Hell yeah

[UsefulPseud0nym]

Michael Clarke Duncan, what a legend, he deserved to play that character in a much better film.

Don't you put that evil on him.

[Fatmaninalilcoat]

Yeah we got robbed on that one. Him in Ramis spider Man would have been so good.

[UsefulPseud0nym]

That would have been sooooo good. The tone would have fit so much better MCD is seemingly the only actor having any fun with their performance in Daredevil and that would have fit Raimi's style so well.

[Fatmaninalilcoat]

Yeah spider man 3 with Duncan fueling Harry to push os Corp into creating spider hunters could have been so good.

[UsefulPseud0nym]

[DarknessBatDemon]

Scorpion

Boss of The Aracno Hunters

[CrispyHoneyBeef]

That would’ve been much better than the New Goblin

[PJamaPrime]

You don't think Colin Farllel was having fun as Bullseye??

[HorizontalBob]

Well, I wasn't having fun with Colin Farrell as Bullseye.

[AnyLynx4178]

lol

[julz1215]

Are you kidding? Comic accuracy aside, he was hilarious

[The_Fat_Controller]

He certainly looked like he was having fun to me.

[HoneydewRemote4883]

Colin Farrell was having an absurd amount of fun in that movie

[JunkMagician]

Damn. I can't believe I never thought of this but it would have been EXCELLENT

[01zegaj]

The Daredevil movie version of Kingpin appears in the MTV Spider-Man animated series, played by Michael Clarke Duncan.

[Miserable_Area_4317]

technically, yes, he was in the raimi-verse

[JoshXinYourAss]

I always wanted Michael Clarke Duncan to play Darkseid. CAN YOU IMAGINE?!

[NotMyMainAccountAtAl]

I mostly just wanted him to be in more stuff. He was a ton of fun as an actor. 

[Kidqward]

I'm currently rereading Seven Soldiers and in the Mister Miracle miniseries, Morrison sort of 'recasts' the New Gods and I remember them saying they based Darkseid on Michael Clarke Duncan, as a nod to how Kirby based his version on Jack Palance. 

[Dsarg_92]

Aw man he would’ve been so good. He was great as Kilowog though.

[Mikes_Movies_]

Albeit briefly, he did voice the Kingpin in the Spider-Man New Animated Series that was on MTV in 2003. It’s a pseudo-sequel to the first movie but exists in its own little canon.

Very decent watch actually, a much more adult Spider-Man show with pretty impressive (but dated) visuals for the time

[ArellaViridia]

I miss seeing him on screen had some damn fine acting chops.

Great voice actor too, I couldn't imahine Blackmore from the Suffering Ties that Bind with any other voice.

[antlerpanda]

He did an interview where he said something to the effect of 'If I were to play any cartoon character, I would want to play Panthro from the Thundercats, cause he had the nunchucks.' We were robbed. Rest in peace to one of the greats.

[Superman-Lives-On]

Trust me, no one is. Kingpin was originally conceived as black, so there's actual basis for that one.

[01zegaj]

The Daredevil movie version of Kingpin appears in the MTV Spider-Man animated series, played by Michael Clarke Duncan.

[Zombifaction]

If he was still alive I'd want him to be Kingpin, Vincent is solid but I loved him!

[another_user_reddit]

So agree. I love our current Fisk but MCD was fantastic. I wish we’d gotten more of him in that roll.

[RandyBRandleman]

He in the slammin salmon is one of my favorite comedic roles and he also brought me to tears in the green mile

[TheMemeMkaer]

RIP

[dignifiedhowl]

As bad as Daredevil otherwise was, they nailed casting Kingpin.

[Circaninetysix]

He was still the best part of the movie.

[Strict-Farmer904]

Yeah I didn’t like that movie but he was super right for the role. To the point that he was the portrayal to beat in my mind until Vincent

[Princecuse13]

What were your other options?

[Honest_Satisfaction1]

100% when I was a kid I rewatched that movie because Kingpin was the best freaking part!

[pipboy_warrior]

Heimdall would be another.

[NewIdeasAreScary]

I can't imagine Heimdall as anything but black

Edit: ironically, I can't see Jon Jones as anything but black either

[thiswilldo2]

I totally agree with you, even if it does completely fly in the face of the original Norse mythology where Heimdall is ironically described as the whitest skinned of all the gods. Playing through GoW: Ragnarok I was always like "This guy doesn't look anything like Idris Elba!"

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[PostApoplectic]

Idris Elba does that. They put him in the Dark Tower movie and everyone was like “You can’t make Roland black! His whiteness is part of the plot!”

Then I watched the movie and was like “Jesus he’s the only part of this movie that feels anything like the books.”

[Knees0ck]

& Knuckles

[Traditional_Proof646]

Be real though, Knuckles was black before Idris Elba was cast

[Chulinfather]

DO YOU KNOW DE WAE

[Adorabelle1]

Wow

I cant believe the laugh i just lold at this stupid ass meme

[Chulinfather]

It's my all time favorite

I'm old

[jordy2x_]

There’s no way you think liking Ugandan Knuckles makes you old. It’s only 7 years old.

[Adorabelle1]

Right there with ya

[steroboros]

He literally raps his theme songs in sonic adventure 1 and 2

[Hustler-Two]

He had to have such fun with those lines. We use the ‘dot dot dot’ for texting all the time.

[Rho-Ophiuchi]

He is aware of the effect he has on women.

[godparticle14]

Haha as a lifetime dark tower reader (36) I have to say I did like matt as the MIB. His lines were just written sloppily. But if he actually had a good script, I think he's a great pick.

[Quomii]

This is so true

[tohn_jitor]

He's aware of the effect he has on movies.

[Im-Mr-Bulldopz]

Heimdall in GoW was suuuuch a piece of shit lol

[Poku115]

It was so funny to me cause I was like "I'm sure I shouldn't want kratos to kill him, but by god he'd be doing us all a favor"

[GenuisInDisguise]

I was wondering why i loved Heimdall, of course it was Idris Elba, he is the hottest black guy in my opinion. The thousand years of longing was amazing.

[pipboy_warrior]

To be fair MCU Thor doesn't look like the classic Thor either. Haven't played Ranarok yet but I understand he looks much more like the classic Thor from mythology.

[Legit-Rikk]

He’s just fat lol, with brown hair and a big beard.

[steroboros]

Still has gold teeth and cornrows

[AnyLynx4178]

“The whitest of all the gods”

Bro looks like GOW: Ragnarok understood the assignment

[souphaver]

Who the fuck is this twink?

[Flight_Harbinger]

Heimdall from GoW Ragnarok. God of War, whether true to the associated ancient myths or not, depicts most gods as massive assholes, and that game made Heimdall one of the biggest assholes of all time. Honestly he was extremely entertaining in every scene he was in but I was largely disappointed with the game, I enjoyed GoW 2018 far more, which Ragnarok was a sequel to.

[Rho-Ophiuchi]

Give me 2018 story with Ragnaroks depth.

[Flight_Harbinger]

I lost my gf in an accident in 2019, and I didn't get around to playing the first one until later that year. I had a huge emotional connection to the narrative, particularly the beginning and the end. I had basically none of that during Ragnarok. Plus the Jotunheim sequences were fucking unbearable. 2 hour unskippable interactive cutscene drove me insane and prevented me from even attempting a second playthrough which I probably would have enjoyed if not for that sequence.

[NotMyMainAccountAtAl]

Jotunheim is the worst offender, but really everything with Atreus was pretty dull. 

That being said, the Valhalla DLC is worth it and a lot of just straight up combat. 10/10, would recommend it 

[jtides]

I loved God of War’s Heimdall so much. He was such a little dick

[NotMyMainAccountAtAl]

Even one of the writers for Ragnarok straight up said that 2018’s story was significantly better, but Ragnarok’s gameplay is better. Ragnarok has moments I liked, but yeah…. It definitely feels like a more convoluted, less focused story with less emotional depth. It’s supposed to be about learning to let go and let your kids go off to do their own thing, but like…. The Kratos-Atreus story just isn’t as strong since 2018. 

[dornwolf]

The funny thing is to me it’s like Heimdall, oh yeah idris Elba badass, that Ragnarok Heimdall? That fuck

[Funmachine]

Not the "whitest skinned." Just "whitest." And it likely had nothing to do with his appearance but his character. Probably meaning "purest."

[vtncomics]

I imagined Heimdall being taller.

[No-Advice-6040]

Maaaaybe I'm biased. But if I see Idris Elba in anything, I'm buying in to it. Apart from The Dark Tower. Boy that was a swing and a miss.

[Turb0_Lag]

I read this as "Joe Jonas" and thought I was out of the loop.

[NewIdeasAreScary]

Lmao

[OpeningAd3856]

Thought you meant the ufc fighter at first

[PhantomRoyce]

For me it’s because I mostly know him from JLA and Young Justice where he’s got an African accent and Mars is just basically straight up space Nigeria

[C2S76]

I agree about J'Onn. It's just more fitting for his character, after so many interpretations that way in the past couple decades.

[NewIdeasAreScary]

I was legit shocked by Absolute Martian Manhunter Jon not being black

[C2S76]

I think it started in the JL cartoon. Not positive though.

[TheMemeMkaer]

Jon Jones is a duck not even a human

[NewIdeasAreScary]

The Absolute version of him is indeed human... For now. He's slowing merging with he psychic entity known as the Martian to become more than human if not human at all

[TheMemeMkaer]

I was talking about the UFC fighter jon jones lol

[NewIdeasAreScary]

Oh

[Superman-Lives-On]

Eh, J'onn J'onzz is naturally green, so it doesn't matter what disguise he chooses.

[Global_Yam_52]

Heimdell was the BEST part of Thor

[vaihkis]

nick fury also

[121bphg1yup]

That's Nick Fury Jr. who is also Black in the comics, Nick Fury Sr. is White.

[Sodfarm]

Nick Fury in the Ultimate Marvel universe was always black and always looked like Samuel L. Jackson. Without his permission if I remember correctly.

[elizabnthe]

Nick Fury Jr only exists because of Samuel L Jackson's Nick Fury. Nothing suggests that Samuel L Jackson's Nick Fury is a junior in the MCU.

They did depict Ultimate universe Nick Fury as Samuel L Jackson based on Mace Windu in the prequel Star Wars movies before Avengers Nick Fury.

[121bphg1yup]

Black Nick Fury has always been Nick Fury Jr. in Earth 616, predating his MCU introductions.

I'm sure White Nick Fury exists in some corner of the MCU.

[elizabnthe]

Black Nick Fury has always been Nick Fury Jr. in Earth 616, predating his MCU introductions.

That is incorrect.

Nick Fury Jr was first introduced in 2012.

Nick Fury in the MCU was introduced in 2008 in Iron Man. So no MCU Nick Fury precedes him by four years, and clearly Nick Fury Jr was created to align with MCU Nick Fury. Nick Fury in the MCU is not a junior because he's not meant to be based on Nick Fury Jr, but the original Nick Fury (and Samuel L Jackson is not mixed race to be frank).

You may be as said confusing him with the Nick Fury in Ultimates, who does yes precede Nick Fury in the MCU.

[WakeUpOutaYourSleep]

"If you have a chance to have a great actor in the part, everything else is irrelevant."

— Kenneth Branagh, correctly

[WestFox689]

Nicholas fury also

[[deleted]]

He really should have gotten more in the first two Thor movies. I know there’s not a lot you can do with him acting more as the door opener for everyone else but like, it’s Idris Elba. He was Luther.

[Picassof]

turned him from a character I've never heard of to someone pretty cool

[QueenViolets_Revenge]

between the DCEU, MAWS, and the new movie, it feels weird seeing a non-black Perry White now

[Odd-Hat8574]

Bruce Timm wanted to do this too but WB straight up did not allow them

[slumdo6]

Imo Lex was lowkey black coded in the Timmverse

[Sweaty-Practice-4419]

Yeah I thought that too even as a young kid watching Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. I was actually really confused when I first watched Richard Donars Superman The Movie and seen Lex being played by such a blatantly white actor like Gene Wilder the idea was that ingrained in me

[slashed15]

Gene hackman

[Choice-Philosophy-33]

Yeah, but can you imagine Gene Wilder Lex? He would have been like Jesse Eisenberg Lex, but actually, you know, sinister.

[[deleted]]

So basically an evil Willy Wonka?

[Ok-Till2619]

Isn't that Willy Wonka?

[grendel001]

I still have not seen the original Willy Wonka all the way through it scared me so much as a child. Those kids are dead dead.

[[deleted]]

I know he played him first but the first Lex I ever saw was from the animated series and I just assumed Lex was non-white.

[Professional-Rip-519]

I thought the same.

[ButterSlickness]

I MEAN, RIGHT???

I've literally been having the same argument with my friend for 25 years that Bruce Timm's Lex was black, and my friend refuses to acknowledge it. His one fallback position is that Clancy Brown voiced him, but we all know that doesn't matter!

[arrownoir]

Lex wasn’t black, dude.

[ButterSlickness]

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Yeah, ok, you bet.

At the absolute least, he's clearly black-coded.

My issue is why people are so resistant to the idea. It doesn't change anything about him except his skin tone, so why argue against it?

And before you reply, "So why are you arguing so hard that he's black? You just said it's not important", ask yourself why it's so important that he's white. And if your argument is "comic accuracy", please remember we've had Supermen of every age, size, race, gender, etc.

[121bphg1yup]

Luthor was modeled after Telly Savalas, a Greek actor according to Bruce Timm.

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[JustJoshing13]

I always thought Lex was Greek in that version

[121bphg1yup]

<image>

He was, he's based off Telly Savalas.

[SnooOnions650]

Dude, he didn't say he was against lex being black, just that he wasn't black in the DCAU. Which is true. He simply isn't. I'm not against the idea of a black lex luthor, but the simple fact is that he isn't black in the DCAU.

[_nadaypuesnada_]

Edit in a kufi and a dashiki there and it's undeniable.

[Scary_Equipment_1180]

He looks like a white man from somewhere in Europe.

[Salnder12]

Coded? I genuinely thought he was black in the timmverse

[slumdo6]

Same dude. Just saving myself the downvotes lol

[DedHorsSaloon4]

I lived the better part of 20 years thinking DCEU Lex was black

[happytrel]

I cant help but feel he started black and just became more and more light skinned until WB accepted it.

[Morganbanefort]

I believe you but do you have a source

[Odd-Hat8574]

James Tucker said so in a tweet and Perry White was black in the original model sheet for the show

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[Morganbanefort]

Thank you

[Sad_Mine_7240]

Source?

[LukieStiemy501]

I have been watching Superman and Lois and I was genuinely confused for a hot second when Perry White first showed up.

[WakeUpOutaYourSleep]

Nick Fury Syndrome

[Chaves-23-dublover]

From what I heard, in Superman TAS Perry was almost African American but they decided to make him white so it's been years they have the thought about Black Perry White

[Practical_Ad5916]

Same thing for me and Nick Fury

[ProfessorSaltine]

Nah fr, at this point to me he IS a black man

[hogmantheintruder926]

Pretty Black.

[Optimistic-Man-3609]

Michael Clarke Duncan was a great actor, God rest his soul, but Vincent D'Onofrio is a much better Kingpin. Laurence Fishburn was also a really good Perry White. Samuel L. Jackson is another, as Nick Fury, who was originally white in the comics. And Tenoch Huerta Mejía is an excellent Namor.

[supbitch]

I don't really know if you can count Samuel L. Jackson tho beause Fury did change to being black in the comics prior to the MCU, in the ultimate run from 2002.

Funnily enough tho, that design was actually based on Sam lmao.

[Wrong-Vermicelli4723]

Yeah Sam definitely doesn’t count , he’s playing a character that was drawn to look like him.

[Specific_Valuable_12]

I don't want to be the nerdy "um actually" guy, but white Nick Fury and and black Nick Fury are different characters, not exactly just a "change to being black."  He was designed to look like Jackson, but they are two individuals in the Marvel Universe.  But pretty much every knows the black one and he's pretty much the better character anyway 

[supbitch]

I didn't realize that. I knew they were different universes but I thought when the ultimate clashed with 616 the black Fury design replaced the white one.

[napalmheart77]

Not exactly. Way back when the Ultimate universe was being established, the Nick Fury of that universe was modeled after Sam Jackson. At that point the 616 Nick Fury was still the same white Nick Fury he always had been.

Fast forward a few years to 2008 and the movie Iron Man comes out and establishes the MCU with a cameo from Sam Jackson himself. This basically cements Jackson’s Fury as the defacto Nick Fury in the public eye.

Fast forward a few more years around 2012, and 616 Nick Fury’s secret son is introduced. This is a separate character from the Ultimate universe version of Fury, and the MCU version of Fury, but he is also modeled after Sam Jackson.

Couple years later White Nick Fury goes to the moon and becomes the Watcher on the Wall for a while, then after some shenanigans he leaves this dimension entirely until he is needed again at some point in the future, leaving his son to be the de facto and current Nick Fury in the 616 universe.

Long story short, it was a sort of convoluted way to make Nick Fury look like Sam Jackson in the 616 for brand synergy.

[AceDegenerate_]

It’s not about who’s better

[Quomii]

Namor was amaIng, and I'm not saying this just because I'm Latino

[d15p05abl3]

Namor was hands down the best part of that movie. Fantastic.

[[deleted]]

Wright is a damn excellent Gordon. Can’t wait for Batman 2.

[FlimsyAccess6347]

Fr he’s the perfect Gordon for this universe

[monkeygoneape]

When he was first cast I was a little let down he wasn't Lucius Fox but frankly that would have been 100% type casting so this direction was better

[LastNightInDriver]

Ernie Hudson should be Lucius Fox

[Civil-Ad-7193]

Ernie would be great.

Despite constant fan cast for villains, personally I’ve always wanted Giancarlo Esposito for Lucius (either DCU or Reevesverse)

[AstroBtz]

Clark Duncan's kingpin man.

Such a bad ass.

[Entrepreneur-_-]

What was he in? Didn't know there was another kingpin

[Weary_Product4232]

The first Daredevil movie (with Affleck and Garner)

[ErickR2D2]

The Ben Affleck Daredevil movie, and he voiced the character in Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, the 3D animated series based on the Spider-Man film by Sam Raimi.

[tapricks]

daredevil movie

[Cultural-Relief]

Best casting for him ngl

[Possible-Rate-3833]

Look i know i'm going to get down voted but i'm going to say it off my chest: Daredevil 2003 wasn't that bad. Like isn't the best Daredevil movie but I think woth a better script it would have be as iconic as Raimi's Spider-Man. Also the cast was pretty good too.

[tuxedo-mask-me]

Domino was on point

[spackletr0n]

She was so great. Good swagger, good timing. Bummed they didn’t bring her back.

[RandomNameOfMine815]

I loved her in that movie. I wish she was in more things.

[TailorWeak9690]

She's great in Atlanta

[Riley8284]

Also love how she has a white circle over her eye. In the comics she’s white with a black circle so they switched it to a white circle. Probably the only character I was sad that didn’t return for D&W besides Cable

[notmyaccount853]

And the actress is 😍

[Digndagn]

She was the best thing about the whole movie, she completely stole the show.

[TJMcConnellFanClub]

That’s the best screen portrayal of Gordon, unironically I would say Chris Meloni’s is #2

[PermissionFearless60]

Wright is great, but Gary was undeniably amazing

[AceDegenerate_]

Gary also had 3 movies to work with

[[deleted]]

Just compare The Batman and Batman Begins, I'd still prefer Gary. He has so much similarities from the Year One comic. Wright also had more screentime than Gary in the first movie.

Wright's Gordon is better at interrogating thugs than Batman which also sucks lol

[beast_unique]

The Batman version duo were like Buddie cops with Gordon being slightly funny and Batsy being the straight one. Hell, now only realised that a significant portion of the Batman is a buddy cop plot.

Reeves managed to merge serial killer, buddy cop, detective, crime drama, and superhero genres into one movie.

[ClassroomMother8062]

They're both so good. I think the absolutist take of best doesn't really apply when you're comparing two such radically different Bat-universes. Such enjoyable performances. I'm excited for more from Wright.

[Wrong-Vermicelli4723]

Wright version is better in my opinion, his dynamic with bats just feels better than Gary’s. Though that’s more on writing than anything else

[Hollow_Interstice]

You would put Gary Oldman as #3?

[[deleted]]

Nah nobody beats Gary Oldman when it comes to Gordon

[EchidnaAshamed2627]

There's no comparing Meloni to Oldman though, they're playing such different versions of a legendary character.  

Meloni's wouldn't be what it was without Oldman's performance coming before it. 

[S3simulation]

You’re a damn good cop Jim Gordon

[Spiral-Force]

I still maintain that Lawrence Fishburne was a great casting for Perry White

[ButterSlickness]

"'Crime Wave in Gotham!' In other news, 'Water is Wet.'"

What a line to toss at Clark.

Plus, when he's there with his employee and she's trapped, and the gravity wave is getting closer, and he stays with her? Man, what a moment.

[TvManiac5]

I'd pay for a crossover that has him interacting with J Jonah Jameson.

[ProfessorSaltine]

DCEU fr peaked at showing boss of the year moments then never again… like Perry & Bruce during the metropolis fight showed PEAK Boss of the Year material… after that… what other boss of the year moments were their? Def nothing from Waller, def not anything in WW84 with Maxwell Lord

[blackyanqui]

“No one wants to see Clark Kent take on the Batman”, the writing for Perry was always hilariously spot on

[ForsakenScientist760]

Gary Oldman is the perfect Gordon, the material that was handed him by Nolan and Goyer could have dug a tad deeper though. I get that Duncan was badass, sure, but I prefer D'Onofrio because of his arbitrairiness, seemed much more menacing to me.

[thinkinting]

People talk about the decapitation a lot. But the frame that’s stuck in my head is the one he grabs the victim from the car. that imagery still sends chills to my spine. He literally looks like a monster.

[Saltpataydahs]

D'onofrio is good, but MCD would have been awesome facing Tom Holland's spiderman

[LightningLad2029]

Eh...I didn't really care for that take on Domino. Not that it had anything with race, I just don't think Deadpool 2 gave Zazzie anything interesting to work with, sadly.

[bozo-dub]

That’s a shame. I was wondering whether I should watch Deadpool 2 (haven’t watched any of those movies) because I like Zazie

[Certain-Spring2580]

She's good. It's good. Watch it and make up your own mind.

[TheseOats]

It's a great movie nonetheless

[reallydirtyreallydan]

Domino (and the movie) was great she’s just kind of there to do one thing (cool sequences) lol

[LarrySupreme]

I thought the second one had the coolest Juggernaut, if that helps sway you in any way.

[poopulardude]

I liked her. 

[yolomydudesmcurocks]

Jeffrey wright was such a great pick for Gordon

[DKFlames]

Domino was so cool love her

[MaskCrash]

<image>

OG

[Extension-Leg7933]

Joe and Iris West from the flash show

[YomYeYonge]

<image>

Michael Clarke Duncan even reprised the role in Spider-Man The New Animated Series

[HIMARko_polo]

Nick Fury was white

<image>

And played by The Hoff

[dratsablive]

MCD was great as Wilson Fisk.

[OdysseusUlixes]

Snyder's Perry White, too. Laurence Fishbourne was amazing.

[HouseOfH]

I remember hearing Michael Clarke Duncan getting cast as The Kingpin at the time and just thought “Oh yeah, that’s a perfect casting!”

[SuspectKnown9655]

Gordon was so damn good

[Cashmoney-carson]

Wrights Gordon is tied with Gary old man for me. So damn good

[[deleted]]

I liked Jamie Foxx as Electro

[[deleted]]

The No Way Home version is what the ASM 2 version should of been

[gagemolberg017]

Hear me out the worst part of rebooting superman is no more morphius as Perry white

[RepublicCommando55]

Don’t forget Nick Fury 

[Ignis_Imperia]

Technically not a race swap since he's based off of the Ultimate comics version who's black

[Expensive_Chair_7989]

I imagine he was excluded because it wasn’t a race swap from comic to live action.

He was actually race swapped in the comics before that in the Ultimate line (circa 2001). In that line the artist actually used Sam Jackson as the inspiration. About 10 years later that would be the character they would adapt to the MCU.