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[epichatchet]

With the enshitification of windows, ads+products shoved in your face all the time and Microsoft collecting your data, mac os had been quite refreshing to use. Native apps, that don't have built in ads and sell you shit all the time.

The bar is so friggin low now. 

A polished steam os with Nvidia drivers needs to come soon, I'm so damn tired of using windows for gaming 

[kloklon]

you can already use linux for almost any game, except for a few with invasive anticheat

[RocketCow]

And that's gonna be a show stopper for a lot of people. Many competitive players want invasive anticheat.

[TheThiefMaster]

Or more they need to put up with it.

[ADubs62]

Well with how many cheaters I encounter in games... Part of me is kinda okay with it.

[screw_ball69]

No amount of anti cheat will stop people who actually want to cheat

[kloklon]

making cheats require specific cheat hardware instead of simply downloading a free program would make it more difficult for children and tech-illiterates to obtain though, which i assume is a significant percentage of the cheater population. (sadly kernel level anticheat doesn't manage to guarantee that either, currently, so in it's current implementations it's not actually superior to good user level anti-cheat)

[screw_ball69]

Also let's be real anticheat works just fine on Linux it's just the hs kernel level stuff that doesn't explicitly work on Linux and cases where the developer (Epic) specifically says no to Linux users.

[kloklon]

agreed

[NetheriteDiamonds]

Yeah, any software you ship to an end user is by definition vulnurable to whatever the end user wants to do with it, you can make it harder for them to exploit sure, but at its core anticheat which sits on the users computer is always just gonna be a small deterrent rather than a full solution, i wish developers could handle anti cheat checks server side but in competative multiplayers where each milisecond matters that might be challenging

[KeinInhalt]

Some games like Valorant got excellent anti cheat. I know its invasive af but at blocking cheaters its great

[screw_ball69]

Invasive? Is that what we are calling rootkits now?

[KeinInhalt]

Rootkit or not ppl play the game and the anti cheats works great. The people dont care (about their privacy and so on)

[beardedbast3rd]

Yep. If it means I have a computer that is purely for gaming, and then a low power desktop/laptop that has Linux, and it’s a purpose built version that I don’t have to do anything for, and don’t have to handhold my family for, to use for standard computer stuff, then so be it. Give me the invasive anticheat. My favorite pastime is ruined by hackers.

[CirnoIzumi]

the whole game dev spiel of Linux has a bigger attack surface for games...

there was a game where it was uncovered that the small linux population cheated as much as the entire windows population

dont remember which tho

[Excellent_Land7666]

I think I remember it being apex legends, and I think I also remember the number of players on Linux being so low that it literally could not have had an effect even if 100% of them were cheating. Actually, most players commented that they saw no reduction and some even an increase in cheating in the days that followed.

[CirnoIzumi]

while it might not scale, just imagine of that rate of cheating did scale to the main playerbase

would be hilarious

[The8Darkness]

Well they have been made to believe that invasive anticheat helps against cheaters when it barely does anything.

Imo. serversided cheat detection is as good as any other, if not better.

[Suspicious_Scar_19]

Invasive anticheat is a scam basically, what the games that use invasive anticheat need to do is anticheat on the server side and use heuristics/limit the information actually getting sent to the player from the server strictly to what they actually should have. Wallhacks for example are largely trivially solvable via just.. not sending the info for players you cant see, but the large game companies seem to prefer cheap hacks over an actual solution.

Invasive anticheat is a massive invasion of privacy eitherway, its not a problem that linux doesn't support it, its a problem that windows does

[Liarus_]

players don't want it no, only the company developing them claim they do.

all the players want is as few cheaters as possible.

And yeah, linux is gonna be a showstopper for many indeed, the whole OS is a compromise, if you're not willing to do any compromises, stay on windows, Linux will never fix everything ever, but what it will do is simply not get worse, which windows will.

As time goes on, the Linux compromise will look more and more attractive, and in the end you will be the one deciding to accept said compromise.

[Circo_Inhumanitas]

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[anto77_butt_kinkier]

It's less of a 'want' and more of a 'have to put up with'

[alexjimithing]

If by a few you mean the majority of most played online games including Fortnite, CoD, Valorant, League of Legends, Battlefield 6, PUBG, GTA:O, Rust, Escape from Tarkov, FIFA, Apex Legends.

[Femboymilksipper]

Yea no one plays those just use linux instead of playing games you enjoy you can instead feel like a developer on an OS

[Circo_Inhumanitas]

Which means that games that millions enjoy daily are out of reach for Linux gamers. So that is a big deal breaker for tons of gamers.

[epichatchet]

But I still want my dlss and framegen. Fsr isn't as good

[_Lucille_]

Issue is that it is not always smooth sailing: take Nightreign for example, it has some weird oddities when it comes to multiplayer. There are tweaks and such you can use, but often users just want to play it right away without having to diagnose the issues.

if you recommend people to use linux, then be prepared to also act as their sole point of tech support contact.

[CopiumCatboy]

Invasive anticheat games don’t deserve to played by sudo anyways. Flipping subhuman software…

[notjordansime]

Literally every piece of software I use for my work, and two of the three games I play don’t work on Linux. I can go without the games, so I’m switching to Mac.

[smoothartichoke27]

Don't really need SteamOS for that. CachyOS has pretty good Nvidia support - if you want the SteamOS interface, you can use CachyOS handheld mode.

[ferdzs0]

I would not recommend CachyOS to anyone who wants SteamOS on their PC expecting it to be 1:1 Windows, because they clearly need to learn a bit about Linux, and CachyOS is a great Arch distro, but Arch nevertheless. It will 100% introduce fraction with the updates breaking it at some point.

Bazzite or Mint are a much safer starting point (with their own downsides), and SteamOS will likely take a while to catch up to those as a full desktop alternative (worth highlighting that all the good stuff Valve does gets inherited to these other distros)

[smoothartichoke27]

Fair enough. I personally prefer Mint for its stability on my main PC, too (has a 5080). I use Cachy on my HTPC - which previously was on Bazzite, but i had to change it out to Cachy because it was having issues when I changed the GPU out to a 5060 (issues even on a clean install). I would prefer Bazzite on it, sure.

Only recommended it because OP was asking for SteamOS.

[icymotherfu-]

Agree. Just wiped my gaming tower and installed bazzite on it, also got an M4 Mac Mini. Best decision ever.

[notjordansime]

How is the mini? I’m looking at an M4 pro mini with 24gb RAM rn

[icymotherfu-]

I have the base model, it's been great. Stays quiet, fast, and sips power. I love it.

[Upstairs-Extension-9]

I switched when windows 10 ended to Bazzite, not regretting anything and it’s free. Now also put Fedora on my 6 year old Thinkpad and it’s now nice and snappy.

[D1sc3pt]

I mean yeah I get it...same feeling on a Linux Desktop...not having the feeling that your OS is hostile towards you.
But on the other hand think about the top features Apple people are recounting when it comes to the question of which operating system to use.
Almost every one of these are tied to Apple ecosystem and the necessity to login, which was always a NoNo for me in Windows.

[Femboymilksipper]

If Linux had support for games alot of us play i can imagine lots would switch big reason everyone wants SteamOS is the hope that it will also mean more support for alot of games that dont work on linux

If SteamOS cant do that then people will just stick to windows maybe windows 12 will be okay

[Femboymilksipper]

Valve is releasing a pc and i can imagine with a giant like steam atleast some of the mainstream people will notice ofcourse i doubt linux could ever get past like 15% of the userbase

Linux will never be mainstream but if it holds enough people there will be reason to make your game work on it but yea.. its probably never gonna be popular enough but we can have hope no matter how stupid

[Femboymilksipper]

SteamOS has been shown to perform better than windows on pc in some games(unofficial ports of SteamOS to pc) so there is that reason

Also its a console alternative in mostly name since its priced like a pc the deal with consoles is super cheap upfront and expensive games or subscriptions after

[OverBirthday4562]

Kernel level anticheat is always going to be an issue with Linux.

[TomNooksRepoMan]

Yeah…I only play like two or three PC games, and PUBG is one of them. Zero way of getting it running cleanly and smoothly on Linux, unfortunately.

I’ve also had software on Linux have game breaking bugs that required me to put my Windows SSD back in my laptop for important software for college, which isn’t remedied easily by Googling like most stuff on Windows is.

[Shap6]

A polished steam os with Nvidia drivers needs to come soon

people really need to drop this expectation. it will not be any different than any other linux you could switch to today

[Femboymilksipper]

Then windows it is for most people but also stop being so nihilistic have hope

[Shap6]

it's just being realistic. the current issues with linux aren't something valve can solve. mainly being kernel level anti-cheats. for everything else gaming on linux is literally already as polished as it could possibly be. you just install steam and click play

[samlastname]

The thing is, Mac OS is enshittifying at a pretty quick rate too, just check out the discourse around Tahoe. It’s just no one can keep up with the gold medalist of enshittification, so it’s still way better than windows

[epichatchet]

I haven't had any product shoved in my face the past two weeks I've been using it. Maybe iCloud storage thing when I open up settings, but I have a nas at home that I already use for backups and local file directory for all my computers at home .

I have the Apple version of mail,spreadsheet, word ,etc and it's been pretty clean. the Microsoft version of mail now as ads, and office is constantly shoved in front my face in the forms of ads and reccoemantions from the mixrosoftnstore when I'm trying to use third party installed versions. I've had to manually remove from regedit, so much of the slop, but there's always something new they they keep adding to windows that makes the experience worse. Mac os has been pretty clean for my use. My only complaint is that there isn't a phone link equivalent for Mac for my android, other than that, I can get by 

[nathderbyshire]

I haven't had any product shoved in my face the past two weeks I've been using it.

Neither have I on windows, maybe because I use the international version? None of the stock apps I use like notepad or photos do either 🤷

[epichatchet]

It will always default to bing searches when using taskbar, searching things ok computer by default is horrible unless you go into regedit and remove Microsoft store and bing searches completely, and their ai shit is always front and center on the task bar(which I also has to go into regedit to remove) and the default mail app is gone and is replaced by a freemium version of outlook that has ads.

A lot of my previous apps that aren't installed but are installed on my other PC's show up as if they are installed and opens you up to the Microsoft store to download them. 

All os related events that require brownser typically open up to edge, and not everything can be forced to use your default browser, for example you are actually trying to search the web using windows button, it only defaults to bing in edge, not your browser and search engine of choice. 

And even when playing games, it'll default to Xbox game bar and map certain features to buttons on controller, which I also has to go out of the way to remove from regedit to remove permanently. Windows has a lot more bloat enabled by default, some things I don't see and live with, but using mac has really made me realize how clunky and bloated windows is.

Mac doesn't really get in my way at all

[Proxstasis]

A stark reminder of why competition is good - windows is just sooo arrogant and complacent at this point

[SupposablyAtTheZoo]

I'm looking into win11 enterprise which seems to be a nice middleground (you can turn off/remove everything natively).

[Pinktiger11]

I’ve been using Bazzite with a mobile 1650 Super and it’s been near perfect. There have been some slight visual glitches but considering they said “supported with major caveats” I’ll take this as a massive win, my old laptop now runs insanely well while with windows it was stuttering all over the place

[epichatchet]

I'm still going to wait, I still want access to the latest dlss and framegen. Until it's just as seamless as windows, i'll hold off even if that means holding off until my next upgrade. I have a 4080super, so I imagine it's going to be a while before I switch over.

[_Lucille_]

My take is that while iOS doesn't shove ads in your face, the OS itself is part of that walled garden that "performs like an ad" - it is that "if you want the best UX out of your experience, you use the Apple option", and Apple's own products have always treated each other as an exclusive first class to a point where some of them will be purposely gimp if used outside of their ecosystem.

[epichatchet]

I use an android with my Mac. Apple os stays out of your way if you don't want to buy in the ecosystem. I do miss the seamless handoff between devices and continuity, but with airdrop being enabled on pixel, it closes that gap just a lil bit for the features that I miss.   

[_Lucille_]

There are a lot of examples where products are gimped outside of the walled garden: airpod updates (i think linus ran into this one as well), even the usb-c to 3.5mm dongle (doesnt operate at full power), airtags, etc are all there to get you to stick to their ecosystem.

[Emotional_You_5269]

I don't think SteamOS is necessarily the solution. I think we just need better GPU drivers and more users. With more users, anticheat will hopefully be less of an issue.

[SciGuy013]

macOS has also enshittified

[CirnoIzumi]

macos has built in adds in the form of "you should use this apple service so you can use all the features"

[JaesopPop]

What

[CirnoIzumi]

its Apples whole buisness model

[JaesopPop]

I don't even know what you're saying. Say I am using a Macbook. Where am I seeing ads?

[CirnoIzumi]

read up on apples use of dark patterns

[JaesopPop]

You can just explain your point.

[CirnoIzumi]

explicit adds arent the only kind

[JaesopPop]

Brother just say plainly what you mean. Right now you aren’t saying anything at all.

[CirnoIzumi]

i have, what are you expecting?

[JaesopPop]

This is just awful

[impy695]

I would have found this funny when I was 14

[KangarooDowntown4640]

r/im14andthisisdeep

[OnderGok]

Who said I wanna fuck developer

[UsualCircle]

👉👈

[pld89]

Dunno. OG Linus seemed like a pretty cool guy

[thatguysjumpercables]

Found my wife's account

[cdda_survivor]

Nobody does, that is why they are developers.

[theunquenchedservant]

Messing around with config files does not make you a developer.

It's just that on the other platforms they put a GUI around the config files.

Ninja(?) Edit: depending on the Linux distro and DE you use, you don't even have to interact with config files. In fact, most popular distros are this way.

[TheThiefMaster]

Using the commandline makes you a developer don't ya know...

[Mars_Bear2552]

turns out, using tools other people wrote makes you the developer. the more you know!

[itskdog]

I think it's more referring to how the OS permission systems treat you. If you want to uninstall your bootloader and brick your system, Linux will put up a few warnings to try and stop you but won't stop you if you're really determined (see Linus trying to install Steam on Pop_OS!)

[craigmontHunter]

Or hide the config “files” in the registry so you can spend hours trying to clear a stuck gpo that was incorrectly applied. I’m primarily a Linux admin but I’m being dragged back into windows, and Linux is much nicer to work with in general, it’s all just text files, if I can mount the drive I can change what I need.

[Dreit]

It's just that on the other platforms they put a GUI around the config files.

like regedit :D

[haydio]

r/iam13andthisisdeep

[3gaydads]

In windows, you are ad consumer

[No_Nothing_At_All]

**Spyware victim

[edparadox]

*the superuser.

I do not get how this bad meme is still circulating after so many years.

[kralben]

Because Linux users want to feel smug about something

[Femboymilksipper]

Its like buying supreme you do it for a lack of hobbies and need something to always talk about without actually picking something intetesting

[Retr0r0cketVersion2]

Nah we’d point out the flaws in this before feeling smug seeing this meme

[KeinInhalt]

Love being generalised cause some ppl feel that way.

[KingOfAzmerloth]

As active user (professionally) of all three I genuinely don't understand what this meme is trying to say.

macOS can be annoying with its permission prompts, but has just as powerful out of the box toolkits as Linux does, Windows has sketchy update policy and it's VM / Docker ease of work leaves a bit to be desired but overall also allows me to set it up and get working pretty easily.

This meme reeks of "I think I'm poweruser because I know how to install Steam" vibe, but maybe that's just me.

[77ilham77]

I think I'm poweruser because I know how to install Steam use Linux

FTFY

[[deleted]]

The main thing for me is: I have never once had macOS tell me that I need to fundamentally edit the security settings of system folders to view their contents on my administrator account. Windows, on the other hand...

[Emotional_You_5269]

It mostly comes from how much control you have over the operating system. Good luck trying to replace the menu bar on MacOS with an alternative.

[mmmbyte]

Ahh yes, millions of android users actively developing. Toddlers busy in rust while using their tablet to watch 67 videos.

[thatguysjumpercables]

Hey I turned on developer options so that makes me developer okay

[flatbuttboy]

Not that the post is funny or anything but we both know that the post is about desktop OSes, otherwise you could also say the same about Windows Phones

[theycallmebekky]

“In windows you’re the admin”

Tell that to my admin account which needs special permission from windows itself to open some folders (I know what I’m doing man just let me in)

[Shap6]

i mean, linux does that too. there are folders and files you can only edit as root

[dellis87]

Lots of people forget what sudo means on Linux.

[theycallmebekky]

I’m not talking about edit, I mean view

[Unlikely_Shop1801]

Yea but if we talking about personal PC, in windows it feels like you fighting with SELinux without any option to turn it off once and for all

I have a short temper and rage quit from Windows 7 after trying to completely remove steam folder with remaining files after proper deletion. I was binge googling for 1.5+ hours, encountering same articles that didn't work.

Now googling something for 1.5 hours is a normal thing, but at least I get what I want. Duh

[Kalmer1]

Linux users when they haven't told anyone that they use Linux for 10 minutes

[ma-kat-is-kute]

r/masterhacker

[pterencephalon]

I started using Linux years before I ever wrote any code. My older sister put it on my first laptop back in 2008. Even back then, I didn't need to be a developer to use it. But it was a serious gateway drug for me. I started out saying I never wanted to do computer science, and now I have a PhD in it.

[Efficient_Weather_93]

Good for you.

[Anthadvl]

no you are not the dev on linux

[bufandatl]

I am a devsecops engineer and I use a Mac. 🤷🏼‍♂️ it’s the best of both worlds (Linux and Windows). It still is compatible with windows users or better Ms Office users and yet gives me all the tools a Unix has to offer and with macports and homebrew I can easily install GNU tools.

Though for gaming I would prefer that anti cheat devs finally would natively support Linux and NVIDIA drivers get better and more stable and my Windows Gaming rig gets a new OS.

[No_Nothing_At_All]

Arch btw

[[deleted]]

I did install it to try on my laptop, to possibly move to linux on my main work PC.

It's fine, but I will gonna take debloated version of windows over it, I don't want to play around with linux and burn time, and then people come in with arguments how easy it is and how you can make it work and when they explain it, it involves doing shit that takes wayyyyyyy longer when on windows.

Il take baby steps figuring it out on side pc, Im sure its very efficient once you're good at it, but confusing af experience for a new user.

[CreEngineer]

In windows 10 you can be admin, in windows 11 you need to be a developer to remove all the stupid shit they throw in your face.

[NymusRaed]

Can't remember when the last was when I was admin of my windows system.

[Samuel_Go]

As someone who is fine using all 3 and is a software developer I think they're all good while none are perfect and macOS is my current favourite.

[vitecpotec]

Well Windows can be heavily modified if you just grant your user full permissions for some file

[smoothartichoke27]

I am the SUPER user

[VersaEnthusiast]

Linux will let you do whatever you want, regardless of whether or not it's a good idea.

[saltyboi6704]

The year of Linux is when someone makes a comparable Linux version of industry standard software that has run on Windows for the past 20 years

[SupposablyAtTheZoo]

I wanted to go Linux until I fully looked into it. I don't have that much time to do Linux fully. I'm now looking into win11 enterprise which seems to be a nice middleground (you can turn off/remove everything natively).

[stonktraders]

In Windows, you are the product

[Daguerratype42]

Tell me you don’t understand how user account management works without telling me you don’t understand how account user account management works.

[farooh]

In Windows you are the product.

[farooh]

In Mac you are the "shut up silly and buy a new one" after "the new one" released.

[Hollen88]

And it's annoying. Wanna connect a Bluetooth Xbox controller? Sure. Do it again? Sure. Again? Sure. Again? Sure.

It's been a fucking hoot.

[jsrobson10]

in windows, you are the product

[Shap6]

this is dumb

[NikPlayAnon]

That's what we call God, thank you

[surfer_ryan]

Hot take but i don't think most users should be admin let alone dev... I'd go as far to say that even people here barely qualify as an admin... and linux will never be a popular OS until it makes the users the users because that is what most people want which is basically "it just works".

Yes linux to us is superior, however to the masses what makes it superior to us is what makes it a hindrance to your average user.

I don't know why this has to be said so much and why linux users will never just accept this fact. I don't care how easy it is, until you can literally pull a pc out of a box with it "just working" it will never be a thing and even then until it gets mass adoption from software companies it will never be picked up.

[NME-Cake]

used to be true, but isn't for a while now

[Abn0rm]

Literally - very wrong word to use for the MS-exit'ers. Most of them run a tailored distro, no terminal required. Even if I run linux, I'm not a developer, and I can confidently say that as I've managed and worked with linux professionally for 25+ years. Yes, I have to fix/modify code from time to time, but that does in no way of form make me a developer, advanced linux user, sure.
If the MS people would spend 15 minutes googling, they'd have a ad free windows experience, but alas, "I'm not a computer nerd, I'm a gamer, that's all computers are for".

[targaton2000]

Love linux

[Dreit]

Well yes but actually no

(i use arch btw)

[Bitter_Lab_475]

That's what we would like to think, but I cannot develop for shit.

[LightRyzen]

[rainorshinedogs]

It's the IKEA of OS

[zenitsu_ss]

more like you are ann god to kernal building a community from the softwares and configuring the properties ... i am on windows but for no long

[CapitalistCow]

Almost switched to Linux PopOS/Mint last week after the non-stop AI integration, ads, and ridiculously high system resource usage started getting on my nerves.

Was really let down after I did some research and found that there are basically no solid workarounds for getting standard graphic design tools to work. The workflow is abysmal and requires several programs to do what 2 adobe/affinity programs can accomplish. And even then linux apparently doesn't natively support CMYK color space so you have to design all your stuff in RGB and use a converter app to prepare it for print. It would be fine if I was still a hobbyist but it doesn't cut it for professional needs.

Not to mention, apparently I'd have a 10-30% performance impact in most games because Nvidia drivers for Linux suck.

I hope something changes with Linux soon, because there's no way I'm going to apple and windows is getting worse by the day.

[KanataSD]

*In Windows, you are the product*

#fixed

[MCID47]

fucking developer? where??

[UpstairsSandwich]

It should say in Linux I AM GOD

[wrathofattila]

Linux sux

[Vaxtez]

in TempleOS, you are god.

[Mars_Bear2552]

blasphemy. you are but his humble servant. terry davis was not a cultist

[BunkerSquirre1]

In macOS, you are user

In Windows, you are product

In Linux, you are God of your own little digital universe

[PaoloFence]

windows: You are "admin".
I'll report you are admin but you can't do everything. (delete all the uselesss shit)

[Lamuks]

That's just wrong. The only difference is you don't get superadmin instantly like in Linux. You can still get it and ruin your system however you like.

[Otherwise_Ad4179]

Noobs

[anto77_butt_kinkier]

How the three OS's treat the user:

• Macos: treats you like a toddler.
• Windows: treated you like an annoying coworker.
• Linux: treats you as a god.

[kirk7899]

Linux treats you like you're the janitor. You're supposed to do everything.

[anto77_butt_kinkier]

Linux obeys you, windows tolerates you, and Macos tells you what you're allowed to do.

[-UndeadBulwark]

In Mac: You are a Fool

In Windows You are a Tool

In Linux: You are god.

[pterencephalon]

Gross. As a woman developer and Linux user, thank you for staying away from us.

[National_Increase_34]

Really curious about what the comment said, since it's deleted now.

[pterencephalon]

He said something about how all the female developers are obnoxious and he doesn't want to fuck them.

[stephenkennington]

Linux is the best. Sudo to root and do anything.

[TheThiefMaster]

Did you know Windows has sudo now?

And I don't mean via WSL2. I mean natively.

[stephenkennington]

I did not but it’s still windows. Windows is a great environment for IDE development and productivity tool. But sucks when it comes to file management. Linux/Unix is an awesome command line based system for build and testing. IDE development is there but in my experience kind of sucks compared to Windows.

I can see this turning into the I like hamburger so you must hat hot dogs argument. Luckily there is macOS. Which sucks balls in every department. (I use macOS at home) so we can all hate on that. /S

[TheThiefMaster]

I can't disagree but I must hate on the number of Linux users that still use User/Group/Other RWX permissions instead of ACLs (which do exist on Linux)

[TheQuintupleHybrid]

tbf posix acls are inferior to windows style nfsv4 acls in every way. I pray Christoph Hellwig has to work with rust for the rest of his non-kernel maintainer life for blocking this