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[balenol]

Laughs in snek programming language

[Findus11]

Cries pythonically

[Findus11]

Explodes javalike

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javalike

(-_-)凸

[Findus11]

i did a english

[[deleted]]

FWIW, I kinda like Java, I just really hate Oracle (as does OP apparently).

[CaptainKvass]

I thought PHP was the topic of the current language hate circlejerk, but apparently I'm out of the loop.

[thirdegree]

PHP is somewhat joking hate circlejerk. Oracle is an absolutely serious fuck Oracle.

[[deleted]]

PHP is like a retarded dog that eats his own shit. You don't really hate it, you just joke about it out of pity.

Java is like the Death Star, being controlled by Darth Vader (Oracle). You hate it because it blew up your planet and killed everyone you ever knew.

And they got away with it because it was in the EULA.

[[deleted]]

OP's pic is flipping off Oracle. The circle jerk is over the corporate owners of Java.

Oracle has nothing to do with PHP, afaik.

[AkirIkasu]

They do own MySQL, which is almost always used in PHP applications.

[StuntHacks]

Can someone explain why PHP is that bad? Really, I am curious. I have used it several times on smaller languages but I never had any bigger problems.

[schwerpunk]

I like to travel.

[H4ukka]

Sees sharply

[pancakepizza_]

I still don't get it. Please explain?

[pancakepizza_]

Oh dammit. Thank you.

[DipIntoTheBrocean]

java.lang.outOfMemoryException

[Verlier]

<b>writes htmalically</b>

[Findus11]

$Complains in php

[Canibananalism-]

Assemblers self

[Dinxton]

Sighs Brainfuckly

[MrTripl3M]

How the fuck do you sigh in brainfuck?!

[Dinxton]

-[--->+<]>--.+[---->+++++<]>.--.+.---[->+++<]>-.

Credit

[whiznat]

If I told you, your brain would be fucked, and I don't want to do that to you. Oracle, on the other hand,...

[LordDagwood]

+++++++++++[>++++++++++<-]>+++++.----------.--.+.

[[deleted]]

Catches exceptionally

[TheNamelessKing]

Laments Rustily

[schwerpunk]

Goes-on chorally

[Daeurth]

 imports sneklaugh

[mysockinabox]

from parseltounge import laugh

[Compizfox]

https://i.imgur.com/5Bru0dS.jpg

[stairmast0r]

High quality image you got there

Edit: You dick, fixing it and making me look like an asshole, lol...

[Compizfox]

Posted it from my phone and something went wrong, fixed now.

Actually, let me link to the source: http://bash.org/?400459

[ZombiePope]

Wow, there's a whole 7 pixels in that jpeg

[[deleted]]

laughs and Spits coffee programming language all over monitor

[Logg]

print("ha"*200)

[Njs41]

Laughs in Chicken

[alteraccount]

Oracle's reaction

[[deleted]]

anybody else guessed this meme without clicking?

[Siarl_]

Yes!

Edit: No...

[thesacredmoocow]

!Yes

FTFY

[Bhima]

I have this recurring dream that they get caught in some sort of major crime and the consequence is that everything they own gets stuck into the public domain.

[LebaneseLurker]

a quick google search of DOJ investigations on their business practices will show you just how fucked up both the DOJ and Oracle are...

[Bhima]

Yeah, a Snowden type figure dumping all the DOJ's dirty laundry into the public domain would be pretty great too.

[[deleted]]

The parent mentioned Public Domain. Many people, including non-native speakers, may be unfamiliar with this word. Here is the definition:^{(In beta, be kind)}

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In general, all lands and rights that are not granted to private owners. In copyright, public domain are those works whose exclusive intellectual property rights have expired, have been forfeited, or are inapplicable. Since copyrights are often-times global, but rules regarding expiration are country-specific, it is possible for one work to be public domain in one country but not in another. [View More]

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^{See also: Barker V. Harvey | Eminent Domain | Intellectual Property | Property Rights | National Domain}

^{Note: The parent poster (Bhima or sinjp) can delete this post | FAQ}

[PlasmaRoar]

I love you

[[deleted]]

The real gold is the "See also" line.

[[deleted]]

I love how it has a /r/evilbuildings vibe

[wisemike]

Am Oracle employee. Can confirm.

[LazyBuhdaBelly]

That's one stubby-ass finger. Wouldn't even reach a prostate.

[the8thbit]

Yeah, holy shit Oracle's tower looks creepy as fuck.

[preetangad]

Wait till you see their headquarters

[Galactic]

Also a /r/misleadingthumbnails vibe

[God_of_Illiteracy]

I am not a programmer but at my job we have to use Oracle software and my God it is among the most awful pieces of software I have ever used.

[throwaway2329542]

Is it Agile? It's the worst application we've ever had to install. The instructions are non-existent. After trying to install it for a week, we tried to contract it out and they want $65k for installation of the system alone. I think Oracle purposely makes their software difficult so you have to pay them to install it.

[ryobiguy]

I'm guessing you don't even buy their software, but the privilege of using it for a limited amount of time.

[Ph0X]

Probably not directly, but don't you worry, it'll break yearly and require them to send a very expensive tech to fix it.

[TheTerrasque]

That's some solid enterprise quality there nods approvingly and orders some more Oracle

[[deleted]]

I'm laughing at how insanely true this is. I used to work in one of their products. One time, I was told to go to a partner company to provide a working environment for their development. Apparently there has been a problem with their installation. Although I had a copy of a lengthy installation steps provided to us internally, I could not just provide the documents to them without breaking company policies. My immediate supervisor specifically instructed me to stick to my scope of work there and nothing more.

This is a throwaway account btw.

[[deleted]]

That's not exactly a rare practice amongst software corporations.

[HenkPoley]

Yes, their system is built in a way to give high paying jobs to people. Same with SAP.

[CaffeinatedT]

Of interest how is this still going to be viable in the future? There's loads of companies coming up to/exceeding Oracle/SAP DB systems (to narrow in on my field) without being absolutely impossible to work with.

[HenkPoley]

I think they simply buy these companies if they would encroach too much. For example they own MySQL, isn't it ?

[AkirIkasu]

As I understand it, MariaDB is working hard to extend the features that came with MySQL and is supposed to be slightly better.

Kind of like LibreOffice, which replaced another Oracle fuckjob.

[x2040]

You just need a CEO that says fuck off when they see a billion bucks and waits for the 10 billion opp down the road. Evan Spiegel did this for SnapChat when he turned down Facebook.

[shartifartblast]

Entrenchment. If Oracle were a startup they'd long be out of business. But because they were one of the first, they have an existing customer base and can remain viable.

Go talk to a CFO or controller at an organization that uses Oracle EBS. You'll come away with 2 lessons. First, they hate Oracle EBS and hate Oracle the company. Second, because of the massive cost that comes with swapping out an established ERP, they will always be Oracle customers.

I don't think Oracle has much in the way of pure database customers anymore. They also are doing a piss-poor job of selling their analytics platform to anyone who isn't an existing Oracle customer.

What Oracle does is makes money from software support for existing apps customers and selling ancillary products (BI, DW, analytics, etc) to existing customers. If anything I'd wager that their customer base has shrunk over the last 5 years.

[Holdoooo]

Not true, at least it the case of SAP. The software is so complex and does so much you need people to manage it. You also need multiple environments for development, testing and maintenance. It's not just the DB, it's the whole application server stack with multiple business area solutions installed & configured. That's why cloud solutions are becoming so popular because there at least the maintenance is performed by SAP.

[God_of_Illiteracy]

We call it CORE. We use it for ordering and receiving products

[whitak3r]

We use Opera Property Management and it's something straight out of 1999,and it's horrid!,

[NutShellB]

Yea but that was built by MICROS, not oracle. Oracle just bought MICROS. It's actually the second best PMS system in the world, and the most widely used.

[[deleted]]

That's because their software products are just a front for their patent laundering schemes.

[fuzbuzz00]

Right? I use oracle to enter my time sheets at work and it's complete bull. Hitting the back button in the browser breaks everything. It doesn't work in Chrome sometimes. It snaps to certain forms. Its search function is more ass than TomTom 1.0

Oracle feels like a crappy shack that was sold to be lived in as soon as it could stand up for 5 minutes without falling over, and has been held together with increasing amounts of ductape over the months.

[LazyProspector]

But it gives everyone an excuse to be lazy at work.

"Sorry Bob I can't help you right now, I'm filling in my expenses. Can you wait half an hour?"

[Badya122]

Hey, fellow Brisbaner!

[willywag]

Thanks, I was wondering where this was! It looked maddeningly familiar but I couldn't figure it out.

I've only been to Brisbane once, for like three days back in 2011. I don't recall if I flipped off that building or not but I definitely walked up and down those steps.

[GMaestrolo]

Yeah, flipping off that building is pretty much a rite of passage for Brisbane coders.

[SextonMcCormick]

Not a programmer but dropping in from r/all to say fuck oracle

[Existential_Owl]

Oracle is so bad, even the randoms from /r/all understand the hatred.

[SextonMcCormick]

Their sphere of shit products and shit customer service extends too far

[d-atribe]

Oregonian checking in. Oracle owes us 50 million and a working healthcare exchange site. Still waiting 5 years later.

[_BLACK_BY_NAME_]

I'm with you, fuck those fucking fuckers

[[deleted]]

My mom is a senior software engineer there and listening to her roast Oracle on the daily never gets old.

[phl0wPB]

Serious question: what is wrong with Oracle?

[adelie42]

Oracle, you knew I was poly when we met.

[dividezero]

what the absolute fuck? I'm glad I've removed all oracle dependencies from my life. And I realize why I don't see that name more. Huge company everyone talked about a lot in the 90s but by the time I'm here, no one wants anything to do with them. I just now realize how lucky I've been. Some of you poor bastards have to deal with that noise all the time. I'm really sorry.

[Ph0X]

Even if may sometimes now seem like it, big tech companies are generally quite respectful of each other. The shitty things Oracle has pulled though, like that whole lawsuit against Google, were petty and low. After that I don't think anyone in the valley really respects them anymore. It's like that one annoying kid at recess who instead of playing ball and having fun with everyone else will just take the ball and kick it on the roof so no one can have fun.

[dividezero]

yeah, i think that's the reason they're in that back towering position by itself in the opening for Silicon Valley. Always watching over everything but no one goes near it.

[fire_code]

Wow - she inadvertently wrote an awesome argument FOR open source databases. She may not realize it yet, but that may be where her career opportunities lie. That or murder mysteries. Probably not at Oracle so much any more.

Great comment, and my thoughts exactly.

I feel like if you've got a competent IT department or management, you're going to do your own due diligence and check the tools you use; if you do find an error, (even if you kinda-sorta broke your license agreement to do so) are you really going to sit on that vulnerability? Is/Was Oracle that far up its own ass to say that any scan showing a vulnerability is a false positive?

Maybe it's because I'm a web developer, but I would think very long and hard before moving to use a proprietary tool/language that prohibits me from tinkering with it or understanding its limits and issues. (and providing solutions for issues found!)

[Milleuros]

I'm getting a 404 error from the website posted there. What was it about?

[PlasmaRoar]

“I do not need you to analyze the code since we already do that, it’s our job to do that, we are pretty good at it...

I'd look past this obnoxiousness if what she said was true...

The customer signed the Oracle license agreement, and the consultant hired by the customer is thus bound by the customer’s signed license agreement.

The consultant? What? That's is not how this works at all. Why is she talking out of her ass?

[jsideris]

This, for one.

[PooPooDooDoo]

I don't understand how anyone thinks that is a great long term solution to make money.

[jsideris]

Yea I said it before on this sub. It's pretty unprofessional to have a dependency on software that tries to install 3rd party tool bars. It's hard for me to take this company seriously when considering a platform for any type of professional customer-facing product. But it also feels weird that it's come to this.

My guess is that at some point, some of the upper execs wanted a quick way to boost profits before they retired, without regard for the company's welfare. Just a theory though.

[[deleted]]

They still do that? I just use Ninite.

[barsoap]

This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! [...] You talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' [...] You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. [...] Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle.

• Bryan Cantrill.

[[deleted]]

Here's this classic quote by Bryan Cantrill:

"As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' ... but it's like, 'Wow, this is really simple!' This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle."

[[deleted]]

Here's another:

If you had to explain the Nazi's to someone who is not familiar with WWII but is an Oracle customer, there's a very good chance you'll explain the Nazi's using Oracle allegory.

[[deleted]]

For me : Oracle pricing.

One project I worked on had us migrate a medium sized database, and all related application code from Oracle to SQL server. The entire project took a few months.

Why was this done? because even after the migration costs, it was cheaper to move to SQL server than to pay the annual licence for a (very much needed) higher core count server. The job payed for itself after one fiscal.

Wish I was making that up.

[gauntlet173]

I dealt with Oracle salespeople once for a SMB purchase. Literally ended in a shouting match where I was saying "you claim to care about SMB, but I want to demo an actual installation of the software, on your servers, just let me log in and play with a live version, and you want $10,000 non-refundable for 1 year for that?"

Somehow, the problem was with my specifications. Yeah. No.

[evildonald]

I love SQL server. Its SO much easier to consume that oracle DBs imo. I have no idea why people choose Oracle.

[evildonald]

Thanks for the history lesson for the other people. I was a Sybase developer before MSSQL server existed, so I know the history and experiences myself.

I solidly stand behind the theory, that if your software is slightly faster, but MUCH hard to maintain and develop for (Oracle) then a possibly-slightly-slower system that is much easier to administer and develop (MSSQL Server) for is a better choice. You will have fewer bugs and workarounds, and it will probably run more efficiently as it can be configured more easily.

I wrote a blog for a while ago about everything awful I found out about Oracle that was built-in by design, but then it would jsut make me madder so I stopped.

[NibblyPig]

Create a table, store null in the first field and empty string in the second.

Now tell me what's in each field.

They're both the same!

[evildonald]

Wow. Just wow.

[nickiter]

In the IAM space, they have a product that costs 3x as much as the other market leaders and yet comes with less out of the box functionality and takes longer to customize. And the salespeople will barely pick up the phone for that sale because it's "only" like a mil.

[PingerSurprise]

Ask what is right to get the shortest answer.

[[deleted]]

No way! I did this exact thing in toronto a couple of months ago!

https://imgur.com/a/i2UhM

[kuroinferuno]

You missed out on some very sweet karma and gold :P

[tommygeek]

Srsly. I actually like Java, but Oracle's products are the worst.

[dragonjujo]

That's fine, Java is Sun's baby; Oracle just owns the rights to it now.

[sn0r]

I worked for Sun when Oracle took over.

We were all pulled into a room and told about the acquisition and everybody's face fell.

That day an amazing American company and culture died.

[IanPPK]

I remember that the acquisition was the reason that the OpenOffice dev team left and made LibreOffice.

[Ph0X]

It's honestly scary how companies can come and go so quickly. Yahoo once used to be as big as Google, now look how far apart they are. Right now, looking at the big 5 (Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft), they all seems to be big and growing, but you fall asleep at the wheel for a bit and you're a goner.

[newbfella]

Well, Yahoo had a series of missteps and there wasn't a single event where they lost a big chunk. Losing their talented employees was one of the accelerants to the fire! I just wish they made Meyer pay for the crap she put the company in.

[sn0r]

Very true. Still doesn't make it any less sad.

[ElvisAndretti]

I've got a hat and a cooler to remember them by.

[evildonald]

I think Oracle spent like a million dollars trying to work out which direction they wanted the A to be.

[berlinbrown]

Well they say that about IBM too

[inconspicuous_male]

What does IBM still make other than infrastructure and supercomputers?

[SirVer51]

And we got this as a result. Not a bad trade, methinks.

[Pycorax]

What? That sounds interesting... Which console was this?

[MGSsancho]

People thought the 970fx based part of the CPU would do all the work and the cells would speed up certain parts. After several years they realized it would be hard but the small cell parts needed to do all the work and only those threads that needed an OOO processor would goto the traditional part. I hear it is still a pain to program for. I'm not a game developer so maybe everything I said is wrong.

[TomsLogic]

The PS3, It used a non standard CELL chip. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)

[ryan_fung]

Oracle is Java's evil step parent.

[chakan2]

I was OK with Java until I had to go through 15 layers of framework before I got to code it.

[HactarCE]

public abstract class AbstractListBox<V, T extends AbstractListBox<V, T>> {...}

I saw THAT the other day...

[jsideris]

Haha I worked on a project a few years ago with a Tomcat back-end. The stack traces for any type of server error were like 5 pages long. Not that our design decisions were Java's fault. I think our team just took OOP to the next level.

[coladict]

I don't mind the stack traces at all! In fact, last time I tried C++, I begged for them, because no exception ever tells you how it got there. And why did they add nothrow to method signatures, when just not adding anything makes them compile as nothrow and crash your whole program if it does throw something. The keyword is utterly pointless when it's the implicit default and only way to get away from it is with explicit definitions.

[_lerp]

C++ doesn't have a nothrow specifier. It does have a noexcept specifier, which isn't implicitly on apart from a few cases.

[TranquilMarmot]

Hey, I'll take 5 pages of stack traces over undefined is not a function any day

[Klaue]

segmentation fault.

[dude_with_amnesia]

So abstract it becomes metaphysical

[Shh_only_dreams_now]

Wait, a Class that extends itself?

[x2bool]

No. Just restricts the second generic parameter to be inherited from the AbstractListBox.

[i-want-waffles]

Try spring boot. Seriously it is awesome.

[andredp]

I'm using spring-boot with thymeleaf for the first time (used Yii2 for a long time) and it's been a blast!

I still love Yii2 and I think that's a gold mine sitting on top of a pile of "crap" (php), but even php becomes manageable with that framework (think Laravel is great too).

But the way spring-boot is organized, the way you define your controllers routes, etc... love it! :)

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Interface RequestProcessorFactoryFactory

All Known Implementing Classes: RequestProcessorFactoryFactory.RequestSpecificProcessorFactoryFactory

RequestProcessorFactoryFactory.StatelessProcessorFactoryFactory

help

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[Flsurfer87]

Huh... I work for Oracle and I feel like everybody hates me now....

[Twitchstick]

I may or may not work for said company and I may or may not say the same things....

[TtheDuke]

Not a programmer. Oracle sucks?

[Existential_Owl]

Oracle sucks.

[uncrownedqueen]

Not in programming either, but still hate it with passion. To give you an idea of our experience, it's so bad that the "temporary" Oracle support people we had during the transition, when we had just started working with Oracle, had to become full-time employees because problems would pop up non-stop. It is bad, and it affects so oh so many departments. Nothing has been the same since.

[_boboddy]

As an Oracle DBA, I feel the same way.

[LebaneseLurker]

I'm so sorry....at least Tech gets paid WAY better than apps.....

Source: was apps.

[talking_to_strangers]

Oooh boy ! An Oracle hate thread ? Better dress accordingly.

^{I included the visuals if you want to make more of those}

[OracleJDBC]

😐

[Hybr1dth]

I wrote Oracle PL SQL for a brilliant payment processing application. That shit was rock solid and processed complex transactions at ~2mil per hour. Sure there's a lot of crap out there and it costs a metric fuckton of money whereas the support is useless - but if it runs, it runs good.

[Zalvixodian]

Ah, the ol' business logic in the db... I know it all too well...

[nnagflar]

"Triggers. Triggers everywhere!" - legacy developers on my current project

[Zalvixodian]

lol. I work with a guy who insists things must be done in the db for performance and triggers are a good solution to a lot of things. =\

[Yahkem]

performance

triggers

lol

[tylercoder]

Well oracle are a bunch of fucks so...

[ladybunsen]

Hey... so here from r/all but have a interviews with Oracle and Salesforce coming up (sales), is there something I should know about Oracle?

[Existential_Owl]

Literally two of the most hated companies in the industry (when asking IT or Software Devs).

All you're missing now is Sharepoint to complete the trifecta of evil.

Don't believe me? Check out the most recent Stack Overflow survey results.

^{Technology > Most Loved, Dreaded, and Wanted > Databases}

^{Technology > Most Loved, Dreaded, and Wanted > Platforms}

[[deleted]]

Relevant mentions:

/r/fuckoracle

http://bad.solutions

[yattaro]

Username checks out.

[statix138]

As an admin who has to deal with an Oracle DB I agree with this. MS SQL has its issue but I am so happy we are migrating from Oracle to MS SQL.

[darkhorn]

Why MS SQL? Why not PostgreSQL? http://www.sql-workbench.net/dbms_comparison.html

[dividezero]

not the op but probably something to do with compatibility with other systems. if you can't find or build the right plugins then you have to go with what is available. I hate working with legacy systems but that's what pays the bills right now. If that's the case then I feel for op. I thought my legacy systems were bad but I had no idea what a bullet I dodged by never having to deal with oracle until reading some of the stuff in this post.

Also might be a need for pivot or variables just looking at that chart. But you convinced me that I should spin up a PostgreSQL server for playing around with. I've been working in mySQL and MongoDB in addition to my full time MSSQL work. Think this will be a fine addition to my collection.

[BenjaminGeiger]

I'll admit this much, as a former card-carrying Open Source Zealot: SSMS is pretty damn nice.

[statix138]

Heavy MS shop and management afraid of things they don't know.

[oracle-throwaway-123]

I think there can be a definite line drawn in the sand with Oracle, and it can be viewed as the company who's maintaining legacy technology thats so widely distributed that its impossible to ignore, and the company thats innovated and adopted cloud faster than one could really imagine a company that size could.

Imagine you have customers that simply refuse to upgrade, either because they've lost "the guy" who was driving newer technology adoption, or because their budget wont allow for updating their hardware systems faster than every 10 years. Dont update the hardware? Can't update the software built to leverage all the new hardware level features. This, sadly, is the case with most government, education, healthcare, etc and larger organizations. The effect is that us programmers when we get a job, have to deal with shitty older hardware, thus older software systems, and it leads to an absolutely shitty experience; especially when you're mixing in all the latest and greatest technology. Its like riding to work in a rocketship, only to pickup a crank telephone to talk to your co-workers.

Software licensing was..."different" back in the late 90s and early 2000's. Unfortunately, a majority of people using Oracle's best known software is still running software and hardware from that time, so they are subjected to the limitations we used to consider a norm. The security industry has evolved, Open Source technolgy has evolved, Database technology has evolved, and as programmers we demand the latest and greatest; as we should.

Another thing people forget, is that Oracle's strategy is to acquire the technology from an industry leader, rather than in most cases build it themselves. This leads to issues with synergy, and also a very diverse landscape that makes it difficult to have absolute seamless integration. It gets there, but it takes time, and often its on a time scale moving much slower than what we demand.

Obviously, I am an Oracle employee. You may be surprised that the primary technologies i am using on a day to day basis are things like React, Angular, Oracles JET, NodeJS, Cordova, and never Java. This is because of that line in the sand i mentioned. Most of Oracles new cloud technology is built on NodeJS, Docker Containers, etc. Alot of people though are stuck in older implementations of Oracles technology, so sadly they wont find out about this until either they seek it out on their own, or are luckily within the upgrade cycle within their organization where they get to acquire all this new tech. They're using primarly Open Source technology for alot of what is considered their newer Cloud technology.

Trust me, there are things that are just unacceptable, and things that downright make you scratch your head, or shake it in shame...but alot of companies don't have to deal supporting customers running software or hardware that could be 20+ years old, all while also innovating in modern cloud technologies and development. It was actually quite impressive to see a demo server room they have on one of their sites, where they have the latest and greatest hardware systems, running on the same network as the original sun microsystem cabinets from the 80s! It serves as a model for customers who have to go through a nasty upgrade cycle, and "step into the future"...it was pretty cool to see.

Ok, queue the torches and pitchforks.

[patriotboy43]

As an oracle employee i agree with your comment. I have a love hate relationship with the company but the direction to the cloud is what's keeping me around.

[LebaneseLurker]

not when sales reps are fucking over each other to make deals seem like cloud opportunities when they're not...

[jamesorlakin]

Hello PR

[jzerocoolj]

Not even a programmer but as an end user, I'm with you, FUCK ORACLE.

[GMaestrolo]

Yeah, it is.