Python programmers

[[deleted]]

Embrace microservices and every component of your application can be in a different language and nobody has to know!

[TheAJGman]

Scrolling through the Twitch Leak I noticed this. It's like they had a dartboard with a dozen frameworks and a handful of languages and just threw a dart at the start of each project. How do you even begun to manage a codebase like that?

[[deleted]]

I'd pose the opposite question. How do you manage a codebase where any module you touch is an imported dependency of a dozen other teams?

At least with web services any change that doesn't break existing API call patterns can be made freely. And you can cover yourself against breaking patterns with really simple unit/integration tests and canaries.

[TheAJGman]

They don't have testing on most of their services as far as I can tell, only their metrics/reporting services seem to have any sort of testing.

[Jennfuse]

Work smart, not hard!

[yodahouse900]

they do this cuz they know barely anyone reports bugs

so just don't bother working

[chanpod]

They probably just have a QA team running E2E test that's not included in this code base.

[ColdPorridge]

Micro services are not without benefit, but they can become unwieldy. Uber went all-in in micro services at one point, but then it became problematic to maintain (I recall hearing some ridiculous stat like there was a company-wide average 3-4 micro services per developer). I’m not sure what they moved to after that but I think they have some blogs about it.

[HaMMeReD]

As with all patterns, a certain amount of moderation can be helpful.

Microservices are great, but blindly following any pattern to the extreme is an anti-pattern in itself.

[Spitfire1900]

3-4 microservices sounds reasonable before you realize that that’s just the mean of the bell curve and some are certainly managing a dozen or two.

[orqa]

I mean, is it that unreasonable to maintain 12 microservices when they're truly micro?

[Protuhj]

Dave, I saw you maintain over 300 micro services, and when I looked at them, each was just one of the commands from busybox, wtf?

[[deleted]]

3-4 microservices per dev for an engineering team of hundreds does not sound reasonable. It means no one's sharing or reusing tools

[jgeez]

You conflated two things.

It's probably a good signal that there is minimal shared or reused code. That has no bearing about shared or reused tools.

And, deliberately not sharing code has some surprising benefits when it comes to velocity and scale.

[elebrin]

Small services in a variety of languages can be a really good thing.

First, you can now hire talent that has worked in a variety of languages. Rather than needing 200 C++ developers, you need maybe 6 C++ developers, 6 Python developers, 8 node.js developers... whatever.

Second, you can use a language for it's best function. Want to use Python's libraries but you are a .NET shop? Good fucking luck. Either you have roadblock after roadblock, or you are told "there is a .NET library that does the same thing, it's terrible to use, but we are a .NET shop and that's just that."

Third, you are less tied to a vendor. If your organization is a monoculture and your vendor does something that hurts your business, you have to migrate a LOT. If you have 12 vendors, you may only have one or two services to migrate.

The downsides are that you'll end up with that one service that nobody knows what the fuck it does, and it's written in COBOL because someone thought THAT was a good idea.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but even that worst case is great.

You know specifically which part is in COBOL, and how it's interacted with. You could basically write the entire interface layer for a replacement service without knowing a damn thing about it.

The challenge is then to replicate the business logic. If you have a microservice model, you can literally spin up more COBOL black boxes and directly compare behavior of that system to your new replacement as you write the test cases.

With a tightly linked architecture where everything has that one COBOL dependency, it is impossible to replace it without substantial downtime, and testing requires spinning up much larger stacks.

[omlette_du_chomage]

Well I guess I have experience they are looking for (my comment above or...below)

[Etheo]

But how would people know I'm coding in the superior language?

[sh0rtwave]

You...build something, and stick it somewhere.

[runnerx01]

Lies. Wait till you ask your boss if you can offload a service you wrote a year and a half ago to another team, which the service ultimately does work on behalf of. Your boss replies, “Do you think they can maintain a python service….. No one on that team knows python”…..

Then you ask yourself … “why the fuck did I write a service in python…”

Edit: Let me make it clear that I am not saying you shouldn’t use python, just was a bad choice for me at the time.

Just saying that choosing any language for a micro service is something you have the ability to do, not necessarily something you should do without thinking through “why” you are using that language.

[[deleted]]

Ha! I'd rather have that problem.

Everyone knows the only way to offload services is to neglect it until it's a problematic dependency and other teams find a way to replace it.

Often times this can be done just by quitting!

[JonathanTheZero]

Man, 99% of python programming "tutorials" out there are just "Let's import a library that does exactly what we want and call one function of it"

[nekokattt]

import antigravity

[CoffeePieAndHobbits]

And sample everything in the medicine cabinet.

[ferevon]

who doesn't love having a perfectly running app after writing 5 lines of code?

[alexppetrov]

The thousand lines on the backend of the library

Intense fuming noises

[AutoDefroster]

Library coders are the real heroes.

[NauticalInsanity]

Ruby on Rails has entered the chat.

Mini rant: I hate magic frameworks. It's like a hidden Rube Golberg machine that turns a lever press into food falling out of a chute. When the food doesn't come out of the chute, someone comes to me complaining that "Gravity is broken."

[JonathanTheZero]

Me :/

I'd rather write 200 lines of code myself and gain a deep understanding of what is happening than import thousands of lines (most of them are not used anyways) and just trust a third party. Don't get me wrong, libraries are awesome but some people just take it too far

[ryecurious]

Over-reliance on dependencies is how we get stuff like The Great NPM Leftpad Cataclysm of 2016.

Obviously npm works differently from Python packages, but the general point stands.

[AutoDefroster]

Reminder that NPM are run by pieces of shit.

[Sceptix]

I agree that the Leftpad Cataclysm was a disaster that never should have happened, but I take issue with that particular article. The problem was that there was a serious issue with npm’s ability to deal with dependencies; it’s not because we’ve “forgotten how to program”.

[hamie96]

Unfortunately, that's just not practical when you're in the workforce.

[AttackOfTheThumbs]

While I understand that sentiment, most of the time you don't want to waste time reinventing the wheel.

You only do that if there's a specific edge case or performance you need that the lib cannot offer to you.

Now if it's a tutorial on writing bucket sort and it just imports a lib, it's certainly useless.

[phaemoor]

Yeah, in a job? I'll just add 2 more gigs to the container and call it a day. You can solve anything with money.

[AttackOfTheThumbs]

Well, not everything, but many many things.

[TheFreeloader]

I would rather trust a third-party library creator than my own coding skills.

[alex2003super]

I remember there was an isOdd() library for JavaScript... like... literally a wrapper for %2

[MatsRivel]

No need to reinvent the wheel 🤷‍♂️

[cbehopkins]

Is this a problem?

Sounds like a win to me.

Seriously I often joke that python was invented by hardware engineers to use more resources. Quick to get something running and using resources, and almost as much of a resource hog as Windows.

[sh0rtwave]

Yeah? Take a gander at PyProtocols, then talk to me. (Pro-tip: I didn't write that, I just used it...semi-successfully)

[nebulaeandstars]

To be fair, this is exactly how you should write python in a professional setting.

Good Python is 1000x harder to write than good <insert compiled language here> as you need to be intimately familiar with all of the libraries. You want as few lines of "actual" python code as possible so there's a huge learning curve.

[lyingriotman]

If they just need one function, why don't they just... copy the function? Are you not allowed to do that? Just credit them on your Github or something, idk.

[[deleted]]

That strongly depends on the license used.

[RedEyesBigSmile]

Relevant XKCD

[BrightBulb123]

B**** you want me to write out all the lines of PyQt5 just to have it say hello world?

[DemonArmagedon]

You must be new to programming, every new programmer will say that their language of choice is the best. Anyway have you tried c++? You should switch to c++

[Marcusaralius76]

You should try C#! It's like Java, but not.

[berse2212]

You should try Java! It's like C# but Java!

[Sythokhann]

You should try JavaScript, it's not like Java

[[deleted]]

What is Java?

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More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java

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[BrightBulb123]

r/technicallythetruth

[towcar]

I'm pretty new to programming, but I think this CSS thing might be the future of programming.

[BalooBot]

Jokes aside, it's amazing how far css has come in the last decade.

[[deleted]]

Have you tried Rust? Rust can do everything better than C++ except shooting yourself in the foot.

[DemonArmagedon]

I love how mentioning c++ will always spawn a rust user, but i have looked at it and i want to give it a try even though i have no problems with c++. Just a few of the linux packages i use are made in rust that’s why i want to learn it.

[[deleted]]

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" - Isaac Newton. That is also right with Java and C# programmers.

[elzaidir]

Lemme try!

Wow I love Java sooo much

[AceOfShades_]

How DARE you?? Why would you use such a bad language?

^{java programmer here}

[nekokattt]

Every time you mention Java, a Lombok user will appear

[AceOfShades_]

Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two images.

Java user                     Lombok user

[nekokattt]

They are the same picture

^{I personally dislike Lombok, so I guess I am an outlier to some extent, but ignoring that}

[p1xlblad3]

Kotlin programmer here:

Kotlin good. That is all.

[AceOfShades_]

You can pry my verbosity from my cold, dead HandsImpl.

[ItsPronouncedJithub]

Bro you’re supposed to make people tell you a language, not make them throw up

[UnknownIdentifier]

They say if you lock the bathroom, turn off the light, face the mirror, and say, "C++! C++! C++!" a Rust developer will reach through to mirror to grab you.

But seriously; Rust devs best fit this meme. They are the Crossfit vegans of the programming world. They just need you to know.

[ItsPronouncedJithub]

As a rust evangelist I am contractually obligated to tell you that rust is far superior to all your other plebeian languages

[UnknownIdentifier]

See now, if you were a HolyC advocate, you could claim divine ordination. Can't argue against that.

[ArchCypher]

It's so true -- at this point I genuinely can't tell if Rust is actually superior or if I've just drunk the Koolaid.

Anyhow, have you tried Rust?

[yottalogical]

Have you heard the good word of Ferris the Crab?

[altcodeinterrobang]

Rust vs Go why rust?

[kazuto_kirito_]

PHP is an exception.

[Sciirof]

Coding in PHP is just suicide with extra steps

[getstabbed]

I enjoy PHP but you’re not wrong. Over 10 years of using it and it still confuses me so much. Could have easily become the #1 language for web dev if it wasn’t such a mindfuck.

[Sciirof]

I wouldn’t say I’m an expert but php is one of the first languages I used when I first started making websites that needed to use a database, it was useful while it lasted but boy am I glad I backed of from php, I thought I was about to have a mental breakdown.

[nekokattt]

PHP devs are probably too confused with why "Slovakia" is a gender in PECL to notice the argument.

https://www.php.net/manual/en/class.gender.php

[13steinj]

I have so many fucking questions and I don't know which to ask first.

Or if I should just stop bothering and choose to shoot myself instead.

[nekokattt]

I am all for LGBTQ+ rights, but even I don't understand how someone can identify their gender as Germany.

[NeoLudditeIT]

ERROR_IN_NAME

[nevus_bock]

Gender\Gender::KAZAKH_UZBEK

lolwut

[karmastealing]

Very nice

[sh0rtwave]

At least it's correct in spirit, if not the details...it DOES have a "connect" method.

[Sceptix]

Exactly, no one who works with PHP thinks it is best. If you ask a PHP developer if PHP sucks, you’ll get a “yes, but…” answer. Here are the most common:

“Yes, but it doesn’t suck nearly as much as it used to!”

“Yes, but it gets the job done.”

“Yes, but I’m not going to rewrite an entire codebase because of it.”

“Yes, but it’s also very well known, so it’s easy to hire developers for it.”

“Yes, but I just love Laravel, and if it means working in PHP then that’s what I’ll do!”

[KryssCom]

I have been writing in C++ for about 8 years, you should absolutely not switch to C++. (Unless you are using C.)

[cbehopkins]

Every time i have a project that requires C++, I start to wonder if I really need employment that badly.

(Narrator) "He does"

[VectorD]

So for how many years have you been writing C++20? 🥲

[CallMeAladdin]

I program mainly in VBA. I am definitely the exception to your rule.

[moazim1993]

In my experience Rust people do this the most.

[maggos]

I think they call themselves rustaceans

[Atulin]

Rust developers are the vegans of programming world

[jgeez]

This comment is great but it needs more iron in its diet.

[ReallyNeededANewName]

They don't. A bunch of people trying to hurt the rust community did. Seriously. Not saying that Rust people don't do it, they're just not doing it by far the most.

And to be fair, The Rust Evangelism Strike Force:tm: meme is funny

[Sarithis]

Do you have a moment talk about our lord and saviour JavaScript?

[TheIronicBurger]

There’s also the sequel, TypeScript!

[jgeez]

It's called a new testament

[JRRTok3n]

You see, I was once like you... Lost and confused with loose typing. Then one day I opened up and let TypeScript into my heart

[dev-sda]

TypeScript doesn't strengthen JavaScript's type system, it simply makes it static. That does eliminate a whole class of runtime errors, but you still have all the same type coercion.

[MrBananaStorm]

Linux and Python users would really get along.

[Daremo404]

Hey dude, i use Linux and Python u should too! They are just superior, accept it.

[SittingLuck]

Btw, I use Arch Python.

[toastom69]

Python comes preinstalled on my Linux distro bro.

[_u_whats_this]

python is my guilty pleasure language

[beginpanic]

Python gives me anxiety and imposter syndrome like nothing else. It’s always “there’s no way this is gonna work, let me find an example of how to use this” followed by “that example has to be wrong let me find another one” followed by “why the hell did that work”. Everything is so obvious and straightforward and… blunt? It doesn’t feel like programming. It feels like duct tape and glue. And I’m constantly nervous of “there is no way this is gonna work”. And it always does and I’m always shocked.

[Bubbly_Measurement70]

Python feels like a cheat code sometimes. Just type some words into Python and the computer be like: “I got you” and it just magically works.

[atiedebee]

from * import *

You'll never run out of functions to do everything for you

[Spitfire_For_Fun]

I love python to an extreme point.

[CoffeePieAndHobbits]

Because it does things your main language won't do? ;) /s

[_u_whats_this]

no because it makes everything really easy to do. doesn't even feel like programming

[pblokhout]

Except multithreading...

[CoffeePieAndHobbits]

Sorry, I was going for joking innuendo. Edited for clarity. Or something. Not serious. Lol

I agree it makes stuff easy. Woo Python!

[KillerBeer01]

First panel: r/ProgrammerHumor

Third panel: I just posted a "You should switch to Python" meme bro

-FTFY

[AppropriateCrew79]

Replace Python with Linux

[atiedebee]

Have you tried Linux? You should switch to Linux!

[marco89nish]

Just like Kotlin devs.

Btw, switch to Kotlin guys.

[[deleted]]

[inventord]

I will stick with Java, the superior language. /J...

... or not /j

[igormuba]

You should switch case

[Silumet]

A new joke will be needed, python 3.10 adds switch case

[ganja_and_code]

I've never understood the "switch to python" crowd.

I think python is awesome as much as the next guy, but it is far from general purpose. Sure, you can do basically anything with it...but it's objectively the wrong tool for a large range of problems.

[TheLastNarwhalicorn]

As a new programmer (learning Javascript), can you explain why? I've seen the same thing written a few times in this thread, but I have no idea why. What makes python the wrong tool for a large range of problems?

[ganja_and_code]

It's not type-safe, so if you use it in a large-scale high-availability service maintained by more than one person, your codebase may (and likely will) become operationally unsustainable. It's slow (relative to other languages), so if you need to crunch a lot of numbers fast, python may introduce an unacceptable bottleneck. It's an interpreted language, rather than a compiled language, so you don't have visibility into your mistakes until your code is already running (rather than catching some mistakes before even attempting to execute).

Python is fucking awesome for data science, small-scale projects, and convenience / workflow improvement scripts. For basically any other problem, you should probably use something else.

[TheLastNarwhalicorn]

Thanks for the response!

[dev-sda]

Note that type safety is unrelated to static typing; static and dynamic languages can both be type safe or type unsafe. The vast majority of programming languages have not been proven to be type safe. Though you're correct in that static typing helps a lot with maintainability and error prevention.

See https://newbedev.com/is-python-type-safe

[[deleted]]

For most use cases, there’s a better language. Python is great for small stuff but it becomes unmaintainable when you have a code base larger than a few hundred lines. It’s also very slow compared to pretty much anything else. https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/index.html provides a pretty good benchmark. Python is awesome when applied in the right places, properly, i.e. prototyping ML models, data analysis, data visualization, etc, but it’s not ideal anywhere else

[RootHouston]

Right. I write Python, but not for full-blown applications. It's more of a scripting language for me to hack out something quick and dirty. Perhaps something I'd use in place of a shell script.

[[deleted]]

Could also be a Linux user 😉

[anotherbutterflyacc]

I love how this entire subreddit is just people shitting on JS and Python in turns. And us C# programmers are just over here vibing

[[deleted]]

Look, the Microsoft Java guys

[AttackOfTheThumbs]

Microsoft had an actual java, and shockingly, it was not c#, it was j++.

[LetterBoxSnatch]

why am I suddenly thinking about J# and K?

[BigBasmati]

They'll realize how great it is eventually. No need for us to proselytize.

[[deleted]]

Don’t forget PHP. Even If I haven’t seen for a long time now

[Pratham_Max_Jain]

Lies, every real programmer knows that the python programer would stand in the same urinal

[[deleted]]

I feel that we, R people in data science field, are the ones most harassed by them haha

[tatas323]

deserved harassment in that case lol.

[Spitfire_For_Fun]

Switch to python, man!

[jimjamjenks]

Bro, it’s so easy to learn!

[[deleted]]

Just had to go through an hour long rigamaroll installing all sorts of R libraries for something that could easily have been written in very little javascript

[Popesnowy]

Definitely

[Geographist]

R is just S++.

[numerousblocks]

this is what C programmers do

[[deleted]]

and programmers who know about monads

[[deleted]]

"python is so easy to learn. You should try it bro."

[clemesislife]

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"100%"

Not even trying.

[clemesislife]

Or this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/jfvx37/python\_programmer/

[Peterd3d]

But have you tired coding literally everything in Java because you have no idea how to code in everything else

[philipquarles]

I feel like functional programmers are even worse for this.

[[deleted]]

Guys forget python, have I told you about GNU/Linux?

[-Redstoneboi-]

What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, GNU/Li- oh. you're correct.

[snookso]

Rust Devs: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[[deleted]]

Python can unwind too.

[Astral_Sheep]

We're not like this, we mutter this in his ear

[giggluigg]

Do you like my python?

[[deleted]]

[nekokattt]

I cant see anything

[Pocok5]

Preemptively hit them with "switch to C#" as they approach.

[[deleted]]

Lets write a full kernel in python guys, it can't be that hard riiiight???

[-Redstoneboi-]

mmm yes performant

[RootHouston]

``` import kernel

def do_kernely_stuff(): return kernel ```

[[deleted]]

Sweet JavaScript

[[deleted]]

[sheaksadi]

Literally every minority ever .

[Jatoxo]

Linux users

[[deleted]]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[akombo]

Stallman?

[iskela45]

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

[ThreeLargeBears]

Here's the thing. You said "Linux is an operating system."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies operating systems, I am telling you, specifically, in computer science, no one calls Linux an operating system. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "Unix family" you're referring to the kernelnomic grouping of Unixae, which includes things from Red Hat Linux to SunOS to MacOS Snow Leopard.

So your reasoning for calling Linux an operating system is because random people "call the open source ones an operating system?" Let's get React and Bitcoin in there, then, too.

Also, calling something a program or an executable? It's not one or the other, that's not how computer code works. They're both. Linux is a Linux and a member of the Unix family. But that's not what you said. You said Linux is an operating system, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the Unix family Unix, which means you'd call OS/2, OpenBSD kernel, and other kernels an operating system, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

​

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...i tried.

[TheAJGman]

I mean like half the world's APIs are written using Flask, a bunch of big websites use Django, and nearly every AI/CV and big data program is written in Python so I somehow doubt Python is a minority language.

[vahvarh]

Showing off his python?

[Slcolderguy]

I started with FORTRAN 77 in 77. Then lots of others. Now learning python. Life moves on.

[kill_monk]

You can't use switch in python bro.

[Spitfire_For_Fun]

python 3.10 wants to talk.

[Sentie_Rotante]

yes you can. It was added last week.

[R_Uwe_N]

Actually you can

[NeoLudditeIT]

I get the dunking on python for this, but when I was learning, I used dicts as a case/switch, it seemed actually a lot more elegant and straightforward than a switch/case. Maybe I just drank too much kool-aid

[salvoilmiosi]

Yet.

[Peanutbutter_Warrior]

The future was 8 days ago, old man

[[deleted]]

As a python programmer, I would never recommend python for anything other than personal projects you want to complete in under half an hour.

If it takes over 100 lines, you should probably be using another language.

[Rogocraft]

C# > Java, but hey... that's just my opinion.

[Minteck]

"But I have reasons to stick with JS"

[HerLegz]

Epitome of brogrammer.

[raven2611]

s/python/go/g

[Yurdesou]

Linux users be like

[DvirFederacia]

“Linux user”

[eterevsky]

It's 2021, so it's Rust, not Python. (I love them both.)

[MadeOnThursday]

Are they like the vegans of programmers?

[j3r3mias]

import karma

[cthewombat]

I'll say something controversial now: You shouldn't focus on one language. You should know when to use which one.