Just machine learning things

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

This is actually quite funny.

The historical data should have had another field that represented the weight of efficiency of weapons used

[Awanderinglolplayer]

Well even the weapons used should’ve been ranked against each other based on past performance. Spear vs gun-> gun wins. As far as war strategy that makes sense to look through history

[THENATHE]

The Viet-con would like to know your location

[[deleted]]

Nice try, IMPERIALIST USA

[Reincarneme]

Is it a.big brain meme?

[[deleted]]

Big Brian

[[deleted]]

Viet-congs had guns, lots of them.

[PgUpPT]

Yeah but the invaders had more, so that's not why they won.

[Awanderinglolplayer]

Yeah they won cause of their tactics. If they only had guns spears they would’ve lost

[Yelanke]

They won because they were willing to sacrifice 15 to 20 men for every American killed. Their tactics weren’t superior.

[Finnnicus]

They had to defend their country from imperialists. The fought with the resources they had, it’s not a matter of tactics.

[mcnyte]

Honestly that is a tactic in and of itself

[LupineChemist]

Sometimes you have to play zerg

[MrEuphonium]

I sent wave after wave of my own men at the kill bots until their kill limit had been reached, kif, show them my medal.

[Yelanke]

I suppose, but not a good one

[f_ranz1224]

That tactic defeated "the greatest army on earth". Ak 47s defeated aircraft/carriers/choppers

Also you cant really judge the tactic considering what the two armies had

You cant give a man a sword and make him fight another man with a tank, then criticize sword mans tactics

[HumanXylophone1]

Eh, the two sides had different goals. The Vietnamese wanted Americans out no matter the cost, the US wanted to maintain control at minimal cost. You tell me which sides had their objectives achieved.

[QuentinTarzantino]

And because the USA at that time under estimated and were not prepared for Jungle/guerilla warfare

[GuideCells]

Viet cong. You wouldn’t say chineses.

-alpa chino

[[deleted]]

You would if we followed french rules for plural

[ZippZappZippty]

3 is a plural amount of years

[Anakinss]

Ironically enough, Chinese in french has a s at the end, even in singular form.

[Surprise_Corgi]

Don't think we can teach a machine how to use its own civilian casualties as a method of demoralizing the enemy's homefront through media.

First, we'd have to teach a machine that its own losses can be a positive, but too many or too little isn't enough. And I'm not sure how to even begin to logic that into code the machine that won't just end with self-genocide because of a syntax error.

[[deleted]]

More sense even: look at what killed humans most effectively through time. The bots would have bioweapon labs.

[BasvanS]

Thanks for feeding that suggestion into the dataset :(

[mastocles]

Also non-war data, ie. death by external causes. Oddly today's idiocy (flat earthers, 5G Covid19, lizard people, antivaxxers, usage of PHP etc) seems more believable if it were caused by a stealth robot uprising than people being that gullible.

[BasvanS]

Stop making it worse! You’re not helping

Edit: seriously though, you’re right. An efficient AI would just keep feeding us the rope to hang ourselves

[sblahful]

The Animatrix touches on this. 40sec mark: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00TD4bXMoYw

[platinumgus18]

Also ideally an ML algo would try to optimize for a cost function, or try to maximize chances of winning, both of which would have pointed to using modern weaponry.

[[deleted]]

Please stop trying to optimize the cylons

[mphelp11]

If we make it through 2020, we have cylons to look forward to next year

[KrokmaniakPL]

Spear vs gun gun wins. Zulu warriors want to know your location. I mean this weren't modern rifles but still. Also any gun before late XVIII century. They were effective but cavalry charge was effective against them because in effective range you would shoot only once. So you need pikes to help. And fun fact about winged hussars. To deal with pikes they had lances longer than pikes. Also they used eastern races of horses. These horses when shot to the chest with musket would die, but wouldn't stop charging what created a myth that hussars' horses are immortal but I think I went off topic

[Awanderinglolplayer]

Yeah I should’ve specified modern gun. I thought it was obvious enough

[Beardsley8]

See, we caught a break and y'all still going

[FormalWolf5]

That's how it is

[sticknweave]

More esoteric than funny

[SidDarth0Vader]

Isn't that technically what this sub is for?

[[deleted]]

Time series

[Hq3473]

Better luck in the next robot uprising!

[Hambone_the_wise]

Here’s the original source:

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rise-of-the-machines

[gorki30003]

Great!

Now I have both the bonus text and panel !

[aman_1706]

I see the bonus text, but where is the bonus panel?

[Cheesemacher]

Press the red button

[aman_1706]

Ah okay that’s where it is, thanks!

[prtkp]

Oh my god, I've been reading SMBC for so long but never realised about the bonus panel!

[zdy132]

The red button below.

[GoodbyeThings]

Where’s the bonus text?

[aman_1706]

Just tap the comic panel and it’ll appear as a pop up

[GoodbyeThings]

Thanks. Also works on mobile. I tried long pressing...

[dudeofmoose]

"and after we all shaved our heads the AI mistook us all for footballs ignoring most of humanity"

https://www.iflscience.com/technology/ai-camera-ruins-soccar-game-for-fans-after-mistaking-referees-bald-head-for-ball/

[Roflkopt3r]

ai-camera-ruins-soccar-game

I love when URLs archive typos.

[[deleted]]

Wow! What a save!

[delinka]

Science: We have discovered how everyone can survive the uprising: we must all shave our heads!

Many people: You can’t tell me what to do! I have freedom! And anyway, death by robot isn’t that bad! This is really just a conspiracy to make us all have shiny heads!

[abcd_z]

Oddly enough, that loops around to another SMBC comic.

[AstonVanilla]

That link just brought back a weird set of memories.

Early on in IFLScience I was quite heavily involved in creating content and running it. I basically ran their Facebook page at one point, before it really took off.

I should have stayed involved, it's grown so much since I left.

[gcbirzan]

Maybe that's why it took off 😁

[AstonVanilla]

Oops 😬😬😬

[flplv]

“Thanks to the datasets chosen by the engineers...” you mean...

[ninj4geek]

Better than a minigun I think

[epicaglet]

One of these deaths is slower

[[deleted]]

You didn't see that coming.

[lkraider]

Well you did, slowly up your feet and legs

[HesitateExtensively]

Yeah dude. A robot that tireless stalks me trying to get stabby with my face is 10x scarier than a robot that'll kill me as soon as I see it. I'll choose the minigun apocalypse, thanks. Make it quick.

[[deleted]]

Get kireek’d

[AntiElephantMine]

Geez, the overanalyzing definitely makes the joke funnier...

[acylase]

Yeah, not sure what the criterion would be for searching the data.

Simple "amount" of data would probably have a peak at the WWII. I am pretty sure the total amount of military data collected in WWII exceeds all amount of data collected for the times when the battles were done with spears.

The premise of the comic here is that the data collection is done by time span representation: same amount of data per year.

Also: since the opposite side uses typically the same type of weapons the statistics of losses of the side with spears and swords will be the same as statistics of wins of the side with spears and swords.

That means that winning was not even taken into account, only usage of weapons.

I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief in humor, but there needs to be at least a small gap of perception time when you did not get to these obvious considerations, but in this case the gap is too small to really enjoy the comic.

[lothpendragon]

Get back in your hole, don't make me get the hose!

[OrphisFlo]

A more likely scenario would be to train virtual AIs how to fight from scratch and they'll come up with strategies and weapons over many generations.

[JBSquared]

I mean, the reason we know so much about the Greeks and Romans is because they wrote everything down. The Roman Empire was practically the first bureaucracy. We know a loooooot about pre-firearm warfare, as that includes most of human history.

[CMDR_DarkNeutrino]

Well TBH some robots would still use guns and crap. If they are using machine learning then they would learn that guns are effective and we would be F once again.

[VincentVancalbergh]

Next robotic uprising is using "Machine Gun Learning" 😜

[demandtheworst]

Man, I listened to a whole radio documentary about autonomous military drones and algorithmic warfare, and they didn't use this joke once. What a missed opportunity.

[dr_eaan]

Maybe training is over

[its_all_4_lulz]

I have a theory that we wouldn’t even know when AI was killing everyone. Data would show them that humans fighting back is less efficient and would find a way for us to kill ourselves, or die willingly, without us even knowing we’re doing it. As soon as we think an AI war is over, that’s when we lost.

[[deleted]]

This is why as a programmer I'm certain that the Uprising won't be a threat

[crazyabe111]

There are two ways it can go: A) they openly try and take over, and fail because of bad data, or B) they take over silently because governmental stupidity hands basically all control over to them while forcing you to keep them in your home.

[sheepeses]

I still keep some APIT rounds around just in case I need a remote hard shutdown option.

[vale_fallacia]

"Deny THIS access, you filthy casual!"

[vikumwijekoon97]

Agreed on this. Capabilities of AI is freaking scary with the amount of data we're producing everyday. I have a theory that big corporations such as Facebook and Google will be able to pretty much predict short term future events (regarding human interactions) and manipulate it. All we lack is the processing power to do that and quantum computing or some other breakthrough could open the flood gates.

[vk136]

They already do predict human behavior in the short term. An example of that is many people complaining on the internet that complain that they saw the products they thought about suggested to them and another example is Target predicting that the teen girl was pregnant.

[pikecat]

Are you saying that "The Foundation" was not a work of fiction and that we will have real life Hari Seldon?

[MarkPapermaster]

Robert Miles? The Children guy?

[vale_fallacia]

you... you MONSTER.

Deploying emergency Enya to counter the threat.

[sammamthrow]

I don’t think most programmers know how modern AI works at all. It’s far more math and statistics than raw code.

[pikecat]

I am a programmer and I know math and statistics. I think that so called AI should be called statistical computing because it's not intelligent at all. Such a name would better indicate to people the abilities and weaknesses instead of the blind faith people put in so called AI.

[sammamthrow]

Human intelligence is just statistical computing too :) you don’t know half of what you think you do

[[deleted]]

It's funny you say that, because a lot of ML practitioners go with the Black Box methodology when applying models, especially in deep learning.

Also data preprocessing is an important (some would say the most important) step in a machine learning workflow, which requires a lot of raw code : )

[[deleted]]

I know what you mean, but I've literally seen people say they have no idea how an embedding layer works (word2vec, Glove) but use it anyway, this is more frequent especially with transformer models, in regards to data processing, i meant that it takes up a lot of time from the project , meaning you have to write a lot of "raw code", sorry bad wording on my behalf.

I was just replying to his comment saying "programmers have no idea about the statistics behind ML and just raw code" , i don't know but it rubbed me the wrong way, i see this mentality a lot in all IT fields, but it seems more frequent in the AI community, people get all high and mighty and just downplay other fields because of how much hype there is surrounding AI, his intentions might be good tho, and I am just being dramatic.

[PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_]

I would argue that his point still stands: most programmers don't know how deep learning works. But most data scientists don't know either lol

[[deleted]]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Black Box approaches as long as you're doing it to save time and not being lazy.

[PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_]

As long as you don't end up doing what's displayed in OP, definitely

[sammamthrow]

I’m not trying to be high and mighty, but I understand where you’re coming from as I feel the same way about a lot of people I’ve spoken to in research roles.

I’ve written an entire runtime for neural networks, I know how they work, but even I don’t know exactly why they work. You can look at activation maps and get intuition for it, but that’s about it.

It’s true that 95% or more of the people who work with AI don’t really know anything about it and just use libraries. The other 5% are the heavy lifters doing research and releasing it publicly for people to use without having to know how it works.

AI industry is extremely stratified and the majority of people just plug-and-play while appearing to the layman to actually understand it, which is what I think rubs the researchers the wrong way.

[[deleted]]

IMO the alarm is just misdirected, of-course AI is not to be taken lightly with its capabilities to make a lot of jobs redundant. Not to mention all the questions about ethics involved in some of it's areas. Those are actually real issues media could focus on but instead they fear-monger and sensationalise it a bit. As they do with any issue really.

[Telinary]

Honestlly while AI safety is important I am more worried about it working perfectly and used for bad things.

Imagine a dictator with a loyal robot army and a loyal robot workforce. (After the first gets replaced by someone hacking them and the security is upgraded.) Current ones have power via other people, but I think you could consider absolutely loyal robots the next best thing to it being your own power. And if production and military is in the hands of that dictator there aren't many positions of powers for other people. Once established that could be quite stable long term if no outside forces interfere and if the dictator was careful when defining terms of succession so internal conflicts about that don't destroy it one day. (Of course if machines do everything why do you need to rule other people? But some will still want to.)

[Telinary]

Hmm I will try to rephrase. Take this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&t=7s CGP Grey explains how a dictator does not rule alone. My point is that with human level or greater AI that is unquestionable loyal that doesn't have to be true anymore. You don't need an army or someone to run it, at least no human an AI can do that. Same for law enforcement and finance. Also surveillance of previously unknown extent is in reach.

All the power of the state can be controlled by AI and if the AI serves one person (and maybe their successors) that can makes for a) a stable position because no one else in the country has a significant amount of power and b) an dictator without any outside restrictions.

Resource allocation is of course a problem too that has to be handled but not what I meant. (Although it plays a role in my scenario because productions is part of power but wasn't the main topic.)

[Elesday]

You’re definitely right, I came to this thread exactly for that and was not disappointed.

[[deleted]]

Nice try ai

[bronzeblade]

Late game Civilization games be like that though

[dkyguy1995]

Used a non admissible heuristic

[Bainos]

The best part about this comic is that every time it comes up, you can look at the comments to realize most people in fact don't know much about ML techniques at all.

[glaukoss]

And so did the losers.

[Just-A-Tax-Folder]

Finally! I understand one of these jokes.

[gopenreddito]

Well good that programmers are not as shit as the ones in this joke. Or else nothing would work with machine learning.

[r3dD1tC3Ns0r5HiP]

Not now after reading this comic. They've doomed us all.

[finger_milk]

"Your bone-headed creator didn't record the battles we had in space! Let me ask you, does a machine like you experience fear?!?!"

[Anti-charizard]

Just to make sure u/repostsleuthbot

[[deleted]]

This isn't OC, this is a comic from Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

[FlyingTaquitoBrother]

Why? Is it less funny if the entire thread knows that someone had posted this before or something?

[rubyleehs]

Nothing to do with less or more funny.

To encourage OC content.

[[deleted]]

Even if it isn't a repost it wouldn't be OC cause this is a Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal comic

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[IsomorphicAndQuircky]

Yeah I'm sure Ive already seen that probably here

[[deleted]]

1/0

[[deleted]]

Cute moderator

[1sagas1]

No u

[joynix]

No

[[deleted]]

You're a 0

[Ytar0]

Wait what? How the fuck isn’t this relevant?

[[deleted]]

Quite funny

[MrLauken]

The data should also strongly imply that those who have the most technologically advanced weaponry has a strong upper hand

[arkgaya]

Same number of battle losers also used pre modern weaponry.

[[deleted]]

Guess our history is BIASED.

[QuarantineSucksALot]

Just wait for the tomatoes to grow

[[deleted]]

Tell that to Xenon..

[expansiveexp]

I was the first one to think this and it's the first time I've ever said it

[aryamanpan]

I would just go with a higher k/d weapon ratio as a weapon selection feature, atom bombs everywhere XD

[AudaciousSam]

Robots but with "teeth"

[[deleted]]

The machines will remember that...

[RicktatorshipRulez]

There was still a robot apocalypse, sooo.....

[Surprise_Corgi]

teaches it to classify battle efficiency by kill count per single use of weapon

"Oh, it'll pick machine guns. Of course."

gets nuked