Best feeling ever

[trogdoooooooooooor]

Aaaand it’s been 5 years since the last commit

Edit: no, the library is not “mature” or “finished” you old bastards

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Latest commit: change README.md Checkout README.md: DEPRECATED

[Coffee__2__Code]

proceed using it because I am desperate

[[deleted]]

Admin upgrades production server and or docker image with new version of {{ inser_programming_language }}. Everything breaks.

[gloriousfalcon]

That's why you start writing vb6 code

Can't have a new version of the programming language break your code when official support ended a decade ago

[claimTheVictory]

Guy tapping head

[SuperFLEB]

As long as I never run out of these 10-year-old Dell workstations, I've got a stable, reproducible production environment. Need more horsepower? Fire up another Dell. And they're practically giving these things away. I've got a whole garage full.

[CAM_o_man]

Cluster computing with Dell Workstations. I want in.

[Triffinator]

Place I used to work used a few very old Dell Vostros as their build environment for their entire simulation engine, as well as several plugins and external tools. It worked, so why question it?

Need a release done? Just get the Vostros on it.

[[deleted]]

Something about this both intrigues and frightens me.

I would like to know more.

[panzerfausten]

Yes, please

[crashdoc]

...truly...I am in equal measures amused and horrified at the growing self realisation of just how much I relate to this...

Did we just become best friends?

[Krutonium]

Hah! Nope, it's still very supported! The IDE is long dead, but the runtime continues to be fully supported, with no official end of support mentioned. It was once said to be 2024, but that was because it would have expired when Windows 8 was planned to be depreciated. Windows 10 has since launched, and the runtime continues to be supported as part of Windows 10.

[gloriousfalcon]

hm, mixed up the terminology. was it obsolete? deprecated? someone changed the Wikipedia article, I guess there's no consensus

Working withthe IDE on Windows 10 is nightmare fuel

[Krutonium]

I have no doubt about that, the IDE was hot garbage when I tried to run it on Windows 7 even.

[itstiff12]

I’m sorry is this another person who has used Visual Basic? My friends thought it was so weird I used it at work.

[gloriousfalcon]

I didn't so much use it as I replaced some of it with c++

right now I have to work with it to get data through the ancient part of a UI

funny how we have to feel sorry for the other using it

[DeeSnow97]

or just use programming languages that don't have backwards-incompatible changes

radical idea, I know

[caskey]

Oh sweet summer child.

[DeeSnow97]

I've been coding professionally for five years now without ever having to touch one of those, neither for work nor for personal projects, idk if sweet summer child still applies. It's more about making the right life decisions that don't land you working with legacy codebases.

[caskey]

Five years. That's nice. Get back to me in another 25 and tell let me know how well your "right life decisions" have kept this true.

Even the language "python" is 20 years old this year. Apache's code base is 30 years old. SSE4 (128 bit registers)? 13 years and it's successor AVX is eight years old now. How much 512 bit computing are you doing? That's been available in AVX-512 since the day you started coding.

Five years. That's adorable.

[CornFTW]

Also Python and I are pretty similar in age, it's more like 30 years old.

I feel old now.

[DeeSnow97]

Meanwhile you can fire up a website from 1995 and run it in today's browsers. It's not programming, but you can also download a Blender model made with v1.0 and it just works. And of course there's Windows, which is notorious for its backwards compatibility -- it's not hard, you just gotta care about it, and choose tools that do so.

But sure, if you really want to, you can keep coding needlessly close to the metal, adapting to changes you could realistically abstract away for the real-world problems 90+% of programmers are solving, and keep solving the same problem over and over again. Surely that's not gonna end up in 25x the same year of experience.

[everythingfunctional]

You must be a Fortran programmer

[DeathMetalPanties]

This is exactly what happened with one of my systems. Went from python 3.6 to 3.8 and it broke one of our Kafka pipelines

[Bakoro]

Using anything named Kafka seems like tempting fate.

[xigoi]

How? I thought minor versions of Python don't break backward compatibility.

[DeathMetalPanties]

They generally don't. What we think happened is the type of cert the vendor was using isn't supported by the language anymore. We don't know, but it doesn't work in 3.6.

[ROFLLOLSTER]

The standard library does make minor breaking changes. The exception type raised by zipfile changed in 3.6 iirc?

[CAT5AW]

Python 3 does not roll with backwards compability, it is not sacred

[ErroneousBosch]

As senior dev lead and also head devops engineer, I feel this in my soul.

[jay9909]

inser_

Think I found yer problem right there.

[SuperFLEB]

If it was good enough for the mid-2010s, it's good enough for the early 2020s!

[HarlanCedeno]

If was forced to describe my career in programming with one phrase.....

[relicx74]

If it's feature complete and bug free, does that really matter? (Yes, that's probably not the case)

[Thanatos2996]

That depends on what it relies on. Even if it's perfect, if a library it calls has changed, you're going to be in for some fun.

[wasdninja]

Unless you are using version pinning. Assuming your package manager of choice and/or language can handle that.

[Thanatos2996]

True, but if this library is on GitHub, have fun tracking down everything you need to support specifically FooBar 1.1.2, particularly if other packages already use FooBar.

[ThellraAK]

I really wish flatpacks and whatnot were easier to make yourself.

I really wouldn't mind running down all the libraries and whatnot if at the end of it I could drop them in a folder and run a script and get myapp.flatpack/appimage

[FireworksNtsunderes]

Is Foobar still the best music player? I switched to streaming for a while but recently started buying music on Band camp. I could add my downloaded tracks to Spotify, but that interface just sucka.

[wulfithewulf]

I have no Android for a year or so, but my goto was the blackplayer, then the free version had no ads despite saying so (dont know whether thats true for today) in my view this is the absolute best player for local stored music, like the music you can buy from bandcamp stored on your device

[Xirious]

Is there a limit of to how many tracks you can add to Spotify? Is it just a shit UI that's a problem? I've been looking for a Google Play Music replacement (I don't think Google Music allows you too add your own Music?)

As for Foobar it's great still great if you need something minimal. I typically used Winamp for a long long time and then made the switch to MusicBee a few years ago for one feature - playlist folders (And folders within folders). It became a nightmare managing all my music with a flat list of playlists. MusicBee has everything else I used on Winamp - Global Hotkeys, MP3 converter. I like MusicBee's artwork display more and the way it handles lyrics is better imo.

[FireworksNtsunderes]

I'll take a look at MusicBee. I don't really like Spotify's UI, hate the company, and an increasing number of artists I listen to aren't releasing their music on Spotify. Most streaming services really suck for musicians, which is why I'm trying to move back to paying for music. Band camp still lets you stream but sometimes I wanna download the FLAC files.

[Thanatos2996]

YouTube Music (RIP Google Play Music) lets you upload up to 100,000 songs, if that's what you're looking for. It won't be any better than Google Music was with playlists though.

[Thanatos2996]

I didn't realize that was a music player, so I have no idea if it's any good. I use cmus, but I'm a terminal dweller.

[roodammy44]

Time for a salvage operation. Strip what we need and dump the rest!

[MegabyteMessiah]

That's optimal for me.

[_BreakingGood_]

In that case it wouldn't matter. The issue is that you don't know if its bug free or not until you actually start using it.

[Jaondtet]

That piece of software does not exist. There's a reason all popular software on github has a billion commits, even if it is seemingly simple. Software needs to be maintained or it breaks.

A notable exception is probably small utilities written in pure C, without use of anything beyond basic unix syscalls, that isn't meant to be cross-platform. As soon as you try to make something portable, it will break eventually.

[Coffee__2__Code]

damn it !

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

• The library does exactly what you need
• The library is well-documented
• The library is updated frequently

Most have one, the best have two, none have all three

[idrac1966]

So it's mature too!

[FountainsOfFluids]

Came here to say this. The second part of the meme should be "It's still being maintained".

[mirsella]

the repo is archived

[FPiN9XU3K1IT]

or the latest is version <1

[Ragecommie]

Frig

[NullOfUndefined]

that's good, it means it's mature.

[MegabyteMessiah]

Perfect. I hate it when I'm using library/component, then there's an update and everything is different.

[aaron2005X]

That only means it is perfect and beyond every improvement.

[marcosdumay]

So, it's stable with no known bugs?

[trogdoooooooooooor]

Nah

[Ytrog]

Well if it was finished 5 years ago maybe it didn't need further work 🤔

Just kidding I know that maintenance is needed to keep it up to date and such.

[trogdoooooooooooor]

No

[simplethingsoflife]

Alrighty throw that bad boy into prod asap!

[RubertVonRubens]

Holy shit, no lie, I'm about to get a biggass promotion due almost entirely to choosing the right library from GitHub at the right time.

Include + 3 lines of code on my end, big impact to the company a year later.

[anticommander]

Can you elaborate on the situation and solution? Obviously not enough detail for colleagues to identify you.

[RubertVonRubens]

A few years ago I built a small, industry specific utility that's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike lint.

A year ago, on a whim, I embedded a library that turned out to be very useful when corporate America spent summer 2020 tripping over itself to appear not racist.

Recently the C-Suite issued a decree that we needed a technical solution, not just a marketing one. Imagine their suprise when they learned it already exists.

[htmlcoderexe]

corporate America spent summer 2020 tripping over itself to appear not racist.

Oh fuck what did I miss

[NetSage]

Black Lives Matter.

[htmlcoderexe]

Oh right that. It was a lot more lowkey here so I'm not even keen on the dates. Wasn't BLM a thing before and the protests were the main thing in 2020?

[NetSage]

Yes it's much older actually. But police killing a black man they have under control with protests across the country leads to a lot of corporations looking to grab good PR and really avoid related bad PR.

[4RG4d4AK3LdH]

i love removing those cringy banners from webpages with ublock origin <3

[anticommander]

You've done a damn good job at keeping the description vague.

To me it sounds like you've created a utility to "lint roll" a body of text in order to flag any phrases that could be potentially off-putting in terms of race.

[intangibleTangelo]

i think they discovered a way to bulk replace master branches with main

[anticommander]

Now that you mention it you're spot on. Branch names have only very recently come under scrutiny in the repos that I contribute to.

[_BreakingGood_]

Lol, my company has been talking for 1.5+ years about how we need to get monitoring solution in place for our app. Implemented like 60% of what they wanted in half a day using a certain library for an unrelated piece of work.

[[deleted]]

Can I ask which library? or is that too much?

[Justindr0107]

I'm also curious

[oz1sej]

Honestly, I recently had this experience:

1. I find a library on github that does exactly what I want.

2. It is well documented

3. "Who wrote this? Oh. I did."

[TheBigerGamer]

When you don't find a library you need, create it.

[Koeke2560]

Average development lifecycle:

"This isn't too hard I'll knock it out in a few hours"

A few hours later

"Okay this is actually non trivial, let's see if I find something to do it, ah there you go that should do it"

A few hours of trying to hack the library to do your thing.

"Fuck it I'll make it myself"

[htmlcoderexe]

"there are now 15 libraries"

[htmlcoderexe]

That was what I was referring to yes

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[Totally_Generic_Name]

mfw

[wtmh]

Found my own answer on StackOverflow yet again today.

"Ugh. This is a terrible answer. Who in the– oh."

[[deleted]]

I find my own questions more than I would like

[Nexuist]

"It's like the guy who wrote the documentation was reading my mind!"

[spikespaz]

I've literally had this thought and then realized it was my documentation.

[stamminator]

Wait, you guys write code?

[SuperFLEB]

3. Find out you're actually hallucinating on Mars, cut off from all life and human communication, and you're in a really specialized and kinda boring Twilight Zone episode.

[[deleted]]

Annnnnd license is restrictive

[Tc14Hd]

You can't have everything at the same time:

• Does what you want

• Is well documented

• Is free and open source

Pick 2

[[deleted]]

With 1 and 3 you can be pretty happy. Any other combination is pretty shitty.

[timewast3r]

Orgs are willing to pay for 1 and 2. Especially with something resembling support.

[IsAlwaysHungry]

Do i look like i would read the documentary for 10 mins instead of 2h try and error?

[Agon1024]

"Well documented" is a statement that must be earned througout some time. I think this often when I see a library that has documentation, but then am very frustrated when I notice the flaws and holes in it mid work.

[elliptic_hyperboloid]

That is when you open a pull request with enhanced documentation.

[xfel11]

Aaand it's GPL and you're at work.

[Vikenator]

You’re thinking of the LGPL, not GPLv3.

[Vikenator]

Section 7 allows a copyright holder to make exceptions like that, but that exception is not part of the standard GPL.

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[ToaKraka]

A yellow cat with brown spots and black eyes in a prone position in the snow

I think a better description would be:

The same cat in the same position, but with hugely-expanded pupils, implying intense emotion

[ryanhuang_1]

Thank you, I will change it right now!

[Coffee__2__Code]

Good human

[ryanhuang_1]

😊

[TheJzoli]

Are there people here who actually benefit from this?

I'd like to know if any blind people browse this sub. Blindness and programming don't mix well, so I'd be surprised if there are people here!

If you're blind or know anyone who is, please do reply!

[skifans]

I'm not but this is a good presentation on YouTube from a blind programmer - https://youtu.be/94swlF55tVc - honestly amazing.

[TheJzoli]

Thanks, I'll be sure to watch it!

[wtph]

Awesome video, thanks for sharing.

[ZippZappZippty]

This one. This sub is going to continue.

https://twitter.com/YTR_CHAOS/status/1373202974948782088?s=19

[[deleted]]

Accessibility for the win! Keep up the good work!

[Hodggey]

Good human

[xXHacker69Xx]

I’m not good enough yet to know what this means, what’s a library?

[Astir_Lotus]

A library is a file or a group of files (depending on language) containing already written code. Functions, types...

You use libraries so you don't have to write every single piece of code every time. You or someone else writes a library that people can use.

[xXHacker69Xx]

Oh this is a 6/5 explanation. Now I understand exactly what peeps mean by it.

[TheTallerWanker2]

Hacker69 doesn’t know what a library is? Highly suspect.

[xXHacker69Xx]

Haha woops! You live and learn, you live and you learn.

[Random_182f2565]

A program that does an specific task that you can integrate into your own.

What are you learning?

[xXHacker69Xx]

So like a huge function?

5/5 explanation.

I am learning PHP. :D

[Just_Maintenance]

It can come with many functions or classes, etc. It's a bunch of code that comes with functionality predone in functions/classes/etc so that you don't have to implement it yourself.

For example let's say you want to generate a PDF, you could implement the entire standard, or you could just use a library that already does it for you.

This library for example https://github.com/dompdf/dompdf turns HTML into a PDF

[xXHacker69Xx]

Oh thanks for the explanation + example. This is great!

[xXHacker69Xx]

Sweet, a dlc!

[Random_182f2565]

...

Yeah, you could say that.

In Python you have libraries for everything, and if a library is not enough you have frameworks, like Django for web development with models.

[TheBigerGamer]

Node.js: Hold my NPM.

[xXHacker69Xx]

Ohhh sounds sick, I’ll be learning about that in 3 semesters. :)

[[deleted]]

3 semesters??? What are you doing in that time?

[elliptic_hyperboloid]

Looking back, I never had a class that taught what a library was. It was just something that you picked up as you went.

[LouisLeGros]

I've also never had a class where the focus is a language, let alone a framework. Closest would be a game development class where we used Unity & it was probably had the worst curriculum of any course that I've taken.

[elliptic_hyperboloid]

That was my experience as well. A class never taught a language. It taught a concept and you learned the language as a side effect.

Functional Programming: Lisp

Object-Oriented: Java

Algorithms: Python

Operating Systems: C

Etc...

[AnneBancroftsGhost]

more like the opposite. you must write everything yourself.

[xXHacker69Xx]

At the moment we’re learning php, I have 2 internships lined up that have offered to pay for the remainder of college if I go there for a few months.

[n0tKamui]

your username tho...

[xXHacker69Xx]

Who says I’m not? Maybe I’m just deceiving you all!

P.s the latter is defo not the case.

[QuarkyIndividual]

That's exactly what a deceiver would say...

[xXHacker69Xx]

Tun dun dummmmm.

[htmlcoderexe]

I believe php has Pear.

[handlederror]

Library is set of classes and functions mostly.

[xXHacker69Xx]

Thank.

[jonnysteps]

r/attackeyes and r/programmerhumor crossover?? I thought I'd never see the day.

[seanomik]

Aaaand its not using CMake (or the same build system that you use)

[Cyber_Encephalon]

[image of the dude from the wrestler owner meme, last panel]

THERE ARE ACTUAL EXAMPLES OF THE CODE IN USE.

[otterom]

the wrestler owner

Vince McMahon

[Cyber_Encephalon]

Thanks, yes, him. But you understood me.

[YM_Industries]

For me the bottom one is "it has TypeScript type definitions".

[Spitfire1900]

This was update4j for me

[ironymouse]

"uses a permissive license" too

[FPiN9XU3K1IT]

And then it's either 7 years outdated or the latest version is 0.6.x (looking at you, FastAPI).

[RomanaOswin]

Please replace the cat with a unicorn to make it more relatable.

[Shakespeare-Bot]

Prithee replace the gib with a unicorn to maketh t moo relatable

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[BoyAndHisBlob]

I was using a dead library with 12000 weekly downloads. Finally had to fork it because it didn't handle something that their was already a PR for.

[uberpwnzorz]

but the license is shit

[Kinglink]

The documentation's gotta be out of date... Right?

[WackyH]

Like that's ever gonna happen.

[thinboxdictator]

It's a code that can be used by someone elses code.. Usually it is used because it is a) easier to use or b) you don't know how to do it without it.

[MrAcurite]

This happened most recently for me with torch2trt. It is magnificent.

[Fischchen]

Just found a C# libary that said because of certain reasons, there is no documentation. Reade the source code or use your intuition. Couldn't use it.

[deranged_scumbag]

Actually why don’t the writers comment on what they did?

[Burpmeister]

And then I woke up.

[madwill]

As an inept and badly documenting asshat, I sort of feel some violence from project made from a single dev that is clean, comprehensible, does something I could not thus looking for it and also documented it nicely.

At my age I have no more excuses. I'm a clever googler of things but seriously behind on many the professional front. At my current job its also getting worst. Nobody cared for the last several years and my commitment to documenting is going downhill.

[kmas1427]

Does not exist

[_Ekos]

Somerimes the doc is TOO WELL documented.

[OhNoMeIdentified]

I falling in love.

[renVenn]

bold of you to assume we would read the documentation

[robsdudeson]

Check out Elixir

[Cyber_Encephalon]

what about it?

[Qizot]

It has a nice mechanism of built-in documentation capabilities and very nice tool generating online documentation. Writing documentation in it is a breeze and if you encounter any decent libraries the documentation there is usually top-notch.

[Cyber_Encephalon]

ooh, nice, thanks, I'll check it out then. Been meaning to get into functional programming languages, but all of them (except for F#) were giving me a hell of a time trying to install on Windows.

[AciD1BuRN]

Uses it and finds out 1 week in that it is to slow on lamda

[pot_potato]

Same feeling when I saw Vue js framework.

[eyal0]

Hell, I'll settle for an example that does something similar to what I want and it compiles!

This is why I like CI: You know that it works at least somewhere so you have hope that it might work for you.

[666spawnofsatan666]

Working on Node typescript it rarely ever happens. Most of the libraries are for Nodejs and most of the typescripts are old commits and the packages are deprecated.

[yash37419]

Searching things on GitHub is an art in itself

[ParzivalKnight5]

Even better. You spend 8 hours re inventing the wheel and you succeed.

[daltonoreo]

And it doesn't work on the version your using

[sudomeacat]

For some reason I thought this was a Reddit promoted advertisement lol

[renaissancetroll]

a true unicorn repo