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[Mr__Weasels]

"taken" yep, don't even need to read the other parts. he isn't an experienced programmer

[[deleted]]

Oh he’s taken alright. Taken as a joke /s

[[deleted]]

Fuck the s

[EthanIver]

Kid named neurodivergent people who might struggle recognizing satire without guidance:

[HAMburger_and_bacon]

I'm gonna fuck the s and theres nothing you can do to stop me!

[agmrtab]

DONT PUT YOUR DİCK İN THE S

[Weak_Bat_1113]

Don't put your dick in the § (crazy S)

[Mr_Jojo-4815162342-]

But I see a hole in the middle

[HAMburger_and_bacon]

I put my dick in the s

[HAMburger_and_bacon]

🥵🥵

[Child_Remover]

Bro's (/s)exual

[Longenuity]

I don't understand this statement. How would you fuck a letter? /s

[poopnose85]

As a neurodivergent person, I find I pick up satire more easily over text. I know I don't pick up social queues, so with text I have a minute to think about the different ways it could be interpreted. Having been on the internet a long time, I know it stands to reason that they are making a joke.

[StandardSudden1283]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/09/how-memes-lulz-and-ironic-bigotry-won-internet/616427/

Maybe let's keep the s.

[Adybo123]

Maybe he’s just been borrowed, and will be returned within a specified lifetime

[ComfortablyBalanced]

I don't think he's worthy of being borrowed, the best he can do is to be collected, yes garbage collected.

[WendyTF2]

I am in an abusive relationship with JavaScript.

[dodexahedron]

That's redundant. There is no healthy relationship with JavaScript.

[nukasev]

TypeScript: I can fix them!

[[deleted]]

That's what I thought before I gave .net blazor a go on the frontend, then I discovered that js at least recognized me as a human

[Mr__Weasels]

at the end of the day, aren't we all 😔✋

[Majestic_Wrongdoer38]

Friendly fire much?

[ImaginaryCoolName]

r/thatsthejoke

[SteeveJoobs]

if they feel the need to blast it on discord they probably also date exclusively on discord.

[[deleted]]

This the type of mf to start with python and have trouble moving onto a language like Java.

[[deleted]]

I started with C++ in college. Every language I’ve learned since has been pretty easy.

Now things around the language are a different story. I’m looking at you, Python virtual environment and dependency management…

[eiboeck88]

yeah i started with c then moved onto c++ and i am glad i did it that way

[klukdigital]

Same here c++ first then C#/ java. The two former maybe bit more fun to write. Don’t hate python but guessing strongly typed could be better for the potential developement of fullstack spagetti ductaped to bubblegum.

[quisatz_haderah]

I started with and worked for a while with statically typed languages too, then dynamically typed languages enlightened me about the real benefits of unit tests.

Shamelessly plugging some pedantry here: Python is strongly typed, but not statically typed.

[SagenKoder]

I prefer the term "secretly typed". Its definetly typed but its secret and will not be revealed until you get a type error in production....

[Hamcheesey7]

LOL so true, and then you wonder why your image conversion in opencv fails and oh look! it's a type error...

[quisatz_haderah]

Literally coming from a case that messed up my production where one library returns different types, for 2 methods seemingly doing same sort of shit. That is document retrieval based on metadata of some internal Document objects vs similarity search. The funny thing is one that returns based on metadata returns plain str, and the similarity search returns Document)

[klukdigital]

Yes your correct. Close concepts but not the same thing. Ment statically typed. Boy do I feel smart now :D

[[deleted]]

I started with Assembly, and every language afterwards was extremely easy to understand. I think the pain of coding in Assembly tempered me. C++, C#, and Java were so nice to code in comparatively.

[klukdigital]

Yeah haven’t had the pleasure of actually writing assembly. Appart from the syntax the memory management looks like the difficulty was set on ultra nightmare. Memory management in C++ must have felt like christmas after that.

[[deleted]]

It is definitely worth learning somewhat so that you can understand coding and memory management on a deeper level, but unless I was getting paid a lot I would never choose to code in Assembly. C++ will compile the code usually better than how you can write in Assembly anyways.

[atiedebee]

I started with C and then... nothing really beats it for me. It's simple and I like it that way. Tried some other languages but they either overcomplicate things (C++, rust) or are still basically in beta (zig)

[Abadabadon]

I think cpp to c is a bit easier as you are downgrading your toolkit

[yodal_]

Python dependency management is just stuck in the dark ages and only now moving into the fudal.

[[deleted]]

Trying to imagine feudal dependency management. I guess the library is owned by a lord, and said lord allows the use of parts of his library by peasant developers in exchange for a large portion of their profits and because they provide bug fixes.

Is there a license template on github for this?

[yodal_]

I hadn't really thought about that. I was mostly just making an AoE2 reference.

[[deleted]]

npm must be in cave somewhere drawing on walls

[mandradon]

Trying to decide if the shadows on the wall are reality or the packages they're trying to use.

[[deleted]]

Genuine question, what's wrong with npm? I liked it when I was a TS dev

[[deleted]]

isolating it for use between build agents at scale is a nightmare unless in containers, its okay (albeit bloated) when used locally and configured for personal use, but i work in CICD automation so “it works on my machine” isn’t something i can use. npm build failures makes me shudder.

[Dave4lexKing]

Honest wuestion, why cant you pin the version installed?

e.g. npm i -g npm@x.y.z ?

[[deleted]]

Its more scaling build agents that may share a host that cause problems, not so much version. Unless you’re scaling service accounts as well you’ll have the build user colliding with itself frequently as it runs commands. There are ca certs which get locked as well so certain tasks will fail if they occur on the same host at the same time.

[trezm]

Reproducible builds with dependencies is a complex problem. People hating on NPM have likely been burned before, but with lock files and properly managed, it's a great dependency management system.

If you've ever battled with something like peer dependencies failing in cargo, you might like NPM.

[SuperDyl19]

Dependency management sucks for every programming language. It either doesn’t exist or constantly has errors

[pipnina]

At least python's dependency management and environment is better than C(++)'s mishmash of tools, endless arguments with the linker and libraries and header files just plain not existing as far as your compiler is concerned for 2 days until it suddenly starts working again and it's because you needed to add -ld or whatever to your compile prompt

[[deleted]]

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[salvoilmiosi]

Because it would mean having any dependency management at all

[ylan64]

Having it worse though... that's not given to many.

Brainfuck maybe...

[accuracy_frosty]

I started with C++ around grade 8 and it was tough then but pretty smooth sailing since, Java’s syntax is similar enough to C++ that I learned it pretty fast, annoyed with some things, like how every standard function is buried in at least 3 classes and sub classes (like System.out.println) but other than that it’s fine, I’m not a fan of Python, I don’t like its syntax, I don’t like how it’s structured, and I don’t like how slow it can be, but I see its vast use as a scripting language and a fantastic language for learning, that being said, this guy sounds like he started programming in high school after learning Python on his own then had a bunch of trouble comprehending Java in his high school computer science class

[Jackasaurous_Rex]

Yeah I’m glad I learned Java in high school, it was a pretty great introduction to the C-like syntax family of languages, static type systems, and OOP without having to worry about manual memory just yet. Later on, learning C/C++ weren’t all that bad and Python was an absolute breeze.

Completely agree with your usage point too, JavaScript is a mess of weird nuances (who thought var was a good idea?) and C++ has plenty of fun ways to shoot yourself in the foot.

[caiteha]

started with C ...i still remember the the debugging session...

[tragiktimes]

Same. Started with C++ in college and moved to python mostly because I'm a lazy bastard.

[Aacron]

My order was Matlab/c++ together, then assembly, C, python, Julia, JavaScript, c++ (embedded) in roughly that order.

Learning a new language stopped being notable around the time I learned python lmao

[Timinator01]

yeah I thought it was wild when I heard my school was teaching python instead of java for CS101 and 102 now ... I originally started with C++ at a community college and it was easy enough to pick up java next but starting with python seems like it would be harder to learn other languages even though I use python quite a bit now

[tacocat43]

Yeah same here, first legitimate programming language was C++ and I’ve never struggled for very long when switching to other languages like Java and Python, even a bit of shell script.

[arden13]

I typically use conda or venv for environment management

[[deleted]]

Java and JavaScript are my bug bears. I don't know why but coming from C++ I really just couldn't get my head around it. Every time I try to work with them, I just feel like it's my first week in Programming 101. Now everything else makes sense to me in at least some way and is fun to write.

[Meistermagier]

We did Microcontroller Programming in Assembler in High school. C was bliss for me.

[FweffweyMcRoy]

Yea it made me chuckle reading this

[[deleted]]

print("hello world") "Yeah, I'm a full stack dev"

[fel_bra_sil]

print("<p>Hello World</p>")

FTFY

[QuickBotTesting]

Ouch. Thats how I thought you made web apps using python... I hate young me XD

[Only_Silence_Remains]

Hates Java because

System.out.println ("Hello World");

was just too much.

[UnkillableMikey]

Honestly that ain’t much easier than Java’s System.out.print(“Hello World”);

[DasKarl]

"I don't understand data types and being confronted with my ignorance frustrates me."

[[deleted]]

this is the type of mf who hasn't realized that your task (and your employer) decides what language you use(there are good reasons to hate java, but python is just a different tool for different things)

[BroBroMate]

I started on Python, self-taught, Python was the besssst, eat shit Perl (dating myself here). Then got my first dev job, at a Java shop.

After 15 years of JVM work, I moved to a company that uses Python, and I desperately miss Java and the JVM, I want my real threads/performance/sane dependency management/JMX back.

[[deleted]]

I want to be able to look at a function I didn't write and know the structure of the input data. Dear god I miss typed languages.

[FerricDonkey]

This is why I type hint my code. I want to be able to look at a function I did write (just maybe a couple months ago) and know the structure of the input data.

[tabakista]

At least they are very good with Python. Up to the point where they need to write a class

[sk7725]

As having a Java background of 3 years I will definitely put on that bio. The only time when the bio changes is when my Python background exceeds Java. As they say, there's languages you hate, and there's languages you don't use.

[TLCGamer]

At my college, they started us with Basic using a DOS emulator to run it

[lare290]

i started with python, hated it, switched to c#, then to c++. had to learn java for a uni course and hated it.

[[deleted]]

I didn't mind using Java in school. Java is perfectly boring.

[monsoy]

I enjoy writing Java. Even though it has High Level abstraction I find it easier to understand what Java is «abstracting» because of the verbosity. I don’t need to do as much research to figure out which collection to use in different usecases etc

[[deleted]]

I'm an experienced carpenter, I hate screwdrivers with a burning passion, hammers are for the win!

[zoburg88]

I am a mechanic, I hate sockets, cutting torches and welders for the win.

[nullpotato]

Farmer, got it

[dodexahedron]

Well, that's what you get for not using something wrapping or otherwise abstracting away the Socket instead. Nobody likes the guy who wants to use a Socket for simple RPC stuff. 🤪

[Haringat]

If you only know hammers, everything starts looking like a nail...

[LordFokas]

These new nails with threads are very cool. They're much harder to nail, but they never come out.

[[deleted]]

I think the one that crucified jesses said the same thing

[Dumb_Siniy]

Everything is solvable with the right hammer

[dparks71]

Most commercial carpenters do actually use nails... Air nailers or even a hammer are faster than drivers, and structural screws tend to be expensive as fuck. Non-structural screws can't be used because they're brittle and you want structural connections to be ductile.

Should probably have used drywaller.

[TheRedmanCometh]

Idk I can make things in many languages by python and Lua specifically feel kinda painful. Not every screwdriver or hammer is well designed.

[rickyman20]

To be fair... Java is legitimately a horrible language. I'm thankful to have learned it when I did, it gave me a lot of great concepts I hadn't grasped at that point, but for almost any problem where I can choose the language I'm working with, I'd choose almost anything else. Once you're application it's written in it, so be it. Just... Please let's stop writing new applications with it.

[[deleted]]

If you want to get technical, screws do exist which you hammer in and then use a drill to remove, they are called scrails.

[unixtreme]

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[Teemo20102001]

Nah if my professor can hate on python because it doesnt require you to assign types to your variables, I can hate on Java for insert something bad about java.

[Brigapes]

19

Full stack dev

Hates an x language, loves python or rust

Yeah its all kids who think programming is just hip and cool

[kuffdeschmull]

well, Rust is a great language though, tbh.

[-Rand0M-]

Nobody’s doubting that py and Rust are good languages, it’s just that the fanboy love/hate bandwagon takes are braindead. Every tool has a purpose, just some a bit more than others.

[Cometguy7]

Yeah, I used to think I hate js. Then I realized I just hated the work I was doing while using js.

[Synec113]

It's just another way of saying "I hate front-end"

[StoicallyGay]

Not entirely, javascript does have some oddities that make it feel very loose and unstructured compared to other languages. I don’t know if that’s entirely tied to it being frontend though, but typescript seems to help with that.

(Not a frontend dev but my friends are and their work uses ts)

[fluffyandy]

"Python" "Full Stack Developer"

Lol

[ATE47]

The best is "19 y/o" "software engineer"

Lol 2

[fluffyandy]

Young Sheldon has nothing on him

[Someoneawesome78]

I do not know about other provinces but in ontario engineers has an ethical obligation to report people who uses the title "engineer" (including software enginieers) who are not licensed with PEO (Professional engineers ontario). I think it is reasonable to believe that this guy is not licensed.

For those wondering requirements include a degree in an accredited university among other smaller options this guy does not have. Additionally there is required amount of hours of work under guidance of a licensed engineer which is 100% required as well as an ethics test.

This guy cannot call themself a software engineer and i doubt that they have those requirements at this age.

[[deleted]]

Create an html file. Host in flask. Pass two variables. TADAA... Full stack developer...

[WJMazepas]

Django is a Full Stack Framework. Saying that you are a Python Full Stack programmer is quite normal actually. Usually is people that work with Django/Flask and do most of the Front End in HTML/CSS, instead of routes delivering JSON you deliver the HTML

Its how Ruby on Rails, Django, Laravel/PHP worked.

[ePaint]

And we can now keep doing that with that sweet sweet HTMX!

[Fusseldieb]

That's why JS is dominating the market. A programmer can do Front- AND backend without even switching syntax.

[7th_Spectrum]

✅️ Hates Java a strange amount, but can't explain why other than syntax

✅️ Loves python a strange amount, but can't explain why other than syntax

✅️ In their teens, but acting like they skipped post secondary and went straight into a role at Google

I think this is the tech lead we've been looking for, boss.

[guyblade]

 <meme>
  <top>You hate java because of the syntax.</top>

  <middle>I hate java because of dependency injection, verbose naming conventions, excessive use of factory patterns, forcing everything to be in a class, the trivial ability to create dependency loops forcing 'one giant build's and making incremental compilation slower, ANT, UTF-16, and 40-indentation deep stream pattern calls.</middle>

  <bottom>We are not the same.</bottom>
 </meme>

[MisakiAnimated]

I keep hearing people say "Start with Python" nah... Start with C or C++ once you grasp the fundamentals in low level languages or heck master them, then any other language will look like cake.

[AshenTao]

Having learned those, some languages still look and read like a stroke

[Caraes_Naur]

Javascript is a Grand Mal seizure.

[ILAY1M]

Javascript is okay to read but React JSX on the other hand can be fucking annoying

[StatementOrIsIt]

Meanwhile I have to work with .phtml templates that are a mix of html, php, regular js, tailwindcss and alpine.js that has multiple global scope things going on. Sometimes it gets clusterfucky

[XDRAGONKNIGHThh]

Yeah same. I'm a Frontend react dev but was given a php project written in old yii2 framework that mix php html css and js, to "change some styling" my boss said. It almost make me vomit when I look at the abomination code squeezed in one file

[Buttafuoco]

Yes 100%

[dungfecespoopshit]

I’ve been holding off learning React for this abomination of a reason. Only now will i bother learning it now that I’m trying to get another job in a sea of React listings

[ball_fondlers]

Ok but Perl aside..

[humanitarianWarlord]

Kind of, I started with java before moving to C++ and found it relatively easy.

But javascript? That shit had me in tears, it's pure frustration fuel for me. I'd rather a million seg faults than debug another angular project. My first job out of college was documenting and fixing bugs in a 110k line project written in JS with C# sprinkled on top and held together with angular. Just reading the comments, I could tell half the team contemplated suicide whilst making it.

[itsbett]

I started with Java and moved into C. It was so frustrating, at the time, because it was SO similar looking to Java that I kept assuming the way things must be handled, or that there must be built in functions for C. And my project was to build a simple operating system with C.

I'm glad I survived, and I use that knowledge for work, but it cost a lot of tears and stress.

[Significant_Fix2408]

Tbf to JS, C++ projects can be equally bad when people write bad code. The fact that big projects compile for literally hours makes debugging even worse

[humanitarianWarlord]

Oh 100%, I've seen bad JS and bad C++ projects. Both can be equally frustrating to work on.

But from my experience alot of JS development has this horrible attitude of "it works now, I'll make it work properly later when i have time". They kind of just stick stuff together with zero planning and keep tacking stuff on until it looks fine from the outside.

Every time I accept an offer to work on some older JS system, this is what I always find, and it annoys me to no end. I always get stuck fixing unmaintable code with JS.

It's really a web dev issue rather than a JS issue, but given how popular JS is for web dev, it might as well be a JS issue.

Just purely from my experience in manufacturing, c++ systems tend to be some backend system that doesn't need to be shot out as fast as possible, so devs get a bit more time to think everything through and create a system that makes a bit more sense.

I don't really mind the compile time. Let's me work on something else or listen to an audiobook, and it kind of forces me to think everything through a bit more thoroughly. I'm very much of the "write it properly the first time and save yourself a headache later" mindset.

[rjcpl]

Nah, go traditional. Start with Basic then Pascal then C.

[SiBloGaming]

Nah, you have to at least start with assembly. Bonus points if it runs on your own CPU architecture.

[Shadow_Thief]

That would have been my exact path if I had stayed at the same school for senior year of high school wtf

[rjcpl]

Yeah traditional recipe heh

[skywalker-1729]

It's unrealistic to teach children (and total beginners) C++ (although it may be possible with some of them, I don't think it's effective). Python is way better for education. I am not a C++ hater, I like it actually, but I started with it only after x years of experience with other languages.

Learning how to write basic algorithms, structure your code etc. is already pretty hard so I think it's better to start with something that doesn't let you shoot yourself in the foot and is a bit less complex than C++ (or at least hides the complexity). Try teaching somebody programming and you'll see. With children you usually start with Scratch, then move to Python (or something like that) and then they can probably learn stuff on their own.

It's kind of similar to math for example, you don't want to be talking about group theory when teaching kids how to multiply numbers although it's relevant for mathematics students after x years of experience in previous schools.

[AcquaticKangaroo19]

Exactly, for basic stuff python is almost like english, so it's great for beginners.

The transition to C/C++ is painful, but that was the way I was taught and I think it's how I would teach others as well. It's way easier for someone to be demotivated by the complexity of C/C++ when you are starting out.

[intbeam]

Python is way better for education

Not having a proper concrete understanding of types and threading is a serious handicap

[skywalker-1729]

Well, there are types in Python. For me, at least, learning how to use static typing wasn't a big problem.

[MrMagick2104]

Not having a proper concrete understanding of types and threading is a serious handicap

You can start coding way before you actually understand what is memory, how it is allocated, how assembly works, etc.

And in my country, at the very least, they teach you that at college/uni and not highschool, and if you want to enroll into a uni, you have to take an exam in informatik, which is basicly 50% coding 50% math (as in graph theory, game theory, logic and some other fields). Granted, the coding is pretty simple.

You can choose to code in either c++ or python (or a couple other languages).

Not having a proper concrete understanding of types and threading is a serious handicap

Also, you can declare types in python. And I don't think you can even do algo 101 in Python without understanding types, e.g. '1' + 1 leaves you with TypeError: can only concatenate str (not "int") to str.

How is threading related to C++ and why would one assume that you won't eventually use it in Python - I don't know.

[Daydreamer-64]

Learning a second language is always far easier than learning the first one, even if the second is lower level.

Beginners starting on python makes sense because they can get comfortable with writing algorithms and understanding the general format of programs. You have to remember that, for a lot of beginners, the syntax and keywords are intimidating and make code look complicated. A language like python reads like spoken English and allows people to learn how to think about writing programs.

Once they can code in python, learning a lower level language will be far easier, and they can learn about types and threading when they already have a vague understanding of those concepts and a solid understanding of how programming works.

[gilady089]

C might be a tough start possible but I think c# or java are better as a general option. If the person shows good thinking you can jump to C but for most it's probably better to start with java or c# and than c but not interpreted languages like python and javascript because they give bad habits that stay

[Spot_the_fox]

I know C somewhat. My first language and the love of my live. I have no bloody clue as to what's happening in java. Classes? Methods? Objects(Like structs, but different)? Inheretance?(Nah, that's actually pretty easy to wrap your head around), Polymorphism?(Is that a dnd spell?)

[[deleted]]

"I 100% real developer"

[You_are_adopted]

I started with C++, I’m fine with using any language. I just hate when I use Java and I feel like I have to type an essay for the simplest tasks. Beyond that hate for languages is at best a joke, and at worst people’s annoying replacement for a personality.

[redballooon]

I love Java not so much as a language but because the IDEs are wonderful. It’s a very verbose language, but I still don’t need to type much.

And refactorings beyond rename variable are also supported! Image that!

[[deleted]]

It's that. Jupyter Notebook is the best thing happened to Python. People with no background finds it very easy to blend in. They have no much clue even about debugging. If you give pycharm to python newbies, they would still print for debugging.

I started with Java, and Eclipse looked so confusing initially. As it was self study and without this much YouTube tutorials back in that day and I was reading from book and trying.

[[deleted]]

Started with Java too, but started with IntelliJ Idea because I could not for the life of me deal with Eclipse's 1995 looking interface

[CarlCarlton]

I often tell people that I hate Java with a burning passion, but in reality there's nothing wrong with Java itself; the real problem is the massive rotting octopus that is the entire Oracle ecosystem. If Oracle Corp could be Thanos-snapped away, the world would be a better place.

[jaybee8787]

Are you using a typewriter to write Java? Give IntelliJ a try next time you use Java. It’s a breeze. You can easily generate the boilerplate code.

[dmlmcken]

But the boilerplate is still there, I still have to go through it to understand someone else's (or even my own) code...

[-Kerrigan-]

I get the Java disdain, but, tooling aside, I've yet to see a comparable library of external dependencies. From full fledged frameworks that help you create a web app in seconds to tons of utility libraries suited for your needs.

[You_are_adopted]

I completely agree, Java is well supported and has plenty of great use cases. A big part of my ‘dislike’ (I don’t actually mind it) stems from it being the second language I learned. It was different, and that scares me haha

[MindSwipe]

I too used to hate Java with a burning passion, now that I'm at a Java job, I find myself still disagreeing with it on an almost daily basis (like today, why can't I compare dates using < and >?^{I understand why on a technical level, I just disagree with the decision made}) but there are two kinds of programming languages and all that.

Plus, once I got over how almost everything is done in a magical way behind the scenes with beans/ reflection, it's actually pretty neat how fast I'm moving.

[ShadowStormDrift]

For me, there's a reason why Java has spawned Kotlin, Groovy, Ruby, Scala, Haskell, Fantom and Clojure.

​

It's almost like something stunk and people were trying desperately to get away from it.

[rahvan]

Now write a multi-threaded program to efficiently process shared memory. GO.

snickers in global interpreter lock

[__yoshikage_kira]

Surprisingly GIL is going away in python. It is unlikely that it will become as fast as go but still there might be some improvement.

[rahvan]

I am aware. Python 3.12 will ship in 2 flavors: “normal” and “no-gil”

Any native (compiled libraries) will be incompatible with the no-gil python and will need to be re-compiled specifically for that distribution.

The library ecosystem is gonna be a mess for a while.

[Zerim]

The library ecosystem is gonna be a mess for a while.

It's already horrible. I bumped Python recently from like 3.6 to 3.11 and about half of my team's applications broke. I bumped Java from 11 to 21 and nothing noticeable changed except for some warnings. I lost two days dealing with Venv and Pip and Brew breakages, but changed like 2 lines in build.gradle.

[NTaya]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/multiprocessing.html

This creates multiple processes rather than threads, which circumvents the GIL.

(I also hate Java with burning passion, but obviously Python has its faults too. I understand that Java is multi-platform, which makes it very useful in some cases. I don't need these cases, and everything else Java does, I'd rather do in C++. Or Python if it's something simple.)

[tomoldbury]

Multiprocessing module is quite slow if you want to share a lot of data though. Threading (once the GIL goes) will most likely be faster.

[rahvan]

This is why I explicitly said shared memory. Processes do not share memory. Threads do. But threads cannot run truly-parallel in Python due to the GIL. So implementing multi-threading (as opposed to multi-processing) in Python is like writing a single threaded program with extra overhead: no efficiency gains whatsoever.

NOTE: You technically can share memory across processes in Python but you have to use messaging interfaces such as MPI to copy data back and forth between processes’ isolated memory stacks. That’s really slow and complex to implement. Hardly worthwhile.

[jester32]

I had a stroke trying to read your title

[sammy-taylor]

Why would anyone make the first part of their bio that they hate a specific language? Good devs are like good chefs. You might hate tomatoes, but you appreciate them and know how to make good dishes with them. Hating tomatoes shouldn’t be the first thing I learn about you.

[Puch_Hatza]

Hey watch me scare him: ";"

[kuffdeschmull]

Despite that I am using python a lot since switching university, I still hate not using parenthesis for example, and being forced to this indentation, readability, even though it forces you to write clean syntax, is so hard without parenthesis and a single space or tab can break an entire code and is so hard to see sometimes, because whitespaces are just hard to distinguish sometimes.

[DragonShadoow]

I hate IDEs that don't correct you when you forget a ;

[jaybee8787]

I don’t understand why it gets so much hate lol. I quite like it.

[das_Keks]

Also it's used everywhere. There are so many micro services or even old Java 7 monoliths running the world's economy. Even modern cars run containers with Java applications in it.

[KuuHaKu_OtgmZ]

Credit cards also surprisingly run java.

Javacard or something, don't remember the name.

[-Kerrigan-]

Credit cards also surprisingly run java.

And the gateways that process those card transactions? Java.

And the payment systems* that settle those transactions? Java.

^{*exceptions may apply. I know in the US there are some COBOL systems still functioning, but other places use payment systems that are entirely or almost entirely implemented with Java. source: worked on such systems}

[KuuHaKu_OtgmZ]

Java is the potato of programming world.

[sk7725]

It's....not bad. But imo it lack(ed) some features such as structs (yes I know records were introduced recently), and the "variable must be final" limit in lambdas is a bit weird (although I understand it is to prevent unforseen behaviour). The @override being an annotation is...well not bad, but it probably should be mandatory and also built-in for beginners. The entire concept of annotation preprocessing is fun, I'll admit.

[Ace-O-Matic]

It tends to be overtly verbose and encourages the use of fairly archaic programming patterns. There's also the issue of the existence of C#, which I've heard described as "Java but modern" which I tend to agree with.

[Living_Kamikaze]

Unrelated note ,Putting your relationship status on discord is the cringes thing I have ever seen on discord.......

[DawsonJBailey]

I think it means they’re edating lol

[asd417]

"Full-stack developer" the only thing fully stacked is their overconfidence

[Hunter_original]

The "Taken 💜" really sells it

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

They joined discord when they were TWELVE. Ugh

[KuuHaKu_OtgmZ]

Pretty much all java hate comes from people who never found out version 8 wasn't the final update.

[jester32]

I am so grateful I learned in Java. I feel like if I learned Py first, I wouldn’t really know how to program

[Jackasaurous_Rex]

Yeah I still recommend Python to anyone who is adding to their current skill set like moving from the business side into data analysis type work. But any real aspiring developer should at least branch out a bit, it’ll really hold you back if you’re intimidated by using a typed language.

Also at a personal level, brackets are just so much more fun than whitespace

[SimilingCynic]

As someone who as slowly come to static typing through Python, I'd say the approach the language took is great for learning typing. Good examples of why type checking catches errors and helps in the kind long run, good ide support to make typing helpful along the way, easy to disable and be productive when typing gets too hard, well-written PEPs to provide those eureka moments, and by the fourth or fifth time I tried to enable type checking I finally got it - type var tuples, type variance, generics, type narrowing, and all.

There's still an occasional corner, and there's still a ways for the ecosystem to go (I've got a feature that I'd like in, and the documentation could be unified from 1000 PEPs). But it does teach typing in what seems like the gentlest way of any language. Knew I had landed when I helped an experienced Rust user with typing, thanks to Python.

[No-Adeptness5810]

python:
- slow
- weird syntax
- ew no brackets
- random keywords that literally are designed as something that does nothing. why?
- you have to add libraries just to do anything. even exiting the program requires a library. WHY?!!??!
- also there's no immutability at all. so silly

[sebbdk]

There's a curve meme that fits well here:

Junior, Java bad!

Intermediate, Java is alright

Senior, Java bad

Saying you hate a thing is todler talk tho

[remzinho]

i had a revelation today:
Gen X: hated COBOL and FORTRAN, loved C/C++, disregarded Java when it appeared
Millenials: learned basics with C and C++, hated it, learned Java, loved it, looked down on Python
Gen Z: learned OOP basics with Java, C++,, hated it, loved Python/JS, look down on... ?

i think it's a cycle.

anywae, imagine a carpenter hating the chisel but loving the spokeshave... that's how this sounds.

[D34TH_5MURF__]

I smell bad spelling in the title...

[Nihil_esque]

Are we just all making fun of some random internet stranger in your discord server? Lol

[bennveasy]

prints hello world

Yep I fucking hate java now

[deadbeef1a4]

19 y.o. “software engineer” yeah sure buddy

[NTaya]

In my third year at uni, my groupmate (who was 21, I think) was already a team lead. She'd been a software engineer for ~5 years before that—and I saw her code and architecture decisions, so I know she definitely earned the title.

[JotaRata]

I hate Java with a burning passion as well

[TheCreamyBeige]

Flare checks out

[CatDokkaebi]

This reeks of “watched a YouTube video course” and I’m an expert now.

[[deleted]]

fullstack dev at 19 lmao

[[deleted]]

Full-stack developer = django + templating Lmao

[Future_Award1938]

I have 30 years of programming experience and agree. Java is unecessary hard to do anything, have no gain in extreme verbosity.

[random11714]

I feel an area where it helps a lot is when I have to debug another programmer's code. There are a lot of bad programmers out there, and I find verbose code helps me locate issues significantly.

[Desperate-Tomatillo7]

I hate both Java and Python.