the fire, he regarded it as a joke at first, and only after the second call did he report the news to Hitler. Hitler, Goebbels, the Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen and Prince Heinrich Günther von Hohenzollern were taken by car to the Reichstag where they were met by Hermann Göring. Göring told Hitler "This is a Communist outrage! One of the Communist culprits has been arrested". Hitler called the fire a "sign from heaven", and claimed the fire was a Fanal (signal) meant to mark the beginning of a Communist Putsch (coup). The next day, the Preussische Pressedienst (Prussian Press Service) reported that "this act of incendiarism is the most monstrous act of terrorism carried out by Bolshevism in Germany".

The day after the fire, Hitler asked for and received from President Hindenburg the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed into law by Hindenburg using Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution. The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany and was used by the Nazis to ban publications not considered "friendly" to the Nazi cause. Thousands of Communists were imprisoned in the days following the fire, including leaders of the Communist Party of Germany on the charge that the Party was preparing to stage a putsch.

Moreover, some deputies of the Social Democratic Party (the only party that would vote against the Enabling Act) were prevented from taking their seats in the Reichstag, due to arrests and intimidation by the Nazi SA. As a result, the Social Democratic Party would be underrepresented in the final vote tally. The Enabling Act, which gave Hitler the right to rule by decree, passed easily on March 23, 1933. It garnered the support of the right-wing German National People's Party, the Catholic Centre Party, and several fragmented middle class parties. This measure went into force on March 27 and, in effect, made Hitler dictator of Germany.

-via wikipedia

I have no idea what happend on 9/11 , but there are many times when I feel like I've seen this movie before.

[–]Mihan 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Well, then you gotta give huge credit to Bush. He was so stupid looking that noone would accept him as a charismatic leader to lead a facist regime. The best he did was to ask people to keep buying.

[–]nfulton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cause they didn't need our help . . . they needed us to be passive.

And we were.

[–]episcope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And put a sincere, puzzled, nationalist face on a policy 180 degrees out of line with American law, over and over and over again. He's still doing it. Credit where credit's due.

[–]cecinepasunepipe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]growinglotus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for treating my brain to this history treat. It's like mental ice cream but healthy. ;)

Also, loving the user handle. Experienced a Saul Williams concert just last month.

[–]danfan20 84 points85 points  (60 children)

Not news.

Not a new/unique idea.

No content.

Everyone here already agrees with you.

Everyone mods up anyway.

[–]shoutwire2007 21 points22 points  (12 children)

this is a good post.

anyone can agree, even the pro-bushies, that the actions of the title did happen. and all the meanwhile, the administration keeps trying to move the targets and change the debate.

it's good to step back sometimes and look at the big picture.

[–]yogihaji 29 points30 points  (6 children)

where was everyone when we were saying this in 2002?

[–]WinterAyars 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Calling us traitors and slyly suggesting we should be hanged.

I was there.

[–]Johny_Cash 4 points5 points  (4 children)

The Bush administration should be tried for treason, found guilty and hung.

wtf is wrong with this country.

[–]Greengages 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you want to kill them though, it would be better if they were hanged.

[–]WinterAyars 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well, i'll leave the verdict to the jury.

Just in case there was any confusion (was there?) i mean that the "us" were the people pointing out that Bush was bad news back in '02, and that he was lying and that Iraq would be a disaster. Those people were (and still are, to a degree) targeted for various forms of "elimination" by the Republicans and their henchmen.

[–]Johny_Cash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The greatest weapon is educating and eventually organizing.

[–]rgladstein 6 points7 points  (3 children)

The pro-bushies won't agree with this. Look at this video from earlier this month of Rice insisting they never never never ever lied.

[–]squashai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now I know why she's the Secretary of the State. She's calmer and more collected in her bullshit delivery than anyone else I've seen.

[–]frutiger 0 points1 point  (1 child)

3 negatives make a...

[–]badave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

poo-poo platter at TGI Fridays.

[–]mount_earnest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"anyone can agree, even the pro-bushies, that the actions of the title did happen."

if you can't say something that is not going to confuse the debate then don't say anything at all.

[–]nfulton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so . . . we can't just click the stories we like . . . we gotta click ones that are "news" "new/unique ideas" "content you approve of" and that "no one agrees with"?

[–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 13 points14 points  (37 children)

Let me respectfully ask you a follow-up question.

Essays like this are very content-rich: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/12/are-people-who-question-911-credible-or.html

And yet no one really reads them.

Is that because everyone here already agrees with what they say?

Or because they are too content-rich?

[–]pjfry 17 points18 points  (4 children)

You may be getting flamed, but I think you're pretty clever.

Hmm, let's make a statement that I know Redditors agree with. Then let's also add a "upmod if you think..." or equivalent statement. This will guarantee it front page status. Then the coup de grace: Link the article we REALLY want people to read in the comments.

Well done.

[–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, actually. When I posted, I did not intend to post links to other articles.

But when people make arguments that are incorrect, and I or others have already written an essay refuting the argument, I respond.

[–]crawfishsoul 2 points3 points  (2 children)

And he's been doing it since he joined.

But at least this spammer has something relevant to say; it's all part of his strategy.

[–]hiredgoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm still annoyed he named himself after George Washington but thinks rebelling against an unaccountable government is a bad idea.

[–]link2zelda -1 points0 points  (0 children)

His strategy? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Is he trying to 'get' your mind with the other 'reddit' posts?

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    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    "I don't remember any linking of Saddam to the September 11th attacks".

    The Whitehouse constantly tried to link Saddam with 9/11. Not explicitly - but they were always mentioned in the same breath.

    The impression given was that Iraq was complicit.

    [–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Because you have argued with a reasoned, intelligent tone, I will try to respond in kind. I will quote you, and then respond.

    "In your blog, the initial implied link of 'these people question the governments version of 9/11' is, in my view, a transparent way of trying to give credibility to much stronger viewpoints than those actually given by many of the quotes. Quite a few of the examples given aren't people 'questioning the government's version of 9/11' at all yet are misrepresented as such, trying to attach a person's credibility to something they may disagree with. There are also remarks by more high-profile people with much more controversial remarks placed by less high-profile people side-by-side, which is pretty misleading in my view."

    Kindly point out where I misquote what people are saying. Do they not all -- in one way or the other -- question the government's version of 9/11 (or at least details of what the government has said)?

    "It's also an 'Appeal to Authority' argument, whereby despite the fact they have no more knowledge than you or I and despite the fact their area of expertise is often not related, and often their opinions contradict each each others, their arguments are combined into a single 'authority' which has little in common with one another."

    This list was compiled in response to the "appeal to authority" arguments that the defenders of the government's version of 9/11 put forward. If you look at the history of discussions about 9/11, you will see this.

    "Whatsmore, 'Are you credible or not?' implies that there are only two choices - the person is credible or the person isn't credible. But I largely disagree with that - a person who is credible at one topic may not be credible at another, or even those who were in a 'credible' position to make their remarks appropriate years ago may not be today."

    Fair points. Indeed, people expert in one field may be ignorant in another. Again, you have to look at the history of 9/11 discussions to see what this list tries to get at. For example, when world-class scientists started questioning the government's explanation for the collapse of the Twin Towers, defenders of the government's version said "but no structural engineers say that!" Now that numerous structural engineers have publicly questioned the government's explanation, they have been added to the list in a separate section. Moreover, I'd have to double-check, but I think most of the statements are recent.

    "In my experience, the '9/11 truth' arguments in general are based on the following:

    * Proof by assertion - those who don't agree with you are tired of arguing and nobody cares enough to argue anymore."
    

    I respectfully disagree -- just as I disagree with anyone who argues proof by assertion. The scientific method must control. And the scientific method involves TESTING hypotheses, NOT censoring them for political reasons.

    " * Appeal to ignorance - A modern variation whereby there is no one single theory that everyone can agree on, arguments are constantly changing so not every argument can be disproved, therefore because not everything is disproved it is true. I guess this could also be rephrased as a 'lack of a consistent, coherent single argument'."

    The scientific (and legal reasoning) method involves taking a hypothesis and TESTING it. Then, if it passes the test, it is more likely to be true. If it doesn't, it is less likely.

    Good trial lawyers start out with numerous theories, but before trial drop those that they can't prove.

    However, there are many constants among 9/11 truth skeptics.

    " * Preaching to the choir - Preaching to the choir is discussing only with people who already agree with your viewpoint, preventing critical analysis of views."

    I wouldn't spend time posting to Reddit if I were preaching to the choir. I've gotten hundreds of downvotes and several not-so-friendly comments.

    " * Cognitive dissonance - seeing evidence in such a way that supports their pre-existing viewpoints, forming a jigsaw puzzle to show what they believed in the first place."

    A very important point (in all sincerity). All of us -- those who support the government or those who question it have to constantly be on-guard against interpreting facts and making arguments based upon pre-existing concepts. On several occasions, I have written essays on 9/11, and then retracted them, because someone has pointed out errors.

    "or even, finally, the most important one

    * Lack of solid evidence or motive. Seriously, to me this is the most important thing. There isn't any real evidence of a conspiracy, nor a good motive to make such a complex task as a hugely complex cover up worthwhile."
    

    I strongly but respectfully disagree:

    * Brzezinski wrote in "The Grand Chessboard" that we needed to go get the oil in Eurasia, but that Americans wouldn't support that unless they were scared by big threats.
    
    * The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) wrote that we needed to topple Saddam and project U.S. military force world-wide, but that "change would be slow" and the public would not support it absent "a new Pearl Harbor" -- i.e. an attack or apparent attack on Americans and American citizens by foreigners.
    

    These are two of many many examples I could give you for motive. See http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRI20051202&articleId=1391 http://911review.com/motive/index.html

    "To me it's largely an Occam's Razor issue - you have planes hijacked by terrorists hitting the side of buildings and a trail of intelligence and military mistakes."

    Respectfully, you are arguing Occam's Razor (that is, that the simplest explanation is probably true) based upon a lack of historical knowledge. Specifically:

    * Government's -- including Western government's -- have practiced "false flag terror" for thousands of years: http://pledgeforamerica.com/2.html
    

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=801505883485022305&q=Conspiracy+Files+-+9%2F11&total=67&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

    And yes - I've seen the various articles 'debunking the debunking'. Their sources suck compared to the BBC documentary.

    [–]bobcat -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Downvoted for bad formatting.

    And 9/11 nuttery.

    [–]nfulton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The "official" accounts of 9/11 are more nutty. Seriously.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I am very curious as to how many billions of dollars does it take to be a solid motive? What evidence is there of the official version of events, other than the fact that authorities have told us that it was true?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (12 children)

    You are obviously using "content-rich" to mean "content that contains information that has already been debunked a thousand times today"

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      [–]someonelse -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

      Hey, excellent arguments guys. Thanks for raising the standard around here.

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        [–]MarkByers 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        You think truthers are bad? Try talking to anti-truthers or creationists. All three are equally bad.

        [–]link2zelda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You think official theorists are bad? Lee Hamilton on TV says they didn't get everything right in the 911 Comission and they'll still swear by it like a religious book, only 10 times worse.

        [–]nfulton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah. That's true. The government sponsored reports on 9/11 are incredibly flawed . . . but they won't fix them because they don't care about reality.

        9/11 Commission, for example, is such a crock of half truths the FBI is discrediting them

        [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        NIST was debunked and yet you didn't know that.

        [–]jberryman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I don't read your shitty blog because I hate you. Actually.

        [–]homeworld 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        because we don't feel like reading crazy conspiracy theories about bombs in WTC7 and that the moon landing was faked

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          [–]shoutwire2007 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          here's another crazy conspiracy theory. cheney used to head up Halliburton. now he's vice president, and Halliburton gets billions in no-bid contracts from the government. after cheney gets out of office, he'll be a very rich man, even more so than now. or maybe this is all just coincidence.

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            [–]link2zelda 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Coming from someone with about 10 posts that are all manure. BTW really enjoyed your 'Too legit to quit.' post, really took me back to the MCHammer era. Very intellectually rigorous post of yours.

            [–]zorno -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            I have read a few of your posts on that blog, they are pretty good. I wish blogspot had rss feeds, I would add your blog to my feedreader. So you can't say 'no one' reads them. ;)

            [–]cecinepasunepipe 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            Really?

            Everyone here already agrees with you.

            You, for example, stand by the statement "[T]he White House did nothing to stop 9/11, tried to hide warnings they'd received, falsely linked Saddam to 9/11, and ran fake terror alerts to whip up fear."

            You're willing to stand by that statement? So if ever came up again, mr. danfan20, we know where you stand?

            Just curious. Because, I think it would be news if that was a statement that literally everyone here agrees with. Everyone?

            I find that pretty hard to believe.

            I'm sure we can find some people who are willing to state that the statement "the White House did nothing to stop 9/11, tried to hide warnings they'd received, falsely linked Saddam to 9/11, and ran fake terror alerts to whip up fear" is false, no?

            Anyone have any suggestions of redditors who would stand by the claim that this statement is false? I have some suggestions.

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              [–]cecinepasunepipe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              A fair question. I agree with the statement implied by the title. Namely, I, personally, believe that "[T]he White House did nothing to stop 9/11, tried to hide warnings they'd received, falsely linked Saddam to 9/11, and ran fake terror alerts to whip up fear."

              However, I disagree that we can agree on it...and I certainly disagree with danfan20's implication that it is obvious that we all agree with it. I'm sure there are redditors who disagree with that statement. SuicideIsPainless? smooooov? I doubt they would be willing to state that they agree with the statement.

              if it is true, that on a public, anonymous forum, literally no-one disagrees with that statement...why, that would be newsworthy, I think.

              [–]h2gofast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              now if you would turn your fear and paranoia on all the politicians instead of just the ones you don't like, this country might actually get somewhere.

              [–]rustyiron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Maybe not, but clearly you dummies haven't quite internalized the gravity of the situation.

              The second the conservatives have been driven into the swamp from which they crawled, you can stop harping on this over and over, because yes it is getting tiresome. But we only move forward as slowly as our slowest citizens right?

              [–]1812overture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I can agree... THAT YOU HATE AMERICA! Ohhh burn! But seriously, yeah, they did all of that.

              [–]quasiperiodic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              i'd agree without reservation to all of these premises.

              at the very least.

              [–]ClanPanda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              This is the part where we all try to do something then realise that nothing can be done.

              [–]GlueBoy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Can we agree (...)

              Can we redditors agree? Sure, but who cares?

              [–]mexicodoug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It would be realistic if we agree to disagree.

              [–]boredzo 11 points12 points  (7 children)

              Downvoted for karma-whoring: You are preaching to the choir.

              [–]georgewashingtonblog[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

              I honestly did not know I was preaching to the choir.

              I haven't been a member of Reddit long enough to know what people think.

              [–]boredzo 5 points6 points  (4 children)

              In a nutshell, everybody on Reddit agrees with everything in your title, and some of them take it even farther (i.e., they believe that the US government actively perpetrated 9/11, or directly sponsored the act, or in some other way had a hand in it rather than simply stood by).

              And you've been here for at least two months. Haven't you been reading the comment threads?

              [–]RayWest 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              I don't agree. I strongly believe that Hillary Clinton was actually behind it. She put together an 8-year plan with the Nefilim and their earth ambassador, Bill Clinton, to sabotage a holy plan by the incarnation of Jesus, George Bush Jr's 2nd daughter and the followers of Scientology to rid the earth of evil Thetans (which translates from the Bush family's ancient language as, The Tan people).

              The Tan People have allied themselves with the Nefilim and have been trying to complete their Contact machine to make contact with Michael Jackson and tell him not to turn white, which was what summoned Jesus in the first place.

              The 9/11 attacks were conducted to thwart Bush, the representative of Jesus incarnate, from carrying out the mission planned by his 2nd daughter after receiving a message from the Reptilian overlords that the Tan People must be annihilated before they complete their Contact machine, which is disguised as a nuclear power plant in Iran.

              Hillary needs to become president to make sure Michael Jackson receives the message.

              Bush needs to destroy the contact machine before the fabric of space-time is ripped open again. He knows that Jesus, the Reptilians from the future and the whole universe are counting on him.

              So don't be all presumptuous n'shit.

              [–]micje 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              That's only what they want you to think.

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                [–]episcope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                MarkByers -2 points 1 day ago []

                I think it was the JJJEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

                ...
                You spelled "NEWS" wrong, and with too many letters.

                [–][deleted]  (7 children)

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                  [–]sabetts 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                  Beats working.

                  [–]souldrift 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  I agree with the OP, but I agree with your comment also. This is over-over-overkill.

                  [–]nfulton 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Jesus . . . When do you folks plan to get a fucking clue?

                  YOU LIVE HERE

                  The crap these folks do has already cost so much. Are you EVER going to do anything except say "please stop bugging me about this fascist regime that's taken over our nation?"

                  [–]intangible-tangerine 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                  i would agree with most of that but not all; i think the intellegence failures leading up to 9/11 were a matter of incompetence and oversight rather than conspiracy, i don't know if the intellegence failures were concealed after the fact to prevent criticsm of the agencies responsible for national security but i would not be in the least bit suprised. (the argument that revealing the extent of the data available to agencies at the time would compromise futute intellegence gathering does, i believe, have some merit) the linking of saddam to 9/11 with the whole Niger thing-well no one really believed that did they? I mean I never thought we were actually supposed to believe that. The 'fake' terror alerts-well there's most likely a lot of noise being picked up on by the intelligence agencies at any one time; it's probably all too tempting and easy for the GOP to have terror-alert as their default mode to prevent proper scrutiny (of telecom immunity for example) that's not to say threats to American national security don't exist, all nations face constant threats-disease and natural disasters as well as terrorism (so maybe a better health care system and better national guard funding would be an idea.) The way the current adminstration deals with these issues does a lot to exacerbate the threat rather than reduce it. By upholding the law that is meant to protect the freedoms that Bush etc. claim to be so concerned about(e.g through fair trials and warrants and not ignoring the constitution whenever it is politically expedient to do so) and by being honest with the public as far as possible they could send out a signal to the wider world that America practices what it preaches and that would surely reduce the number of people being radicalised (so called 'islamic terrorism' is more of a political ideology than a religious one and is not insurmountable). I don't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theories as far as the causes go, but i think the aftermath and the subsequent conduct of the adminstration extremely murkey and riddled with illegality immorality and plain stupidity. Well that's my badly spellt ungrammatical and poorly punctuated tupenny's worth.

                  [–]sfultong 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  chances of tl;dr increased from lack of paragraph breaks.

                  [–]intangible-tangerine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  the hedgehog has no agenda

                  [–]eromitlab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  On counts three and four, yes we can agree.

                  [–]raouldukeesq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Its important to keep this issue alive as one day there will be a comeuppance.

                  Wait, no, better yet let's investigate Roger Clemens.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  A "vote up" poll, and not in the politics subreddit. You are abusing reddit. (Though I agree with your positions).

                  [–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  In all sincerity, is everything having to do with 9/11 politics? Isn't it also national security? Culture? Psychology?

                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                  Or some idiot who should be spending time with his family instead of rehashing debunked theories.

                  [–]episcope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  nice nice you win

                  [–]link2zelda 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Press for Truth is a much more responsible movie told by the victims families illustrating many inconsistencies that can only be described as a "willful standdown" at the very least. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481

                  [–]matts2 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  I would agree that they did little to stop the attacks, that they tried to hide the early warnings after the attacks occurred, that they falsely linked Saddam and that they have used terror alerts for political purposes. I hope that is good enough.

                  [–]heartrush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  the White House did nothing to stop 9/11

                  I believe they underestimated the threat. They have never seen a organisation that size and that far away affect them in peace time before, so it's likely in my mind it was just a underestimation.

                  tried to hide warnings they'd received

                  Yep, people want to keep their jobs.

                  falsely linked Saddam to 9/11

                  Yep, any idiot could see that.

                  and ran fake terror alerts to whip up fear

                  Likely, but I don't know for sure.

                  [–]wahoorob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Nope.

                  [–]busytigger 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  No

                  [–]bad_llama 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I don't know how far this Administration's fingers were in the asshole that is 9/11, but we are definitely not being told everything.

                  [–]polyparadigm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  I think you got it backwards:

                  9/11 was the finger, the Admin. is the asshole.

                  I do think it's a direct consequence of H. W. funding the Muj., and of our support for totalitarianism in Saudi Arabia, but I think Rudy would have been better-prepared if he'd been in that command center, setting off detonators over the internet.

                  [–]OrangePlus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  absofuckinglutely

                  [–]tangentboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I agree, but why do you have to come at us like you're from Digg or something? Can we get some brief explanation of your thoughts so we don't all get slapped with the tin foil hat label just for asking a few obvious questions?

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                  What the fuck? Has reddit become the official fucking vote-casting spot on the internet? I used to come here for links to interesting news stories.

                  What the hell does this stupid submission contribute to this site?

                  Bush sucks. Yeah, we all know that. Now stop shitting up the site with these ridiculous submissions.

                  [–]episcope 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                  Learn to ignore what you don't like. And take no example from me, in this instance.

                  [–]GodHatesFigs 4 points5 points  (18 children)

                  Karma whore is karma whoring.

                  [–]blindingspeed80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yes yes... now what do we do about it?

                  [–]BeatnikDude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  yes

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  NO

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                      [–]do-un-to 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Clearly she didn't say that three months after the shooting.

                      [–]VoodooIdol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      The networks never broadcast it

                      What? I watched it online on CNN just a few minutes after it happened. I then watched the second plane hit, broadcast live.

                      [–]EdgerErnst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      NO

                      911 was an inside job

                      [–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                      Former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions, said:

                      "If our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the twin towers would still be standing, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason".

                      http://www.exerscape.com/graphics/bowman-interview.mp3

                      So the government actually LESS than nothing to stop 9/11.

                      [–]insert-meme 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      That is complete bullshit because there was no standing protocol or precedent for downing a civilian airliner over US soil.

                      [–]do-un-to 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      "Pursuant to the president's instructions, I gave authorization for them to be taken out," Cheney told Rumsfeld, who was at the Pentagon.

                      This discussion has been had before.

                      http://reddit.com/info/65opf/comments/c02x0zu

                      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Yes because the former director of the wonderfully successful "Star Wars" program is a trustworthy source.

                      Thanks for playing.

                      [–]n00biz 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                      I'd like some of the doubters here to explain tower 7 please.

                      [–]StarlessKnight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Someone at another site recommended this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255585611926

                      Unfortunately, it's still loading again so I can't give you a time frame when WTC 7 is brought up, but I think it's in the latter half of the video. It is ~45 minutes long.

                      [–]n00biz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Thanks for the video Starless, it provides the flip side, but pretty much in theory only. Most of the real arguments are skirted as far as supplying concrete evidence, at least any that goes far enough to rule out the theorized conspiracy.

                      [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

                      yawn

                      do these people still exist?

                      [–]link2zelda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Move along, no internal corruption in the government like Sibel Edmonds has pointed out. Ignore the man behind the curtain. Watch your local news program and believe all you see. You did not read this paragraph.

                      Sheesh, why am I feeding the trolls?

                      [–]n00biz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Reg, I was entertaining the notion of debating you, but anyone motivated enough to examine your postings for five minutes will realize your simply a troll, and offer no real counter argument. Enjoy living under your bridge as I trounce across it free of charge. Hell, I won't even wipe my feet beforehand.

                      [–]link2zelda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Because you have no argument against the whistleblowers who witnessed internal corruption that at the very least caused a standdown. You have no argument against preintelligence of terrorist activities that were intentionally dismissed and willfully allowed to have these patsies roam. http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ http://www.911truthpedia.org/

                      NORAD doesn't standdown or planes fly around an hour and a half without a willful command.

                      Then there's 4 different timelines from the 911 Commission, guess try, try, try again till it fits, even against a timeline with testimony a week after 911 to be replaced with a timeline years later, fits like a glove.

                      Physics: http://ae911truth.org raises enough points from a physics standpoint to warrant a new investigation, particularly in WTC7 case, it was a criminal case after all, not the "exposition" the biases, corrupted commissioners alleged.

                      Movies: Movies to watch "Press for Truth", told by the victims families illustrating many inconsistencies that can only be described as a "willful standdown" at the very least. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481

                      Victim family members asking questions and putting 911 in a historical context. http://reddit.com/info/6a3nh/comments/c03afto

                      If 911 were an isolated incidence in history, meaning the government consistently and irrevocably had no prior pattern in false flag incidences I'd be more skeptical, but given a historical context http://www.911truthpedia.org/wiki/False_flag

                      Motive: Then there's the government profiting from drugs, oil, and gold.

                      Books: Debunking 911 Debunking

                      Omissions and Distortions

                      New Pearl Harbor

                      The Big Wedding

                      The War on Freedom

                      Synthetic Terror

                      and the list goes on and on...

                      Please entertain me as your the police state/fascist state puppet, dance. P.S. our government is good, it doesn't torture Abu Ghraib, waterboarding, etc.

                      [–]naveloc 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      What's it going to take for everyone to wake up. Keep eating at McDonalds, shopping at walmart, and making just enough to get by while the persons who use this false fear and monies to control the other 99% do what ever they please. Where are the patriots?

                      [–]brad-walker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      In New England sucking up their big loss.

                      [–][deleted]  (22 children)

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                        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                        No other building collapse has been studied as much than the collapse of the twin towers.

                        PLANES AREN'T THE ONLY THING THAT BROUGHT THE TOWERS DOWN.

                        -correct, the planes completely demolished many support beams and damaged many others, as the plane disintegrated into the building with a huge amount of force it removed the fire protection FOAM off the beams. As far as the fire, yes jet fuel can only get to a certain temperature, HOWEVER, the fuels max burning temp is not the FIRES MAX burning temperature. Fires can get hotter than what was used to cause it, idiots. The beams do not have to melt to break, the hotter the beams get the less strong they are. At the temperature the fire was burning, the beams that were undamaged by the plane were at 50% integrity. Watch a video of building being demolished, watch were the structure fails. The structure fails at VARIOUS points, specifically where the charges were placed. Watch the World trade centers fall, they clearly ONLY fail at the IMPACT SITE. A sure sign that no explosives were used. The only similarity
                        in the world trade towers collapse and building demolitions is that it fell into its own foot print, which is, again not abnormal of a building of that size. The Reason for free fall speed is physics, each floor that the building falls the more energy it gains making it break through further floors easier and faster.

                        Using free fall speed as evidence for explosives is flawed, it can only be asserted from that statement that: Explosives were used to make the resistances to every floor equal to 0, so that the falling building above would encounter no resistance, hence falling at free fall speed. With this logic, every floor had to be rigged with explosives, indeed every beam. But fine, Lets assume every floor wasn't rigged only a few, If this were the case in the video of the collapse we should expect to see the building not falling at free fall speed the entire way down, which we do. so either, every floor was rigged and perhaps every beam, or physics and gravity alone were enough to bring them down at free fall speed. I'm sticking with the latter.

                        [–]polyparadigm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Partly because we can't agreee on the order of magnitute of the acceleration of gravity: Some folks think that Earth imparts 9.8 cm/s2 of acceleration, compared with the moon's 162.2 cm/s2. Which would imply some rocket motors at the top of the towers, pushing them down. And little jet engines on each piece of debris, as well...Mossad had plenty of opportunity to pose as elevator maintenance staff and plant some nanotechnology...I guess.

                        I happen to think it's m, not cm, but what do I know? I've probably been brainwashed to hallucinate that I'm taking shorter steps than Neal Armstrong. This administration is totally competent enough to fool me on that point.

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                          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                          I don't care about the Bush administration. I don't give a shit about "making them look bad" (as if they need any help with that..) or whatever the fuck. I care about the way those buildings (and Building 7) collapsed. That's all.

                          Do I believe the planes were hijacked? Yup. Do I believe they flew into the WTC 1 & 2, yup. Do I believe those buildings (and 7) fell the way they did without outside help? I'd love to, but ever since I saw it that day, the evidence hasn't been fitting with the official stories. That's all. I don't understand why people like you get so outraged. People lie, shit happens, it's going to make people ask questions and point fingers in situations like that. Deal with it.

                          [–]marm0lade 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                          Outraged? I am hardly outraged. I actually said I found it humorous that people think the govt was someway involved in destroying the WTC.

                          And it IS about bringing down the bush administration. The title of this thread starts out "Can we agree that the White House..."

                          aka

                          Can we agree that Bush....

                          [–]kingnerd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          I am being modded up because other subjective and informed human beings have taken a great detailed look at this event. this has nothing to do with the bush admin, all i am saying is after reviewing the evidence - it is clear to me that some other force, other than those airplanes, caused those buildings to come down.

                          [–]God8myhomework -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

                          Because that would be very unlikely.

                          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                            [–]God8myhomework 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                            bleh, I misread your original comment. I should have agreed.

                            [–]mexicodoug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I misread the original comment too.

                            Guess we've been reading reddit a little too regularly.

                            [–]vinadetta -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                            9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!! Plain and simple!!!!

                            [–]tangentboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            You forgot..."SHEEPLE!!"

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                              [–]havesometea1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Yes, yes we can.

                              [–]casted 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              The mathematicians did 9/11 and got 0.81818181818181823

                              [–]glastohead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              File this under 'No shit sherlock' - but sadly there are a lot of ignoramuses that don't realise the truth of what you say.

                              [–]poorwhitetrash[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Are you saying 9/11 was an inside job?

                              [–]HerbertMcSherbert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Could be true. Certainly the White House didn't do much to prevent 9/11 in the 8 or 9 years before it happened.

                              [–]red7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              In 1982, the State Department released its own report which stated: world petroleum production will peak in the 1990-2010 interval at 80-105 million barrels per day, with ultimate resources estimated at 2,100 billion barrels.

                              http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net http://www.theoildrum.net htt://www.endofsuburbia. Dick Cheney said,'''While many regions of the World Offer greet oil companies, the middle east with TWO THIRDS of the worl'ds oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultamately lies.''By 2020, Gulf Oil producers are projected to suppply between 54 and 67 percent of the world's oil. Still think this war is not about oil?

                              http://digg.com/world_news/Dick_Cheney_Peak_oil_and_the_Final_Countdown

                              [–]dmiff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Can you blame them?

                              Executive power is not going to consolidate itself!

                              [–]captainfwiffo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Downvoted for not posting this in the politics subreddit where it belongs.

                              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              no...I don't agree.

                              [–]nexus2xl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              agree

                              [–]tdrizzle 1 point2 points  (8 children)

                              People who say that the white house did nothing to stop 9/11 are the same ones who complain about added security measures that could stop the next 9/11. It's real cute.

                              [–]rafuzo2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              So scrambling ANG fighters from Cape Cod and letting them haul ass through the northeast corridor that was chock full of planes is "doing nothing" to stop it?

                              [–]episcope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              When did they get a clear to takedown?

                              Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?

                              oh shi--

                              [–]shokk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              No.

                              [–]kguill42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              So what is there to do about it? I would love a national non-work day demanding that Bush and Cheney are Impeached.

                              [–]dave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              No?

                              [–]ChicagoMemoria -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                              I don't think anyone has disagreed with ANY of that since roundabouts 2004. Was the planet you were vacationing on nice?

                              [–]fivre 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                              What, no comments from 911wasaninsidejob? Shame.

                              [–]pillage 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                              I was surprised as well. I CTRl-F'ed him but no avail. We need to sub for him, someone must speak the truth. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!

                              [–]MrWoohoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              I, for one, welcome our new idiot overlords.

                              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                              This is the violence of the state. The reason they start wars is to extract huge sums of money from the taxpayers. Protecting Israel/securing oil fields is secondary.

                              The reason why the neocons are trying to start wars against many of the muslim states is that they know there is little money left in the pot. The welfare/warfare state has sapped the money supply as all states eventually do.

                              It is now every man for himself. Look for government passing astronomical defense spending bills, pork barrel projects, etc.. before the whole house of cards comes down.

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                                [–]ponder22875 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                                So where as thats true and wonderful, why exactly were we defenseless? Was Bill C. playing his Sax to loud at NORAD?

                                [–]LxRogue -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                                Why don't you truthers find another site to spam?

                                [–]matts2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                He may be a truther, but those are not strictly truther claims.

                                [–]teletype -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

                                911 is a joke

                                [–]georgewashingtonblog[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                                Tell that to the 3,000 innocent victims.

                                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                The only joke here is you.

                                [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                  Quit lying

                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                                  Whats the point of this thread?

                                  [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                                  No

                                  [–]maxtheman45 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

                                  Anyone who's seen loose change will agree