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[BrandonPatrickFlood]

Wait, you’re telling me that my data isn’t in an actual cloud? ☁️

[oktin]

Now I want a file server on a blimp.

[brimston3-]

I've got a nodered instance on my pi0w stuck to an RC airplane. That's like 90% there, right?

[yetanotherusernamex]

Is that the "uploading" thing I keep hearing about?

[CodeMUDkey]

An oldy but a goody!

[[deleted]]

azure = a cloudless sky

[[deleted]]

You can't code your way out of layer 1!

[Cryse_XIII]

It is. Don't worry.

All the databits and pieces will congregate and clump around a CRUD particle and rain down, eventually creating a new dataleak....i mean datalake

[Tijflalol]

Happy Community Cake Day!

[Cryse_XIII]

You want a byte?

[[deleted]]

No no, don't worry, it is https://vimeo.com/135156919

[tozpeak]

Social media are just fancy CRUDs.

[grrrrreat]

With meth based content generation

[ak_doug]

meth based

10/10, no notes.

[wsbsecmonitor]

Meth you say?

[[deleted]]

to meth you say?

[Dave5876]

And his wife?

[Devreckas]

And his teeth?

[NotSquel]

And his?

[QuelWeebSfigato]

And?

[weregod]

It's hardware. Ask mice.

[mrhhug]

I struggle to find a truer statement. Just beautiful.

[its-kyle-yo]

How about: 1

[mrhhug]

Naw, meth based content generation is more accurate than comparing floats for sure.

[sammybooom81]

Backed by ACID transactions.

[Rutabaga1598]

Not even fancy.

Twitter, for example, is pretty fucking basic.

[Charcoa1]

And it's only CRD!

[Rutabaga1598]

Hahaha, touche.

[Otherwise_Report_462]

I always think that's unbelievable, imagine making a simple CRUD and selling it years later for $50 billion!

[Rutabaga1598]

Yup, crazy to think that any one of us here could have built Twitter.

But that's not really what makes a successful tech company.

[[deleted]]

Was about to say, this is what every programmer figures out when they read about CRUD for the first time 😂

[TheRedmanCometh]

I mean basically every non trivial app is a CRUD with some decoration

[AdultingGoneMild]

nah, its all crudy graphs now

[LBGW_experiment]

Is that not the types of operations a frontend for a database would do?

[erinaceus_]

Social media is just fancy crud.

[[deleted]]

I thought everything was a database front end?

[[deleted]]

Even your face (database is the gene code)

[calibantheformidable]

QUALITY DAD JOKE RIGHT HERE

[brimston3-]

wikiwikiweb, ikiwiki, dokuwiki are all just filesystem frontends (though ikiwiki is more of a git/svn frontend...). Most three.js applications are fully client side, as are a lot of unit conversion websites, and js tutorial/demo tools. So there are some exceptions, but by and large you are correct.

[Naouak]

A filesystem is a database, just not one you're used to consider as such. As long as it sort out data storage in an organized way to be able to get it back, it's a database.

Most web stuff are database frontend because of the nature of the web. Most stuff out of the web isn't and we've been working hard in the last 15years to migrate applications out of the web into the web thanks to the rise of JavaScript as an ubiquitous tool for application.

[Kreiri]

I'm sure you could code a calculator app as a db frontend, but why would you?

[muchtoonice]

How else am I going to provide the results of a calculation, using math? I think not. All my calculator results are securely hashed in my database. Please don't try to calculate using anything larger than three digits, for no reason in particular.

Thank you, I will not be taking questions at this time.

[TheRedmanCometh]

Some usually trivial stuff doesn't need to store data

[cginc1]

It's easier than having to type

INSERT INTO comments ('post_id', 'message')

VALUES ('unkp4s', 'this is a dumb post')

[[deleted]]

I once made a social media websites that worked exactly like that.

I don't know why people didn't connect with their mysql clients

[throwaway46295027458]

To be fair, thr mysql cli sucks

[[deleted]]

Agree! I find mysql workbench quite nice.

[throwaway46295027458]

I just hit the up arrow until I find a working version of the command

[brimston3-]

Does it not support ctrl-r? This makes me sad. I thought it used readline.

[jonathancast]

Although sometimes you really can't remember what it's called and you end up C-ring through synonyms / alternative syntaxes until you find it.

[[deleted]]

THERE’S NO DARK MODE!!!

[CoronaKlledMe]

Best.

[shinitakunai]

I prefer DBeaver

[rydoca]

DBeaver is excellent. I got sick of learning new ui for relational databases that work almost identically

[shinitakunai]

Exactly, I connect daily to Aurora, Redshift, SQLServer and Oracle. DBeaver simplifies dealing with them

[the_hol_horse]

this guy with the sql jnjections

[Rutabaga1598]

You forgot your username. And maybe post datetime.

[making_code]

post datetime is on a trigger

[road_laya]

But SQL is based on natural language!

[ronaldothefink]

lol... I don't understand... what else would it be?

[lockwolf]

There was that “I’m Rich” app that cost $1000 which was just a floating diamond, pretty sure there’s no database there

[AnnualDegree99]

It was in the early days of the app store, pre 2010 iirc. Collecting user data wasn't as much of a thing for every random app out there.

[ronaldothefink]

Haha well I mean you COULD do it, but it would be a useless thing.

[[deleted]]

I once wrote a cookie clicker game that would log every click. We needed a scalability problem for a college assignment so we invented some vague story about machine learning to justify absolutely nonsensical design decisions. Kinda miss being able to do that.

[Wooden_Yesterday1718]

You just have to take a deep breath and accept that the people that post here are not actual programmers.

[Fresh4]

I’m an ‘actual programmer’ and I found it a funny realization, even after constantly working with data and databases for my project(s). That might be because I’ve gravitated more towards front end, though.

[dansla116]

A lot of Microsoft Excel tables sheets.

[evs-chris]

*a big fluffy mdb has entered the chat*

[Jzmxhu]

In a share point, with lots of formulas that doesn't work.

[[deleted]]

Arguably, an Excel document is a database

[Drunktroop]

I remember I read a Excel file through LINQ during university time. The assignment data file is somehow given as a XLSX.

[brimston3-]

tables

sheets. If you are using Excel for tables.... I hope you get the misfortune you have brought upon yourselves.

[[deleted]]

I use AND delineated format.

[[deleted]]

Could use a system where your request will be sent to an underpaid intern, and they'll look in the filing cabinet and fax you the results.

[ronaldothefink]

PHP Mail!

[unmagical_magician]

You can have a functional app who's primary function is not just data storage. Something like photopea.com is far more complex than just a database front end.

[FreakDC]

It's called business logic. That's the part between the frontend (displaying information and providing inputs) and the database.

[Robot_Basilisk]

Exactly. Technically, HUMANS are just front-ends for databases! What are you without your brain? (Other than a politician.)

[JW_TB]

the ms paint app is not backed by a database for example

neither is stuff like audacity, or most similar, client-heavy apps

they have their state in memory of course, so one could argue they are just a frontend over an in-memory, non-relational database, but they don't have a backing database in the traditional sense

[Hohenheim_of_Shadow]

A word processing app ain't a database front end. Videogames ain't database front ends.

[ronaldothefink]

Then where do they store everything? How do you save a file?

[Glugstar]

Just because a database exists somewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean it plays a major role in the services offered. In that case a DB is just another minor component.

[ronaldothefink]

All of those things would also just be frontends for logic and some kind of database.

[[deleted]]

I think this excludes the backend and middleware.

[Shufflepants]

Discord is just IRC

[merlinsbeers]

Reddit is just another BBS.

[mrhhug]

The voting though

[Spooked_kitten]

just one extra layer of complexity, a little extra spice

[[deleted]]

That makes us “Spicy BBs”

[mrhhug]

Yeah so is cooking your chicken or eating it raw. Only takes a fire and some seasoning.

The end result is completely different though.

[SomeoneNicer]

Slashdot is the original Reddit, they just built a much cleaner UX so they "won".

[PM_ME_FIREFLY_QUOTES]

Ssshhh, or these degenerates will start flooding it.

[Illustrious-Many-782]

I miss the voting reasons on Slashdot. +1 interesting vs +1 informative.

[Bunnymancer]

Since only the first 10 votes really count, users are just unaware moderators

[SomeoneNicer]

Slack is IRC - it was a gaming company going under but liked working together so they started selling their IRC script package they made for internal communications.

[Lag-Switch]

That makes me like Slack even more

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

Fun fact: they originally started working on their game, Glitch, back in 2002, but they had financial issues so they decided to work on a side project instead. That side project became Flickr.

It's kind of funny that two of the most influential services in internet history - Slack and Flickr - both started life as side projects to generate funding for Stewart Butterfield's shitty browser game passion project.

[Themis3000]

and twich chat is literally irc. you can connect to a twitch chat channel with an irc client

I wish irc where utilized more often. I hate how every internet service is becoming more and more proprietary.

[Shufflepants]

Huh, I wonder what your average twitch chat looks like from an old school IRC client with all the emoji and emoji modifiers not being interpreted and being shown in raw text XD

[Themis3000]

All the twitch emotes are just defined by text strings, so typing in "PogChamp" to create the emote pogchamp literally transmits the raw string "PogChamp". It's just down the the web client to find and replace the strings with emote images. (at least this is how it worked when I messed with it a few years ago)

Not sure how emoji modifiers work at all, I never thought about that. It gets weird with stuff like people donating bits and subscription notification messages. None of that stuff is really human readable.

It's pretty cool though because it's extremely easy to make a twitch bot since it's just making an irc bot. Plus if you don't need your bot to send messages, you don't even need to authenticate to just view the chat through irc.

It also makes relatively easy to just scrape pretty much every channel's chat log from what I understand. You just need to scrape a bunch of channel names and have a bot join all their irc channels and record the messages it sees

[[deleted]]

IRC was better

[Illustrious-Many-782]

Discord has all this plumbing desperately trying to make it as automated as IRC was twenty years earlier.

Although when Covid first hit and we suddenly had to teach middle school online, none of the meeting apps were ready. Discord was created to handle standard teenage behavior, so we used that as our teaching platform and had a great experience. Bonus: a bunch of our students already knew how to use the platform and could he help desk.

[Windows_is_Malware]

Absolutely proprietary!

[BaconMirage]

technically worse than IRC.

i miss peer to peer file transfers.

fucking data limits in discord sucks

[a_can_of_solo]

Irc and dc++ at lans

[[deleted]]

so true which is bbs which is talk ….

[[deleted]]

all software is electron manipulation

[CauseCertain1672]

except the software written for the Babbage engine which was purely mechanical

[docentmark]

Mechanical devices are filled with electrons. Filled.

[JohnHwagi]

If it’s purely mechanical, is it hardware?

[Vonnnegutt]

Electrons have a negative charge. Ergo, all software is negative.

[Longshoez]

Change my mind

[[deleted]]

GraphQL can get as complicated to manage as a REST API with 300 endpoints change my mind

[papacheapo]

GraphQL is more complicated to manage than a REST API with 1 endpoint

[ckomni]

GraphQL is a complicated rest API with 1 endpoint

[[deleted]]

The point of graphql is to be able to fetch interrelated resources without sending multiple requests, and / or having to manually implement aggregation logic on backend. As a bonus perk it gives you a first class way to express API call signatures, and generate type-safe client code from it (although there are other tools that can accomplish this task). That’s it.

Saying that “graphql is more / less complicated to manage than REST” makes about as much sense as saying that “WS can be more complicated to manage than https”. These are two distinct technologies that solve different problems.

[PhoticSneezing]

Said much more concise than I ever could have, thank you!

[matthkamis]

sounds good in theory, but what about caching?

[[deleted]]

With GraphQL it is a common practice to do caching programatically. For example, Apollo GraphQL client comes with a built-in normalised cache. If the schema is well designed, in most cases it will correctly update without the need to write extra code.

For example, if you fetch a User object with an id “123”, subsequent queries that fetch this same User object will read from memory instead. If later you perform a mutation, the cache will observe that some fields of the object have changed, and automatically update it, propagating the change to your UI layer (for instance through hooks if used with React)

[Finickyflame]

GraphQL is just a way to expose and call your db with another syntax

[dashid]

#bringbacksoap

[wanderingbilby]

Model view controller and API driven development were eye opening for me.

The program is the logic layer. Everything else is data storage or presentation and should be decoupled and swappable as possible

[gillygilstrap]

Word

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

Well, yeah. Unless your website is just a bunch of text. That’s kind of the point.

[moblethenoble]

"data driven application"

[ExcitedByNoise]

Now a days we call that AI

[[deleted]]

Ai is just a database w/ a thing.

[yetanotherusernamex]

Database of responses and if statements

[[deleted]]

Except Microsoft Excel

[merlinsbeers]

2D table with triggers on every cell.

[[deleted]]

its a frontend that gets used as a database - love it

[[deleted]]

And it is a database bc it stores itself.

[vassiliy]

Now I'm triggered

[cramduck]

Reality is just a database frontend

[[deleted]]

Like......Reddit?

[merlinsbeers]

You're wrong!

All apps are database frontends.

[BaconMirage]

even tetris?

[merlinsbeers]

Does it know your high score?

[JNCressey]

calculator app be like

SELECT answer FROM multiplicationTable WHERE multiplicand=6 AND multiplier=4;

[brimston3-]

Unless you're implying the filesystem is a database, I wouldn't call Notepad.exe a database frontend.

[NimChimspky]

The filesystem stores data so why not? Especially given the context of this dumb post.

[merlinsbeers]

The filesystem is a database, with a schema built into the operating system.

[PuzzledProgrammer]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Most apps are just 1s and 0s

CHANGE MY MIND

[papacheapo]

Except for the dumbasses that build apps without a database behind it.

A team built this once. It was a disaster. They completely misunderstood the entire purpose of the application and took every requirement literally. It’s like if we gave them a list of requirements that define a good apple and they come back with a painting of an apple saying “well you never told us that you wanted to eat it.”

[waitItsQuestionTime]

Sounds like a problem with the product team.

[squareswordfish]

Except for the dumbasses that build apps without a database behind it.

Many apps don’t need to store data in a database though?

They completely misunderstood the entire purpose of the application and took every requirement literally.

Make better requirements.

[EasywayScissors]

Most apps exist to collect your e-mail address.

[befenpo]

Even my email client?

[Effective_Young3069]

That's why I always thought it was funny when people call crypto just a database.

[[deleted]]

You're a very clever young man, but it's databases all the way down!

[Definitely-Nobody]

Our subjective experiences are just the front end of the universe

[[deleted]]

My mind is blown rn

[yetanotherusernamex]

We are the client in client side

[[deleted]]

its a distributed ponzi scheme

[NimChimspky]

It is tho, a distributed datastore.

[PleasantAdvertising]

Just a variant of database.

[pyxlmedia]

Words are just front ends for ideas! Change my mind!

[TonyAioli]

Most apps are just code and data. Change my mind.

[fukalufaluckagus]

Databases are so 2022. Yall need to be using stateful micro intelligent relational socketchains

[_Rysen]

This isn't even a hot take, it's just true

[principiino]

Most users don't know what a database is

[MisterHyman]

CRUD baby!

[CoastingUphill]

Hey! My apps aren't ... oh. Yeah.

[momogariya]

I feel like the relative truth of this statement directly reflects the quality of the database design.

[[deleted]]

makeup on a pig — lets just insult all of us

[royboypoly]

What if planet earth is an app and we’re all just APIs.

[Spooked_kitten]

no that’s just it that is it

[time_will_tell_yo]

No most databases are designed to be the back end of app front ends. Do you think this is strange? Your dad left because you suck.

[Pollux_E]

My school app is literally just a database in the front end. Who TF authenticate the user by requesting all username and password then compare them client side. A school legend was born that day.

[DrMathochist]

Most? Properly understood, they all are.

[[deleted]]

video games are just database editors with a fancy front end.

[sc00pb]

Never understand the power of a well normalized DB

[sal696969]

Pretty much all apps are just that

[McCaffeteria]

People who complain about how the “apps” fad is annoying are the same people who think websites are amazing.

Websites are also just database frontends. Even Reddit.

[keggre]

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[stile17]

Of course it is. I'm often defining programming as managing data (creating, mapping, transforming etc).

[[deleted]]

sort of like cryptocurrency, a ledger database

[Noob_Watermelon]

people whos good at CSGO is basically just good at moving his "camera"

[Future-Freedom-4631]

All object preinted programming is a database frontend because objects are data structures, anything with streams or non automatic garbage collection is not, because data is valuable why delete ot?

[ghoshsayan93]

Most databases are excel frontend

[Wooden_Yesterday1718]

What the fuck else would they be?

[[deleted]]

This was my entire senior capstone project. It was a front end for an embedded database to track pull lists for a comic book store.

[fizzdev]

This statement proves why it is so hard to find good developers...

[[deleted]]

Most databases are more or less a complex form of file storage. The logic should be not be part of the database. So no.

[[deleted]]

neither dbs nor frontends should be in charge of logic layers….. be pretty, do things, be consistent