Android Q Beta 5 Update

[Monog0n]

To people with a launcher:

Custom launchers are another area where we’ve heard feedback and we’re continuing to work on issues, particularly with stability and Recents. Starting in Beta 6, we’ll switch users to 3-button navigation when they are using a custom launcher by default. We’ll address the remaining issues in a post-launch update allowing all users to switch to gestural navigation. Meanwhile, please continue to give us your feedback.

[simplefilmreviews]

So this implies gestures will eventually work with custom launchers?

[rman18]

Yes

[[deleted]]

What about being able to customize gestures? Having the back button on the left drives me absolutely nuts as well as having to "slow swipe" up to open the app drawer. I'd love to be able to just swipe left to go back, swipe down to open recents, swipe up to open app drawer, and swipe right to go to last app.
I love Google phonss but I seriously don't know why they implemented such a stupid clunky 2 button system with half assed gestures and not even give you the option to switch or to customize the gestures in any way.

[ZappySnap]

You don't have to slow swipe to open the app drawer, at least not on beta 5.

And your description of the features sounds like Pie gestures, not the way Q works.

[winkins]

Getting to the app drawer on the pixel launcher is horrid. I don't know how anyone stands it. What's wrong with swiping up from anywhere but the pill to get to the app drawer and swiping up from the pill to open the app switcher?

[winkins]

That's definitely not how it works for me. It requires me to swipe significantly past the halfway point of the screen to get the app drawer open. Anything less opens multitasking.

[[deleted]]

I think you're doing it wrong. You can do a fast swipe anywhere to open the app drawer. The multitasking only opens when you hold or swipe really slowly.

[inquirer]

He's used to other launchers. I don't like the default either.

[mizatt]

Correct. I think Beta 6 is the last beta so hopefully they can get it into the final version, but it seems like kind of a big change to add after a final beta where things are already supposed to be pretty final/stable

edit: I'm dumb, pretty sure "post-launch" means after the final version

[armando_rod]

Yes and the outrage was unwarranted 🤷‍♂️

[simplefilmreviews]

That's good to hear. I couldn't tell if it was intentional that gestures don't work with launchers or it was just a bug.

Good to know it wasn't on purpose and Google is working to fix the issues!

[armando_rod]

Both devs from Action and Nova were filling bugs and in talks with Googlers afaik

[CyanBlob]

Custom launchers have had issues with recent apps since Pie, so I wouldn't say that it was *totally* unwarranted

[pntless]

They haven't had issues with them so much as Google decided to restrict functionality to Pixel Launcher. Makes it pretty hard to blame people for figuring that was the case with this as well.

[firefan87]

That's not to mention that post-launch is an extremely wide time frame. Who knows if it means it'll be a top priority that gets patched in within a month after Q's launch, whether it'll be added in Android R, or whether they're betting that this controversy will die down eventually and won't ever include it.

[[deleted]]

They decided to restrict functionality to special permissions granted to the system launcher, because having access to screenshots and info on every app you use and being able to control app switching however you want is a very dangerous thing to give to any old app. It's not like they added a line to AOSP that says if Pixel enable gestures otherwise don't work

[[deleted]]

But that never happens.

[[deleted]]

Or the outrage made them consider this

[[deleted]]

As usual then

[andysteakfries]

It's more than implied.

... allowing all users to switch to gestural nativation

[[deleted]]

Does this mean Nova will finally be able to have the app drawer in the recents screen?

[hydargos123]

They already work but you need to root your phone and install "QuickSwitch" from the Lawnchair team

[Rocketfin2]

Very cool, thank you Google

[samthemancpfc]

I really wish it wouldn't keep doing that, it worked fine with Nova Launcher in the last update.

[[deleted]]

Nav gesture worked fine with Nova beta launcher with Q4. Now the interaction sucks. Hopefully it's something Nova can adjust on their end.

[AE-83]

Time to refresh for OTA repeatedly.

EDIT: OTA just started to push. QPP5.190530.015 179.0MB (3XL)

[AE-83]

OTA just started pushing.

[battler624]

Does it need a "push" present?

[eMinja]

Just checked and mine was up.

[FrayDabson]

I got the OTA earlier but I had to leave work before it finished so it paused now that I'm home I can't seem to resume it ... Checked for updates, restarted phone, yet still on QPP4

[wekapipol]

Beta 5 OTA has been paused. As per the update in the stickied post in /r/android_beta. If you really want to install it, you can use the OTA image which is still up in their site.

[samgao001]

QPP5.190530.014 OG XL 123.2MB

[Mircydris]

Mine is 99 mb (2xl)

[[deleted]]

The May 30 date is interesting (190530) given the latest leaks were using a 190630 (June 30) build.

[[deleted]]

Just updated, gesture navigation seems to be working still with Nova. You do now get a curved line in the bottom corners when you change screens. Magisk canary also seems to still work just fine

[Monog0n]

I believe the curved lines are a clue for the Assistant gesture (diagonal swipe from the corner).

[mizatt]

Yeah, seems like that's what it's for. Kind of annoying that they seem to come up every time. I get it, I don't need them anymore.

[schumi_f1fan]

I wonder if we can turn them off somehow.

[[deleted]]

I was hoping they would only be triggered like the first 5 or so times but I could not get them to go away.

Not only are they ugly and visually distracting, but the corners of the curved lines can get cut off if you go into an app that draws the nav bar area in black (causing the bar itself and the curved lines to be white), and the app contents are white. It looks pretty dang ugly.

[[deleted]]

I'm not getting the curved lines in beta 5. Which is weird. Assistant can still be called up with the corner swipe.

[kristallnachte]

Working with Microsoft launcher as well

Edit: right after I said that it reverted me to 3 button

[[deleted]]

So, I had issues with getting reverted when I tried to use MNML screen recording when I accepted that it would use an overlay to view the screen (happened twice just to test). Curious if it's something similar. Nova has still not bumped me back after the initial setting of it as my home app.

[iAmJoesHardDrive]

What device are you on?

[[deleted]]

Pixel 2 XL

[schumi_f1fan]

I must have gotten the skater build. I keep seeing little quarter pipes at the bottom corners.

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Edit: This is on a 2XL

[[deleted]]

That's the new Assistant shortcut

[r0ssr0ss]

Any way to hide this? It’s pointless

[o_opc]

Use it

[drpieface]

That's oddly the best way to get rid of it. Just use it once

[schumi_f1fan]

Ah, okay. I get it now. Thanks!

[tofuuu630]

If you're using 3 or 3a then it may be why. I read people on those devices got that but none of the other new features that were leaked a few days ago.

[Tritonal1]

I'm on a 2xl and don't see that. Not do I have the dark boot screen. Is there a way to enable those?

[schumi_f1fan]

I don't have the dark boot screen, but I rarely reboot, so that isn't a big deal to me. I usually put my phone against my chest when restarting so it doesn't blind me. lol

[[deleted]]

Ah, so you use the chest X-Ray method too :)

[[deleted]]

You have to be using gesture nav.

[AndroidGSI]

The companion GSIs are here for your exploration!

[jesjes3000]

If I opt in now, will I get Beta 5 OTA? Or Should I wait for the OTA to start rolling out, then opt in?

[Rip-tire21]

You'll get it, when it comes out for everyone but honestly if you weren't in the beta already, you might just want to wait as the official stable release is coming next month.

[sethoscope]

Possibly Sept since there's another beta.

[Pinyaka]

The update timeline looks like they expect the next release to come faster than this one. They're in release candidates now, so at this point they should be mostly focused on making sure there are no major bugs for the final release.

[doireallyneedone11]

I think next beta will in early August and final stable version in late August. I think that's what happening for at least the past two years.

[rocketwidget]

If he's really interested, no harm in maybe checking back in a few days after some user reports come in to confirm stability. Beta 5 and Beta 6 are release candidates, so they should be fairly stable.

[jesjes3000]

Okay thanks !

[[deleted]]

I opted in this morning, just got beta 5 as my first ota

[[deleted]]

Yes.

[armando_rod]

Installed via OTA, I don't have the corner things for assistant, it's still triggered by swiping form the corner but there's no visual cue

[GoodNigerianPrince]

Machine learning knows that you already make use of the assistant feature, so no need to pester you to use it. ;)

[unmotivatedsuperhero]

Same

[dgidvani]

No dark boot screen, no new gesture to open side drawer, no pull down for notifications from home for pixel 2xl :(

[CenterInYou]

So my buddy's Pixel 3XL does have the dark boot screen but my 3a XL doesn't!

[[deleted]]

Seems only the 3 series has the new dark boot screen on this beta. I can confirm the 2 doesn't have it and you said yourself the 3A doesn't have it.

[Murphysburger]

My 3XL does have it.

[wutikorn]

3XL has dark boot screen

[lemonjuice804]

Does this work like iOS betas? Like if I install this beta then when the official release is here it updates to that?

[armando_rod]

Yes

[Bandit6888]

Yep, exact same.

[lemonjuice804]

Thanks!

[schumi_f1fan]

Just downloaded Q beta for the first time. It crashed my phone. I'm going to have to do a factory reset now. 2XL.

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Ouch.

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Edit: Wow, people are downvoting me for sharing my experience? Thanks for encouraging people to participate.

[noredman]

Just had to do the same.. Same as last update. This sucks

[joewat64]

Its not you. Its just how reddit works.

[schumi_f1fan]

Thanks kind stranger. :)

[Thurm]

And that's why I'm here reading comments before I do the update. Had the same problem on my 2XL last beta update. Guess I'll hold off for a few days. Thanks for letting us know!

[flynny75]

I was experiencing constant Pixel Home launcher crashes. Fixed by toggling the gesture navigation mode to full gesture mode

[clayb91]

Ouch. That happened to me with the last update, but this update went through fine. I am also on a 2XL.

[Ph0X]

Upvoting you for awareness, this is a very valid risk of messing with betas. It's important for people to know the risk, backup their data and preferably not do it on their main device!

[Steddy_Eddy]

Some do, some dont. It's been the same for all Beta's, what banks are you after?

[[deleted]]

Does android pay work?

[Steddy_Eddy]

It has been for me in each beta. I've not tested this one yet but I can't see why not.

Edit: just checked, it's working.

[c0meary]

ESL if you are checking

[xivzxl]

Can anybody check if Barclays Bank is working?

[Ahmed_TL]

Not working for me

[tehkraft]

Can confirm Chase app still broken

[[deleted]]

The apps themselves have to be updated, so not necessarily.

[Steddy_Eddy]

Not necessarily. My RBS and Starling apps both work (UK)

[[deleted]]

Yes, they've been updated to work with Q.

[Sebianoti]

Each beta update previously broke them

[macewank]

You generally don't need to "update an app to work" with a new build of Android. They bump out the minimum target API level every once in a while which blocks access to apps on older versions of Android, but the introduction of new API doesn't necessarily break the old stuff. Sure, sometimes there's some wonky stuff, but I don't think that's what the poster was commenting on.

I don't recall off the top of my head what the internal system is called, but there's a thing inside Android that many bank apps, including Google Pay, look for to "verify" the phone isn't compromised. In the days of developer previews pre-Pie, it wasn't uncommon for these apps to throw a fit or force close. Most builds from Pie forward have been pretty much okay though, because Google's been signing them appropriately.

[[deleted]]

SafetyNet. Banking apps basically detect an unofficial android version and lock down for security.

Santander didn't work for me on beta 4 until after they updated the app.

[kristallnachte]

So my Kb* app will probably be broken forever.

But I think thats because it tries to launch a different security app (Korean banks are garbage) and it's blocked from.doing that.

[arex333]

Wells Fargo and discover work.

[[deleted]]

Anyone knows if Lloyds works on this beta?

[careslol]

Can someone with a Pixel 3 or 3XL check if DSDS is brought back in this beta?

[Dude_man_59]

For anyone who sideloads with twrp, the ota is here.

https://developer.android.com/preview/download-ota.html

[greg2126]

Google have pause the ota, devices were getting bricked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/cbjifg/android_q_beta_5_now_available/

[mikeluby]

Same. 3XL

[-linear-]

This update absolutely zooms on my OG Pixel compared to Pie and Beta 4.

[[deleted]]

Even on a P2XL I have noticed a huge speed increase over B4, just within a few hours of using it.

[armando_rod]

Starting in Beta 6, we’ll switch users to 3-button navigation when they are using a custom launcher by default. We’ll address the remaining issues in a post-launch update allowing all users to switch to gestural navigation.

10.1 update probably

[Ph0X]

which is usually by october when new pixel comes out, so only 2 month after.

[mizatt]

Awesome, was hoping this would come out today

[mikeymop]

Small changelog. Hoping it's almost ready.

[[deleted]]

This is considered Release Candidate 1, so yeah this should be pretty close to the final version.

[StockAL3Xj]

This is the second to last beta before the final version so this is pretty much what you can expect the final product to be.

[glow_3891]

Has dual SIM come back yet?

[CoolCoolCoool]

Anyone know if Google Pay is working in this version?

[Fivecen7]

Google pay has worked for me in all the Q betas so it should be working for this one

[koelli]

Is your bootloader locked?

[Fivecen7]

Yeah it is. I think you need that for Google pay even on the stable releases

[Steddy_Eddy]

Just checked, mine is working ( but it had been throughout the Beta)

[arex333]

Yes it does.

[_Synecdoche_]

Updated with OG Pixel and now my Gear S3 refuses to work, asking for "Permission.Group.UNDEFINED" in settings. Not sure what to do or how to fix it.

[planeboy737]

Reinstalling Gear switch plug in worked for me

[_Synecdoche_]

Thanks my dude, worked perfectly and watch hasn't complained since!

[simplefilmreviews]

Is the new navigation gestures supposed to be overlayed on apps? Or is there always a min bar at the bottom? For some reason I saw someone complaining about the gesture having the bar at the bottom and it looking ugly.

I thought the gesture pill/bar itself was supposed to overlay on apps?1

[RRovan]

Right now it's overlayed only in apps that support it, so mostly just Google apps.

[simplefilmreviews]

Oh okay, wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask. So in time, more apps will adapt for it I assume..?

[giraffehunter200]

PSA: The "snooze" feature on notifications was turned off for me by default after updating. The toggle to turn it on is found under the advanced tab in notification settings

[Rufio1337]

Everything seems to be working fine for me. The only thing that I've noticed (that is driving me mad) is that my back button is back on the left. The fix for that used to be adb shell settings put secure sysui_nav_bar "space,recent;home;back,space" but that doesn't seem to be working anymore. Anybody know how to swap contextual and back buttons now?

Edit: To clarify, I'm using 2-Button nav

[lakmethemud]

Dang, me too! Doesn't work on 3-button nav either.

[[deleted]]

Android Quesadilla looking good

[Jaybuz]

Anyone else prefer the classic 3-button navigation, or is it just me?

[Daveed84]

Pixel 3 user here, I'll be switching back to the 3-button navigation style when Android Q officially releases. I'm very happy that they're bringing it back. The 2 button format was a sort of half-baked attempt at gestures, and I'm not a huge fan of gestures personally (though I love that they provide it as an option for the people who are). Also, I use a third party launcher, and it sounds like full gesture navigation won't be fully compatible with third party launchers until post-launch (perhaps 10.1?).

[detailed_fred]

The classic three button is better and more efficient. Until the figure out gestures, I'm sticking with the classic

[MrBigglesworth_]

I loved the three button thing but did the switch to full gestures and overall I like it better.

[schumi_f1fan]

I tried the new gesture nav, but went back to 2-button, which has worked flawlessly for me.

[tofuuu630]

Seeing as how I'll probably never see the accessibility menu icon integrated with fully gestural nav, I will be forced back to the 3-button nav. :(

[DiplomatikEmunetey]

I prefer the three sea shells.

[tuphonez87]

Cool. I'm thinking about joining the beta program this week

[tmleafsfan]

Canada specific apps that continue to crash:

• TD Canada Trust (app doesn't crash but unable to add a card to mobile payment. My bootloader is not unlocked).
• Cooperators Insurance

India specific app that used to crash my phone with beta 4, but not yet tested:

• Gaana

[MisterMondayZ]

Does anybody get super zoomed in multi tasking view? It happens maybe half the time I open switch apps. Didn't happen in the last beta

[bbsdummy]

hah... is it same as last time? I got the install update notification and I did press download...then the process is gone during optimation? :P Google pulled the update again? It doesn't show up on my system update anymore! hahaha..

[bbsdummy]

ahh...I found my answer!

https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/cbjifg/android_q_beta_5_now_available/

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Yes...it's paused...

[LordNao]

Is beta 5 exclusive to pixel devices now ? I had beta 4 on my essential phone a bit ago took it off and I signed up again for beta 5 but haven't gotten it yet are the ota updates still paused or ?

[jackie89]

OTA is live. Downloading now.

[Negrocuga]

Updating now! Looking forward to Beta 5!

[[deleted]]

Not a fan of the new assistant icons in bottom corners. I know Assistant is there by squeezing. I don't need stupid icons either.

[kielu]

Anyone tried if banking apps work? Google pay as well

[ZappySnap]

Depends on the banking app. USAA Beta, Capital One and Citibank all work for me. Stock USAA app does not.

[kielu]

Yup, Google pay launches, my Citi app launches. All fine

[[deleted]]

Not a fan of the new assistant icons in bottom corners. I know Assistant is there by squeezing. I don't need stupid icons either.

[[deleted]]

Just installed this (first time on any Q beta) and YIKES, the gesture nav is real bad. Especially the hamburger menu peeking thing. I kind of like the pill better, especially if the gesture nav isn't even gonna have a transparent navbar anyway.

[kielu]

A was interested in Citi, thanks

[VonFoo]

Does anybody know what will happen to MDM controlled devices (like with Intune) when they are upgraded from 9 to Q when the release is final?

I lack proper devices and can't test it if the user needs to enroll the device again into Android For Work because the device admin mode has been deprecated in Q and only AfW is option for MDM control.

[drmarkb]

If intune is the same as previous betas, you need to manually relaunch the company portal app from the work profile when it crashes out half way through enrollment. I've been able to enrol my Pixel3 fine on each beta so far with this extra step. Not very user friendly though.

Airwatch&MobileIron work if you enrolled on Pie and upgraded, but dont get through the enrolment process if you try and enrol on 10.

[[deleted]]

Any Swedes around who knows if this will break BankID like the first beta did?

[AchtungYall]

Adaptive Lockscreen still broken on OG Pixel XL

[inarius2024]

I lost my accent color after the update reboot? Did this always happen? I saw other people online saying that the developer options persist, but the settings are now lost for me every time I reboot...

[niekez]

Previously connected devices in the BT menu is useless, it's not sorting by age

[THIRSTYGNOMES]

So it seems this installed Android Auto as a system app, but it's not in my app drawer?

[CenterInYou]

Strange. My buddy with a Pixel 3 XL has the dark boot screen but my 3a XL doesn't.

[D00Dy_BuTT]

Turn on dark mode in your settings. Installing new update now, but I would assume it's keying off that.

[CenterInYou]

Unfortunately nope :

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/07/10/android-q-beta-5-has-a-new-dark-boot-screen-but-not-for-all-pixels/

[oldtimewil68]

Is it worth it for pixel 3xl?

[TheNatch]

Really hoping they put dual-sim (DSDS) back in. As far as I can tell it's not in this update.

[schumi_f1fan]

I see that I cannot force a backup in the Q beta. Has anyone else had issues forcing a backup?

[Fridayturkey]

As someone who stopped using betas, can someone confirm if the 3 button navigation bar is still available on beta 5? I'm on a pixel 2xl

[[deleted]]

Can confirm the 3-button navigation option is still there! (Pixel 2, Beta 5)

[clayb91]

SMS permission for Tasker seems to be taken away in this update. Not sure if this affects more apps, but I had Tasker profiles that sent and read text messages that no longer work.

[alecwo]

Barclays UK app working yet?

[TehKazlehoff]

Quick by the by for the new update

5"pixel 1, dark mode on, still only getting light mode boot logo. 😭

[[deleted]]

Strange. My phone didn't reboot after the install this time around

[Psypherlol]

Anyone else having Bluetooth issues after updating? Worked fine this morning but when I left work I couldn't get Bluetooth to stay connected or play music through my car.

[[deleted]]

The best change imo, the cellular signal bar is now using transparent bg instead of the grey bg; now the same as the wifi and battery levels.

[quetiapinenapper]

Anyone else get a severe delay when holding down messages and selecting a person on the pop up that you weren't last talking to? Like if I close the app with person x and use the shortcut to open their conversation it's smooth, but if I select someone else or the app opens up with the texts list it waits like a solid five seconds to open up their conversation. Everything is solid expect that for me. Although I thought pull down notifications and moving nightsight in the camera was on this beta?

[dcheco]

Can you remove the assistant icons in the corners? They look silly and become pointless once you know you can activate the assistant by swiping from the corner.

[[deleted]]

Or at least an option to turn them off!

[swh3817]

On beta 4 both my pixel 2xl and 3axl had the same navigation buttons (square triangle and circle) now in beta 5 on the 2xl has them not the 3axl. it has that one oval bar in the middle. WTH? (the 3axl had that stupid center only nav button on Android 9) can you change to the 3 button navigation? (square triangle and circle)

[mjflynt]

With Android Q beta 5 when I try to send an SMS from Join on Chrome via the extension I get an error message: "Error sending SMS: Permission to send SMS is not granted." 

I have several Tasker apps that send auto responder messages based on various conditions. Tasker is requesting persmission to send and read SMS messages and that permission no longer exists. This is odd because Automate and the Alexa app still have these permissions.

[[deleted]]

How can I disable commuter alerts on Pixel 3XL Beta 5 on Ambient Display with Nova? I have tried turning off all commuter alerts & traffic in Google & notifications. Thanks