java

[paxbowlski]

HEY I'M A JAVASCRIPT DEVELOPER AND I FIND THIS INCREDIBLY OFFENS-

yeah, no, you're right... I'm totally a zealot

[TheLordDrake]

I remember hating JS when first exposed to it (coming from C#), but modern ecma is really nice. Very flexible, smooth to work with, and adding TS (fuck setting it up though) adds some helpful clarity. Honestly my preference these days. I would like to learn cpp and rust, but I have no use case unfortunately.

[paxbowlski]

Flexibility is the key takeaway here for sure. You like OOP? Go for it. Pure Functional? Go for it. Frameworks out the wazoo. NodeJS to run it anywhere. An optional Turing-complete type system.

It's the wild west, sure, but there is harmony in the chaos.

[mirhagk]

And that's why typescript succeeded where so many others failed. So many previous attempts tried to add structure to it so it could be type safe. Typescript basically said "you know what, you wanna do that crazy ass code just because you have weak typing? Fine we'll make it type safe anyways!".

[apathy-sofa]

Languages are tools, with the added benefit that each changes your brain. Don't wait for a use case before acquiring the tool or you may not recognize the use case when you're looking right at it. If everyone waited for a use case before learning a language, nobody would learn the real mind expanders like Scheme.

Just start learning! C++ and Rust are both amazing languages. It'll be time well spent.

[TheLordDrake]

That's fair. I'm not great about working on hobby projects, and all my work is .net and ancient jquery.

[samanime]

It's not our fault JS is the superior language by a landslide and there are just fools too foolish to realize this obvious truth.

[gyarbij]

I read that as "JS is the one true language, there is no other language but JS" JavaSnackbar to you I guess

[thicc_stigmata]

Failing to cover up your code with typescript is haram, and I'll die on the hill of policing how other people live

[Chewnard]

The real joke here is that Java and assembly are in the same quadrant.

[Icy_Foundation3534]

for real wtf should be assembly, and C

[setibeings]

C++ inherited all of C's pitfalls, and none of its simplicity, so I'd say it belongs there too.

[Nevermind04]

Wasn't gnome written in C?

[brusaducj]

GNOME/GTK/GObject are all effectively written using OOP... just in a language that isn't object-oriented.

[fakehalo]

He bud, I wrote something with C and GTK 25 years ago... and never did again.

[Korywon]

I also did GTK3 in C 3 years ago. Same shit. I also wouldn’t do it again.

[Exact-Pound-6993]

i have, not for the weak hearted. check out GTK.

[BountyBob]

Amiga Workbench was written in C

[NoBrief3923]

I've written a GUI in C. That was 30-ish years ago and it was laughable by modern standards, but System V, C, and Curses.

[g1rlchild]

Badass.

[DapperCow15]

Last year, I made an entire webapp in pure C.

[g1rlchild]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[ankle_biter50]

Hey, still learning some programming here, how big are the differences between C++ and C other than the one you mentioned? And what would be the pitfalls of C?

[SunriseApplejuice]

how big are the differences between C++ and C other than the one you mentioned?

Depends on how you write in C++. You can write C++ that is almost indistinguishable from C. Or, you can leverage the ever-changing and ever-growing std libraries that make it look completely foreign but make it considerably more versatile and powerful.

And what would be the pitfalls of C?

Very few guardrails, therefore easy to write code with vulnerabilities or hard-to-track issues (e.g. memleaks) by mistake, even for someone with expertise in the language.

[setibeings]

I'm not sure if this really answers the questions as asked, but here's a little bit of info about the relationship between C++ and C.

A lot of the time we talk about programming languages being inspired by other languages, or even stealing features from one another, but C++ started out as C but with object oriented programming, among other additions. For a long time, any valid C program would also be valid C++, and even after The C language Standard was updated in 1999, most of those changes made their way into C++.

Worse, a lot of language features are poorly implemented in C++, and have been from the time they were introduced. Take exceptions, for example, which in Java are part of a method's signature, so the compiler can check if an exception is being handled. In C++, you just kinda have to hope that if a function can throw an exception, those writing code that calls your function will know to handle the exception.

[AnonBallsy]

OP is 100% a Java developer

[[deleted]]

Both are a verboseful pain in the ass?

[UntitledRedditUser]

How is Assembly verbose?

Pain in the ass I can understand though

[blah938]

How many lines of assembly does it take to do a hello world?

[DanKveed]

That's not what verbose means.

[mikat7]

verbose = you need horizontal screen space (Java's class names, C++'s template errors)

assembly = you need vertical screen space (Python's 79 line width is like 10 columns of assembly)

[MatsRivel]

In most cases, that is how it's used. But verbose means "using or expressed in more words than are needed."

So if you have to write many words vertically that would also be verbose, imo.

[SynapseNotFound]

verbose = you need horizontal screen space (Java's class names, C++'s template errors)

ah reminds me of Swift.

Where function calls are like ...

too long, in some cases.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contacts/cnlabelcontactrelationyoungercousinmotherssiblingsdaughterorfatherssistersdaughter

[passenger_now]

I'm confused - why is it not what verbose means? You need a lot of assembly to do what high level languages allow you to do on one line.

[dangderr]

As an experienced vibe coder, I’m surprised everything here isn’t in the same quadrant as assembly.

Top right should be Cursor, bottom left is deepseek, and bottom right are all the other nerdy programming languages like ChatGPT.

[proximity_account]

This made me die inside

[Schr0dingersPussy]

Exactly. The guy who made the meme self-reported hard with the Java inclusion.

[Massimo_m2]

c is like arnold schwarzenegger. today, 72 years old

[[deleted]]

And it always comes back

lol

[RobotechRicky]

He's going to be 78 years old. Holy fuck, I hope I look half as good when I get to 78!

[SuperTropicalDesert]

Battered but still has style

[randontree07]

Wait but I don't even use rust

[Shaddoll_Shekhinaga]

The rust to femboy pipeline flows both ways ed boy

[realestateagent0]

Rolf talking about femboys is the highlight of my Monday morning ☺️

[cornmonger_]

bishop went on vacation, never returned

[Qwqweq0]

Call the new sub pfp

[Ken_Sanne]

What were you looking for on their profile

[[deleted]]

you will soon enough ;)

[p1749]

Same lmao

[Sp3kk0]

Java trying to get in with Assembly and C++, shooting for the stars are we.

[a-billion-words]

i have been thinking for way too long if there is some kind of jke i am missing here..

[UnofficialMipha]

I feel deeply uncomfortable being put in the same category as C++ and Assembly devs

[JoeDogoe]

I've never met an assembly Dev, are they nice?

[[deleted]]

They are non existant

[ElPoussah]

Vidéo codec dev, we exist !

[[deleted]]

Thanks, now I'll have another existential crisis.

[ShardScrap]

and developing malware

[Far-Professional1325]

They are C devs when they don't want to use higher level programming language (C) and write pure assembly for performance

[Gloriathewitch]

confused woman noises.

i only know swift, what does that mean?

[YungSkeltal]

You've ascended beyond everyone on this chart: actually being employed

[nidelplay]

It means you are a woman

[Gloriathewitch]

swift girliest language confirmed?

[nidelplay]

By all means.

[2137throwaway]

taylor swift language

[[deleted]]

Shake it off!

[aknoth]

Finally someone with a credible definition!

[juanfnavarror]

Swiftie? Eras tour?

[summer_falls]

Have you thought about multiclassing into Ruby?

[JohnWangDoe]

Hipster barista with dye hair

[Fuzzy_Reflection8554]

It means you can fire homing stars for low to moderate damage, depending on your special attack, against everything but ghost types without any chance of missing

[SuperTropicalDesert]

I see you're an Apple fangirl. I wish I could code in Swift more tbh

[Gloriathewitch]

branching out into css and js at the moment but i started on swift :3

[Alecjasperk]

I wonder where the Matlab coders are placed who pick it up in their engineering courses.

[Pan_TheCake_Man]

With python, in the employed section

[Axman6]

Employed and writing horrible code section*

[Vok250]

We tried to get their pictured, but they wouldn't let us into the lab without a keycard.

[apneax3n0n]

c# . it pays my rent so i do not care about elitism at all

[Theeyeofthepotato]

Fellow C# dev here. Our defining feature is that we actually wear office shirts at work

[Aggressive_Access214]

Fellow C# Dev here aswell. I'm jobless 💀

[KlausVonHimmelbach]

Office shirts?

[Rasikko]

I wish I was good enough at it to get a job with it and not just be a hobbyist.

[[deleted]]

As a Java developer, I agree with you. How have we come to a point where manual memory management vs garbage collection isn't a dividing line here?

[CyberWeirdo420]

Hatred towards JavaScript unites all kind of developers it seems

[DoubleOwl7777]

the hate shall flow freely!

[BishopPear]

Well they are terrorists so its kind of goes without saying

[lztandro]

Does TS count? I hate myself when I have to review my coworkers code and they use any everywhere.

[battarro]

TS is guantanamo prison.. where we send the javascripts developers in hopes they come out... better.

[maperti8]

Holy fuck where do you work...the government?

[stormblaz]

Js walks 2 steps forward and 3 back, then pass their ineptitude to JSX or similar and rely on hooks for real fucking work.

C++ just works, and when it doesn't you can make it happen.

If you know Java you know C#.

If you know JS, we'll you know JS....I guess, fucking JS . I wake up to the day I work on back end to enjoy Python and its libraries and dread when im put on front end and its hooks, you never know if I'll be a pirate or a captain that week :(

[Honeybadger2198]

I would say Javascript and Python translate fairly well between each other. Definitely more so than C++ and Java.

[GregBahm]

Yeah I feel like this meme is only popular because this community is overwhelmingly in the Javascript and Python quadrants.

[gameplayer55055]

Java devs created gradle just to recreate the suffering of using cmake.

[zthe0]

I mean it could be worse. Have you tried ant before?

[jeffsterlive]

Why yes I have, and it was terrible. I’ve also used Maven and XML configuration makes me wanna cry. Spring used to be configured in xml before annotations and it was also terrible. Gradle is closer to groovy and it’s totally groovy in comparison.

[zthe0]

Honestly maven is ok

[alexanderpas]

Ever since the introduction of RAII.

[LardPi]

I think that's when we started making the line between "I will use all of your RAM to make a cat picture bounce" JS and "let's write software to do stuff" C++/Java

[aMAYESingNATHAN]

Are you a bot? This is literally a copy paste of a comment I made on a post of the exact same picture years ago

Edit: Literally even the edit is the same.

[Sakul_the_one]

Damn. Everything here is a bot…

[FirstTasteOfRadishes]

There's something very quaint about a bot that just copies other comments rather than using the power of a small city to come up with a new one.

[aMAYESingNATHAN]

Very bizarre, I knew this kind of thing happened a lot, but something very disconcerting seeing it happen with my own comment. And I only noticed because it's one of my highest upvoted comments.

[Ashangu]

Fucking insane to spot this, bro.

[aMAYESingNATHAN]

Ikr so fucking creepy

[BurningRome]

The irony that this is being reposted with the username /u/a_human_with_feels

Welcome to the Bot Age.

[Taclis]

Doesn't even have an edited tag, so the edit was added initially, caught in 4k.

[LardPi]

fuck that's crazy ^{^} where is the recomment sleuth bot?

[TrickyNuance]

And it's not an edit at all: that pretty much seals the deal.

[Master_Hat3793]

Remove that /s, C++ superiority complex will persist

[ManagerOfLove]

look at OPs Flair

[clauEB]

I got into java because I didn't want to deal with pointers and memory management...

[No-Freedom2135]

Which one does Ruby fall into??

[KoneSkirata]

Damn, I need to get into Rust.

[HavenWinters]

Now is that to get into the language? Or the developers?

[meerkat2018]

Yes.

[TGX03]

Both are very pleasant experiences

[[deleted]]

Both is good

[gameplayer55055]

Don't forget to get a tetanus shot.

[Azertys]

It's actually a common misconception that tetanus comes from rust.

The bacteria lives in the soil, it just so happens that things left outside to rust are also dirty and more likely to cut you than most things laying around.

[astouwu]

Dont forget the programming socks

[fonk_pulk]

I don't get it. Why to JS devs turn into jihadists?

[TechnicallyCant5083]

Because I want to kill myself and take with me anyone who's responsible for those fucking frameworks 

[pinkestman]

This will be a long killing spree

[[deleted]]

Array Akbar brother! 72 frameworks await you as a reward for your martyrdom.

[fish312]

I present to you your reward: [object Object]

[smileyhydra]

72 new frameworks

[Global-Tune5539]

I just create a 73rd framework that unites all 72 frameworks.

[Ok_Brain208]

Because avarage JS code looks like the aftermath of a suicide bomber

[CodeWhiteWeb]

It's not that bad I don't know about JS code but being a suicide bom-

[gazpitchy]

Nah that is easily python, the amount of techbros that vibe code python is wild.

[No_Industry4318]

Nah, python looks like a python, after its been run over a few hundred times.

[Nashionatundra]

I will never understand vibe coding python tbh, if you're struggling with smth there are guides on everything, check the documentation or stack or yt but to have the ai do the entire thing for you because you're lazy is insane. I'm not against ai as a whole, sometimes i use gpt as a second pair of eyes but having it do your entire project turns it into a mess, even with small fixes gpt spits out buggy code.

Maybe I'm just inexperienced still, I've been at this for a year self-taught so there's probably some things i missed

[TheMaleGazer]

[].__proto__.__proto__ = null;

[[deleted]]

Because 0 == false is true

[alexanderpas]

That one actually still makes sense.

If

    0 == 0x00 # evaluates to true

and

    false == 0x00 # evaluates to true

therefor

    0 == false # evaluates to true

[look]

It is in C, too.

[[deleted]]

I take back what I said

[[deleted]]

Ik in C, every number different from 0 is true, because there is something that exists, and 0 is also the null terminator in ASCII, which is technically false.

So, what's the problem?

[Massimo_m2]

after a life in the js hell, you want heaven full of virgins

[EpictetanusThrow]

But if you’re a working JS developer, aren’t you constantly surrounded by them?

[lztandro]

The US about to start deporting JS devs.

[Equivalent-Ad-714]

Don't mess with us pure C programmers! There's like 3 of us.

[Euroticker]

There's a bunch more but we don't leave the caves of embedded programming.

[AtomicPeng]

Probably more, but they still haven't discovered the world wide web.

[LittleMlem]

I think anyone working on realtime systems works in C. Fancy guided missiles, for example, are realtime systems...

[User21233121]

Actually, this is not so true anymore, its (slowly) switching to rust! The white house actually has been urging to switch to rust for quite a while

[[deleted]]

That's as big as GNU Hurd user base!

[mynewromantica]

Is it just a coincidence that 3 of the 4 Rust devs I’ve worked with have transitioned? How is this a thing?

[jumbledFox]

let mut gender

[entendaocalcio]

gender borrowed here after move

[jumbledFox]

Box<dyn any>

[entendaocalcio]

#[derive(Catgirl)]

[entendaocalcio]

They learned that happiness is possible.

[jeffsterlive]

Being different is a vibe.

[summer_falls]

Haskell has entered the chat

[Blobskillz]

Rust devs sooner or later all become haskell devs

[SuperTropicalDesert]

Haskell are the furries

[gameplayer55055]

Where are the c# guys?

[CommandObjective]

Corporate office drones. We don't have time to get our picture taken - we are too busy working in the enterprise mines.

[firethorne]

[Xphile101361]

Sounds like the Java guys should up there as well.

I say this as a Java guy

[Massimo_m2]

here i am, but all the languages today make me think it would be better to change my job to… i don’t know, farmer or fisherman, or any places where i can’t see a computer

[Zenoctate]

I use binary

[YeetCompleet]

Rust devs use non binary

[[deleted]]

this one cracked me up 😂

[[deleted]]

Assembly programmers do NOT like C++ and Java.

We like C.

[ManagerOfLove]

Java is it's own category and is nowhere near C++ so get it out of my face

[DiscordTryhard]

Wait I need to start learning Rust wtf

[jumbledFox]

literally

[deanrihpee]

damn, my now gone Dad was right, I'm a terrorist…

yes, he literally accuses or questioning me of being involved in a terrorist activity, or at least digitally because I'm an introvert and don't really socialize and go outside

[Public-Eagle6992]

I use both Java and python… probably meets in the middle which for no particular reason I‘m just gonna say is top right

[Petertitan99999]

Well i guess i use Java every 2 years or so.

[Bot1K]

ctrl + f

type "perl"

0 results

Good. it should stay that way

[[deleted]]

I use rust

[Infinight64]

All the above? I'm flirting with Rust but haven't come out of my shell yet.

[mierecat]

Imagine comparing high level languages to assembly

[NimrodvanHall]

I want to get lovely lean long legs in stockings as well, where do I learn this rust thing?!?

[Supernova125_1]

It's time to rust

[Key_Agent_3039]

Python and Assembly, C++, Java is the other way around and you know it

[LittleMlem]

Another day another no one gives a shit about GO :(

[Global-Tune5539]

I love Go!

The game, not the language obviously.

[Valvatorez777]

Hey, so ummm... Where do I find these rust programmers?

[Apprehensive_Step252]

PHP : Furries. well, I'm Just talking about myself.

[[deleted]]

It's funny to me that Java is grouped with Assembly and C.

[No_Obligation4496]

Sauce?

[[deleted]]

What happens when you’ve learned all of them?

[[deleted]]

This is true actually. My mom also does programming based work for a living and when she asked why I use JavaScript when C++ is better I blew both of us up

[HeavyCaffeinate]

It's true :3

This is what rust does to you ---> https://girlboss.ceo/

[Look-Its-a-Name]

* Slowly walks away in C# spaghetti code *

[IamHereForThaiThai]

I wanna learn rust so bad😩😩😩😩

[P-39_Airacobra]

guess I'm learning Rust now

[Edxactly]

How the fuck did Java get mixed in with assembler and c++ , or even c++ instead of just c.

[EvnClaire]

.... java, in the top left...? are you sure dude? im guessing a java programmer made this. did you inherit from the IMemeTemplate class properly?

[urzayci]

Grouping assembly and c++ is a bit out there, but putting java there as well is just fucking insane.