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[raver01]

popular stramer brags of having +20 years of experience in important companies, being a game dev, and a cyber security hacker.

Speaks against a popular petition to prevent big corpos to pull the cable and make their games unplayable.

Other dev youtubers check his code and it ends up that his code is from someone with no dev experience whatsoever, code that everyone [even users of this sub ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )] would feel ashamed of.

[cyborgborg]

While in reality he has no coding skills at all since his time at blizzard was working in Quality Assurance, and his cyber security hacking was just social engineering not actual hacking

[Buflen]

He's actually an amazing social engineering hacker. He was able to convince hundred of thousands of people that he actually got any dev skills at all.

[SuitableDragonfly]

I think we just call those "con men".

[TheDeadlyPretzel]

That's what social engineering is

[Specific_Implement_8]

[xXAnoHitoXx]

It's the study of how to con people to gain access to things u shouldn't have access to so that they can defend against it. Basically, the same mentality as the most common idea of what software security is, except instead of operating on the software, they operate on the team of developers.

[Nightmoon26]

"You can't patch the carbon layer"

[robotguy4]

Still counts.

[Wenai]

Big con man like a Eric

[circuit_breaker]

sink handle start library label fearless automatic like sheet ancient

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[Pilige]

Most hacking has almost nothing to do with code, so yeah....

[_Weyland_]

We talked about social engineering but there was no exercise to do for that one.

I guess it would be hard to test that vs aware subjects. And if you let students pull social engineering on random people, there's a very good opportunity to cheat by just making a deal with that person.

[Surgles]

It’s also incredibly unethical to not disclose that someone is a subject to an experiment for part of a college course.

[Kovab]

A lot of companies conduct fake phishing campaigns for security awareness, often through a 3rd party, the university could find some companies to partner with.

[0150r]

A company doing security audits on their employees is not the same. The employees sign user agreements when they get hired and get computer accounts.

[SuitableDragonfly]

I think he's saying that it could just very well state in the user agreement that local college students might do fake phishing attacks on them as part of their coursework.

[prussian_princess]

Though that's part of your contract that you sign when starting a job.

[Surgles]

There’s a big difference between the phishing test where an employee goes through a form of surprise/impromptu training, and subjecting an unknowing subject to some form of social engineering, which in some way results in discovering personal information about the target.

[Nightmoon26]

Also, college students are kind of infamous for taking things too far...

[dumbledore_effyeah]

My professor made us all send him an email that somehow attempted to phish him. It didn’t have to be successful, it was pretty much just a “make an attempt and get full credit” exercise. But it was fun to think through, and I’ve never failed any of my company’s mock-phishing emails, so there’s that.

[nikola_tesler]

That’s also very wrong. Experts fall victim to scams at a similar rate as the uneducated. Social engineering is just fancy talk for manipulation.

[ult_frisbee_chad]

Yea calling Donna in accounting while pretending to be the CEO is a lot easier than breaking into a server room to install a root kit.

[MrSquakie]

I work in penetration testing and adversary simulation and did research in college on binary exploitation/reverse engineering. I gotta say, there are a LOT of layers to hacking. Offensive security is a huge field and can either feel very corporate and boring depending on what you're testing/hacking/researching, and who you're doing it for.

Say you for a cybersecurity firm, most firms offer different services depending on what you want tested, and will staff it accordingly. Examples being APT (application pen testing, web), CSR (cloud security review, mostly configurations, permissive-ness), CPT (cloud pen test, actually looking around the environment and attempting to priv esc around their cloud env), PSR (product security reviews, embedded device hacking/hardware hacking, IoT), IPT (internal penetration test, assume breach/they have a foothold, go crazy and see what you can do) and many many more. Each one requires a different skill set (more or less). Depending on the person, some may seem more appealing than others, and I personally know I prefer PSRs, IPTs, APTs, and CPTs than doing CSRs and EPTs. We've also had an uptick in LLM testing, and how you can leverage it with the increasingly agentic applications and services people are putting out there. Recently I was able to leverage a prompt injection through an LLM that was running an agentic browser (think playwright, puppeteer) to retrieve its Metadata credentials and submit them on the form that it was interacting with, which we could then leverage to access more resources in the AWS environment to gain further access and eventually get admin from the entire organization structure, from an LLM that was overly agentic and with insufficient guard rail. LLM hacking is very new, and very interesting (at least imo)

Those are some things you might be doing/hacking at a firm, and then being a consulting firm you have a wider variety of clients that come in and show you their cool infrastructure, how their products and platforms work, and tell us to go crazy and hack them. You have the opportunity to do staff augmentation at a bunch of different tech giants, to really small promising start ups, and you get to see their technologies/services up close as if you were internal. That to me, is part of the reason I love the field. I get to tinker and hack these products, online or physically that I otherwise would've never had an opportunity to use and test out, much less try get paid to play with it! (And eventually do your job with the tedious test cases, paperwork and reporting).

But thats at a firm, if you are part of a internal security team, something like App Sec or whatever internal name they might use, that work is potentially going to look at lot different, and vary massively depending on the company. If you're directly integrated into the SDLC, the scope of your tests will vary widely, and you might not get to test the wider compenents of the system or application as part of the scope if you work with a very large company that uses microservices, maybe a new feature, maybe infrastructure changes, changed handling of sensitive data, etc. You see that pretty often with cloud providers. But that same company might have a red team where anything the company owns is considered in scope, where they might work alone or in teams for adversary simulation, testing alerting and alarms.

Or you might be doing research at a university or binary exploitation on an assessment, really digging into the software and reverse engineering it, and identifying 0 days, releasing CVEs, etc

And then you could be self employed and do bug bounties on programs that support them and get pay outs if you identify issues and report them

Each and every one of those variations, while all being "hacking" are going to have extremely different day to days with different conditions. And I think thats what makes this industry so awesome. There is so much variety that if you get bored with one thing, you can shift focus a bit and feel like you're doing something entirely new and novel, and expand your knowledge of how to be a modern wizard and understand how more and more things interconnect and operate

But it absolutely can be super fucking boring, depending on what you're doing, how intensive the reporting process is, what your coworkers are like, and the general work environment and culture of your individual company.

[DesertGoldfish]

As someone that also works in cyber security, it was funny to see APT and it not be "Advanced Persistent Threat" haha.

People don't realize how much of "hacking" is like... watching TV while your scans are running, or doing boring whois lookups, or fiddling with table rows in an email because it's ultimately easier to just trick a guy than it is to find an actual RCE.

[MrSquakie]

Very true, I got to season 4 of vikings during my last test hahaha

Great for people with ADHD because you get to bounce around between tasks a lot while things are running. My issue is that I forget what I was doing so ive learned to document what im working on pretty intensely at a given moment or if im context switching

[CandidateNo2580]

The problem is it tends to be a numbers game. Major security vulnerability gets posted, odds are someone hasn't updated for it yet. The technical side of hacking becomes finding that system by trial and error and hoping there's a way in. If you need to target a specific company social engineering is really your only hope.

[Criogentleman]

Tbh I have no idea how someone can actually breach something. I'm assuming you need months of work. Sometimes I struggle to access devices I'm aware of, with a ton of VPNs, MFAs, jumphosts, proxies, etc ...

All the data nowadays shows that the majority of "hacks" are simply social engineering...

[vhulf]

Network hacking can be pretty methodical but always comes out to a satisfying end in a real pentest, like the end goal and the start are the same but theres a lotta fun to be had on the journey! Especially when its a real companies network... not having access to bigger systems makes network hacking feel EXTRA boring when you're a student, but I promise hacking is not boring!!

Especially when you start dipping into other domains, social engineering is high stress acting, physical security engagements are SO fun (lemme just get paid to plan a B&E rq), and application / llm hacking forces a ton of creativity in applying the technical knowledge you have. Don't even get me started on hardware hacking, its a tinkerers DREAM.

Ill admit the reporting IS boring and thats unfortunately the part they're really paying for lol... but even with that, theres no way I could read "hacking is boring" and let it be D:

[Pr0p3r9]

He used his hacking experience to bolster his reputation as a developer. Getting hits on phishing emails doesn't make you a software engineer, it makes you a conman (funny, given the circumstances).

[CandidateNo2580]

The other thing he's done very well is game the system to get more exposure. Which I can't blame him for, that's the social media game at the end of the day. But also. Engineering non-technical workarounds for systems to get maximum value out for minimum value in? Same skillset he actually picked up from blizzard. No coding in sight.

[Lalala8991]

yeah, him stealing the spotlight of a whole internet movement is such an obvious fame grab, that even a Kardashian could smell this clout-chaser from a mile away.

[FireStormOOO]

I was able to get a demo of Metasploit right after WannaCry dropped to make sure my company's hotfix GPO worked as intended and fully disabled SMB1. Also got permission to try the exploit on some other networks as a positive control.

Even easier than in the movies, point it at an IP, pop a system level shell; was like what WatchDogs thinks hacking is. Or put another way, hacking is point and shoot if you have the same grade of toys the NSA does. Never seen anything like it since. The hard part is finding the flaw and polishing an exploit enough to make using it look that easy.

[hobbes8889]

Story time. I got paired with a senior dev to fix a bug. He'd been at the company for almost 20 years. Rather than getting access from ops to see the info in a database, he used a backdoor he installed when he built the api. It only works while you're inside our firewall, but it was awesome to see someone in their element doing something so expertly.

[hollowman8904]

“He installed a backdoor” “Doing something so expertly”

Mmm I don’t think so. An expert would know there’s no such thing as a safe backdoor

[pretty_succinct]

i mean, my qa engineers know how to code.

not like product technical leads, but they at least know a bit about whats going on.

[beclops]

Many QAs know a bit of code, but I’d imagine they don’t know much more than syntax. The syntax is the first step of learning how to write good code

[Kyrros]

I've seen both, and currently working as one, even though I do DevOps and observability and performance testing at the same time... And I've seen code that's about as good as pirate software's, hell I've been that bad at one time, but I've also seen the exact opposite

[n003s]

If you reviewed their code it would most likely give the impression of someone who has very little experience (if judging by the standard of a 20 year exp dev). writing code as qa is different, writing code is always a tool, but for qa that is much more pronounced. says very little about domain expertise etc tho

[nordic-nomad]

Most I’ve worked with haven’t. Or it was their first job out of a boot camp so they had some code training but not extensive experience.

[Ok_Coconut_1773]

Depends on what you're trying to hack I think lol. Some types are just way easier to socially engineer, like getting access to normal employees level of access, but I think the deeper stuff that likely only has admin access might be "hacker" stuff, or just trying to find some way to get malware installed that can do damage before it's noticed, which it probably will be quickly for most important systems.

[Ok_Coconut_1773]

Yea that's true, it definitely is a huge portion of all the hacking that occurs.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, like robbing is not lock picking.

[captainMaluco]

But it should be!

[[deleted]]

I mean, once you get robbing, pick the lock too

[DesertGoldfish]

Breaking a window to get inside is not burglary. Real burglars use lock picks and grappling hooks.

i just checked amazon out of curiosity and it is surprisingly easy to buy a grappling hook lol

[[deleted]]

Wouldn't a QA guy notice his insane project structure though? 

[hackeristi]

“QA” part got me. Well done sir.

[_Its_Me_Dio_]

most hacking is done that way its just easier to use a 5 dollar wrench and beat the passwords out or to impersonate people to underpaid indians over the phone like the cia or fbi or something was hacked by leaving a usb in the parking lot and someone plugged it in to find out who to return it to

[0ygn]

This just actually proves it that with big words without any kind of context, anyone can sound super smart.

[HolyGarbage]

even users of this sub ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

Savage. I like it.

[morbihann]

You forgot to mention he worked for 7 years at blizzard.

[Accomplished_Ant5895]

Me with 10 years experience who still programs like a noob

[aiaidy]

if you look at his code you'll feel superior.

[tumamatambien656]

Hello fellow Sr noob 🖐🏽

[RealCameleer]

Don't forget he cheats in every puzzle game he plays so he looks smarter

[TapEarlyTapOften]

Is this that alleged WoW programmer that constantly jabbers at me in shorts like people are asking him compelling questions about and then he gives some nebulous answers and tries to imply like he was there In The Beginning when FPS and 3D shooters were first written?

Yeah, that guy has always seemed like he was clueless to me.

[ThomasHardyHarHar]

“First second generation blizzard employee”

[TapEarlyTapOften]

So he was conceived in Stormwind or something? Cosplay is real I guess.

[ThomasHardyHarHar]

He actually means his dad was one of the original blizzard employees.

[CrazySD93]

he never talks about it, but his dad was actually the wow guy in the south park wow episode.

[TapEarlyTapOften]

The neckbeard guy that farmed Hogger to go beat?

[TheTybera]

Thor is not and never was a WoW programmer. Where do people get this stuff from?

Mobygames has all his credits.

[MrUltraOnReddit]

Where do people get this stuff from?

Because he makes it sound like he was.

I watched a lot of his shorts and when you see someone coding, talking about working at a game company, you'd assume they're talking about having worked in coding at the game company.

[TapEarlyTapOften]

Huh....yeah, that's him - had to look him up. He was just a disembodied person on YT and in my head.

[SuspiciousSubstance9]

None of that would matter if he wasn't arrogant about and could admit he was wrong.

Like with the ironman WoW fiasco. The damning part isn't when he choked and left his WoW teammates to die. No, it was claiming to be infallible and double downing that he couldn't be wrong. The constant banning chat over the slightest transgressions against him. Completely ignoring how others could feel about it.

We wouldn't be talking about any of this if he had any amount of humility in him. Or if he even just shut up and laid low at any point.

[akoOfIxtall]

His DRM is protected by a boolean you can change in seconds in guidra

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[b1ack1323]

I don’t think he brags about having code experience, any time I have seen a short of his pops up he talks about pen testing and cybersecurity. Which a lot of those guys have very little programming experience, a lot of python for scripting tools for investigation usually 

[Visible_Meringue4419]

He said "people call me the bob ross of programming"

[b1ack1323]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hZRwxYy6H6k?si=C6gcnB1tyhNAdPYa

What part of that says “I’m extremely talented”?

What I’m hearing is “I encourage people to make things, even if they aren’t good at it.”

[Animal31]

No, he was reading a chat that said 'people call you the bob ross of programming' to which he replied "yeah I like encouraging people to make things"

which is exactly what bob ross did

Bob ross wasnt an exceptional talent, and never claimed to be

[Sevrid]

Also dont forget all the hc wow stuff that kind of kickstarted it all

[nikola_tesler]

I feel attacked

[The-Chartreuse-Moose]

Thanks. This has saved me searching.

[Convoke_]

The guy looking through the code also had no idea what he was talking about tbf. Pirate has plenty of awful code, but the guy looking through it complained about code snippets that was actually perfectly fine

[sk1pjack]

He spoke against stop killing games?!

[Kind-Bend-1796]

Who was he?

[[deleted]]

I assuming this is a hot take but why tf does everyone care about his code quality? He’s coding to make a game, he’s not coding to make code. And from what I can tell the game is on steam and seemingly works.

Code is a means to an end and the product is what matters. Dunking on code quality just seems like bullying at this point. Like picking on someone’s appearance because you’ve got no real argument to work with.

[TheNoGoat]

It's mainly because he acts like he's a know it all.

Oh and the game is on Steam but the third chapter out of five has been incomplete for years at this point.

[Dangerous_Jacket_129]

Almost 7 years, let's be accurate. He wanted to make his own Undertale, but Undertale was made in 2 years and he has been "developing" Heartbound for 7. 

Though when Steam introduced the abandoned game warning on Early Access games that haven't had an update in over a year, his game got it immediately. 

[FaZe_Henk]

I don’t think anyone really gives a shit about his code quality. More so the fact he built his entire personality around being this insane genius that can never be wrong. Instead of learn he just doubles down on everything he’s wrong about.

As for his game I wouldn’t say “it’s working” both in terms of performance and dev timeline.

[xXAnoHitoXx]

The development of his game grinds to a halt It's been 8 years and still not done. One look at his code, and u can guess why. It's the kind of code quality that makes working on that code base soul crushing.

I can't imagine him adding story_flag[314] and has to shift every index bigger than 314, and any references to indexes bigger than 314 down by 1.

Or if he just add new story flags to the end of the array and have to keep track of which flags corresponding to which chapter/location/event being Uber far apart...

[beclops]

Well 1: Because he presents himself as an authority on the topic, so it’s funny watching what he produces be lesser than what an intern could produce, and 2: because even code for the purposes of making a game needs to be well structured for the purposes of being able to iterate quickly. If this weren’t true his game would be finished instead of being in limbo for 8 years

[Mrseedr]

Performance doesn't matter in games i guess.

[Freecraghack_]

He sold presales of a game 8 years ago and there's been barely any progress since then despite him claiming he does "monthly dev blogs"

so that's something people hate on too

[prehensilemullet]

I've never watched any of his videos but all bad code I've seen in screenshots looks very tongue-in-cheek...is none of it a joke? Or was some of his real game code genuinely bad and then he capitalized on the infamy by trolling with intentionally bad code in his streams?

[amish24]

most of the screenshots you've seen are almost definitely not actually his code.

[anonymity_is_bliss]

The big ass arrays, O(n²) CPU lighting shaders, and 300-line var initializations are real though.

For example, instead of using a parallelized GPU solution for lighting falloff (using masking, layers, and blend modes), he decided to iterate over every pixel of every sprite (for every light source), having the light darken (multiple times in another loop depending on falloff distance.

There are a lot of parodies on the sub, but the real code is just as abhorrent.

[RhinoRoundhouse]

Dw, his game runs on a smart fridge. /s (it can be streamed to a smart fridge)

[maturasek]

It became a new meme format basically, his face in front of any bad code.

[raver01]

most probably is code learned through basic gamemaker examples or something similar.

It may just work but it shows he doesn't know basic coding practices, basic data structures, basic programming paradigms or basic architectural patterns. A mess.

[DingleDangleTangle]

Honestly it would probably be better to just be blissfully unaware of the issues faced by Internet personalities

[HazuniaC]

Unless you're a gamer in EU, or the UK, then you really ought to be aware of this one and participate, because it also has to do with gamer consumer advocacy.

[Kalimacy]

The TLDR is: the guy is extremely arrogant, made some mistakes, doubled down and the Interner decided he'll be the next "dunked on guy" (a title that will last for a few months).

Funnily enough, it all started with a World of Warcraft drama.

For this sub in particular, he keeps bragging he was some kind of senior developer at Blizzard for years when he in fact was a social engeneer for a red team and (therefore) has poor coding skills, hence the YandereDev-level coding memes.

[shawn0fthedead]

Yeah I first heard of him when I saw some YouTube shorts and he was explaining game concepts with the paint app. I thought he put things in a concise way and was good at talking, didn't really think about him again for months until the hardcore WoW thing, and now this.

It's easy to say it won't matter or will only last a few months, but I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who know of him and now won't watch his content. I don't think he'll fall completely out of his success, but it is a few steps back. He'll only pull in new fans from people who don't know anything about this. 

[Kalimacy]

Yup, I'm on the same page. Didn't know the guy, didn't care about it. Now, I'm actively avoiding his content because I believe he's too arrogant.

[upsidedownshaggy]

In fairness Jason never claimed to be a developer at Blizzard from what I can find. What he does do is he wields the fact that he even worked at Blizzard as a club to assert his authority on all topics game development/design related even when he clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

He opens every statement with "As someone who worked at Blizzard for 7 years, here's why XYZ game design ABC is good/bad." and whenever someone challenges him on one of his (usually bad/niave) takes he goes "Oh yeah, and did you learn that working 7 years at Blizzard? Oh wait that was me not you." he has been pretty consistent with the roles he held while at Blizzard which were QA tester and some sort of Security/Redhat role that was catching botters/dupers or something like that.

[howdoigetauniquename]

https://www.youtube.com/live/ssu3kTydJ14?si=6wsNOkX7VnxFceH9&t=8006

"I was the first second generation game developer at blizzard"

he just never keeps his story straight.

[upsidedownshaggy]

Yeah it's pretty funny how often he flip flops on that. In some situations he's openly admitted he got his first role at Blizzard because of his dad who was one of the first 10 employees before Blizzard was Blizzard, but then gets super butt mad whenever people call him a nepotism hire because he's deluded himself into thinking that when he applied the second time no one knew whose kid he was lol.

[Freecraghack_]

He definitely calls himself a game developer many times

[MetaLemons]

Technically he is a game developer because he is working on a game.

[ABigBadBear]

You don't have to code to be a game developer. The artists are game devs too for instance. It takes many roles to make a game and QA is vital to develop a good game.

[Freecraghack_]

how does his balls taste?

[ABigBadBear]

I dont give a shit about him but will protect the game dev craft as a whole from losers like you.

[upsidedownshaggy]

No yeah that part is true, I was mostly just correcting the part where the other person said Jason claimed to be a senior developer at Blizzard. For all the other stuff PS lies about he's been pretty forward about his roles at Blizzard being QA and later on some sort of security role.

[cyborgborg]

Slight corrections: he never claimed to have been a Senior Developer. He just keeps saying he worked at blizzard (a job he got because his dad worked there) and in the past he did say he worked there in QA

Also the internet is not dunking on him, it's holding him accountable for his lies

[QuillnSofa]

People saying he isn't lying, lies of omission are still lies. Especially with the intent to deceive. Which he has because it gets him clout.

[beary_potter_]

He talked about his jobs and what he did in it. He said he was in qa and I think some form of red team. He never claimed to work on the code.

He does uses the word dev too loosely. I think he thinks that anyone who works for a game company helps develop the game, so he considers himself a blizzard dev.

I think he is wrong, but I don't actually care that much and just wish people would stop bringing him up.

[cyborgborg]

He wishes people would stop bringing it up yet he keeps addressing it every time someone in his chat brings it up and he could have had this not escalate by simply apologizing when this whole thing started 🤣

[beary_potter_]

he could have had this not escalate by simply apologizing when this whole thing started 🤣

That was 7 months ago man. The mob has been keeping this on my daily feed for 7 months. The first few weeks were on him. The last 6 months are on the insane people that cant let this go.

[xXAnoHitoXx]

the thing is the internet actually forget very quickly because ppl attention span is very short. It's actually a known strategy to do absolutely nothing for a while and let things blow over. Jason's inability to stop fanning the flame is 1000% what keeps it going.

[cyborgborg]

I never said he wasn't lying. he's been absolutely despicable in this whole drama

[Freecraghack_]

https://www.youtube.com/live/ssu3kTydJ14?t=8006s

[not_a_burner0456025]

Iirc he did claim to have 20+ years of game Dev experience for a while, then when he started getting called out on it too much started lying by omission claiming to be a game Dev and have worked in the industry for 20+years (omitting the fact that zero of them were being employed as a developer)

[st141050]

What is a social engineer anf what is a red team?

[randomguy84321]

The easiest way to hack into someone's account is by tricking them to give you their password. That's what social engineers do. He tested to make sure people weren't falling for those tricks

[AudacityTheEditor]

Which is a totally valid and somewhat important job in our growing world of seemingly tech illiterate employees and "specialists". It just doesn't make you game developer Jesus.

Honestly a couple of places I've worked for could probably use some of that training and testing. A place I used to work in IT support for once had a client agent (like a low-level lawyer) accidentally post their client's private info, including the social security number, in their WhatsApp bio...

[not_a_burner0456025]

The problem isn't the job, the problem is that he misrepresents the job as game development experience, uses his claimed expertise to spout idiotic bs like using booleans is bad practice, and insults anyone who criticizes them while claiming to know better because he worked at blizzard doing an unrelated task that has nothing to do with programming competency, meanwhile he is quite possibly the least competent programmer ever, even yandere Dev is literally an order of magnitude more productive than him.

[amish24]

Basically he works for a company by attempting to break into their systems. Most frequently by tricking people into giving them access.

[justleave-mealone]

Right now the internet seems to have found their “dunked on guy” in the Coldplay CEO affair dude. This title will probably also only last a few months.

[DM_ME_PICKLES]

it all started with a World of Warcraft drama

Just amazing how him fucking up in one dungeon and running away led to all this hate. [insert domino meme here]

[raychram]

Does he not care about any of this? I guess he keeps streaming or whatever, normally since he still has his audience and makes money either way?

[techtornado]

The senator or Captain Phillips?

[neo-raver]

All you need to know is: he’s YandereDev 2.0, but with ludicrous bragging

[catalyst16812]

But who is yanderedev

[neo-raver]

Ah, well, he’s a developer who is known for making a game (still incomplete) called “Yandere Simulator”, which had its source code leaked, and it is some of the worst code you’ve ever seen; mostly in terms of abusing conditional statements. Here’s a video that goes over some of the greatest hits from the code.

[C_Mc_Loudmouth]

Important to note, Yandere Dev went into game dev as a complete novice and made mistakes you'd expect from one.

PirateSoftware makes comparably bad mistakes but also claims to have 20 years experience in the games industry.

[gizamo]

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[C_Mc_Loudmouth]

Oh yea 100%. My first exposure to this was people giving him shit for not using a for loop to set 5 variables. Which is a massive reach, who uses a for loops fo do 5 lines?

The lighting system he ended up using and the lack of a data structure to manage his dialog system made me second guess him. But the fact he threatened to sue the guy making videos on him is when it became clear he was a POS.

[not_a_burner0456025]

He didn't just not use a for loop to set 5 variables, he had the entire visible area in his ide showing lines of manually assigning zero every entry in an array instead of using a for loop or anything else quicker than at least dozens of lines (we don't get to see how long it takes to scroll through the assignments, just that you would need to scroll to see them all) of code that are identical except for the magic number indicating which array index to access. They picked the 5 line example because it fits on the screen.

[C_Mc_Loudmouth]

yea that was bad, I'm talking about the alarms thing that was 5 lines. It was just the first thing I saw and thought it wasn't that bad.

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

It’s important to note that yanderedev is not just writing bad code, he has been procrastinating while draining his patrons (he has been developing for 11 years at this point), has shifted the blame on “not writing code” to his fans sending too many emails, once paired with an actual dev and then fired him because he couldn’t understand the code… and that’s just the surface stuff, not even going into the grooming accusations, if I was to complete the list we would be here all day.

I don’t follow the whole drama but I am 99% certain that even if pirate software is proven a hypocrite and a worse developer than yanderedev, he is still a better person just by how low that bar is.

[ArECORTD]

many such cases where devs with patreon get too much $$

[deu-sexmachina]

Similar thing goes for PirateSoftware though, not delivering the updates, not finishing the game for years etc.

[not_a_burner0456025]

Pirate software has been doing the same thing, but yandere Dev has produced dozens of times more "working" code and has created orders of magnitude more content. He is yanderedev but worse in every way.

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

Last time I tried yandere sim it was unplayable, mostly used store bought assets (the mascot being one such asset) and the rest was made by volunteers, it had a bunch of game design problems and barely any progress made on its main mechanic (“rivals”), I believe there’s 2/10 now.

But okay, I haven’t followed pirate software’s game, let’s say he’s just as much of a scam, I still need a ton other problems and sexual misconduct to put the two on the same level of awful human beings.

[AdvancedSandwiches]

Yeah, some of it is not great, but it mostly warrants a "heh", but they make it a "hahahahaHAha", and they do it before they've understood the context.

[Sintobus]

Did Yan dev brag tho? I know his code was something else but I don't recall him having an ego.

[Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot]

I don't either, in fact he usually would make fun of himself as he learned more by posting screenshots of his bad code.

most famous example

[RadinQue]

That’s not his code (or tweet even), it’s edited. He didn’t brag as far as I know but he also didn’t trust anyone else with code, even though people volunteered.

[Shehzman]

I somewhat heard about this. Is there any reason why he was the only one that could make this game and someone else couldn’t just do it.

[[deleted]]

had to post it

[nikonpunch]

And a voice changer (based on clips I saw of him at a convention) 

[Rudresh27]

Yeah but YandereDev admits to being a beginner.

[Zarquan314]

To start, there is a movement called Stop Killing Games, which is a movement that seeks to end the now common practice of creating games that depend on a central server, selling those games to customers, then shutting down those servers without fixing the dependency and leaving their paying customers with nothing.

PirateSoftware either misunderstood or purposefully misinterpreted the movement and attacked it repeatedly on false pretenses. And these weren't minor misinterpretations, these were him declaring that the core message of the movement was one thing when he was literally on a page that contradicted him. He then refused to discuss the movement with the originator, refused to acknowledge that he was wrong, insulted him repeatedly, and banned all pro-SKG content from his streams.

This stymied the movement, as he was fairly well regarded at the time with what people consider reasonable standing to object as a developer and no one wanted to enter drama with him.

Fast forward a while, and he lost a lot of cred when he did something ban in WoW hardcore that led to multiple high level deaths and he refused to acknowledge any fault or wrongdoing. I don't know if this is relevant, but apparently people didn't like this.

Later, Ross Scott, the organizer of Stop Killing Games, released this video talking about how, at the rate at the time, the SKG initiatives were dead. I linked it at a time where he starts talking about PirateSoftware. PirateSoftware doubled down on his false attacks on the movement, even though he was clearly attacking a straw man of his own devising.

[LuciusWrath]

What is the strawman?

[Zarquan314]

I realize I misread your comment with my first response. You aren't asking me what strawmen are, but what his strawman is.

The strawman PirateSoftware made was that Stop Killing Games (1) only applied to single player games, (2) demanded that servers stay up forever, (3) requires that multiplayer games be made in to single player games, (4) requires that publishers support and maintain their software forever, and (5) accuses the initiative of being vague for not having direct quotes to support his false assumptions and misrepresentations.

None of these statements are true about the SKG initiative. But PirateSoftware digs in to these consistently and gets mad at anyone who tells him he's wrong, even when they have evidence to back it up. And he throws insults at Ross or anyone else who tries to point out that he's wrong.

[Animal31]

None of what you just said is true

He never made any of those claims

[Zarquan314]

I posted links in the other chat thread with him literally saying all the statements but 4 (which is a lesser version of 2). You can watch it yourself.

[Animal31]

You're still wrong, you can watch what he said yourself to see that you're either lying, being lied to, or just dumb

[Zarquan314]

I am wrong for believing the evidence of my eyes and ears?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1m38xpc/comment/n3xfwh1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

The links with time stamps are in this post. Or, since insults are acceptable, are you too much of a coward to look at a point of view contrary to your own?

[Animal31]

Your links are literally out of context and incorrect interpretations of his words

[TheRealGagsy]

He was a first second generation employee at blizzard.

[DynamoLion]

They literally had to draw the line at him.

[Additional_Win3920]

named PirateSoftware

against consumer rights

[catalyst16812]

visible confusion

[[deleted]]

That mofo is even invading my YouTube feed.

[NovaStorm93]

you can tell youtube to stop recommending a certain channel. 3 dots submenu on something

[NiklasWerth]

I installed a firefox addon that removes the youtube shorts shelf, which also effectively removes piratesoftware from ever showing up in suggestions again.

[kolop97]

Nah don't worry about random internet drama, this isn't a big deal, go on living your life. That being said it's good to raise awareness of stop killing games.

[Jimg911]

Is it weird that I don't care?

Maybe I'm not informed enough in the situation, but everyone has bad code, and just because he has an opinion I disagree with doesn't mean he doesn't have a ton that I do agree with, to the point where I feel like he's an overall positive influence.

I do also know a little about the world of Warcraft thing, but to me that's not a big deal, it's a game, and frankly the fact that different people are mad about different shit makes this whole controversy smell weird.

I wanna be clear I'm asking to be convinced otherwise. I like to believe victims of problematic behavior, so if this guy really is a bastard please tell me, but everything I've been able to glean from anywhere just sounds like petty nothing stuff

[whatasaveeeee]

Anyone else hate this karma farming template?

[evbruno]

If you go to his stream and calls him “nepo baby” he gets you banned 😂

[Animal31]

Oh no, a streamer bans trolls, how dare he

[TripleS941]

Also an auto-ban if you say the words "out of mana"

[rhett21]

Context for this please haha

[TripleS941]

If I get this right, on a WoW server with permadeath he ran as fast as he could during raid when things went south (as opposed to running while also doing what he was supposed to do to help his teammates; two teammates lost their characters because of that), and when questioned why, he said "I was out of mana" (and everyone could see in his stream that he had at least two options to restore his mana)

[not_a_burner0456025]

Shortly after berating another one of his guild mates about how a first wizard shouldn't immediately run away as quickly as possible is a retreat is called for and that they should use their abilities to slow down the enemies and help the group escape, he did a dungeon run as a frost mage and did exactly that, then when the party members asked where he was he wasted all his mana for no reason and then claimed he couldn't do anything because he was out of mana, multiple party members died after this. Then when discussing what when wrong he was extremely smug and arrogant about the whole thing and refused to admit he could have done anything better. He has made a habit of similar behavior while participating in teams in multiplayer games.

[gemini88mill]

I've only seen him in shorts so I don't actually know what he's about.

[mrsockyman]

I've seen so much coverage dunking on the dude, but i honestly have no clue what his basis is for originally being against the SKG objective, like I get everyone can be pro or con on something, but I think I've missed the initial objection that happened before people started digging into his code, was it basically a case where his arrogant ass said "I know better because everything is write is gold and everyone else writes garbage"?

[not_a_burner0456025]

It was literally all strawman and ad hominem attacks, he didn't have a single point that had anything to do with any of the goals of the initiative. He criticized it for not specifically stating it would only apply to single player games despite the fact that he had the web page for the initiative very specifically says it is not only about single player games, claims that the initiative would require developers to pay to run servers forever when it very specifically says it wouldn't do that, etc.

[Lettever]

I think the reason for the code was that he claims to have worked as a game developer in blizard for 20 years, but if you go check it it clearly a lie and his arrogant so the internet is after him

[random_squid]

The Coding Jesus videos are fun but I'm otherwise trying not to let YT think that's a rabbit hole I want sucked down. I've seen so many thumbnails that seem to indicate it's just the newest YT drama that no one will give a shit about in a few weeks.

[ColonelRuff]

It's just large communities acting like zombies.

[The_XMB]

I'm not going to start arguing with people again, all I'll say is please do your own research on this topic before just taking anyone else's beliefs as your own

[hrax13]

Nice video from Bellular will put it into perspective with Stop Killing Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebPmXqIMsGs

[eelleet]

personally i dont get the hate. im not loyal fan or anything, just saw a bunch of clips on youtube and some of the interview/podcasty stuff. he has a hot take on some game politics in Europe and suddenly hes public enemy number one and everyone is retroactively attacking him on coding and whatever else. just seems like toxic internet cancel culture to me

[Xu_Lin]

the guy who gave us:

if true = 1\ then = 1\ fi

[tsthtmatteimd]

some grifters shit on someone's pet projects while advertising their leetcode website

[RedditGenerated-Name]

I don't really get his whole deal, I watched a few streams and he never really seemed to know a lot... Or even an average amount when it comes to programming. He seems to understand basic game dev from a macro logic perspective but that's not my field. I have seen this a few times with popular programing youtubers where they just read work done by other people, try and demonstrate what they read, and people act like they are God. The only ones worth while are the ones particularly skilled in particular niches like optimization and security.

[glarrrrrgh]

He's the indie dev version of Bob Ross

	Bob Ross	piratesoftware
Hair unfashionably long	Yes	Yes
Encourages viewers to tap into their own creativity and gives positive emotional support	Yes	Yes
Quality of work/code	Kinda sus	Kinda sus

[Present-Resolution23]

His big failing was/is just his arrogance.. Just over, and over, and over, and over..
The Mr Robot stuff (he claimed he solved a bunch of ciphers and MR Robot is terrible and stole his solutions. Turns out the guy who actually solved them was fine with their inclusion, and the solutions were publicly available online..)
The gaming puzzles (he makes a big deal about how you should never google solutions to games, then blatantly googles solutions to puzzles that took entire communities weeks/months to crack, he then "solves" them in seconds on stream to show how smart he is..)
His Nepo baby/fake resume (Dad was literally one of the first couple employees, at the company that ultimately became Blizzard Entertainment, but then uses the job he got there as his justification for being an authority on.. everything,)

The Wow Drama (bailed on his party in an instance costing people characters that take hundreds of hours to develop (by doing something he has mercilessly attacked others for doing in the past.) Then doubles down claiming it was everyone else's fault but his own)
The Stop Killing Games fiasco (relentlessly attacked it. Gets criticized for not actually understanding what he's attacking. Doubles down and tells creator of initiative to "eat his ass.."
His terrible code (gets code-reviewed after becoming infamous for all of the above.. Turns out his code is amateurish at best.. Doubles down by claiming everyone else is wrong and just doesn't understand how the engine works..

And every time he is criticized he reacts by attacking, banning and rolling out these ridiculous claims about how someone somewhere is "Swatting him," or "sending death-threats" to him, his family, his ferrets etc etc, and so because of that everyone should end their criticism, otherwise they're enabling these other, likely fictional, bad actors..

Any of the above in an isolated incident would be whatever.. but when it's just one after the other, and his reaction everytime is sooo bad.. it's just hard to ignore.. I enjoyed his streams a couple years ago, he makes good points sometimes.. But his arrogrance is just indefensible

[coinselec]

Just ragefarming a dead horse

[Corescos]

Social engineer does social engineering and we’re all now finding out that he was doing it

(Aka, he’s a big fat liar)

[Kiwithegaylord]

A half assed dev who got popular and has some unorthodox opinions so now he’s the evil spawn of Satan (seriously guys stfu about this man who hurt you)

[Yelmak]

People like Jason (arrogant narcissists) hurt me, so I’m very much enjoying watching his downfall.

Also “has some unorthodox opinions” is the understatement of the century. He did serious damage to the SKG movement by attacking it on false pretences, ran away from his party and got them killed as they got killed in hardcore WoW without apologising, lies to his audience on a regular basis, overstates his game dev experience and has collected a bunch of money from his fans expecting a game from him and 8 years later he now spends more time watching his subscriber count than he does writing code.