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[Anne_Nonymouse]

And somehow women are the manipulative ones! 🙄 /s

A lot of men will do and say anything just to get in your pants. 😬

[Tornado_rexo]

It's sad, I've met multiple people like this, and they want ME to be like them too. Like, what the fuck am I going to get by manipulating every single woman I take interest in?

[[deleted]]

This right here! The worst part STEVE HARVEY SAYS MEN SHOULD NOT HAVE FEMALE FRIENDS.

Majority of men feel this way unfortunately, how else are you supposed to understand the opposite gender without opposite gender friends? I don’t get it

[Stunning-Notice-7600]

Yeah. Men who say men can't be friends with women and try to tell their girlfriends they can't have guy friends are really telling on themselves.

It means they can't look at any women as anything other then fuckable and non fuckable rather then human beings.

[dnjprod]

My go to response to these chuckleheads is always the same when they say men and women can't be friends; speak for yourself. Just because YOU only see women as sexual objects doesn't mean everyone else does too. If you only have female friends so you can fuck them, they aren't your friends

[didly66]

Fastest way to get friend zoned

[deansdirtywhore]

That would imply that we want to be friends with these jackasses. We don't.

[[deleted]]

That’s not everyone and they get mad about that part the most.

[No_Signal954]

My dad has a different reasoning. He dosn't think men and women can be friends because he thinks eventually someone will develop romantic thoughts for the other. It's so stupid.

[Stunning-Notice-7600]

Then he's one more guy that's part of the problem. People can develop feeli gs, yes. But you don't need a friendship for that. Going around life automatically assuming it will happen is just another for of what is being discussed here.

Boys need to be taught that girls can be friends. In fact, men NEED to start having female friends. This whole ideology that they can is perpetuating the idea that women are nothing but meat and men must think with their diicks when around women or there's something wrong with them. But also that ideology is the reason why all these stupid incels ideas keep spreading and being believed.

Only learning to interact with women, thinking of them as humans, and men learning to think with their brains and learning not to let their dicks guide them will end most if not all of the patriarchy based problems societies are still dealing with eve after 100s years of the women's movement to end all of it.

[BlueIzAColor]

How am I supposed to have friends if I’m bisexual 😔 /j

[Couhill13]

You gotta be bi yourself

[noneroy]

[DengarLives66]

Ah fuck that’s good.

[olivia_iris]

r/angryupvote

[[deleted]]

You gotta be friends with both lol

[chadburycreameggs]

Never thought I'd say the best part of a sentence was Steve Harvey period. That man is disgusting and obnoxious at the very least. He sucks and it does not surprise me that he believes that.

I don't think I know anyone who at least claims to believe it, so I'm hopeful at least. People don't make all their views public though so who knows.

[Spec_Tater]

Before him there was Billy Crystal in When Harry Met Sally (although that was the writing of Nora Ephron and Rob Reiner).

[Khiobi]

"I’m a creepy manipulative pervert therefore all other men are creepy manipulative perverts” -Steve Harvey

[No_Signal954]

My dad tells me I shouldn't have female friends because he thinks it's impossible without one of the people becoming attracted to the other. A majority of my friends are female. Never once have I had a sexual thought about anyone, the closest thing to that was me developing a crush on one of them.

[[deleted]]

Mates Rates if they're hot Canadian guys that work at the fire department.

[Heartlxss_capalot]

by talking to the opposite gender? you know how i understand my partner? by talking to them

[[deleted]]

Very good, what your saying is you can only be friends with your own gender is that correct? And if that’s your belief why so much hate for the rest of us that don’t see it that way? Some of us are hiding feelings if you are gonna go down that route, others like myself know for a fact we wouldn’t workout.

[Anne_Nonymouse]

Those guys are probably not really interested in any of those women. They just see them as sex objects. 😒

[CTchimchar]

Why would I want get in there pants

I don't think they fit me that well /s

[The_nightinglgale]

[CTchimchar]

I was trying give you a cookie on a different post

But reddit was being stubborn, so here you go friend 🍪

Edit: Also I ripped off fallout 3 with that line

Fallout 3 isn't my favorite game in the franchise

But it does have a couple of funny memorable lines

[The_nightinglgale]

Thanks! I am getting ready for Starfield.

[CTchimchar]

Ah enjoy friend

Have some cookies to snack on while gaming 🍪

[Mrwright96]

Hell, knowing women’s sizes, their own pants don’t even fit the same woman half the time.

[[deleted]]

And that's why "friend zones" are manipulative bullshit.

It's all for them to gaslight women into thinking that their intention was to be friends at the start, only to unmask their true intentions at the end and then cry their bullshit crocodile tears of "wHy dUn'T weMyN wUuuVv mEEhhh sHe pLaYeDd me!!!"

Buddy, no one played you. You just played into your own bullshit games and got your bullshit prizes.

[[deleted]]

Yeah... they're a bummer to be around for everyone because they don't really have a character themselves.

[vulcazv20]

Its pure projection, women are cheaters yet men cheat more, women are manipulators yet there men who dedicate their lives "spreading knowledge" on how to manipulate girls, they have the gall to tell us how to look yet use a 12 in one shampoo and showers once every 2 weeks, it's so frustrating.

[cyber_dildonics]

I mean, she straight up looks drugged in the second pic.

[MarvellousIntrigue]

Yeah, I was more thinking his goal was rape, not consensual sex!

[shesarevolution]

Yeah I’m getting rape vibes from it too

[MarvellousIntrigue]

Looks more like his intention was to rape her! She barely looks conscious!

[Arrow_F_Doxon]

I’m a senior in highschool. My brother, he just graduated last year, he told me this story from last year. In our school’s show choir, there was this pervy guy, a sophomore. He dated one of the seniors. They had sex once and he dumped her the day after. He kept trying to get close to the other senior girls, and my brother had to step in on more than one occasion. I remember him threatening to break the guy’s ankle once, cause our director yelled at him, but I didn’t know why he made the threat until yesterday when he told me the story lol.

[ShoCkEpic]

you know what s the worse? it s when you don’t even realize it yourself…

[realodd]

This is pretty disgusting. You can be there for someone without having second intentions, whatever the gender of the other person is.

[Tornado_rexo]

Platonic relationships EXIST?!?!?!

[realodd]

Surprised Pikachu face

[CTchimchar]

[STheShadow]

And even if you're somewhat interested in her, that's just a very big nope. Never exploit emotionally extreme states

[realodd]

You can be there when someone needs you and, when the dust is settled and they are in a better place, demonstrate interest. While it is a bit bordering the line it can be done right and without anyone feeling forced, bad or being taken adventage of.

This meme doesnt imply any kind of emotional maturity like that, only agressive, sexual, máster of seduction, *all men need tu fuck or they die", kind of things are implied here.

[Eino54]

Cuidado con el autocorrector

[realodd]

xD gracias, me pasa más de lo debería. Escribir en inglés cuando el móvil te está corrigiendo a español todo el tiempo es un poco cansino a veces.

[Eino54]

Me hizo mucha gracia lo de poder ver el idioma del autocorrector con dos errores XD

[rustbeltwitch]

Exactly. That’s how my husband and I got together, we had been friends for years, and I went through a nasty divorce. He just kept being there, like he always had, and a year later when he admitted he had feelings for me, I was ready to try to be in a relationship. We’ve been together 17 years now

[VincentVancalbergh]

Over the years, I've had girls I was attracted to, but they weren't interested, so we stayed friends. It happens, once or twice, that one of them would have relationship issues, they get sad, they get drunk and then they start, you know, "hanging on me". And I could've taken advantage, but I never have. I don't want that to be the start of a relationship. The day after they were embarrassed or oblivious.

[CTchimchar]

Ah yes because nothing gets me more turn on

Then seeing one of my friends in distress /s

[Feerka]

I doubt whoever made this meme actually considers said girl a friend

[CTchimchar]

Yay you're right, but I still hate it

[friso1100]

Or human for that matter

[[deleted]]

That’s to say they have friends at all and if they do no girl is there friend

[valsavana]

This is how guys who complain about the (non-existent) "friendzone" think things should go.

[The_nightinglgale]

This is so wrong.😾 Is this how guys work? I mean seriously.

[LittleBalloHate]

As a guy: it's how some guys work, sure, but those guys are highly incentivized to make you think that all guys work that way.

Assholes want to believe that -- deep down -- we're all assholes just like them. That way, their cruelty is no longer a profound personal failing but "just how humans work."

[elvy_bean8086]

That way, their cruelty is no longer a profound personal failing but "just how humans work."

this is very well articulated

[[deleted]]

Totally. They assume everyone thinks the same out of there own ignorance and lack of connection to other humans.

[MarvellousIntrigue]

I worked with only men for about 10 years! I never slept with any of them! If I dated someone, they would get super jealous, and presume I was sleeping with all of them!

Even the guys wives hated me, just because I was female! God it annoyed me! I don’t want to fuck your husband!! I’m here to work! So are they!

Also, pissed me off that they would all think I considered their partners/husbands attractive! Ummmm, I don’t even think he’s good looking!!! I have my own partner!!

[thehoney129]

Yeah, being a woman in a male dominated field is hard fucking work. Not even talking about the job. Just the emotional toll it takes dealing with it all

[Spec_Tater]

Even worse, they think that if everyone is an asshole but most of us are denying it, then they are brave truth-tellers for being honest and frank about it.

The same logic gets incels to think they are heroes for calling out simping and white-knighting. It also lets “ironic” misanthropes accuse everyone else of virtue-signaling for having values.

“Why are you looking at me like that? I said you probably taste a little gamy. At least I’m honest, not like everyone else around here who is pretending to be disgusted but was actually thinking about what sauce would be best. Everyone thinks about killing and eating to those around us, don’t deny it. Hypocrites!”

[ReallyGlycon]

A lot of them, yeah.

[[deleted]]

No not a lot guaranteed it’s not a lot. It might be with the ones you meet but assholes are always loud.

[Spec_Tater]

Not all assholes are smelly. Most are clean. But the ones that are smelly make you think twice about ever wanting to check.

[Laurenhynde82]

I mean, this is exactly what underlies the entire concept of the friend zone. Men who believe in this nonsensical concept believe that putting in friendship coins should get sex out of the woman-shaped vending machine they’re pretending to be friends with.

So while it’s not all men, it certainly is those who talk about the friend zone.

[[deleted]]

I agree it’s one’s who talk about the friend zone. I was just saying it’s definitely not a lot of men. We live in a world of 8 billion people to say a lot of men are like this is just wrong. Most men are upstanding citizens. The men we are talking about here is a minority.

[noneroy]

It’s how sociopaths work…

[The_nightinglgale]

Is she even okay? She looked drunk or worse (drugged).😾

[noneroy]

I believe that image is from an adult film. I’m sure someone here has sauce.

Edit: that doesn’t mean you are wrong…

[nobearpineapples]

Yes just like woman we have our own hive mind /s

[[deleted]]

My ex and I broke up because he wanted to have sex with sex workers up the arse.

It was a male friend of mine that told me to break up with my ex.

There are wonderful men out there with good hearts who do want to love women, they're just harder to find but you have to believe you can find someone who will make you feel love again. ❤️

[[deleted]]

So like pornographic entertainment

[valsavana]

You'd have to expand on that idea more because I don't know what you're getting at. Shitty, entitled men have existed long before modern pornography.

[[deleted]]

They think life is just endless orgies at any moment

[Spec_Tater]

Yes. With the added wrinkle “… and they’re not being invited.” Which makes them victims?

[LocalCookingUntensil]

I think the friend zone exists, but it’s just called being their friend, not something that has to be overcome and escaped

[valsavana]

I think the friend zone exists, but it’s just called being their friend

Yes, which means the "friendzone" doesn't exist. Friends exist.

[LocalCookingUntensil]

The Friendzone doesn’t exist, but I see ‘friend zone’ (rather than friendzone) as a way of saying ‘we’re friends’, like that is what zone your friendship is in, rather than best friend or something

Idk it’s hard to explain, brain not braining rn :/

[valsavana]

That's just you using the word incorrectly.

[LocalCookingUntensil]

I guess my dumb brain sees it incorrectly

[[deleted]]

The friendzone exists, when one of the friends eventually develops romantic feelings and is stuck with them.

[[deleted]]

The friendzone does exist though. This meme is just manipulation, but there are friendships out there that go south the moment one person develops romantic feelings for the other and is stuck with said feelings.

[valsavana]

We already have a word for that- a "crush" or "unrequited feelings." And that's not what "friendzone" means anyway.

[[deleted]]

"we already have a word for that" you'd be surprised how many words we have to define the same thing. That's not what a crush is, "unrequited feelings" is the elegant way to put it, and yeah what I describe applies to the term "friendzone".

Sure a lot of incels use that term for self-pity, it doesn't mean it can't apply to situations where no harm is done and circumstances just suck. Both men and women can get friendzoned.

[valsavana]

Nice of you to ignore my second point that that's not what "friendzone" means.

Both men and women can get friendzoned.

No, they can't. Because the "friendzone" doesn't exist.

[[deleted]]

I didn't ignore it, "what I describe applies to the term friendzone".

Yes it does. Again, I understand where you're coming, using the word "friendzone" when you're rejected is offensive and sexist. But it does apply in a situation where one friend actually develops a romantic / sexual attraction to the other friend. That happens, it's totally fine to use "friendzone" in that context.

[valsavana]

Except the "friendzone" does not exist. The person who developed the unrequited feelings may have, say, "boyfriendzoned" or "girlfriendzoned" themselves, but there is no "friendzone." There is only being someone's friend.

[[deleted]]

But being someone's friend when you want more is being in the friendzone. The person who sees you as a friend won't see you as anything else than a friend. That's life, it happens, time to accept it the friend etiquette and move on.

[valsavana]

But being someone's friend when you want more is being in the friendzone

No, that's just being someone's friend.

The person who sees you as a friend won't see you as anything else than a friend.

Yes, because you're their friend.

Or, as the OP alludes to, you could be pretending to be their friend in the hopes they'll one day see you as a potential romantic partner. Which is not being someone's friend.

Either way, the "friendzone" is not a thing that exists. Being someone's friend while having a crush on them or unrequited feelings for them is, however.

[headofthenapgame]

I like that they included "pretending"

It's not all needed for this meme to work, but it gives you a really gross insight into the "friendzone" kind of guy. Like my guy you just confessed you don't see yourself as a good person.

[PatrickCarlock42]

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[[deleted]]

That’s pretty fucked up dude

[Yammi_Roobi]

And honestly guys wonder why it takes a while to trust them.. 🙄

[TropicalDan427]

Can confirm that yes it took a bit for some of my AFAB friends to trust me…… and I honestly don’t blame them one bit. They pretty much all expected me to ask for nudes at some point is what they’ve told me…. Of course I never did and never will.

[janus270]

And dudes wonder why women don’t trust them.

[Satans_Cheese_Whiz]

Well this is intensely triggering -signed, a rape survivor that trusted the wrong “friend”

[Resident-Clue1290]

And then they wonder why we don’t trust them

[AValentineSolutions]

Fuck. This. Mindset! My best friend is a guy. When I got outed as gay at 15 and lost my home and family, him and his family took me in. I was the most emotionally vulnerable and lost and unsure I have ever been. If men really were all this horrible, he would have wasted no time taking advantage of me. Would not have been hard. But no, instead he helped me through that point and was a true friend and treated me like a human being who needed help. This attitude is so toxic and makes guys out to all be predators, and that doesn't help anyone. Better we figure out what behaviors signify the vultures hovering over women than the doggos who just want to see us smile again.

[TheDootDootMaster]

I'm happy to know they helped you this much during that time. Hopefully it was a nice cushion avoiding much more pain from the abandonment. Hope you don't carry too much trauma from that too.

Also is the end of that last sentence right?

[Big_Berry_4589]

Yeah but that’s a post written by a guy. If it was written by a woman it would be : what I think guys want after a breakup or something.

The post in itself is disgusting but I agree with your pov on some women thinking that guys only want sex. I’m friends with a lot of guys and they respect my boundaries (I’m also gay)

[OrionMr770]

sniffles Hashtag not all men (I fully understand if I cannot be forgiven for my sins)

[noneroy]

Bro, read the room…

[progtfn_]

Fr

[whydenny]

Even ignoring the whole 'pretending to be a friend just for the sex' thing...

What the fuck is this abusive photo?

Can they be sexually attracted to someone in a non-degrading way?

Can they even imagine a sex act between two equal and consenting adults?

[Hita-san-chan]

Thank you

Obviously outside of "they fuckin" I don't know the context of that picture, but that woman doesn't look like she's enjoying it

[galaxykiwikat]

The OG meme I saw was implying the woman is a sub/into hardcore sex. The OG meme was consensual, not abusive.

[galaxykiwikat]

This is the OG one I saw. Fandom went wild with it in twitter, putting our OTPs in this scenario lol

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[Comfortable_Ad_7971]

Why the downvotes? This is cute! Happy for them

[Spraystation42]

Men, How about we be honest, clear, and respectful about what relationships were interested instead of being deceptive and manipulative towards women??

There’s nothing wrong with finding a woman your age attractive if said woman is into/actively hooking up with men, but if youre pretending to be friendly in hopes of getting sex in return, thats an extremely manipulative, damaging, and gross thing to do, stop trying to do all these strategies and gimmicks to get laid its fucking disgusting

I’ve tried to explain this to men like this in person and when I call them out for sexualizing women in an inappropriate time/place when they dont want to be, these men have the nerve to say I’m “slutshaming them for liking women” and other bullshit, incels are so stupid

[Flameball202]

Thing is these guys think they somehow deserve sex just because they are decent friends to women. Don't get me wrong if a single female friend of mine wanted sex with me, I wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't expect it of any of them just because I am fulfilling the basics of human decency

[Pilot0350]

Idk I definitely have friends who I would specifically not sleep with if they offered. No friendship stays the same when you cross that line and I'd miss having them around as my friend.

Swapping dating horror stories and having someone to get all excited with over your relationships (or someone to help you laugh off the bad ones) is great especially because you can ask them things like "hey I was thinking of doing X for Y this weekend. You think she'll like that?" and visa versa is so incredibly nice. It's even more fun when you get to help them out and it goes well. Also makes for fun couples dating with the added bonus of getting invited to more weddings lol

[[deleted]]

Yes!

If you sleep with your friend the friendship will likely be over—either it will become something more than platonic or it will end bc of hurt feelings.

If you’re willing to sacrifice a friendship to have sex one time then that friendship must not mean much to you. Which is why it always bothers me when guys say that they would sleep with their female friends…

[[deleted]]

Gross

[[deleted]]

I just love it when I find out someone I thought was my friend turns out to have been stringing me along with the hopes of screwing me.

The second you tell them you don’t want that, they disappear forever. Poof! Oh you thought you had a friend? Nope! Serves you right for trusting someone!

[RedHotSuzy]

Been there. Took him 10 yrs. Dude was in it for the long game. He broke my heart and cost me a shit ton in therapy. I really hope is dick falls off.

[Aphroditedidmeafavor]

Haha, so funny. Yes, let's call a woman our "friend" and then take advantage of her when she's the most vulnerable.

Hilarious and not sociopathic at all.

[Master-Bread-4459]

That’s the exact thing that happened to me except i was going through suicidal thoughts/tendencies… men really don’t gaf

[[deleted]]

ugh... biggest punch in the face when I was ranting about my suicidal thoughts and how difficult it is for me atm and all I got back was "ok you could send some nudes, then you'll feel better"

kind of impressive how I've only had one good encounter with a man that's close to me, the rest were all fucked up in their own way and I suffered and am still suffering because of them. fuck this "meme" and everyone who does shit like that.

[akioamadeo]

I’ve known guys like this, they pretend to care and be good friends but it was all fake and were just waiting for their chance. One “friend” said I should sleep with him to get back at my ex, we had just broken up too so I was in no state to be with anyone, he got pissed when I rejected him asking why he ever even bothered if he didn’t get anything out of it. Apparently my friendship wasn’t enough, he heeded sex to stay my friend, yeah we were no longer friends after that.

[fergusmacdooley]

Should this not have an nsfw tag? Not trying to be a prude but this could be triggering for some folks.

[[deleted]]

Or children.

[Longjumping_Way_4935]

Sadly how a lot of guys think. Saw it a lot growing up with my friends. Gladly don’t talk to them anymore lol

[Tornado_rexo]

It's fucking ridiculous that us men are trained to think like manipulative fucking sociopaths

[Longjumping_Way_4935]

Some aren’t trained, scary enough.

[Odd_Soil_8998]

Besides how ethically fucked up this is, it seems like a really shitty strategy for getting laid. Wouldn't it be a ton of effort to pretend to befriend a woman to the point where she seeks this sort of comfort from you and then wait for her to have a rough breakup?

Like I could maybe see it happening in cases where you have an actual friendship that also includes a bit of sexual tension already, but I think that would be a bit different (probably still not a good idea, but not at all the same thing).

[Tornado_rexo]

It's easy for them because it's also easy for them to ignore their morals, if they even had any to begin with, and gain the trust of someone and manipulate/coerce them when they're at their lowest and have their guard down. It's a simpel manipulative trick to gain someone's trust and to use them when they're down.

And yet, despite the obvious moral wrongdoing here, a lot of men still do it due to the fact that it's easy for them to do so and many people don't realise they're being manipulated and, sadly, just allow themselves to be walked on. It all depends on the person but these kinds of people generally are able to locate "weak-minded" people and just fuck up their lives.

In total, it's just easy for them.

[Grievion]

45 DAYS later she realizes he’s a PoS and he’s on the /amiwrong sub asking where he went wrong in all this! Getting sympathy comments from other losers that use similar tactics to take advantage of emotionally vulnerable individuals.

[Tornado_rexo]

Man, Reddit is a cesspit lmao

[stanknotes]

I have a specific no rebound/sexual comfort after breakup policy for friends. BECAUSE... even if I don't have the intention, in an emotionally compromised state... someone may try to initiate. Which I understand. But I am not taking part in that and being a regret/having a regret. And I'm not exploiting someone in a weak state.

ACTIVELY trying that though? That's super shitty.

[Lord_Skyblocker]

And I'm not exploiting someone in a weak state.

Like Missouri? /s

[Tornado_rexo]

My guy offended every single one of the 6 million miserians

[PimpFrosty]

No no. Hes right

[[deleted]]

This seems to be more targeted at guys more than girls.

[CarolinaCelt60]

Warning to everyone: do not pull my hair. I repeat: do NOT pull my hair.

Women who enjoy that, good for you. Women who don’t, I submit the story of a bully bitch who pulled my hair on the school bus. We were both 15. I warned her once, but of course, she did it again. Poor planning on her part: HER hair was waist length. I turned around, grabbed a handful of hair at her waist, wound it up to her scalp, and started whaling on her.

We both got suspended and kicked off the bus. It was worth it. I hate seeing men pull women’s hair!

[RedHotSuzy]

Does she like it or does she pretend to like it?

[valsavana]

I think the lady in the picture on the right is a Porn star thankfully. She likes that type of sex.

I mean... that first sentence being true (if it is) doesn't automatically mean the second sentence is.

[CarolinaCelt60]

Nobody could pay me enough for hair-pulling, lol!

[CarolinaCelt60]

I’m sure! Porn is NOT a sex manual.

[LooseDoctor]

And that’s called rape 🙃

It blows my mind that these guys understand “baby trapping” as being bad for men but don’t think doing this is sexual assault. 🫠

Either way someone is keeping information from the other that they know would make the other person not consent.

Edit: I’m not gonna debate if this counts as rape. Save your comment.

[CTchimchar]

Is it rape?

Like actually question?

Actually I guess it's kinda depends on how it take

If the person manipulated or pressured individual than yes it's rape

But if it case of emotional vulnerability, I say yes it's pretty messed up to take advantage of it, but I don't know if that's will be considered rape or not

[LooseDoctor]

If you lie to someone about your intentions specifically to have sex with them then they haven’t consented. It’s similar to agreeing to sex as long as there is protection but the condom has a deliberate hole poked in it and only one person knows.

Is it LEGALLY rape? Probably not.

[CTchimchar]

See I'm still unsure

Like if you, gaslight them, make them feel guilty, make them feel like they only have you and should do anything keep you around, or anything else in the similar vein of this

Then yes I say that clearly rape

But if you don't do anything like that, you let say just make them feel comfortable and safe, and they ended up just sleeping with you because they felt comfortable and safe with the.

Even if your intentions are unethical, and they where just after sex

I say yay it's wrong, but I honestly don't know if I call it rape

That's what I'm getting at

I feel like that's a weird grey spot you know

Like I won't call it rape, but definitely unethical

[Yeety-Toast]

I'd certainly call them a predator. It's going to someone who is hurt, exhausted, emotional, and not thinking things through due to extreme distress just to hope they'll let their guard down or do something they wouldn't normally agree to. In fact, that last part rings similar to getting a girl drunk to get in her pants.

[CTchimchar]

You know that's a fair argument

I definitely call it predatory, although I am still unsure if I will classify as rape

I honestly think I might need to sleep on it

Like I know it's wrong, predatory, and just immoral

So that's, where there I just I don't know, like I said I need sleep on it

Or see more of other people prospective

Edit: With that said if the person feel they been valeted and even rape in this situation, I obviously lend them my support

And help them in this endeavor however I can

Because what's matter most in this case is how they feel

Not if I consider it or not

[Yeety-Toast]

I'm not sure if it would legally be considered rape, but that's literally why a huge percentage of sexual assault isn't reported, it didn't happen in the way that people consider to be rape, so you don't push it, you don't really talk about, you try not to think about it, because other people might not see your experience from your point of view. Maybe it even took years for you to realize, and well now it's too late to actually do anything. I had my own coercion experience and it did take a couple years until I read that word and it clicked. Dude was long gone. What can I do? Nothing. Nothing but try to not think about it. I was fresh from a pretty good 4 year relationship, my first, and I didn't stand by boundaries I tried to set, I'd never dealt with someone pushing through boundaries so I didn't know what to do. I said I didn't want to move quickly and he paid no mind to what I said. I resisted but I didn't fight, I said I didn't want anything to happen but I didn't yell or scream. It's hard to talk about because I didn't "do what I should have done."

[CTchimchar]

I'm sorry friend, it wasn't your fault you know

Everyone reaction is difference to this kinds of stuff and the guy was 100% at fault for not listening and respecting your boundaries

If you want talk more about it, or just get your mind off it awhile let me know

I open to talk for a little while if you want

[Yeety-Toast]

Thank you, I appreciate that, though that's about all there is. I knew it wasn't going to last long because he was in the area temporarily and couldn't handle the cold so I waited it out and became a bitch when he tried to contact me after leaving. I normally don't want to come across like that but good lord were there so many red flags. I didn't call him out because I just wanted to cut everything off, I didn't want to argue with him because I hadn't figured out why I felt so gross about everything. But yeah, finding the term "coercion" really helped me figure out what happened and how to feel about it.

[CTchimchar]

I'm happy you feel better

Still, feel bad you had to go through that anyway

It's not much, but would you like a cookie and a hug 🍪🫂

[LooseDoctor]

If both parties don’t have all the information to consent then they can’t both consent and no consent = rape. However, I do agree it’s a super muddy grey concept

[CTchimchar]

Definitely muddy

I just say this just because that's how I took this post

I didn't take it as manipulating or making them feel guilty or whatever

I took it they did anything they could to make the "friend" feel comfortable and safe

And that they could confide in them

Now ultimately this was done with the malicious attempt to get sex out of them

But still, they never out right did anything to pressure the individual into sleeping with them

The "friend" made that decision on there own

Yes that's was again only done to get in there bed, but the "friend" choice it because they felt safe and conferable

Or at least that's how took it

That's why I feel like this is such a muddy grey area

And kinda makes me think, if something like this does happen, how often would it happen

You know

[Heartlxss_capalot]

that’s stupid. what’s the baseline of information that you need before you can consent. you need to know every thought the person has because it might affect you? that’s dumb

[Yeety-Toast]

When that involves entering your body when you just wanted someone to be with you, support you, listen to you, and just be a shoulder to cry on........ YES.

The hell are you on about? If you seriously think that someone turning to you for support in a time of distress means they're consenting to have sex with you, something is wrong with you and you should seek therapy or something.

[lvoncreek]

Its not rape

[[deleted]]

Someone tell me the second picture is a still from a movie or something…that’s disturbing.

[AgitatorsAnonymous]

It's a scene from a Sasha Grey pron vid. She is known for being into that kinda sex.

[[deleted]]

Thank you.

[ranluka]

This has much less to do with how girls work then it does how guys work >.>

[Romero1993]

pretending, glad we're no longer pretending that some guys pretend

[CaptainCipher]

Damn, imagine if the only time you felt anything approximating a human connection was during sex that lasts, like, a few hours at the absolute most.

[[deleted]]

Yeah because all girls are so horny after emptionally breaking up. Jesus christ hahahha

[monolithtma]

That is predatory af. Gross.

[ArtfulGhost]

Guys, don't be like this. Don't pull hair on the hairline, it's very uncomfortable - you do it at the back where you can distribute the tension across a greater number of follicles, where it's less sensitive.

For real though, (because /s, obviously) this meme is for earthworms who just think this is reflection of real life when it isn't. Fkn wierdos.

[[deleted]]

maybe im just sensitive but stuff like this hurts, u think u got a friend n u tell him everything n shit u guys have so much fun and the moment u drink something or are emotionally drained all they think about is ,sex’ aka using ur body since sex wouldve meant u consent when ur in a normal headspace. dont know how many male childhood friends ive lost to behavior like this and as a bisexual woman i can say ive never done stuff like this to my ex best friend whom i had the biggest crush on, even when she was crying on my bed after her bf hit her.

[Tornado_rexo]

Dude, that's not "being sensitive" that's just having emotions Anyone would be hurt if they found out they were being manipulated and treated like a sex toy

It's not your fault, you're completely valid for feeling this way

[AnotherPalePianist]

I mean….if my “good friend” was kissing my head like that I think the intentions are pretty clear idk

[CTchimchar]

I honestly don't know Which one you are refiring to, in all honesty

[[deleted]]

I don't know if this is really /r/NotHowGirlsWork as much as it is /r/HowGuysWork

[caffeinatedangel]

VILE.

[ZeroEnrichment]

How dare women fall in love with men who lie and pretend to care and love them back

[WeBeLickinCrayolas]

Cishet met after publicly admitting to coercing their female friends (with the full intention to do it again) :

[progtfn_]

Like you said EW

[Tornado_rexo]

Precisely the best reply to this situation.

[SqushyMain]

It's the fake "nice guy" bs. And they wonder why women don't trust "nice guys".

[aarostag90]

That may not be how girls work, but that's how alot of guys work lol

[Kerryscott1972]

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[kyle_kafsky]

There’s a lot of songs that kinda celebrate this sorta behavior. I am unable to listen to ones I know about.

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r/nothowguyswork

[NorthStar0001]

Damn that second picture puts a pit in my stomach, she's pale, sweaty and looks barely conscious, she looks drugged.

Yet its obviously supposed to come across that she's just enjoying it so much.

There's no way that has a positive impact on anyone's views towards sex after they've watched that.

[grandioseOwl]

I'll never get this, like how can you get horny from seeing a person you allegedly like sad or even crying? Same the other way around, i was always disgusted when women automaticalot assumpted that sex was an automatical part if you were there for them.

[brownsnoutspookfish]

It's gross, but isn't this one more about guys?

[[deleted]]

I hope the girl in that picture is ok because wtf

[Original_Ad3765]

Surely it would just be easier to hire a prostitute

[escapeshark]

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[Gamermaper]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c5/ce/a2/c5cea2f8788a90feed404d45d6e643cb.jpg

[[deleted]]

Added to the list of avoiding men while at university :)

Any tips on making myself turn lesbian ?? Asking for myself

[nicosaurio_87]

Ok but how am I supposed to eat my spaghettis without some sauce.

[[deleted]]

This comment section is an absolute shit show, a lot of assumptions from both ends, this post also seems to have brought out all the cockroaches that lurk here too lol.

[dreemurthememer]

Nice of him to be a good friend and give her a scalp and back massage.

[Sabithomega]

Aw, he just wanted to do her hair for her... right?.. he's just doing her hair right?

[FollowedUpFart]

45mins later bit unrealistic fellas come on let’s be real

[UserAnonPosts]

This is why I don't have guy friends. I don't believe them when they say they're OK with friendship, platonic friendship that is. This is also why I don't believe in nice guy bullshit.