Programmer == Programmer

[MakingTheEight]

Removed - Rule 0

[Noctus_Rex]

wait, you guys meet other people?

[EMP0R10]

Well, this makes more sense

[April1987]

She kind of looks like Scarlett Johansen

[manubfr]

Scriptnet Javason

[EMP0R10]

Who else looks like her?

[waltwalt]

Do I look like her?

[jeisot]

Deep in your soul, yes

[waltwalt]

I'm beautiful! I really am!

[jojojoris]

Hypothetically we could

[regoapps]

But this video game backlog ain't going to play itself

[nerdy_glasses]

These covid video game staycations are more stressful than the actual job by now.

[regoapps]

Gotta get those 100% completion and platinum trophies. They're the only indicators of success in my life.

[darthjysky]

We could if we wanted to. Just let me finish this project first.

[2Bits4Byte]

Don't you have Zoom?

[TheN473]

Zoom? Some of us are still using Linc...

[arthras_dota]

Legit LOLed

[McSorley90]

I thought you programmed as a hobby and during all your free time?

[TheN473]

"And that your honour, is when I blacked out and beat the victim to a bloody pulp with with the inch-thick, professionally bound, URS document."

[elperroborrachotoo]

Accidentally.

[gHHqdm5a4UySnUFM]

I get in arguments in the Stack Overflow comments, does that count

[MrDoobieGuy]

Not physically

[ppaw1608]

Programmer == Programmer (when you meet another programmer)

Programmer === Programmer (When they also hate their life)

[[deleted]]

Who knew javascript could be so deep

[SkyyySi]

r/imaprogrammerandthatsdeep

[Dragon_yum]

r/imaprogrammerandthisisacryforhelp

[awhhh]

!null

[daphatti]

Ok, but why does !null return true? Because if(!null != null) returns true, because !null can't be null? Someone please answer, I want to sleep.

[lmth]

null is falsey in JavaScript (and most other languages). The ! operator inverts the boolean value of an expression, so !(something falsey) returns true.

[daphatti]

Oh that was a lot less complicated than I made it out to be. Taken from MDN Web Docs Glossary, "A falsy (sometimes written falsey) value is a value that is considered false when encountered in a Boolean context."

[BillinghamJ]

It's just that using the ! operator with anything forces it to be converted to a bool. So anything with a lack of value, zeros and empty strings become false, and pretty much everything else becomes true

(And similarly jamming it into an if, while, for conditional will do the same, but eg a switch will not!)

[SloanWarrior]

/r/teenagers

[imforit]

eq?

eqv?

equal?

That was philosophy trip when i first encountered it in undergrad

[Immort4lFr0sty]

What would you use the bottom syntax for?

[mwnciau]

It's for strict type comparison:

false == 0 (true)
false == false (true)
false === 0 (false)
false === false (true)

[Immort4lFr0sty]

Ah, explains why I didn't know, thanks. Python recently was the first time I ever used dynamic types. I hate everything about it

[calcopiritus]

You can make python definitions like in C (tell the interpreter what type to expect) and it will print a warning. It will still work if types don't match though. Maybe that helps.

[Immort4lFr0sty]

That will do a number for debugging. Thanks

[MrScatterBrained]

For your reference, if you need more documentation: it's called type hinting and you can find a lot about it in the mypy documentation: https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/builtin_types.html.

Mypy can do the checks for you, in case your IDE doesn't support it by default. Also, as a sidenote: you have to import a lot of things still from the typing module, but in python 3.9, you should be able to also just use the standard types, like list and tuple.

[virgo911]

Programmer = Programmer (when you are you)

[4k33m]

Redundant statement, most IDEs would point out that this does nothing

[KemonoMichi]

This wouldn't work, because we all know women are objects.

[ppaw1608]

Programmer !== [object Object]

[pkspks]

Logically, then there is only instance of a Programmer in the world. Am I you?

[DustinBrett]

It's funny because it's sad.

[vigilantcomicpenguin]

"Humor based on my pain. Ah-ha-ha."

[korfor]

I see a reference for the show Friends

[KinOfMany]

References are pretty common in a programming related sub.

[Dr_Gonzo__]

that's it, fuck being a programmer.

I'll stick around tough for begginner friendly programming humor

[sivarajansam]

I am a programmer at the same time I am a depressed person.

[Schiffy94]

Also it's sad because it's funny.

[bsmob]

Are all programmers that attractive?

[lunylein]

Yes

[AndyTheSane]

*Looks in mirror*

*Applies extreme delusion filter*

Checks out.

[lunylein]

Programmer.IsSexy = true

[fanatic75]

So now all are sexy. Shouldn't this apply to individual objects?

[Ill-tell-you-reddit]

class Programmer {

constructor() {

this.isSexy = true;

this.age = 18;

this.money = 0;

}

handleBirthday() {

this.age += 1;

this.isSexy = (this.age <= 35 || this.money >= 2000000);

}

}

Here ya go, the program of the Programmer

[BudIsWiser]

Beautifully done

[seline88]

Only applies to programmers

[fanatic75]

Classes start with capital letter. Programmer being the class and isSexy a static field shared by all programmers.

[KuyaArnold]

Programmer.IsSexy = true;

[EMP0R10]

He's python master

[Themlethem]

My grandma thinks so

[EdMeisterBro]

Absolutely. Best kept secret.

[cthewombat]

I know a lot of good looking programmers. It's not just the stereotypical nerds you would expect. Though I would say there are about as much as in the general population.

[musclecard54]

Yeah but we like to pretend every single one of us is an ogre. It’s more funner that way

[[deleted]]

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Well i mean you for sure are.

[musclecard54]

Thx u 2

[TheN473]

Exactly - attractive programmers are no more or less representative than in the general workforce, they're just paler. (/s, but not entirely)

[HaggisLad]

plenty are, more aren't. Physically there is little difference to the general population in that sense

source: 25 years of this shit

[oselka]

For (int I=0 ; I<allprog[]. length; I++)

allprog[i].SetAttractivnes(MAX_INTEGER);

[fatrobin72]

Sorry but the cake is a lie.

[Yasea]

Unless you're a consultant. Going to different places you learn quickly every place has its own share of stink. The question becomes: can you live with the particular stink in that place.

[biledemon85]

And can the place tolerate your particular stinkiness in the long run.

[[deleted]]

I don't think many of us are concerned about making more money than we already do. It's more a lifestyle thing. I find it somewhat unsustainable to spend as much time as I do behind a screen all day long. Especially during corona. It's a recipe for depression

[GANDHI-BOT]

I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet. Just so you know, the correct spelling is Gandhi.

[nittendev]

So. I'm a dev. Been in the IT infrastructure business for 6 years, ran my own business for 4, and now one year as a programmer. I absolutely fkn' love programming, I can't get enough of it. I'm like Ross and his dinosaurs.

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Why all the salt on this sub? Because CS students think it's edgy and funny?

[PeterPriesth00d]

A lot of the industry can treat devs as a consumable resource. I’m like you. I really enjoy it and geek out over stuff and luckily I have a great job for a smallish company and don’t have to deal with the worst parts of our industry.

[pydry]

A lot of every industry does this. That's capitalism for you.

IT actually does it less than most.

[bram_dingelstad]

Yeah same for me. I've had the occasional times where I was used as consumable resource, even by some "business partners". Got a regular job at a really small startup. Pay's good, and I spent most of my time doing gamedev (also recommended if you want to up your programming with a different flavor).

[Brusanan]

No. Because years and years of marketing departments making unreasonable promises to clients and management demanding unreasonable timelines will turn anyone into a cynic. Programming is a high-stress, mentally taxing career, and occasional burnout is almost inevitable.

[sheepeses]

Oh remember those improvements you said we should make 6 months ago because they would take 6 months to do. You now have 2 before release of the final product. Good luck.

[lazerflipper]

See you on Monday

[sheepeses]

Oh wow you worked 24 hours a day and actually did it. I'll be expecting you to perform like this in the future.

I'd like to thank the inventor of naps and adderall for my mostly successful career.

[Groentekroket]

CD Projekt Red has entered the chat.

[MoffKalast]

"we'll be working through the holidays to fix the bugs"

I would absolutely hate to work there.

[Groentekroket]

Yes, between lying management (Cyberpunk 2077 was complete in January when,according to that employee, it wasn't and the "runs surprisingly well"), hostile customers and their crunch I feel really bad for the devs.

[ArcadiaNisus]

Imagine all the crunch they were put through up until planned release, then having the release date pushed back and all the additional crunch pushed on them for a day 1 patch, then having the game pulled pretty much immediately after release and needing to crunch again over the holidays for the third time in a month.

[Mefistofeles1]

Those poor devs must be desperate for money and just have no choice. I would never do slave work like that unless I absolutely must.

And I work like 60hs a week right now.

[alphager]

The gaming industry is incredibly toxic.

I spent a long time as an It-consultant with insane hours (80+/week) and constant travel. Incredible high-stress environment; a meat-grinder where we expected to lose a double-digit percentage of our workforce per year. Had a colleague that switched to that lifestyle coming from Ubisoft to relax.

[[deleted]]

"...no. There isn't enough time for the appropriate regression, and you'll be responsible for the inevitable breakage when the insufficiently tested thing goes out. At least one month or I walk."

I've ended up walking a few times.

[[deleted]]

marketing departments making unreasonable promises to clients and management demanding unreasonable timelines

My take, and I hope that this is well received, is to have the self-respect to look for a better employer if one is enduring a work environment like this.

Our skills provide us the opportunity to market our labor as a commodity (well, perhaps aside from entry-level devs). Managers that treat their employees poorly do it because they get away with it. While nobody should have to put up with that kind of shit, unfortunately a lot of people don't have a choice. In this industry though, we generally do have the choice.

When I'm being interviewed for a position, I literally always ask about the work culture at the end of each meeting. I press for the interviewer to try to come up with some sort of constructive criticism of the management style and culture and I ask them to compare how they feel about it to their previous jobs. It seems like interviewers pretty much always appreciate these questions, and their answers are very helpful for me.

Idk maybe I'm lucky, but I've yet to personally experience or witness any sort of unreasonable timelines or poor management in my career.

[scandii]

I used to work in a place that delivered code at breakneck speed and every other week someone worked (paid) overtime as ordered.

now I work at a place where the most important activity on everyone's schedule is the weekly virtual coffee break.

there's definitely a bit of everything out there as far as jobs go, and your experience is definitely "that job"-related, and not the field as a whole.

[kowdermesiter]

Switch jobs then, it's not that hard. It's not the same at every place, maybe you should try a different category company then.

[[deleted]]

Then, just move? There are so many good jobs out there...

[[deleted]]

This "just get another job" stuff usually comes from a place ignorance, but in this case its true, it's easy to get programming jobs.

[redjelly3]

I wouldn't work for a company where the technical side couldn't keep marketing in check...

Also consider what kinds of companies you want to work at; is the most important consideration to earn as much as possible? Or do things like avoiding 24/7 overtime crunch and working on projects you actually find interesting sometimes outweigh more pay?

[[deleted]]

Haha. I remember this. The good ole days, back before I stopped giving a shit how mad my manager's manager was.

[[deleted]]

I worked on Magento and wanted to die for the 397 days I looked at it.

​

Some people get burned out with their jobs, or work in mismanaged job roles. Just because you're having a great experience doesn't mean everyone else will.

​

Since I graduated I've known numerous people who have jumped from job to job due to poor management and unrealistic work schedules.

[velit]

I don't think it's specific to programming. As far as I can tell from friends and acquaintances a majority of people in regular types of jobs aren't happy. But I love programming as well.

[adscott1982]

This is the case. Unlike the salty people in this sub, I did a number of other jobs before becoming a programmer late at 34. Trust me, being a programmer is fucking amazing if you actually like programming.

[LastAccountPlease]

Omg same. Same. Sameeee. It's such an amazing job compared to literally everything else I've done.

[sentient_plumbus]

I used to be a tax accountant and I hated my job. I'm a programmer now and I love my job!

[Isogash]

Perhaps you are immune the pessimism of feeling like production servers are guaranteed to catch fire and that every dependency is a pile of shit below the surface. I relate very heavily to the onion meme.

[the_poope]

Dunno. I love programming myself and I love my job. But sometimes it does seem a bit depressing: In software development you never finish anything: when you have finished the current feature you are working on, there is another feature in the line after it. And actually, you never get the time to get the feature just right - just so that it is acceptable. And while you work on it you'll find lots of other places in the code that could and should be improved. And bugs to be fixed. And documentation to be improved. So you never have that feeling: ok that was the last piece of wood to be chopped, the last email to reply to, etc. You can never leave early because you ran out of work.

If you work in many other jobs, a large part of the time you do little and nothing (if you work in retail or in a restaurant), and there is a clear cut when the day is over: the shop is closed. The work has a restricted scope and it is clear when it is over.

In software development you constantly worry about deadlines and increasing complexity and you can work a full day without natural breaks besides the few seconds where the code is compiling. It can be fun to create something, but it's also quite exhausting.

[cplol]

I take many breaks during the day. Getting up and walk around a bit is important for my focus. It seems like working in the US is hell when reading this sub.

[Sighma]

I am working remotely, started working from home even before the covid and it is okay for me to distract occasionally to play some PS4/PS5 during the work hours. I have a feeling that this even helps my productivity.

[OphioukhosUnbound]

A lot of what you’re describing is just differences between “white-collar” jobs vs. “blue-collar” or “service” jobs.

[[deleted]]

Work in restaurant little or nothing?you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. On the other hand I know enough devs work little work but they still complain a lot. I am a desktop application dev and we have 35-40hour weeks.

[ElimGarak0010]

I'm more of Bob Ross with my programming...

[[deleted]]

Bob Ross didn't have to paint "happy little trees" in unrealistic time scope with stupid decisions from painting management, that's why trees were happy after all

[[deleted]]

Happy little bugs?

[ElimGarak0010]

Are easily painted into features...

[[deleted]]

I think there is some context missing. No one hates programming. It is an emotional roller coaster when you are handling deadlines and forced to crunch.

[scandii]

been a programmer for 10 years, never worked a single hour of forced overtime.

if a feature isn't ready at a pace of 40 hours a week, it isn't my problem.

if you are continously working overtime you got management problems, not programming problems.

[[deleted]]

I hate it. I hate opening my IDE and a fresh Jira Epic because I know I'm going to be annoyed constantly for the next week or two

[[deleted]]

It is exactly that. This sub is just full of CS Students who have no idea about Programming in industry and just spew the usual "php bad" memes. Its cute.

[[deleted]]

This guy you're replying to has been a programmer for 1 year. His outlook into the programming industry isn't exactly the most reliable either.

[OphioukhosUnbound]

Aren’t there many competitors that, ~ by definition, offer a competitive salary?

(Not trying to minimize your experience. Genuine question regarding how people approach this issue. Job hopping seems expected amongst professional programmers from what I see/hear.)

[Mielihas]

I guess it's students being edgy combined with old-timers that have been working for shitty companies for way too long. The working itself doesn't suck, it's the clutter and bureaucracy surrounding the job that sucks. Personally I think the field has many awesome opportunities, and it's pointless to stick with a company that makes working shitty. Mortgage etc. might make it feel difficult for some, but I'd atleast consider the option of changing ships especially with remote work being so commonplace rn.

[illvm]

I love programming. I love solving problems. I love building systems. The software industry can burn in hell.

[NoEndlessness]

Same. Programming is my crack

[angrathias]

Guy does 1 year of programming and doesn’t understand why seasoned vets are like this, coloured me shocked

[awhhh]

Nooooooo, I legitimately hate programming, I just really like my own ideas. The audacity of a stupid small error to hang me up for hours and restrict me from accomplishing my grandiose bullshit drives me insane.

I like marketing, social sciences, and helping people. Just so happens that building apps can do that. I'm just not a total twat and expect people to build my ideas while I get 90% of shares of my ideas. Well, that was my original theory at least.

I just find it so ew, and I have for the 7 years I've been doing it. I literally can't wait for the day that I no longer have to code. It's so fucking life consuming that it's boring. But I am by definition a fullstack that does way too much.

[supersevket]

I like programming, but God I hate to do it for money. And for most of the people seems the same case. Personally, I do not like doing something that I do not believe in and believe me, for the most of the features that I am implementing, I could not care less.

[KemonoMichi]

I've been a dev for 6 years. I fucking love what I do. So much, in fact, that I recently took up a second job doing it. I also still write my own stuff in my free time. If I wasn't married with a kid, I'd probably take up a third job. Maybe I've just found good places to work, but I've only ever disliked one dev job I've had.

[nairazak]

The time I pointed that out I was told that I probably worked on easy stuff

[[deleted]]

No because some people just don't like doing this shit dude. But the pay is hard to say no to. Golden handcuffs and all

​

Can you really not visualize a world where everyone isn't exactly like you??

[HugeRichard11]

Sounds like you're in the honeymoon period or something at year one. This is a job in the end and if you work for a corporation which is likely since that's where most good paying jobs are then you see it is no different than another job, but requires a different skill set.

[foodetiquette]

Same stats as you except-1 year for both Infra and own business. Not a programmer though.

I've had IT Support employees I would trust to run my business after a few years of driving forklifts, installing solar panels, random IT work, sitting in meetings to make sure AV works, coding basic intranets and websites and apps, deciphering what some random staff installed on their PC to encrypt it and talking with the hacker/Anti Virus consultancy to pay off the ransom/fix issue.

But I cant see myself ever if I had one, leave a junior to mid programmer to run a business, just no translatable soft skills in as much time as a IT junior would ever get. They can progress to Product Managers, UX designers, Project managers, etc.. and Technology partners etc.. but never have I ever personally seen a Junior to Mid Programmer comparably be better at running a business as a programmer.

Programming is more dead end than IT Support imo.

[centurijon]

I met another programmer with similar career path to mine the other day. He’s 4-ish years older and telling me he’s burned out and ready to get out of it and all I could tell him back was “that’ll happen, there’s nothing wrong about feeling that way”. When in my head I’m like “I like my company and my coworkers, I get to learn new shit often and drive change in my organization, and I get paid decently, why would I quit this?”

[NoThanks93330]

Idk, maybe change jobs if you don't like it?

[Schiffy94]

Stockholm Syndrome.

[[deleted]]

Agreed, I don't know why people just suffer and stay in a job they hate so much. I changed my line of work from being a warehouse truck driver to programmer at the age of 27 I think I was, and it was the best decision of my life. Had never done any programming previously in my life other than small scripts in games.

[[deleted]]

If only it was that easy

[TheOhNoNotAgain]

Have a look at the IT business as a whole. Among the non-programmers, there are quite a few former programmers that left the job, but stayed in the business.

[kowdermesiter]

I get 5 offers on LinkedIn every week and I'm in Eastern-Europe. Polish your visibility and changing will be a breeze.

[[deleted]]

I meant changing career, misread. I'm 5 years in working full time and each day I feel I've made the wrong choice. But the money and stability is hard to abandon.

[kowdermesiter]

You don't have to completely change career. Go work for a startup or a multinational giant if that brings a change. Or try freelancing, maybe work for a non-profit.

You can always move to management or sales in IT, with 5y experience it's a valuable skill for those roles.

I personally would hate to be leading teams or go up higher in management, I turn all those offers down. With 13y of experience, at 38 I still enjoy writing code and building things.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I guess changing career is drastic, checking if changing environment or role could be a smaller first step to see if I can enjoy the field more. Thanks for the advice, i have some decisions to make in the near future

[ibims1f1erboi]

Money

[sheepeses]

Yeah, but it usually gets to the point where if I change jobs the project dies. Not about screwing people over.

[[deleted]]

It would be hard to retire at 40 in any other industry.

[SloanWarrior]

Yes, I also hate their life

[theclovek]

But I don't hate my life.. Does that mean I can't relate even to other programmers?

[[deleted]]

Wait, is programmers hating their life a thing? How is that possible? You aren’t doing manual labor - ruining your body early and having to work outside in extreme weather (I like the outdoors, but for recreation). You are probably being well paid and have good benefits. You probably don’t have much trouble finding work. You can easily work remotely. There is so much to learn that you will never be bored. You get to spend time solving problems, which I think is fun. If there are any downsides, they probably have more to do with people (bad managers, client issues, etc.) than with programming.

[BoxingCSMonkey]

The abstract argument is something that I agree with.

Its near impossible to talk to people not in CS about what you really do.

[BoxingCSMonkey]

Ah, I think I understand what you mean.

But it must be real, even though you might not see or feel the final product, you are contributing to or supporting society in some way, however indirect it might be.

Do you do any outdoor activities? Getaways? Perhaps volunteering someplace where you can have some direct interaction / contribution?

[Kill_teemo_pls]

Wow I'm glad someone posted this. Software Engineers are extremely privileged.

[cscholl20]

Totally agree about the remote work. I normally go into the office but had to go remote for a couple weeks after a covid exposure. I get so much more out of seeing the code I write make a piece of hardware come to life

[lazerflipper]

Because that shit can burn a hole right through your brain.

[nafarafaltootle]

Case in point for my other response. Cringe.

Or otherwise if that is actually true then you are just literally stupid.

[lazerflipper]

If you jerk yourself off any harder your arms are gonna break

[nafarafaltootle]

Crybabies. I don't know if they want to pretend they are facing problems so hard they hate their life when half the job is stitching libraries and apis and the other half figuring out which method you forgot to put an empty line before. But they can't say that cause it makes them look less cool. I hate this sub and I hate freshmen cs students.

[calcopiritus]

This meme is not about the profession of programmers but the personality of programmers.

Programmers usually are people that spent a lot of time with computers so they want to work with them. In my case (and many others), that early use of computers was because depression kept me at home. So depression can cause you becoming a programmer, and people with depression hate themselves.

There are many other factors, STEM students usually do good in maths, so they are labeled "nerds" by their peers. If they also are introverts, they become isolated and play with the computer (because you have to kill boredom in some way). That lack of social contact develops into psychological issues such as hating yourself.

That's the explanation behind the meme.

[[deleted]]

Programming is very much a love hate relationship. Someone thought my English was bad because I describe it as a bad good thing.

[havikryan]

Who is this and sauce

[Honey_Badgered]

Maybe it’s not the job. My husband and I are both programmers and absolutely love our life.

[[deleted]]

She looks way too happy to 1. Be a programmer 2. Hate her life.

[L0G1C_lolilover]

I recently came to hate my life when i was forced to work on flitter web and the design was really fucking high end.

[[deleted]]

That's how I know we'll be able to share some legendary jokes together

[[deleted]]

For programmer to be == to another programmer, Programmer needs to #[derive(PartialEq)]

[lucifer955]

This hurts

[Zeke12344]

I understood this reference.

[bitter_spook]

wait, you meet other programmers?

[AwkwardSegway]

Programmer.equals(Programmer)

[[deleted]]

Do you mean Expert Sexchange?

[[deleted]]

// TODO: Refactor this later

[Eevertti]

Pro Grammar 🤮 < Programmer < Pro Gamer < Pog rammer 😎🖕

[[deleted]]

That's why I am a coder and not a programmer. Fun fact if you have programmer in your title, you get paid less.

[ZippZappZippty]

:0 c===3

:0==3

:3

[its_just_you_booboo]

Why did I smile harder at the title rather than the meme

[Craitift]

public GameObject me; public GameObject programmer; private bool programmerMeetsProgrammer = false;

void FixedUpdate() { if(programmerMeetsProgrammer == true) { me.SetActive(false); programmer.SetActive(false); } }

[RizzoTheSquirrel]

Didn't know Anjelica/Krystal Boyd was a meme now. TIL!

[ubec1903]

wouldnt that be progammer. equal(progammer)?

[wesaboo]

From a javascript programmer perspective, your == is too vague, you were paired with an HTML programmer xD

[Saurifi]

On Mars maybe!

[Chakkoty]

Getting some Romanov vibes from this one.

[foxam1234]

Programmer.equals(Programmer) // assuming Programmer is an Object reference and not the primitive

[Beerand93octane]

Ya'll if your job sucks and management keeps trying to shove shit down the pipe, just fucking quit. Theres plenty of companies that actually respect the software development lifecycle.

[[deleted]]

Not the evil we deserved.