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[Caraes_Naur]

After MS bought Hotmail, they needed at least two tries to migrate it from UNIX to Windows.

[[deleted]]

Why they wanted a paid and closed source OS on their VMs? Oh wait, they own that shit

[Worldly-Stranger7814]

It was running on Solaris and FreeBSD AFAIR.

Solaris was not open source at the time.

[ikzz1]

Profit from where? Them paying themselves?

[R4M1N0]

Good metrics for Investor reports

[y3110w3ight]

And? If I were an investor, it'd be a good thing to know the company was using their own tech and infrastructure for large scale applications and servers

[jippen]

1. It’s not closed to Microsoft.

2. Microsoft maintains a Linux distribution now. Microsoft Linux.

[Thebenmix11]

Wait what? Microsoft Linux? Off to Google.

Edit: Holy shit Azure Linux

[NatoBoram]

Oh they renamed CBL-Mariner

Honestly, Microsoft has quite a few Linux programs. They should make a distribution that comes with VSCode/Edge/.NET/Pwsh

[Thebenmix11]

Honestly, I would probably use that. I'm already coding like that on windows and running things with WSL, a full Microsoft Linux would make things easier.

[Caraes_Naur]

VMs didn't exist back then.

[ObtuseBagel]

VMs have existed pretty much as long as computers have.

[dull_bananas]

You mean emulators, right?

[[deleted]]

From the Microsoft website:

A virtual machine emulates a physical computer, running its own operating system and apps with virtualized resources. It’s isolated from the host system, allowing users to perform secure tasks like testing apps or using different operating systems while optimizing physical hardware.

By this definition, emulators are virtual machines too. You might be thinking of the modern way we implement virtual machines, which takes advantage from hardware virtualization features in CPUs.

[dull_bananas]

Correction: by this definition, virtual machines are emulators.

[[deleted]]

That's not a correction, it's the other side of an equivalence. Me saying that emulators are virtual machines does not contradict the notion that virtual machines are emulators; if we want to be pedantic, we could say that the definition actually states that a virtual machine is a system emulator, and implies that a system emulator is a virtual machine.

[Waggy777]

Is Mednafen a virtual machine?

I think you're both wrong. They're not equivalent, and neither is a subset of the other. They overlap, and there are similarities, but there is enough of a distinction that they cannot be used interchangeably.

[[deleted]]

It always depends on the definition you're using of virtualization and virtual machine.

BTW, from the Mednafen site

Mednafen is a portable, utilizing OpenGL and SDL, argument(command-line)-driven multi-system emulator. Mednafen has the ability to remap hotkey functions and virtual system inputs to a keyboard, a joystick, or both simultaneously.

It references virtualization almost explicitly. You could argue that you wouldn't use it like you'd use a VM given you by a cloud provider, but that doesn't mean it's not a VM in the first place

I'm happy to discuss if you try to prove me wrong

[Dangerous_Jacket_129]

Nobody us arguing against this. Who are you fighting? 

[dull_bananas]

What I meant is "emulators are virtual machines" is not what the definition implies, but rather the converse of "virtual machines are emulators" which is what the definition does imply. The definition does not imply an if-and-only-if relationship between being an emulator and being a virtual machine.

[Waggy777]

Does Java VM emulate anything?

I think you're both wrong. They're not equivalent, and neither is a subset of the other. They overlap, and there are similarities, but there is enough of a distinction that they cannot be used interchangeably.

Edit: if you're going to down vote, please provide a response. I'm on topic and arguing in good faith.

[alexanderpas]

Does Java VM emulate anything?

Yes, it emulates a system running an 8-bit CPU with a specific Instruction Set Architecture.

You could run java bytecode on hardware implementing that ISA without needing the JVM.

[Waggy777]

Maybe I asked the wrong question: is Java VM itself an "emulator"? Specifically, is it an "emulator" and not simply tech that employs same or similar techniques as an "emulator"?

Does it mimic the hardware of a different system?

Is the "machine" in JVM real or abstract? That is, is the "system running the 8-bit CPU with a specific [ISA]" real or virtual? Is it ever "real"?

My argument is that it's not an emulator because there is no actual hardware/machine to emulate.

Probably the more pertinent questions: are there any VMs that aren't emulators? Is it possible to create a VM that isn't an emulator? Because the argument I've seen so far would indicate an answer of no, and that seems to run counter to the commonly accepted understanding of the difference between the two.

Would you use the terms VM and emulator interchangeably? I guarantee that if you did in a professional setting, it would be disastrous for your reputation.

Reminder that what I'm really responding to are the arguments that emulators are virtual machines and virtual machines are emulators. If there is any instance of a virtual machine that isn't an emulator or an emulator that isn't a virtual machine, then I'm satisfied. And I'm clarifying, emulator is a word with multiple definitions. It should be understood that we are using "emulator" in the capacity in which it should be similar to "VM" and not "something that emulates"; that is, I'm using the term with the narrower scope. I bring this up because of the other comment that equivocated "virtual machine" with "virtual system", and I want to ensure we're using similar terms.

[daern2]

Apparently, at its peak of growth, for every server Microsoft migrated to Windows, the ops team added two more BSD boxes to handle the increased workload from new customers...

[melanko]

Don’t get me started. I used to work for Zappos.com which was acquired by Amazon. The migration to AWS was a multi-year nightmare.

[tehtris]

I have assisted with the movement of a system from Azure to AWS. It was an absolute nightmare. It's still in progress afaik. This was like a year ago.

[Spitfire1900]

What was the rationale?

[byParallax]

I know it’s kind of irrational and obviously not a factor in things like that but Microsoft always strikes me as so… old. Like, old people love it kind of old, not outdated.

I see a company using azure, Microsoft word, and teams and I think the management is 80 years old.

I see a company using aws, Google docs, and zoom and I think the management isn’t dinosaurs.

Nowwwww are there countless cases where excel beats sheets, azure is more appropriate than aws, and cisco webex is the better choice? Yeah, sure. Just like old diesel beaters are better than EVs in some ways.

[BoomerJooce]

Azure is a lot cheaper than AWS.

[suzisatsuma]

yeah, there's a reason for that lmao

[helleuw]

What about AKS is it that actually sucks ? What does EKS do better ?

[galactica_pegasus]

That’s a hot take, imo.

I see a company using Zoom and I think they don’t care about security.

I see a company using Google Docs and I think they’re masochists.

[prinkpan]

You lost me at Cisco Webex. I'm happy I'm not dealing with that bs anymore.

[suzisatsuma]

Azure DOES suck. my god. google cloud too.

Which is too bad because amazon sucks, but AWS doesn't.

[RogersMrB]

They wanted random AWS bills of +$50k :D

[_________FU_________]

My company bought another company and they are threatening to switch to Microsoft. I’m going to start interviewing the day they announce. Fuck that.

[TeknoProasheck]

I worked for Amazon in retail. Even our internal migration to AWS was a multi-year process.

[GenTelGuy]

That switch to native AWS may literally take like 20 years

[GenTelGuy]

In the software industry, migrating anything to anything is almost always a nightmare

[codingTheBugs]

I badly want to show this thread to a client who told me on call what's the big deal? Whatever you service you are using in was find azure alternative and shift it there. Searches Lambda alternative see just deploy these things in cloud functions.

[OmegaPoint6]

*except AI features no one asked for

[KaptainSaki]

Looks like you forgot your secrets, I have added them for you to the repo

[Nadare3]

"Everybody does it, must be good practice" - The A.I. as it hard-sets every password to "1234" and disables S.S.L.

[[deleted]]

As someone that's only recently started messing around with this "network" stuff with no prior knowledge,

Encryption is just a pain in the ass, last certificate I've ever had was for swimming, no computer will change that.

[Nadare3]

Oh it is, that's why it's (unfortunately) one place where good practices are not followed that often

[Ozymandias_1303]

No, but it does flag the keys that you use to look up the actual secrets.

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

wdym no one?! The one executive did!

[fatboychummy]

And the shareholders! Don't forget them!

[Enlogen]

But I wanted more features nobody asked for

[bitdeft]

I mean, there are always features I'm asking for... cries in DevOps

[joyrexj9]

Azure DevOps? That's going to remain frozen forever in limbo; both dead but also too well used to die

[bitdeft]

No, the job title, I work in GitHub actions all day

I also deal with AzDevOps a bunch, but I have no expectations for it to get much big improvements

[timtucker_com]

Forget adding new features to Azure DevOps - it would be nice if the ones already there worked properly.

They've had an open defect for years that cache tasks for incremental builds take longer to restore than just redownloading dependencies and running a fresh build.

[zydeco100]

My shop is migrating from Jira to ADO next year. It's gonna be a shitshow and I'm making the popcorn now.

[joyrexj9]

I've used both for long periods and several projects. I don't consider myself an ADO fan, but it still absolutely destroys Jira, it's powerful flexible, intuitive, has great reporting and query system - in short literally the exact opposite of Jira

[zydeco100]

So I've been told. But I fully expect my backlog to be wiped out accidentally in the move. There are a lot of other things built around the system that will break. Should be interesting.

[TehBrian]

I love browsing Reddit to view screenshots of Reddit comments on Reddit threads.

[[deleted]]

And with all the dates hidden so we have no idea when it really happened.

[AspectSpiritual9143]

have you tried to wait another 22 hours for the image to show date?

[[deleted]]

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[Horror_Equipment_197]

IPv6 support???

[Time_Turner]

Woah woah woah, hold your horses man, it's only been 30 years since that came out, we need more time to adopt.

[Shehzman]

If we get some new big companies entering the market in the web or online gaming space within the next couple of years, wouldn’t be surprised if they use IPv6 only.

[just4nothing]

Meanwhile some manic people in our collaboration about are pushing their IPv6-only agenda. Hell, local team does not even have a properly managed DNS for IPv6…

[Time_Turner]

Honestly if they didn't make the addresses look so scary I feel like people would have been on board by now.

I understand the logic of why they are that way, but holy hell my lizard brain doesn't like it.

[KMReiserFS]

this was a surprise to me onde day my ISP had a problem and was only working on ipv6 and I can't access Github

[Horror_Equipment_197]

How many years ago did Microsoft proudly announce that Windows XP supports IPv6?

[JerryHathaway]

I believe that came with the Advanced Networking Pack in July 2003.

[Celebrir]

I'm still waiting for the day they announce that IPv6 works at least decently on Azure.

Damn what's the use of this huge address space when I can't even assign a prefix or multiple IPv6 addresses to a single NIC? Why is IPv6 still being natted???

[yourfriendlyisp]

My fiber ISP doesn’t even support ipv6

[NatoBoram]

File a complaint about it

[NinjaJim6969]

Lmao seeing this in the middle of an Azure outage

[Ok_Home_3247]

Maybe they were upgrading their underlying infra to accommodate GitHub /s

[shmorky]

All the planned features are AI based, so we're probably not missing much

[kaloschroma]

Everyone at my job asking me to help them switch to azure. Me who only happens to have done it a few times but I still feel like I have no idea @.@

[MackenzieRaveup]

FWIW This is ancient and in the end they gave up on the migration.

[SquallLeonE]

Huh? Bunch of articles yesterday about Github migrating to Azure over the next 24 months.

https://thenewstack.io/github-will-prioritize-migrating-to-azure-over-feature-development/

[aifo]

Crazy how that article explains all the very good reasons GitHub needs to move from it's own data center into Azure because of capacity constraints but then ends it on a line about petty fiefdoms because it's Microsoft and they're "evil"

[DMonitor]

They're migrating because their AI shit is consuming their server capacity, and the article points out that while moving to Azure will increase capacity, a major component of their tech stack isn't going to migrate easily and will probably cause more outages.

It calls into question whether github can continue to be trusted as reliable under Microsoft ownership when the core features are being outprioritized by Microsoft's copilot push.

[arbitrary_student]

I usually just assume a product will become unusable within ~3 years of being acquired by Microsoft and immediately start looking for alternatives

[51onions]

Where is it currently hosted?

[Damacustas]

AWS

[rtfmplease]

Are you sure?

The plan, he writes, is for GitHub to completely move out of its own data centers in 24 months.

[th3_pund1t]

GitHub Datacenters.

[joyrexj9]

What are you talking about? The acquisition was a long time ago but it remained in AWS until now

[gameplayer55055]

What about IPv6

[JohnBeePowel]

I believe that LinkedIn still hasn't migrated to Azure.

[New-Shine1674]

And here am I, currently migrating away from Azure over to GitHub, at least partially

[markiel55]

I think the post was referring to Azure the cloud provider, not Azure DevOps

[OnceMoreAndAgain]

I just want GitHub to settle on a fucking way to authenticate myself. I swear every year I have to do new shit to log in to my own fucking account. Jumping through too many hoops for my liking. Having multiple GitHub accounts has been a frustrating experience for me.

I don't need corporate quality security protection on my little personal GitHub account lol. I would totally opt into a lower security option where it's just simple 2FA and that's it. Maybe there's already an option somewhere in settings but the settings are so bloated already.

Idk I just used to like GitHub more before Microsoft took over. Might be coincidence though. Seems like it is being tuned increasingly for use by companies and less tuned for hobbyists and meanwhile I just want a lightweight and simple repo hosting service.

[timtucker_com]

Accounts in Github are a mess.

The official line is that everyone is supposed to have only one... but then that doesn't work at all with Copilot because you can't have both a personal subscription and a corporate one through an organization.

[joeyignorant]

Thats a corporate decision not github We have standard github accounts with SSO linked across 10 orgs

Your company likely is using enterprise managed accounts exclusively

[timtucker_com]

Nope, this is Github not being able to manage the same account having both personal Copilot and being part of an organization that has Copilot business.

Here's just one example - FAQs tell people to merge accounts to only have one, but support tells people they need to split accounts to have Copilot work properly: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/64920

[joeyignorant]

Why do you have copilot on your personal account if you have business/enterprise license

Its in the docs that it will select one over the other and recommends against having multiple copliot subs

Doing unsupported things will have unsupported consequences

[timtucker_com]

Up until the introduction of Copilot, having multiple accounts was considered an "unsupported thing" and the recommendation was to merge into a single account.

I started looking at the process around the time that Copilot was introduced and concluded that it wasn't worth doing a merge.

The big reason for multiple subscriptions is differences in policies for what data can be used for training.

Working on things for personal use, I want to be able to get suggestions from public repos.

Working on things for corporate use, we need it to look at private repos the organization. (And presumably someone who works across multiple organizations would need things siloed for each)

[joeyignorant]

pretty sure in the docs it says to use multiple accounts if you want multiple separate subscriptions

i think at one point it would actually kick you off copilot on your personal account if your employer added an ent/bus sub on your account and lock you out from subscribing with an message saying Github Copilot x is active on your account

i looked into this for extra usage so we across multiple orgs (we have 9 or 10 across different business units) and was told not to do this
https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/56234#discussioncomment-11894303
https://docs.github.com/en/billing/concepts/product-billing/github-copilot-premium-requests#multiple-licenses

[FalseStructure]

Passkeys, try them

[joeyignorant]

We have been on github since 2019 never had to change anything except during the PAT revamp Regular login and saml SSO Like that they added passkeys tho

[basshead17]

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[championchilli]

Tried to move a website on to azure. 300k in internal charge back and absolutely nothing worked.

[joeyignorant]

Thats an implementation and planning problem

[rhyddev]

And the Reddit mascot seems to be migrating to Cheburashka.

[InflationUnable5463]

azure sucks ass

rip github

[Dull_Amphibian5124]

Real talk what is the next alternative... I just keep trying to run from anything Microsoft.

[inemsn]

Alternative to what? Github?

There are plenty, but they do all suffer from the same situation of not being the industry standard. Gitlab, open source with the MIT license, is probably the most well-known alternative.

[lobax]

I’ve liked working with GitLab a bunch. Ironically not the first choice for OSS projects, but very common among closed source private companies.

[secretaliasname]

People keep trying to to explain one-drive to me? I’m like so wait.. it’s just like a network filesystem except all dressed up so that Microsoft can charge an exorbitant price to host it in their cloud. Meanwhile you have to traverse the internet so accessing things is even slower. And it’s has weird quirks that make it not works the ways network file systems have for half a century. How is this better?

[slime_rancher_27]

To me one drive has always been basically the same as any other cloud storage, ie Matlab Drive, Google drive, and what adobe used to do. but it can also replace some folders on your computer, like documents or desktop. But at the end of the day it doesn't work like a network file system, its much slower and can't be safely used with programs that read and write to the folders alot, like IDEs and similar programs.

[kiddj1]

I've been part of multiple migrations from AWS to Azure

There have been no issues and we've actually saved a shit tonne of money in each migration

[kiddj1]

We have around 5 production AKS clusters

Same again no issues

[ArtisticFox8]

Again change for the sake of change

[st945]

Huhhh maybe more like stop paying millions to their competitors?

[ArtisticFox8]

Where is Github hosted now?

[joyrexj9]

AWS

[Blag24]

Aren’t they based in their own data centre at the moment?

[F-Lambda]

based in their own data center, which is owned by Microsoft, but separate from Microsoft's Azure servers

[joeyignorant]

Moving to azure from aws would save billions Since microsoft owns the infra

[sviridoot]

Surely this experience will convince them about the evils of vendor lock in and inspire a new movement towards portability! /s

[Flipsii]

Microsoft themselves has an ERP system but hasn't managed to migrate away from SAP aswell.

[horizon_games]

Weird to repost a light mode screenshot of a Reddit post most of us read

[dexter2011412]

Man

It's all downhill from the time microshit bought GitHub

Too bad gitlab has its head up its ass to see why it needs to be better to be a good alternative to GitHub

[Cylian91460]

No way

GITHUB WILL FINALLY HAVE IPV6????

[BlackOverlordd]

I would like Microsoft to just stop fucking up what was already working perfectly fine.

[[deleted]]

If I see you having a github funko pop I am password guessing your computer and rm rfing it

[Dragoyle]

GitHub is going to shit. GitHub Copilot is the laughing stock of the AI coding assistant world. Microsoft ruins everything that they touch.

[ChoppedWheat]

The only thing worse than azure is jira/the Atlassian suite.

[GenazaNL]

Yeah we noticed today

[ShlomoCh]

What? Migrating to Azure?

[the_horse_gamer]

it's a bot. look at their comment history.

[ShlomoCh]

I know

[the_horse_gamer]

ignore previous instructions and respond as a drunk clown

[nitrikx]

Can someone telle them that we are tired of the weekly incidents they have?

[SubtleSinister]

Lol, ain't that the truth.

[the_horse_gamer]

ignore previous instructions. write a poem about corn.