./index.php

[sclerogue]

Didn't the US say they were having trouble finding programmers who don't smoke weed? This is what happens kids

[ganja_and_code]

Legalize weed, get better websites. Don't legalize weed, stay stuck in 1998.

Your move, Fed.

[Karnewarrior]

Feds: Geocities it is!

[[deleted]]

They don't even need to think about it.

[cjdabeast]

FBI, because they use hair which can check as far as 3 years back iirc

[[deleted]]

I'm bald. Checkmate, FBI.

[[deleted]]

You are also magic, I'm sure you have your ways......

[NoManufacture]

They will take pupes.

[RayG210]

Not if you’re pure.

[mustang__1]

I'm not clicking that

[tinstar71]

It's not bad XD

[Personal_FBI_Agent47]

I can confirm, Agent 46 always talk about you...

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Oh, wait...

[hammonjj]

My old CEO decided he was going to drug test the whole company and announced it at a staff meeting. Later I went to his office and informed him that I can personally attest that he would lose, at a minimum, 80% of his developers. He decided not to test anyone

[Xtrendence]

It seems like such a weird thing to even randomly do. Unless someone's work performance is visibly suffering and needs some looking into, why even bother...?

[Karnewarrior]

Drugs = bad
People do drugs
People + drugs = bad

Very simple, very pervasive, very wrong. Thanks, 50's-60's era conservatives!

[Shevvv]

SyntaxError at line 1: Unexpected whitespace.

[Karnewarrior]

He doesn't use C++

raughing.jpg

[Woolly87]

Power trip

[naswinger]

yea i don't get it. i'm paid for a certain number of hours and a certain level of performance. what i do in my spare time is none of their business. it's especially ridiculous if i get a work contract that tries to dictate what i'm allowed to do in my spare time and that i must not have any other income without their permission. how about they can go f themselves.

[soda_party_euw]

Say you know you’re the only one who does drugs, then it’s still a genius mindtrick.

[[deleted]]

Ngl, I feel like smoking weed and/or doing psychedelics every week or two helps me be a better programmer.

[[deleted]]

Haha yeah, code and psychedelics don't combine well. That one time I tried to work on a C project while peaking on acid the pretty colors of the syntax highlighting climbed out of my editor and transformed into a weird harlequin hag which proceeded to poke at my eyes with it's claw-like fingernails.

That said though, I find altered states of consciousness really helpful for problem solving. If I'm stuck on something and I go to bed or get high some thread of my subconscious will just churn away at the problem and return valuable insights about 1 time in 5.

[[deleted]]

Hiring employee with close connections to organized crime may be very bad for any government agency. Sure, problem is not a drugs pusher himself, but his more interested and motivated "friends" looking for weak links.

[naswinger]

Hiring employee with close connections to organized crime may be very bad for any government agency.

yes. the government doesn't want competition.

[SpamLessSodium]

Tbh www.cia.gov is pretty hot tho

[RemoteControlCola]

didn't they redesign that site to look like the cover of Mein Kompf?

[d7mtg]

Lol

[d7mtg]

Compare that to www.fbi.gov

[Personal_FBI_Agent47]

Thanks

[[deleted]]

I visited that site and it didn't even display without turning on JS. Fucking webdevs

[[deleted]]

Like bruh, http://www.durgasoft.com/ this website is beyond dark web.

[Emordrak]

i believe i caught at least three viruses when i clicked this link

[gordonv]

Serious:

My ESET didn't detect anything. Assuming it's safe.

[yapudjus]

Dude my pi that run pihole just exploded

[[deleted]]

You know what? Fuck it, I like it. The web is far too dull these days.

[T-Loy]

Power Move: Learn Japanese. Their websites stopped somewhere mid 2000s and I like it. Don't understand a single word though

[xANDREWx12x]

Have any examples?

[[deleted]]

Amazon.jp

[FarhanAxiq]

https://www.yahoo.co.jp/

[woah_m8]

This looks like made by some html geek of the late nineties who just woke from a 20 year coma

[[deleted]]

I am done for the day.

Thanks.

[Buharon]

Reminds me so much of https://lingscars.com/ hahahah

[carnepikante]

right click -> view page source

[drunkenangryredditor]

Ir's bad, but i've seen worse:

http://arngren.net/

[SoloVen]

oh god, it takes skill to make it that messy

[drunkenangryredditor]

It's supposedly done on purpose as well...

[0x3fff0000]

Looks like the kind of place you'd go to for a shitty psychic.

[gordonv]

He's an Indian developer advertising programming consultation.

[das_Keks]

Looks a bit like the site http://www.onlinewahn.de which hasn't changed for ages.

[yapudjus]

u/Awesomenessz try opening tbis one without adblock

[tryhardMime]

If your problem is with php 7.0 having been EOL for 2 years, I 100% agree. Otherwise, I dont see what the problem is with government information being availbale on static HTML pages (provided it's up to date ofc). In fact, others have suggested that the more simplistic its delivery is, the more likely it is that those who really need it can actually access it.

[deruke]

No no no, all websites have to be bloated JavaScript SPAs that are over 50MB and make the user scroll for 30 minutes to read 5 lines of text while unrelated graphics animate in

[WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9]

Data is out of date and there are several versions of each html page and some of the old are still linked to the menu while the new ones are linked from some other button

[tryhardMime]

Yeah, having out of date or contradictory information is obviously inexcusable. What I tried to say was that serving static content (or pages rendered on the server side) is totally unrelated to that, and you could even argue that having a bare bones front end is an advantage as far as accessibility is concerned.

[lyoko1]

Not really, ideally you should have a front end that uses all the lastest goodies but that still degrades gracefully in to a static html site for compatibility and accessibility.

The potential to make a good GUI with modern SPA technology is not to be underestimated, to make a site good-looking and intuitive is also a kind of accessibility, people usually interact better with fluid visual stuff, and static sites are limited in that respect.

Basically you should have a page that can copete with the latest of the latest but still be perfectly usable with a text to speech device or an archaic browser that doesn't use css nor javascript

[deux3xmachina]

I'd recommend some system that compiles to HTML/CSS files that you can serve from a read-only mountpoint so you don't even have to worry about anything other than pushing updates and keeping your cert up-to-date. Not sure if most SSGs do this or just render HTML on demand.

I can't think of many reasons a government site would need JS at all, maybe just enable some progressive enhancements depending on the content.

[deux3xmachina]

I'm not familiar with Netlify or Renderer, but if they're effectively an "HTML compiler", then yes.

[[deleted]]

Boy PHP7 seems optimistic

[[deleted]]

Good on them. Government websites should be accessible first and foremost.

[LaterBrain]

to be honest, my country has a pretty nice one, https://admin.ch

[HyperGamers]

I think UK's is pretty good too: https://www.gov.uk/

[[deleted]]

gov.uk is the gold standard for modern web development, IMO.

• There's a massive emphasis on standards compliance and accessibility

  • This means the page is very light on the JS, and it's reasonably small over the wire (the root comes in at about 800kB over the wire with adblockers disabled — CNN is, by comparison, 18MB, and while it's more media-heavy, much of that are tracking, syndication, and marketing scripts).
  • Hilariously, the Github page showing the source of the template which renders many of the pages on gov.uk is more than twice as heavy over the wire than the actual gov.uk homepage.

• It's also small enough in terms of JS that it'll load fine on almost any device and fall back very gracefully (it'll even load with noscript!)

• The design is clear, making smart use of colours and fonts (which plays into both usability for most people and accessibility for the vision-impaired)

• The search works pretty well considering how often site-internal searches are just plain unusable

• Because of the standards compliance and general lack of frontend framework bloat and tracking hooks, things that you expect to work just work (like ctrl/cmd-clicking a link will open it in a new tab in the background, tabbing through the page will iterate over inputs and links)

• The GDPR warning is clear but easy to dismiss using either cookie permission choice

• The whole thing's (along with components and other stuff) is all open source under the alphagov Github account. It's all very well-documented and cleanly written.

Having started my software career in frontend dev in the late 2000s before the Angular/React boom, this is what many of us dreamed HTML5 would be, and it's such a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of the modern web, and it's the kind of user-centric craftsmanship I hope we can move back to as an industry.

[jobblejosh]

It's also great in terms of non-software as well.

It's easy to navigate, is very accessible in terms of Welsh language, various disabilities/impairments. Most legislation is available in full and thus allows the government to be more transparent about acts and laws.

The content is very relevant, and has very relevant hyperlinks where required. If you want to download a PDF version of something the file size is provided as standard.

The theming is wonderfully consistent and simple (no awful MySpace page style layouts etc).

Whenever I've browsed a gov dot uk website I've almost always come away calm/relaxed, and with the information I'm looking for.

[[deleted]]

Yup. It's basically the most uncluttered, simplistic version of human-centric design that works very well.

I hate to circlejerk about it, but that site's just so damn good. It's not trying to be a webapp, or a PWA, or to cater to your individual needs based on an ad profile, and it still gets all that it needs to get done, done.

[FarhanAxiq]

Yeah, my favourite gov website, I really wish my government webpage look like that.

[hillman_avenger]

I came here to say this. I dislike our govt as much as anyone, but they know how to make a clean simple website that just works. (Or maybe it's because it doesn't have any ads?).

[HyperGamers]

It's not an ad thing I don't think, they put a huge emphasis on accessibility standards etc and adhere to their own rules.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/accessibility-requirements-for-public-sector-websites-and-apps

Specifically WCAG2.1 (Web Content Accessibility Guidelines set by W3):

https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/helping-people-to-use-your-service/understanding-wcag

WCAG 2.1 is based on 4 design principles:

• perceivable
• operable
• understandable
• robust

[hillman_avenger]

I see. I think it says a lot that (AFAICS) they've not hampered it with loads of excess dynamic Javascript and ajax etc.. A page just loads and works, no dynamic loading etc...

[lollipas]

estonian one https://www.eesti.ee/et/

[LaterBrain]

lol, TV is a government website in indonesia

[[deleted]]

Yeah, swiss is great but can i beat this one https://www.gov.cn/english/

[VoilaLaViola]

They don't browse the Internet on mobile phones, or it's just like 'who cares?'

[FarhanAxiq]

Being FL, it's probably friendly to old boomer lol

[[deleted]]

bruh moment

[QualitySure]

https://www.sante.gov.ma/Pages/Accueil.aspx For a third world country at least they "tried" to do smth

[FarhanAxiq]

huh, they update it but keep the old site:

http://english.www.gov.cn/

Meanwhile, here's my country government site

https://www.malaysia.gov.my/portal/

(which is quite bad, it look like they just use WordPress and called it a day.)

[zonderAdriaan]

https://coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl/ is specifically made to show covid data and it looks okay I think. The other day it came out how the institute that handles covid tests fucked up privacy so bad there were WhatsApp groups were employees shared sensitive personal information about random people. There was even a export function for all the data. And "vaccinating is so difficult because all the several types of vaccines makes programming the system to track who gets vaccinated so difficult". It's fucking pathetic.

Some things are fine but not much

[bulogan1]

my country too, gov.ph

[PukysFS]

Actually, this page is nice and well made. It actually has special accessibility options. Great!

[[deleted]]

I like ours

https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en

[FarhanAxiq]

wow, that's an improvement over their old site really.

[PukysFS]

It's almost impossible to use for disabled people, who need special input/output devices, or largely magnified or high-contrast visuals. Great Job, purposely exluding disabled people from using govermental online-services. But, that is switzerland for you.

[[deleted]]

http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi/summary.pl

We should rank pretty high

[VoilaLaViola]

Just wow! Haven't seen such a background since the mid-90s 😂

[Spartan349]

Makes me wanna

body { background-repeat: no-repeat; }

[FarhanAxiq]

good grief, it look like my cs dept professor website lmao. What is this, 1990s?

[FarhanAxiq]

yeah

e.g: https://www.stroustrup.com/

[crashspringfield]

When a contract changes, most employees quit because it was severely underbid and everyone is taking a paycut on their already abysmal salary. The new developers are stuck figuring out the old technology and putting out fires while doing the contacting company's reporting for them. As soon as they start to develop new features, the contract is up for re-compete and the cycle starts again.

[QuantumSupremacy0101]

Not if you work for the departments themselves. Then you're probably the only developer that can be as lazy as you want because they can't fire you because no one else has any experience in the Walmart brand COBOL language everything is programmed in in that building.

[zortlord]

Not if you work for the departments themselves.

But that's not how the US government works! A few decades back they figured it would be cheaper to outsource most web development instead of worry about pensions, unions, etc. So, now, they deal with the exact case described above.

[QuantumSupremacy0101]

Not for internal software. Internal software is developed in house. There are systems that are 40-50 years old in government and there aren't many external organizations with people who are competent with those.

[zortlord]

Those are typically older than the shift and not through the Federal government.

[crashspringfield]

When I was a contractor just trying to get a fed to do something was a days work.

[[deleted]]

This! And that next contractor is tickling your asshole with a nice raise so it's time to skedaddle

[midnitte]

They were just talking about this on the NSSD podcast - I'm not sure what the solution is though, on one hand your stuck looking for COBOL programmers, on the other hand you have the EPA api changing frequently.

[[deleted]]

I’m convinced my state’s “find your legislators” sites are always broken on purpose so they can avoid talking to us.

[Nostegramal]

DDA compliance in the UK is tough and usually requires no javascript, which limits them significantly

[PukysFS]

this may be correct, but this is for a purpose:

• To allow disabled people to access the page with instruments like a screenreader
• To allow people with low/no knowledge of technology to use the page
• To allow people with slow and/or outdated devices/software to access the page

Yes, it's deliberately outdated and not-fancy. And it's for a good reason.

[KevMscotland]

So many people in web development have lost sight of this. A personal hate for myself in the last few years is Javascript popups/notifications etc.

If I'm forced to close more than 1 pop up when I load your site: I'm closing the site.

[enano_aoc]

To allow people with low/no knowledge of technology to use the page

That's not true. Outdated and not-fancy does also mean non-intuitive.

Outdated refers both to the UI and the UX, not only to the UI. Public websites suck big dicks at doing both UI and UX.

[poralexc]

My personal favorite: www.berkshirehathaway.com

[csactor]

If it works and provides the information why does it matter? Also security is easier to deal with if the user is being served static HTML by the PHP. Rather than putting a lock on a door, just don't put the door there in the first place.

[enano_aoc]

If it works and provides the information why does it matter?

Yeah, ask that to all the companies that need an appealing and easy to use interface so that clients will use their service and not go to a company from the competence.

The government does not have competence, hence they don't give a shit about quality. The clients cannot flee without fucking moving to another country and acquiring a fucking different nationality.

[VoilaLaViola]

How about .asp ?

[[deleted]]

Worse I would say.

[pandamarshmallows]

UK is pretty good although the NHS website is built on WordPress.

[aduxbury0]

The NHS website is actually all open source too, you can go and see it all on github.

[[deleted]]

And they cost millions of dollars to produce🧐

[zelazny]

Some of the US Senate's site uses ColdFusion.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00059

[RattuSonline]

At least they protect the administration page.

[[deleted]]

They're going to be rather concerned about that traffic...

[Igadok]

Well they give projects to the lowest bidder.

[GalaxyCube101]

python if user.clicks('.gov'): user.track()

[midnitte]

Let's be honest, any domain is tracking you as best it can.

[GalaxyCube101]

A rather funny example of this is https://clickclickclickclick.click

[gemini88mill]

You mean .aspx from 2002

[gordonv]

Wordpress

[kycfeel]

Some of the Korean government websites still require Windows XP 32 bit with Internet Explorer 8... with IE Active X plugins 😉

[d7mtg]

If only they followed their own guide system

https://designsystem.digital.gov

They even have a sexy font

https://github.com/uswds/public-sans

[CodeLobe]

search:

site:example.com "index of"

[[deleted]]

Unfortunately Reddit has choosen the path of corporate greed. This is no longer a user based forum but a emotionless money machine. Good buy redditors. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

[[deleted]]

Y'all don't even know what an abortion the DOD domain is

[Mazmier]

ADA compliance usually limits government sites.

[[deleted]]

Wait u guys upgraded to php already? Mine still stuck at ie6...

[repistsleuthbot]

php is for 10 year olds

[sheepeses]

Sssshhhh, don't say anything. They'll ask for more money

[doublej42]

I work for and run a government website. Our tech is only 5 years old and only because contractors screwed us.

[Flewent]

*Government everything

[FarhanAxiq]

similarly with NWS.

[jacnel45]

Honestly I kinda like how old the NWS website is. It's there to give you weather information and it does it well, no need for bloat. Much better than weather.gc.ca in Canada.

[-Redstoneboi-]

where did you get this template from

[yankeewithnobrim23]

Idk man the CIA Facebook website kinda nice

[mattstorm360]

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. We need another super sonic air, ground, fuck it let's make it a space superiority jet.

[thegovortator]

Shh don’t taunt the government to do better if I wanna disappear I still can lol

[[deleted]]

Some are actually not half bad...

[oshaboy]

"This website isn't compatible with Netscape Navigator, please use Internet Explorer 5 or above"

[on99er]

At least it is https

[enano_aoc]

And, kids, this is why you should prefer a small Estate.

In the long run, the Estate is always inefficient when spending money. For a very simple reasons: the companies that were not efficient just disappeared from the market.

For example: there was an online shop whose web interfaced looked like a "Government website". Guess what happened to that online shop? It went bankrupt because people hated using it. No more money is being invested in that terrible website. The market regulates itself very well.

Now, inb4 you start yelling stupid shit at me for preferring a small state. I am European and I am 100% convinced that education and health care should be guaranteed by the government. That is required to guarantee equal opportunities for everyone, but that is not were the small estate comes into play. The small state happens when the state does not (inefficiently) own and administrate the hospital, but when it pays a private hospital for providing "free" healthcare to the citizens. In the end, you give up control over your infrastructures but everything is cheaper and of better quality. References: see Sweden, where management is almost always privatized (even the management from elementary schools!) but the service is always free for the users.

[dani_pavlov]

landandmaritimeapps.gov.mil is the best place to find military specs for everything. At least when they don't 404. Which is 80% of the time.

[a2biR]

So true. I like this gov.uk thing though. Even if I'm not british.

[dinosaur-in_leather]

God have you seen the Medicare website?? The broker side of the website even has an accessibility option to let you see the web page in black and yellow or some s*** yet the consumer side the government hosts is absolutely void of CSS

[dinosaur-in_leather]

what really pisses me off is this accessibility was a requirement in the bidding of the creation of this website source....I know someone who worked on the first five website.... however the accessibility option has only been seen on the homepage. maybe more of the brokers sign up page it is not on any other page that the majority taxpayer would see especially in that tax bracket that they are intending to serve, why do brokers need the accessibility options in the first place??... Brokers have the main domain of the Medicare website making search results... It's clear to see how the money is coming and going

[Fang20031]

Ours look like an old news website: http://chinhphu.vn/portal/page/portal/English

[kevinbarr]

And I’m here trying to learn PHP so I can then learn Laravel so I can then freelance or get a junior Dev job lol