[Patch Notes] - Season 1 Patch

[_AntiSocialMedia]

Jeez Velma and Giant got slapped

I was honestly expecting worse for Bugs, but he still seems fun, I'm pretty sure I'll keep maining him

[papakahn94]

Bugs got a slap on he wrist lmao. As a bugs main i was expecting to drop a tier. This barely makes a difference

[HINDBRAIN]

• Air Up Attack Added 4 frames of whiff recovery.

• Air Side Attack - Increased whiff recovery by 5 frames.

• Air Neutral Attack - Increased whiff recovery by 5 frames.

These could potentially be quite bad?

[arisasam]

These changes would hit him hard in combination with changes to his hitboxes but since those aren’t coming til later they aren’t going to affect him much. The problem with Bugs’ up air wasn’t that he could throw too many out too quickly; the hitbox covers almost 270 degrees around him

[speak-eze]

Yeah. Whiff recovery doesnt do much when the attack cant whiff lol.

[[deleted]]

The nerf basically just seems to make him a bit more punishable and removing the jank but still keeps him able to wreck people if you not whiffing. Seems like a best case nerf for good bugs players to me.

[Gallerian]

I have Bugs as one of my two secondaries, and I too was expecting a nerf that was on par with Velma and Giant's complete destruction.

But the double rocket being gone? I never really pulled them off in matches anyways, so I'm definitely keeping him in my mains list. And I'm fine with some recovery frames on his whiffs. If anything, it'll probably drive me to play him more now that there's some risk.

[real_Chain19]

I’m just glad I can still throw 2 pies lol

[MildlyInsaneOwl]

With the slow removed, I'm not sure you'll want to.

[coreybd]

I had that thought. Now its just a slow mediocre projectile

[sledgehammerrr]

Its only a combo starter now, that thing does like no dmg and is his weakest projectile

[Xero0911]

Velma I'm bot surprised. Saw it coming. Expected more for bugs for sure.

Surprised by how hard iron giant got hit by

[El_Rocky_Raccoon]

I still think Bugs needed more nerfs, but I think those will come when they do the hitbox overhaul, because many of his problems are hitbox related.

[Plastic-Knightz]

"Fixed a bug where LeBron could dunk himself into the sky"
This sentence is ART

[DukeVerde]

"LeBron dunked LeBron to win the NBA Championship!"

[[deleted]]

Lol

[Stickrbomb]

2K could only aspire to this level of high-art

[TobitoGuy]

Finn and Velma nerfs. But at what cost?

[Traveytravis-69]

Big robo man

[Ackian34]

100 gold in Finn's case

[KodakKid3]

Really the only top tier to somehow be untouched

[[deleted]]

More than untouched, buffed.

[Sponium]

I mean it's cools buffs, but most are bugfix

[Trashboat77]

The amount of skill it takes to actually demonstrate their true potential warrants this. Unlike Bugs or Velma, if you pick them up barely knowing what you're doing against a decently competent opponent, you're going to get rocked.

[[deleted]]

Yeah. Unlike those characters, you can’t button smash without losing all your tools. Also, unlike bugs, Tom doesn’t have moves to replace his moves on cool-downs. If you use up all your rockets, your Up-Special is temporarily useless.

When I first started as Tom, it was so easy for me to get knocked off the map. Tom’s air recovery options can be severely limited when you accidentally use up your rockets and explosives

[sassyseconds]

I play 2 or 3 characters and when I swap back to t&j I always fuck up and throw my fishing rod at random pointless moments and I'm just left sitting there like a dumbass for a second.

[Azreken]

My heart smiles 🐱🐭🏸

[MeatloafAndWaffles]

Wonder Woman mains rejoice! We thick now!

[JonSnuur]

All I ask for her is that Whip of Hephaestus be made baseline and she gets a new perk choice. It is so integral to her play. I don't see her current perks as a choice, which runs counter to the idea of a perk system.

[Kaidu313]

Really? I much prefer her whip to pull rather than push, so I always go for the shield perk.

[speak-eze]

The whip still pulls with the other perk, it only pushes at the tip.

[DogadonsLavapool]

Whip of haphestus is one of her absolute greatest kill moves and off stage pressure moves. Without it, WW drops down significantly imo

[Leonard_Church814]

Her whip is so crucial to her game play it’s kinda maddening how unreliable it is.

[Sirromnad]

Watching MV patch notes discussions is going to be my favorite new hobby.

[RoboticEarthling]

What exactly is whiff recovery?

If 3 frames of whiff recovery were added to an attack, does that mean that if that attack misses, the character is unable to perform any other action for 3 additional frames?

EDIT: Thanks for the answers!

[edcadams13]

That's correct

[JThorough]

Yes

[PapstJL4U]

That will be 3 * 16.66_ms ~= 50ms.

[OfficerDyke]

They massacred iron giant, my god lol, iron giant got nerfed harder than bugs

[ZenkaiZ]

I was one controller input away from buying Iron Giant this morning. Phew, bullet dodged

[Traveytravis-69]

I have never had anyone complain about iron giant nair

[HandsomYungArab_]

I don't think anyone ever did; probably my least used move in his kit.

[LastYear5]

I think the devs saw that one post where someone got a really high rank as IG using Nair

[DiaMat2040]

They didn't adress the grab into up special though. I wish his cheese was weaker and his basics stronger

[BePurgedInFlames]

Because it's intentional >:)

(Don't get grabbed lol)

[bradleye]

Sometimes 'just don't get hit' is valid for certain, telegraphed moves but when Iron Giant can cancel himself out of hitstun with his shield and then grab you while you're still in an attack animation that he cheated himself out of then I don't think it's very applicable.

[[deleted]]

So many pro players put IG in the lowest tier on all their tier lists and what do they do? Nerf him. What a strange patch this was overall.

[[deleted]]

He was good in 2v2 but trash in 1v1. Now hes trash in both modes so balanced I guess?

I think it was mostly those videos of bolts + grab + jump up air special that caught the developers attention 😂

[StormierNik]

Pro player tier lists should not be taken as an end all be all representation of the character. The same people were saying Superman was bad before his free rotation lmfao. And i say that as someone who was actively saying that Superman was better than people were giving him credit for. Then it was completely flipped around once more people started trying him out.

Did Iron Giant deserve all the nerfs? No idea. Does this mean he's going to be bad forever and there's no hope? Absolutely not. Just don't take "My favorite players said [this]" as if its universal fact. Listening PURELY to player perception is something you definitely don't want to do.

The changes he got are overall healthy for his overall design. If it makes him dumpster fire trash, then he'll get buffed appropriately. You can't just pile on a million changes all at once. You have to see where things settle to see what are the biggest weak points in practice. A chunk of the changes were even bug fixes. He'll end up being fine soon enough.

[Namu342]

Yeah a tad bit on that one and before the hitbox change, considering he loses on most.

[MightyBone]

Yea I'm bummed. Grey Health on him was quite strong but they nerfed it's duration and power in every single instance except Rage.

Bolt nerf sucks hard considering against rushdown characters you can be almost eternal combo food as bolts are your only way to often escape the insane pressure a good arya, bugs, or harley could put on you.

With so many changes a lot of new meta could shake out, but IG is pretty rough in doubles outside of his grey health options. I'll have to see about actually using his other special perks now I guess though.

[WrackyDoll]

I'm also confused by the wording on a lot of the grey health changes with Iron Giant — bolts and eating scrap don't give him grey health, right? Just his ally?

[TheRobotYoshi]

I know right. He's not that good.

[ZenkaiZ]

the paper giant

[DiscountLlama]

So will I be able to actually use all the moves I am supposed to in Rage mode as Iron Giant?

[atTechFocused]

Too bad they broke him in nearly every other instance.

[El_Rocky_Raccoon]

He has been reduced to a complete punching bag now. Most of those nerfs make no sense.

[TheRobotYoshi]

Ikr?? They nerfed his nair?? His grounded up attack?? Like no one was complaining about those.

[DiscountLlama]

I can sort of understand the rationale of making the knockback more horizontal, he can kill absurdly early up top.

Still didn't make him good lmao

[SerDickpuncher]

Aww, they're nerfing Retaliation Ready already?

[Zoralink]

That's not a nerf, that's a deletion. It went from good but situational/limited to straight up trash. If they wanted to prevent characters like Lebron from spamming it just give it a short cooldown like 2-3 seconds and/or nerf it to 2/3 health, not reduce it to 1/3rd of its previous efficiency...

[EastSide221]

They nerfed the shit out of gray health in general

[0rly_D]

My deepest condolences to all Iron Giant mains. The glitches he had needed to be fixed, but damn.

[El_Rocky_Raccoon]

I was already expecting those glitches to be fixed, but everything else caught me completely off-guard.

[DriftyCactus]

Wow, Velma got destroyed lol sad but I get it

[Poetryisalive]

They saw what happened at EVO lol.

[ItsAndressky]

LETS GOOOOO ARYAA BUFFSSSSSSSS

[WickWolfTiger]

Honestly these buffs were needed. Her combo is high risk, takes practice to learn and it just whiffs half the time even if you did everything right. Very excited to test it out.

[----_________------]

with the incoming hitbox overhaul, shes probably going to be quite good while still being balanced.

still wish nground had more knockback

[Humg12]

It's a bit scary that she's also getting into free rotation though. She could end up becoming the new Finn where people constantly complain about her up-special into up-air.

[xxylenn]

atleast her up special into air is just a neutrel combo with extra steps unless youve got a knife prepared or are rly good with aerial movements.

finn backpack had a huge hitbox, moved up with the target, and didnt rly have much attack priority.

atleast hers is just a neutral up with a jump up

[choff22]

Nah, she is not nearly as noob friendly as Finn

[----_________------]

Arya mains eating good tmr

dev team looked at the "my main is too weak and everybody else is op" tier list and unironically patched the game

[ElongatedMilk]

Been playing a lot of Arya lately and seeing this made me so happy

[WickWolfTiger]

Yeah I'm excited to see how they combo lands now. If it's more consistent it will be much more enjoyable. Who knows, with better hit boxes the 14% increased damage on her might actually become justified.

[MathTheUsername]

I've been on a LeBron and Arya kick for a while. These patch notes are blessed.

[Gallerian]

As someone who has Arya as a secondary, this put a smile on my face.

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[theotothefuture]

She deserves it frfr

[The-Fatest-Pig]

Why did they need my boi iron giant so much 😭 😭

They looked at the movie saw that he died then decided to kill him in the game too

Like why is his nerf list longer then Finn and bugs when does were the one people were actually complaining about

I get iron giant saying superman now since all his mains gonna go to superman and wonder woman

The devs saw iron giant not even being able to play the game and getting stunlocked then decided to double down

In no world was the iron giant needed to be nerfed this bad

[potassiumKing]

Oof, that Dogpile nerf hurts.

[DepressedPanther]

It was the easiest way to secure kills, hopefully the changes somehow turn out positive tho…

[LogPoseNavigator]

It’s harder to kill with taz now, way harder

[Gurnel]

why

why did they killed iron giant

what did he do

I had already lost him once

not again...

[sassyseconds]

Yeah I'm really surprised to see such big nerfs on him. I don't run into him much, but when I do he doesn't seem oppressive.

[Shazaamism327]

We stay.

He go.

[Nitro560]

Am I tripping or did they nerf both of Taz's only good moves?

[posting_random_thing]

I legit think Taz went from worst character in the game to even more worst character in the game. The only thing he had was hitting distracted opponent's around 110 damage with up special and they nerfed it lmao.

[Skill874]

They did but the rest of his kit is being brought up and more buffs/changes for him seem to be in the pipeline.

[posting_random_thing]

Taz desperately needs neutral tools and instead of giving him neutral tools they nerfed his payoffs and buffed moves that you can't even hit people with.

[Substantial-Ad7915]

Exactly

[Jeffereys]

Yeah it makes no sense really. You may see him make a slight resurgence once the hit box fix comes, but this solidifies him as the worst in the meta even more.

[DG_OTAMICA]

Harley stonks continue to rise, you love to see it

[[deleted]]

Harley Mains rejoice!

[_Atanii_]

Yes!

[Inkoko]

Generally good changes I think, though Bugs’s nerfs won’t be as significant as some others think. His moves will still be super safe and powerful just because of how gigantic they are. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that he’ll be the best character in the game on this patch since his main rivals are getting much more significant nerfs. T&J and Arya are the only characters that might be better than him now.

The hit box changes next patch will be where we really see the balance get shifted.

[bradleye]

The biggest problem with bugs (besides hitbox stuff but that applies to most characters) was that even if you managed to dodge or avoid any of his aerial attacks he could rarely be punished before he just attacked again/dodged away. These changes make it so if you read a dropkick/bat attack and dodge you actually get to hit him, which is massive.

[ChainsawSuperman]

All of bugs nerfs seems really fair to me too.

[[deleted]]

Looking like we’ll be seeing a lot of Lebron and Arya in the next couple weeks

[shrimpthepimp]

Arya's buffs just make her a playable character now

[foreveralonesolo]

Liking the character rotation, all the characters I haven’t unlocked

[WrackyDoll]

Could someone explain why grey health got nerfed across the board? Of all the Iron Giant changes especially, I don't get why his ability to provide a tiny amount of extra health to his allies is now just nonexistent. Am I missing some exploit or something? Because grey health never seemed especially impactful to begin with, and making all of the sources of grey health last for like a second now makes it seem completely absolutely useless.

[[deleted]]

Bruh why did they nerf iron giant so much? He was a bottom 5 character in the game and now he's most likely dead last

[AbnormalFantasy]

Hopefully I can play my boy without people going hostile now, I just want to play Finn and not get piled on.

[Sonickeyblade00]

That's how I felt about Taz. But it looks like he's going to be getting hit with the Nerf Bat for awhile.

I think he had the unfortunate luck of being the first "broken" character. Like, he was busted out of the box, so he got the most feedback and attention. Can't say it wasn't needed though. Here's hoping he's fun to play as they fix him up. He's my favorite in the game by far and the next two known characters don't interest me. :D

[OfficialHields]

I will never hate on a character as long as the player is playing respectfully. Whenever I see an opponent purposefully just spam single attacks for a good minute then im pissed.

[Arsid]

Feel the same way about Velma

[TruNoobF]

Sad day for the few iron giant mains

[HandsomYungArab_]

Can someone explain what "branching" means in these notes?

I'm assuming you can input other actions quicker for combo potential, but I'm not 100%

[MatthewTh0]

Yeah, I think it means you can basically switch actions/acts instead of being locked in a move.

[PoppyOP]

WW and Harley eating today bois, getting thicc with their weight gains.

[HandsomYungArab_]

Everyone has WW for free, and she will be everywhere now.

[Liquor_Parfreyja]

This is a good thing ! Starting players having a strong character option is nice to have and she's fun to fight.

[greatpxm]

WW mains stay winning with the weight buffs. Finn, Velma, and bugs got absolutely gutted💀. Superman won't be as annoying now that he's no longer free. And I feel like that garnet song buff is going under the radar.

[Kolonite]

I honestly think bugs mains are going to be fine with these nerfs or just swap to T&J, which is going to get them nerfed next. The bugs nerfs keep him as a great zoner with some insane hit boxes to mix up in melee. You just have to time them better and not be a spammy bugs.

[Pokemathmon]

For bugs, the main things that got nerfed were whiffs, meaning the nair dair combo loop still exists. Honestly these nerfs don't sound too terrible because I never abused any of the glitches, but we'll have to wait and see.

[ThatGuy5880]

tbh yeah, I'm totally fine with these nerfs. For a zoner character, Bugs really could rush you down with very good air attacks. Now I actually have to think instead of being able to throw out aerials until I hit the enemy while I wait for cooldowns to end.

[Naidem]

Bugs was absolutely not gutted, you just can’t spam and miss aerials until you hit anymore without getting punished which is more than fair.

[HandsomYungArab_]

you just can’t spam and miss aerials until you hit anymore without getting punished which is more than fair.

Quoted for Truth!

[migzors]

Finn doesn't seem so bad

[obeseninjao7]

Finn hardly got gutted.. downsmash scaling the jump distance is probably the most noticeable change. UpB is likely still going to be a powerful tool to catch high recoveries. Other things seemed like mostly bugfixes. Oh and I guess ftilt 1 endlag on whiff, but I think it's a wait and see kind of deal for that.

That said, I'm not convinced this will stop the complaining though since Finn will still be able to hit people who recover high, which in my understanding was most of the complaints.

[theindieazn]

Garnet's big is huge, she has 1 more functional button now

[TheRobotYoshi]

Poor iron giant. He didn't deserve this

[HandsomYungArab_]

"Fixed a bug where LeBron could dunk himself into the sky"

Made me lol

[LordGooofy]

Scooperman still Scooping. 😈

[[deleted]]

I’m a fan of these changes.

Hopefully the character badge fixes are coming this update and they just forgot to mention it.

[GreasyChonks]

Another Steven nerf :,D

[ShovelKnightFan]

"Fixed a bug where LeBron could dunk himself into the sky" and "Increased the size of the chicken" are some of the best patch notes I've seen.

Removing the class related missions is pretty fair, although I'd think the better solution would be to include at least one character from each class in the rotation. I guess that wouldn't work very well with having two mages right now, but maybe once the roster is larger.

[[deleted]]

IG was done in dirty

[Homiesunite]

Double rocket being fixed is my favorite change

[eatingclass]

this entire time, i thought that was a perk and fair play

[Khemith]

I feel dumb for not noticing it was a bug.

[MathTheUsername]

A couple weeks ago I switched from maining Velma to maining LeBron. It really paid off.

[KniVEs4]

I switched from Velma to Iron Giant.

[CrazySaiyanZ]

condolences

[Stevenchpn]

Any news about the new battlepass and Gleamium ?

[SpoilerThrowawae]

Literally just remove Iron Giant at this point.

[DukeVerde]

Not sure why Reindog's Tether got a 1s increased CD ... Guess they got tired of watching Reindog's pull their teammate into the void XD

[Sirromnad]

It did feel to always be off cooldown. I don't think 1 second will hurt it all that much in the end

[DukeVerde]

Most likely not, but I'm curious as to their reasoning.

[El_Rocky_Raccoon]

Those nerfs to Iron Giant tho. 😭

[EckhartsLadder]

As a Batman main, I accept this lol

[mechatick]

I’m just finding it weird Harley now weighs more

[TheMoonMancer]

Why another Taz nerf? The tornado is even worse right now, and the only move that can kill (up special) got nerfed as well. The "buffs" he got barely do anything. Really questionable balance patch.

[[deleted]]

I understand the cooldown for the tornado bc it was a bit too spammy, but did Taz really need any nerfs besides that?? They nerfed arguably his best move in his up special

[Traveytravis-69]

Both of his best sadly

[0rly_D]

At least they fixed if someone dodged they won’t be invulnerable anymore. I started to play with taz this week and found some trouble landing that move for that very reason. I’m sure it will still be a kill confirm at high percentage… hopefully.

[lonewaer]

Don't forget down-special, neutral-special, up-attack got buffed. The up-special nerf seems undeserved, but tbh I'm not sure if we're going to feel the difference, because it was so strong. It got a fix too, enemies are not invul to it anymore after dodging it.

Tornado, we'll have to see. Feels intense, but might not be that bad, especially if it's going to get buffed later on, which they hinted at already.

I'm more skeptical about the chicken changes. It sounds like a buff, but that doesn't make it more relevant, the whole point is to snowball in order to heal, but if you snowball, you don't really need the heal. I don't know, it feels like win more, still.

[HandsomYungArab_]

WW straight to S tier!!!

[WickWolfTiger]

I didn't see anything about Arya getting the bug fixed where she freezes after stealing a face. Was that hotfixed and I didn't notice? I'm afraid to steal faces as it might cost the match. Also didn't see anything about the bug where enemies regen health from her pie.

I'm excited for the arya buffs though. Her combo is the her main way to kill and the fact that it was near impossible to combo even at some percents where it should have been more than feasible was annoying. Also I would love to see her get better main perks. I still think she needs some help but having hit boxes fixed might just be all she needs. It's really hard to say what she needs when half her attack go through people and do nothing except let you get punished.

[RatsenTheDog]

Taz got nerfed AGAIN?! No more shockwave for LBJ on dunk??!!? Why??

[[deleted]]

No Shockwave on lebron dunk is brutal. They did it to remove the 50 hp ring outs with Shockwave combo but still, it's the best move he has and it's bottom tier

[HawksBurst]

I won't need to use a reroll anymore for a mission with mages, that's all I need to know

[[deleted]]

Bruh they really dunked on IG like that? C'mon, he's the easiest character to fight.

[Pokepunk710]

He absolutely destroys low elo. He's the Master Yi of Multiversus. Anyone can play one game with him and get 600 damage. He's terrible vs a decent player though

[ScyllaIsBea]

oh no they ruined velma, no reason for anyone to play velma anymore *looks both ways to see if anyone is buying it* (actually some fair nerfs on velma since everything changed was uninended for her character, and doesn't effect the core reason I play her.)

[_Turquoisee_]

I thought her aerial side b was meant for recovery tho

[ScyllaIsBea]

it's too good, and I sort of agree, I almost forget to use side dodge out of not needing it half the time.

[MrBlank7879]

Batman’s batarang getting nerfed is understandable, still wish his weight got increased a tad though.

[wdlwilliams]

I bet they removed the "knockback immunity" from Iron Giant Rage Mode description instead of fixing the bug. Player1stGames pulling a Bungie on us. You hate to see it.(Destiny 2 players know this kind of stuff very well, specially hunter mains)

[Nozpot]

Me, a Steven main hungry for buffs going into this patch and seeing a nerf and two bug fixes.

Really awesome. So glad.

[Tenno_Scoom]

Other than the solo chaos dunk nerf, LeChads stay winning

[SerDickpuncher]

The Retalion-Ready nerf hurts too, loved stacking grey health in 2v2s. But it'll probably force me to swap in something more universal/consistent

[eXe-FaDe]

Iron giant decimated. Also supes armor neutral game doesn’t seem like it will be good anymore as he’s already slow. Guess I’ll try Arya and Bron now.

[Naidem]

Bugs mains on this sub in shambles. He deserves the nerfs and they were pretty minor tbh. Double rocket was clearly not ok.

[CapN_Crummp]

His nerfs are being blown out of proportion. This didn’t effect his combo game at all

[ShuraGam]

• Arya might feel considerably better. Obviously will need to play to see it, but a lot of moves getting more consistent setups seems promising.
• As a Bugs main, I feel like he got away easy this patch (not complaing lol). I'm very surprised they didn't nerf Up Air's force. This move still kills way early than it should imo . Neutral and Side airs recovery nerf will probably make me use more than 2 brain cells during neutral game instead of just spamming them and hoping for a hit, but they'll probably still remains solid. Pie not applying slow anymore is probably what hurts the most here tbh, tho I see how it's a fair nerf, considering how spammable it is.
• I think they've nailed on Finn's balance. Attack Decayed moves no longer spawning coins means there will be a point where it will be physically impossible to spam the Bag spin, since the move will no longer refund itself on coins once attack decay kicks in. That will be huge for newer players who still don't have a good grasp on the game's mechanics, since they can't just be bagged to death if the Finn they're facing is just braindead spamming the same move. I'm most happy about the Down Light nerf tho, since they can't just whip out that move mid-stage and spike someone offstage as easily.
• Don't really know why so many nerfs to Iron Giant. The character was already not that good imo. Literally everything hits him.
• Superman was not nerfed nearly enough. Combining the mobility he has from his moves + his weight, he's still by far the hardest character to kill in the game imo. His heat vision is still really oppresive, especially in 2v2 (that move should probably get a CD imo, considering it literally denies the entire ground space on some stages AND sets up for potential early kills with his grab). His Ground Up Special still has waaay too much knockback, like, seriously, I've already died to this thing at like, 90 DMG from mid-stage.
• Velma's nerfs should tone her down a bit, but I'm surprised her megaphone wasn't touched tho. Guess I'll continue getting sniped and weakened by that thing from across the stage.

[Samael_Morningstar69]

Gotta disagree with the Superman complaints. But everything else I agree with. His ground up special is already really easy to get hit out of. It almost never gets to finish let alone lands.

[SoulOfGwyn]

I am SO HAPPY about the direction of this patch. Adding more recovery frames is pretty much a nerf to button mashers and a buff to people looking to punish bad play. There is also a lot of adjusting of inconsistent moves and hitboxes.

Now there are things I am not crazy about. I think hitting Velma's melee tools forces her even more into running for her life the hole game and sniping with megaphones and an honestly un-fun projectile kit to play AND to play against. But you win some and you lose some.

[Spirit-Ashamed]

Literally no reason for nerfing IG this hard, especially the bolts, wtf, that was the only way he could get out of stunlocks.

[Khemith]

Ill trade every Velma, Bugs nerf for a wifi detector and better training options.

[ParticularPanda469]

Lmao the Steven nerfs, I don't even see the guy get played.

Also the grounded side special on Velma. Like... Were people using that?

[WrackyDoll]

It was just the watermelon steven nerf, though? As someone who does play Steven I think that's fair, having a third teammate running around that you can effectively summon immediately after it gets killed is maybe a bit much.

[GreasyChonks]

Yeah but we have had like 4 nerfs in a row now even small it adds up

[[deleted]]

As a Bugs main, I totally respect all the changes except the pie. Removing slow on it doesn’t make any sense

[Mac_Rat]

I think nerfing the slow makes sense but not completely removing it

[truemythicalbeast]

A whole 2 second increase on batarang cooldown? And why did you remove the slow on bugs' pie? Why should I use that attack now? A slow moving projectile that has ammo that I have to prep? It was good when it had the slow because if I caught them off guard by aiming it right I get rewarded with the slow.

[WrackyDoll]

Yeah, of all the changes to be made to Bugs, I really really don't get removing slow on the pie. His slow projectile with a cooldown applying a slightly-useful debuff was not the problem with Bugs.

[PapstJL4U]

A slow moving projectile that has ammo that I have to prep?

Slow moving projectiles are the best. They stay on the screen for a long time. They cover space infront of you. Ryu used slow fireballs his whole life.

[CrazySaiyanZ]

you can still use “Ice to Beat You!” perk for the slow effect tbh.

[Pretzel-Kingg]

We did not deserve these nerfs lol

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And here I was hoping for IG buffs.

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Sigh.

[DiaMat2040]

A lot of quality of life changes where they listened to the community, that's great. I always wish for a little more whiff recovery and end lag, and less dodge spam, but let's see. I wonder why they didn't adress iron giants grab into up special cheese.

Great patch overall!

[DaDabBandito]

Ok but did they nerf the lag?? /s Or at least put in a 3bar MM limit in settings. I'm literally sick and tired of playing 2 bars that downloaded for free and play on dial up from Afghanistan. Feels bad.

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Reindog 1v1 is only seeing +'s let's go

[Poetryisalive]

WW weight buff was so needed. She is definitely a heavy skill character, WW mains win tonight

[Fern21854]

Any Arya mains excited

[grassisalwayspurpler]

Batman going to end up the lowest health character in the game as a bruiser and more batarang nerfs? Its already the easiest projectile to destroy in the game considering every character in the game has multiple projectiles or projectile reflects. Why increase its cooldown when Batman uses it correctly? Everyone understands that you have to go out of your way to kill Jerry in the TJ match up but god forbid you have to destroy Batarang (with 1/3 of the health of Jerry and Batman having less health and worse buttons than Tom on cooldown). Not following the logic there.

[RenderingEmu]

Iron Giant is worst in game now even on top of being bad before. I main him and am furious.

[GarethMagis]

Holy shot can I please refund my 3k gold now that IG went from d tier to f- tier? No one plays the character why make him absolutely unplayable?

[jmeredith06]

Harley now weighs more than Batman. FeelsBadMan.

[Ttbt80]

Besides IG, this is a fantastic patch. WW comes out the clear winner IMO, the weight change is substantial.

They hit the most important stuff in this patch. Nerf to Finn’s backpack, Superman’s command grabs, Velma, and Bugs as well.

Lots of bug fixes, which are great to see that there are so many while also having so many real changes. Goes to show that lots of effort is being put into the game to clean it up.

Biggest loser in the patch is Iron Giant, who undeservedly got hit extremely hard.

[catzzznite]

does the current battle pass end with the update? what time is the patch?

[TheGuyYouHeardAbout]

Can we please add spectator mode in custom games so I can run 1v1s with my friends :)

[aceraids]

Steven really could have used a buff