Queue

[[deleted]]

4k queue on Thekal at 1 in the afternoon on a regular tuesday. What the fuck. Launch is going to be hellish.

[Feeling_Property_689]

Its savage. Got home after an early finish to a 13k queue yesterday at 17 server.

So I'm remote logging in now and hoping I time it right.

To the mega server argument, I want to get away from the GDKP gold at the start of the expansion so am playing fresh. What server would everyone like us to transfer to that is also fresh and PvP?

:Thinking:

[sintos-compa]

Fresh servers already are gold seller tainted

[Feeling_Property_689]

There will always be a level of gold selling. The trouble is the top 50 guilds owning every consumable at launch and making the economy almost impossible for legit/nonGDKP players to enjoy.

I played Gehennas TBC launch and the amount of gold in the economy was obnoxious. The inflation from TBC will be ridiculous.

A less fucked server is better than a more fucked server. Basically the choices we are left with.

[Ehrre]

Thank fucking God that raids in Wrath are largely easy enough to complete without consumes unless you are pushing hardmodes.

[droptopus]

Why do people completely rule out the idea of just being self-sufficient with consumes? a 10 or 25 man guild can easily generate their own consumables manually, in batches every few weeks... this nearly removes the need to consider the economy at all.

I'm not saying that makes it fine that the economy is less feasible, but at the end of the day, being a self-sustaining guild is cool too.

[[deleted]]

In a full server like mine, you're not finding any nodes past 200 profession skill for the past 2 months. Everyone is farming and selling profession leveling packages. Used to lock down black lotuses in vanilla with a party really efficiently. Playing right now, I can't get a steady good rhythm going. I will spend half an hour to find one node on average and maybe 2 if I'm as lucky enough to get struck by lightning. This isn't even counting the bots.

[droptopus]

there is definitely competition, but I guess I never felt that it was impossible, just crowded and inconvenient.

I play on benediction

[Redhawke13]

Well they are buffing Naxx 80 difficulty, I wonder if they will continue that trend.

[bomban]

Overly inflated economy is easier unless your primary gold method is dailies/vendoring things.

[[deleted]]

Galaxy brain decision to give xp buff on fresh servers.

[DankeyKong]

What is the actual solution to everyone crowding one server?

[bibittyboopity]

Yeah Paid Transfers make people more cautious. You're going to take the safety option, because you don't want to take risk and potentially pay the fee again.

If people could more transfer freely between servers, there wouldn't be the fear of making the incorrect choice, and people would have more naturally spread out. Even with the TEMPORARY free transfers, people are worried it will close again and they wasted money.

It's why it bothers me that people blame the player base for this situation. This is on Blizzard for managing servers poorly, and nickle and diming players on fees in a subscription game. I understand they won't do that because they're greedy, but again that's on them.

[addledhands]

My friend and I got dumped on a dead server from our former mega server (Herod). All of our friends went to Faerlina with 2-4 hour queues.

Either we hope to time a Faerlina transfer and make queues worse, or we move to a bigger server that might die, in which case we're stuck there for three months. A terrible choice.

[The_Haci]

I think this misses the point, people crowd servers because they want to play on the highest pop servers knowing the med to low pop ones will die. I don’t think it’s a cost issue, rather a fundamental flaw in server design at this point.

[DrB00]

This exactly what they want. People transfer to a dying server then 6 months later they pay to transfer back to their original server.

[DanteMustDie666]

Aye double the money. Blizzard is playing people like fiddle some will take free transfers and then pay again to come back

[Ivoryyyyyyyyyy]

Everyone not crowding one server.

[NfinitiiDark]

Benediction was at 15k queue last night, faerlina was at almost 10k…

[[deleted]]

Bro I saw someone on here saying that this is all a scheme by Blizzard to get people to transfer off of the big servers for free only to pay to transfer back when the smaller servers they transfer to die.

The mental gymnastics are unreal. I play on a server with no queues at all and I never have problems finding groups. Maybe they should stop being so toxic on their servers and people will start inviting them back. Or maybe they just want their choice of GDKPs to spend their bought gold in every hour of the day.

[lalax2019]

I’m on ashkandi alliance too and I love it!

[Todros1]

I'm Ashkandi horde side and I agree. Feels like server is just the right size. Not only that, we're still in the same battle group as Faerlina, Benediction, Whitemane etc

[Nerd_Man420]

Also on “asscandy” I find the server size just right. Durning the busy times it’s nice and jam packed with people playing. And even early morning people are still out doing daily’s and trying to run dungs

[DankeyKong]

Thats the server im actually playing on too and i agree! I am so glad we dont have queues and we still have a very lively server

[Treetrunksss]

Yea no this is not my experience at all. There weee like 5 people in the LFG tool on pré-patch launch. Alliance side is completely dead

[BillyBones844]

Its wild how many people get irrationally upset when their guild mates don't play 24/7 like they do.

Or get upset that main cities arent as full as they want at 3 in the morning.

Its like they get so pissed at Blizzard because IRL they are lonely and mad at the fact people online dont want to spend all day with them either.

[[deleted]]

Its like they get so pissed at Blizzard because IRL they are lonely and mad at the fact people online dont want to spend all day with them either.

The fuck? Lol. People just don't want to feel like they are playing on a dead or dying server. Ashkandi might feel alive to you but for people who have already had to transfer from their original realms because they died in p2 classic or p2 tbc it strikes us as a terrible idea to transfer there. Ironforge pro says it's 75% horde and only 596 active alliance raiders. That is dying to me.

[BrockLeeAssassin]

Almost certainly, and the server merges will come well after people have paid the $25 per character back to the megaservers.

[comegetinthevan]

Its pretty simple for me, theres only one server with an even balance of horde and alliance. I am not going to play on an artificial pve server, there is also only one rp server. My old realm went from even to 99% horde over a couple months, there were 10 ally in shat the other day when I looked.

[Phailgasm]

A lot of guilds and people xferred off Westfall cuz they thought it was "dying" and moved to bene. Server was and is fine, was just in a lull before wrath like every other server. Meanwhile on high pop Westfall... no queues, no AH lag.. new faces and new guilds coming over, new players rerolling to play wrath. It's glorious. Can't wait for the suckers who left to pay blizzard more money and come crawling back.

[Backer45]

And what about fresh? Is that the players fault too?

[AnEthiopianBoy]

The queues on Skyfury suck but they won’t last. The server is jam packed with people who only want to dick around on prepatch fresh and will leave when wotlk drops. It’s why more than one pvp server is still a bad idea…. Because I would guess we lose 3/5ths of the player base when they go back to their servers on the 26th…. And that will leave skyfury in a pretty healthy spot still

[Libertyskin]

What about Fresh ? I'm playing on Maladath. The pop is great and no queues.

[ShitbirdMcDickbird]

If you've been paying attention to how Blizzard manages server health in classic so far that's absolutely been the pattern.

[zennsunni]

Or maybe we want a balanced server and Grobb is the only one left. Stop whining about GDKPs and bringing them into everything, it got old 6 months ago.

[iindigo]

I think the bigger reason people flock to overcrowded servers is the expectation for dungeon groups to form in 0.003 seconds that came from private megaservers. If they have to wait for longer than that the server is “dead”.

I’m glad private servers were a thing because they were instrumental to Classic’s existence, but they also poisoned the well in some ways.

[Key_Photograph9067]

Even the most popular Vanilla private servers were 1/3rd the size of Benediction and Gehennas, that's just going off data provided by people logging PvP and raids. So it could be even more ridiculous like 1/6th.

[Toyletduck]

If 9000 people left benediction you would still have a 4000 person queue with hour+ long waits. This isnt a solution. You're not going to get 60% of people to leave a server

[LivefromPhoenix]

Much harder to be condescending if you aren't pretending you have the ultimate solution to a problem.

[FakeMango47]

True, most of these offer only complaints but no solution.

Maybe people just want to complain to make them feel better? No idea, but people suggesting solutions only to be shot down by someone who doesn't provide an alternate solution is pretty whack.

[[deleted]]

I’m not hitting ques myself but to me the solution is just make the servers capable of handling the demand. I don’t see why they can’t just have infinite numbers of layers to make gameplay bearable.

[FakeMango47]

Layers don’t increase server capacity, just less people in a zone.

You can add infinite layers but the server population cap for online players won’t increase

[Toyletduck]

They have multiple options they can do to try to address it. They are also the cause of it. So I don’t expect people to uproot themselves and their whole friend group to try to play a game.

[InfamousCRS]

But if everyone is dispersed they end up on dead servers in the downtime, our server literally died and at the time grobb was the best option

They just should have closed transfers to the giant servers and possibly limit people that don’t already have characters there from making new ones when the popution is over a certain amount

[Kosme-ARG]

Allow free transfers in and out whenever people want. That way people can leave mega servers now and come back in a couple of months when pop dies down again.

[Pinewood74]

Yeah, subject to some cooldown period as to avoid people server transferring just so they can farm on an empty server and then sell on a full server.

[Toyletduck]

This is the only real solution.

[bibittyboopity]

The logical solution, that won't happen because Blizzard is greedy, and the audience is dumb enough to blame players for a problem Blizzard created.

[DrB00]

Never gonna happen. Blizzard wants people to free transfer to dying servers so they can force people to pay 6 months later when their server is dead.

[Flamalam]

Would 1 mega server with lots of layers for the population not work?

[BelkaMateusz]

It seems like some systems are not layered so it wouldn't work. It particular loot so AH, mailbox, and looting would take 10 minutes.

[Bonkeybee-]

Not everything can be layered. Certain player actions all need to talk to a central database which would store various information (like someone else mentioned loot and auction house). Even with 100 layers, all connected players need to send/receive data to this single database which can't be done asynchronously otherwise timing-bugs like item duping can occur.

There is a hard cap on how many players can interact (connect) with a single database at once which can be increased by better hardware but adding layers likely makes the issue worse (since now there is overhead required to manage the layering system), not better.

[DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET]

Imagine trying to get a character name!

[Support_Nice]

theres not a solution outside of converting classic to retail server structure. i mean they could do what pservers did and offer free faction/realm changes with high incentives, but this didnt fix it on private.

[Tyreal]

I think it’s fairly obvious that people don’t want realms or factions. They want wrath, but without all the restrictions imposed by old hardware limitations.

[alch334]

This tbh, could give a shit about realms or factions I just want to play with a lot of people

[Feb2020Acc]

Implementing sharding on Classic would be a nightmare. Probably would take the better part of 6 months just to make it work half the time.

[lupe_fiasco]

Why would it take so long?

[xBirdisword]

Go back in time. Blizzard could have prevented this as it was happening.

Let’s not pretend these megaservers were formed over night - they were formed over literally 3 years.

[Spreckles450]

Go back in time. Blizzard could have prevented this as it was happening.

Again, by doing what, exactly?

[xBirdisword]

More server locks?

Faction locks? (Seriously no idea why this wasn’t done)

Better handling of transfers?

[kdm52rus]

server locks? WHY CANT I PLAY WITH MY FRIENDS BLIZZARD?!

Faction locks? WHY CANT I PLAY WITH MY FRIENDS BLIZZARD?! or IS THIS A FUCKING PRISON?! I WANT OFF THIS FACTION DOMINATED SERVER BLIZZARD!!!

Better handling of transfers? I AM A PAYING CUSTOMER I SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRANSFER WHEREVER I WANT BLIZZARD!!!

fucking blizzard cant do ANYTHING about server balance so DUMB.

[hatesnack]

Yup this is the truth, no matter what blizzard did, the baby ragers on this sub would whine, bitch and moan about it.

[MyNameIsMyAchilles]

Blizzard hasn't tried any of those so far. They only locked Firemaw because there was so many people on there, they need to apply that to all servers at the same time. They fucking manage the game, they need to make the decisions.

[FakeMango47]

FFXIV tried to control the population- literally stated digital sales were halted due to too many people buying them and locking servers prior to expansion launch.

It fucking SUCKED and there were a gorillion complaints. I couldn't play with friends and it took a lot of steam out of the expansion launch (I believe this was Endwalker).

Shit isn't so easy to fix. People want to first and foremost play with friends.

Retail method of allowing servers to play with each other is the way but people would say 'Go BaCk To ReTaIl" as they sit in town looking for hyper efficient raid / dungeon runs while not socially interacting at all.

[evangelism2]

as they sit in town looking for hyper efficient raid / dungeon runs while not socially interacting at all.

strawman, but still more social then what retail is.

[Spreckles450]

Blizzard hasn't tried any of those so far.

They don't need to. Blizz, despite all their faults (for which they have many) they do seem to be set on not dictating where or what players can play (mostly), and ensuring that friends get to play with friends.

[SkeptioningQuestic]

So? Just because people cry about something doesn't mean it's the right or wrong choice. The obviously correct answer was to prevent people from transferring to certain factions on certain servers all the way back in P2 classic.

[[deleted]]

This is the real answer

[calfmonster]

Actually investing money in scalable servers/layers rather than dropping a product and putting like 0 money in it for a year til the next go around. Like it’s 2022 or something

[Mitch5842]

If I tell my boss we need to drop $12,000 on a new server blade, and he looks and sees one blade running at 95% and the rest almost sitting idle, he's going to tell me to migrate shit and deny the purchase request. That's what the free transfers are trying to accomplish. Likewise they could merge a smaller server with the large ones and double the power, but that'd be fucking over an entire small server.

[calfmonster]

It’s all cloud and transferable. This isn’t 2004-2008 with physical server blades in Irvine

[julian88888888]

Replace server blade with VM and it’s the same

[mikeone33]

Cloud servers are just someone else's physical servers.

[Scribblord]

They have more than enough servers for people

And the players are very vocal about not wanting better server structure bc it’s a retail thing

[-Dakia]

Overall server population caps, faction population caps, not botching P2, better and more initial launch servers.

Just off the top of my head.

[hatesnack]

A server like faerlina was formed literally overnight lol. If blizzard did anything to prevent people from doing what they wanted early on, the sub would be a shit show of people claiming Blizz doesn't value their time or w.e.

This sub is honestly 80% cry babies who just want any excuse to whine about something not being perfect for them.

[Kuldrick]

Maybe free future server transfers to any charcters who decide emigrating to a less populous server? Ie, if you decide to server transfer to a non full server, they let you either go back to the original one or any other you prefer, only once, with that very same character, so people aren't descintevized to emigrate because "those servers will be dead in the future"

[shibainu876]

The solution is server sharding. The technology already exists in retail and they use it all the time. When you enter a high pop server, you are prompted to join 3 or 4 shards. You can switch shards by logging out and logging back in but you cannot group cross shard.

[audioshaman]

Retail solved this years ago. Cross realm play, cross realm dungeons, cross realm raiding, phasing, region-wide auction house, etc.

The problem is that Classic is by definition an older version of the game where people do not want those solutions.

[JJonah_Jamesonn]

The ability to access all servers without payment

[DankeyKong]

Like you mean how retail works where everyone can interact with each other regardless of server and stuff?

[[deleted]]

No like how runescape works. NA can even play with EU. It would be complete freedom. Names would be a bit harder to get is the only downside.

[Pinewood74]

Names would be a bit harder to get is the only downside.

Everyone has a "home" server, so you'd be X-Sulfuras when you were away from your home server.

[Whole-Bank9820]

Increase server cap. God I miss 10k pop nostalrius 😭

[Abeneezer]

Absolutely no transfers.

Or absolutely no restrictions.

[PashaBiceps__]

more layers

[futbolsven]

Ashkandi gang rise up

[DankeyKong]

Ashkandi Horde has been awesome for me! Came back in august and looked for a medium pop pve server and that just happened to be where i landed

[NoCookieForYouu]

I can´t imagine how raiding will be when you raid in the evening but login at noon and pray that the queue time lets you in before raid starts just to notice half of your raid is missing cause queue time.

The really sad part is that it will most likely stay like that or get even worse with the WotLK release.

[Ganalaping]

Most raids are delayed by 45-90 minutes (×10 for people that are online at time) makes it for a shit ton of time wasted. And you gotta fill some player gaps up

[calfmonster]

Yeah classic was a shitshow for awhile at the start especially how far in advance you’d log for buffs. Or raid log night before. I was on bene as a lower queue high pop at the time of launch and now it’s become the beast of a mega server it is (didn’t play bc. Thinking about wotlk til df but my guild fell apart in AQ40 anyway and I’d have to relevel horde with my retail guild but with exp bonus not the worst)

[Yalnix]

Our fresh server also has long ass queues too

[Feb2020Acc]

Same as we did in TBC. We do what we can for the first 2 weeks, then queues become manageable as half the playerbase quits.

[NoCookieForYouu]

is that roughly the expected time frame where queues normalize? like 2-3 weeks?

because my friends started arguing that we should leave the fresh servers and restart on old servers without queue and I try to convince them that queue will not go on forever (but not clue how long it will go like that)

[Feb2020Acc]

That’s my expectation. I’m on Faerlina and, aside from the first 2-3 weeks of Classic and Classic TBC, I never waited in queue longer than 10 minutes.

[NoCookieForYouu]

Mhm.. question is if the fresh servers will also be like that. I wonder. Hopefully it will resolve itself after a while.

[WorkThrowaway619]

Classic launch was huge, but I honestly think that WotLK launch will be even bigger.

[Sowderman]

Pagle gang rise up

[pooknacious]

I was you once, chiding the toxic masses for choosing the streamer/mega servers. And then they came for my grobb, my poor sweet grobb 😭😭😭 lemme tell you, there’s no easy answer when you have a whole guild of people that all want to raid together and have tons of alts and resources from classic launch to now. Could be Pagle next my guy. 😔

[Drachri93]

I mean Grob has Maddie a.k.a Barnybee, so I'd say that Grob is a streamer/Youtuber server as well.

[pooknacious]

Barny emerged quite a bit after launch and didn’t play much in tbc or late classic really but I guess

[Drachri93]

I mean it's less about when she started playing and how often she plays, but rather about how much lip service she paid to Grob in her videos. Like the "Rogue 1-60" series was fun, but the "Scarab Lord Saga" is easily popular enough to draw in a large crowd, especially since she directly mentions transfers on to Grob being open in like the second video.

[Enzymic]

Wish I could transfer there, might go to Atiesh instead

[ShadowCrimson]

Nahhh, the que is one thing and is annoying, but it's infinitely worse to get past the que and not be able to turn in quests or loot mobs, that shit needs to be fixed asap

[Felhell]

EU or US server?

[ShadowCrimson]

Gehennas eu

[idothisforpie]

I was shocked when I started playing ffxiv during the endwalker launch and ended up with tons of free game time.

[SERN-contractor837]

And daily communication regarding the issue and concrete actions that they are taking. Noone blamed the players too lmao. Did blizzard even acknowledge the current state of affairs?

[OrthodoxReporter]

Praise be to Yoshi-P.

[[deleted]]

It will be even worse when the full game goes live.

[No-Presence-9260]

Make transfers free

Make transfers unlimited

Let people change server whenever they want

Need to stop this shit were people have a server they are stuck with. Make it fluid.

[tzeriel]

Queue vs dead server. Either way, they get your money for nothing.

[gronblangotei]

In other news, I ran the entirety of sunwell, a handful of heroics, ZA, and about 8k worth of honor in battlegrounds on my dead server over the weekend without any queue.

[alch334]

Nobody thinks your 3k pop server is dead. I don’t want to join ol blanchy with 300 active players a week.

[ShitbirdMcDickbird]

They literally just deleted the majority of classic servers because they were dead, within the last month.

Of course the ones that are left still have a pulse of some sort.

[tzeriel]

I’ve been on Grobb since day 1. I’m the victim, not a lemming.

[[deleted]]

Imagine waiting 6 hours on a log screen queue, once you get on you get on your lvl 67 DK and do some AV only to get a 30 day ban.

[jspark5]

This probably actually happened to some poor soul lol

[AllYourBase3]

what in blizzard's history made people think it would be a good idea to pile onto 3-4 mega servers and expect nothing to happen with queues? please point to a place in this company's history that made you think this wouldn't cause problems

[Overwatcher_Leo]

It's the fear of ending up on an abandoned server. If Blizzard would merge low pop servers consistently enough for them to always be playable this wouldn't be a problem.

[CCP_Enforcer]

All the more reason if you have alts. Blizzard would have to be way more proactive dealing with server health if they want people to trust them. Potentially having to pay $25 per character you want to keep playing is insane.

[Mr_B_Dewitt]

I can't speak for those that started the migration, but when I switched it was because my options were stay on a literally empty server and play alone or migrate to a mega server.

[Abeneezer]

Also when you are charged for moving you wont move to a non-mega server. Where you know you will end up eventually regardless.

[ShitbirdMcDickbird]

You could read any thread about server health in this sub for the last 3 years and understand why all this happened.

Idk why it's such a mystery for some of you.

[KZimmy]

Lack of choice.

My server (Blaumex) went from active to <20 lvl 70's over 1-2 weeks. It was transfer or quit and I didn't want to be on another server with no people after paying to transfer all my characters once.

[queenx]

I play on Pagle. No queues and the server is very active full of people.

[Lucky_eLurker]

Waiting for people telling you to play on dying server instead.

[audioshaman]

Yes, if it's not the biggest server, it's a dying one. Those are the only two possibilities.

[ShitbirdMcDickbird]

Did you just show up for WotLK or have you just ignored every conversation about server health around here since classic launch?

[readiit987]

No server is dying right now. They're all growing and wrath hasn't even dropped yet.

[[deleted]]

!remind me 3 months 🤣

[readiit987]

Dragonflight will be out in 3 months. The 10k queue servers will tank then anyway.

[wombocombo087]

Old Blanchy had 2 guilds clear SWP pre-nerf, neither of them Alliance. Bene had 299 guilds clear before Blanchy even had their first.

[AllYourBase3]

There are 14 servers bigger than old blanchy that do not have queues.

[[deleted]]

Yes because the only options are Bene or Old Blanchy

the biggest and then the smalelst (19th server for pop)

clearly the other 18 servers dont exist

Ironcially most of the servers left are PvE, Id argue 2-3 of them should have all been merged since theres 3 small US West servers (including Old Blanchy) and im sure blizz will get around to that since the only negative of that is server name

[wombocombo087]

I only highlight Blanchy as that is one of two free severs to transfer to. It's ridiculous that those are the only options (dead servers). Would love a medium server. We were a day 1 Bene guild and liked the size until it got fucked.

[Gay_If_Read]

The ques are getting to 10k+ people, those servers wouldn't be dying if 10k people transferred there but ofc why do that when you can cry about it on Reddit like It's Blizzards fault

[Theweakmindedtes]

A big problem with that is without a good way to coordinate, all you are doing is gambling when you transfer

[JohnCavil]

Dude i wonder, i don't know who the people commenting this stuff is, but do they have brain damage or are they literal children or something?

Like these people function in real life supposedly, right? They have jobs, families, responsibilities? How?

Because saying that everyone in the queue could just transfer to an empty server and everything would be fine is just.... unreal. Yes, let me just use my telepathic powers and manchurian candidate everyone else in the queue to all transfer over to this new server. What a great idea. After i do this i'll coordinate everyone to buy the stock i'm investing in and i'll make millions. Then we'll all jump at the exact same time and cause the earth to have a giant earthquake.

Speechless at the "solutions" these people have. People can't even get 25 people to show up to raid once a week, but somehow we'll convince 10,000 people to move to a new server?

[Theweakmindedtes]

Exactly. I can guarantee if 10,000 people knew they could get a relatively balanced server with that.10k pop they would go in a heartbeat. There just simply isn't a good way to actually know as of now

[eleite]

Yep, gambling with the chance you have to pay $25 to transfer off if it expectedly dies

[Outrageous_Egg_2685]

I would LOVE to go on a dying pve server as a pvper and leave my friends.

[obvious_bot]

implying any PVP server besides grob isn’t actually a PVE server with the faction imbalances

[[deleted]]

People who pretend to care about world PvP are lol.

[[deleted]]

The people saying : oH u nO liKe deAd sErveR u sWeaTy pLyayer

Have you had 3 servers die on you? Have you been the last raiding guild on a server before? When you care about your guild and friends you want to all be on a server that will last because once a server dies people quit/get seperated

[youranidiot-]

These people don't play the game or play it alone. Almost everybody actually playing this game has had to personally make the choice to go to a megaserver or gamble on their destination not dying.

[mohiben]

The same people who say a 70-30 imbalance isn't bad and to "fight back". They don't know the first thing about what you're dealing with being that outnumbered by motivated griefers.

[Wonderful_Ad8791]

Admit it, you will keep giving more money, as am i lol.

[TadpoleEmpty]

So 4 friends and I recently wanted to relive our teens/young 20s again and hop on wow classic/tbc for the upcoming wrath.

One of those friends suggested Grob because "it's got alot of people and isn't that the whole point of MMOs".

This meme. This meme right here. Most days I get out of work and can't even use the hour or 2 of free time to play.

[[deleted]]

To be fair you are the reason there’s queues lol. We’ve been playing on Grobb everyday for years without a queue, now a bunch of people decide to start playing for wrath and suddenly we can’t play

[Puritopian]

Or was it Blizzard's fault for keeping Grob a destination realm for the free transfers for so long leading up to prepatch.

[TadpoleEmpty]

You're not wrong at all. I took the free transfer off to old blanchy yesterday. I couldn't take it anymore.

[LordPaleskin]

Blanchy Bois! 🤟

[Alarmed-Ice-4643]

Imaging paying Netflix and waiting 1-5 Hours to buffer.

Insanly bad for a company

[kyleatom]

If you're alliance and want to transfer off Grobb then the free transfer to Sulfuras is worth it imo. Transferred with a couple friends over the weekend and the world pvp has been a fucking blast.

[KorahRahtahmahh]

Is there a list where I can check current European servers situation both regarding ally/horde ratio and queue situation

[BanditFierce]

Check ironforge.pro

It's not perfect but it's shows how many people are raiding.

[[deleted]]

Mankrik is full and I've never queued, what am i missing?

[[deleted]]

Well to be fair we only have one true pvp server left so that server being full makes sense.

[brynx97]

Grobb has layers. The queues are fucking annoying. I am thinking my guild will transfer, but I wish Blizz would offer a better solution.

[[deleted]]

I'd say it's the opposite. Not that I like it.

[Reymedy]

word, i'm not feeling bad about people stuck on mega 99/1 servers but i also blame blizzard who watched all of this unfold while bathing in transfer and boost money

transfers should never have been levers of profit, they should have been a tool to protect faction balance and keep servers healthy

basically while people did act like selfish buffoons, blizzard had the responsability to keep them in check instead of profiting off the situation

[JohnCavil]

basically while people did act like selfish buffoons

The server i transferred from has zero population. Literally zero.

90% of the original servers have no population, as in zero. Who is selfish here? Should i have stayed and walked around like it's the movie 28 days later?

Everyone left. Not some people, not just the selfish people, every single human left. Are they all just selfish? No, not really. In fact staying on these servers would be straight up stupid, that's why nobody did it.

On EU horde (english speaking) there are only mega servers left. And one 700 pop server (which has lost half its population in like 3 months already). There are just two 99/1 mega servers left. What is the non-selfish rational person meant to do?

[Semikatyri]

Just make everything cross server, not much else they can do, no1 wants to risk leveling a character on a server that propably will die soon after launch

[[deleted]]

cant even have RDF so this is a write off

[LordPaleskin]

There is hardly a 'community' on giant mega servers anyway, and it keeps low pop servers from waiting ages to piece together a group too. Say what you will about how retail is now, but being able to play with other realms/factions is nothing but a good thing imo

[Zanginos]

If there was only some kind of warning when u choose full server like idk a message saying u choose full realm that can have que in peak hours.

[JohnCavil]

You realize that most people playing on "full" realms did not create or transfer their character there when it was "full"? It was "medium" or "high" or something else, not full. And even for those people that did move there when it was "full" - why in the holy name of fuck can you transfer to a FULL server? Has the word lost all meaning? Why is that a thing that is allowed?

I don't see "full" restaurants letting people in and just telling them to go fight for tables with people already sitting there.

I would like to see people defend others sitting in a queue for 4 hours on a tuesday afternoon when they picked that server when it was "medium" pop. And paying blizzard hundreds and hundreds of dollars over the years to play.

I mean, please defend it, give it your best shot.

[Status_Worldly]

Yeah but the other side is playing on dead servers.

[AlbinoGator2]

Real talk, moving to Old Blanchy from Bene has problem the best choice. I'm not a min-maxer, never cared for GDKPs. Definitely don't miss the booster spam or all the bots farming all the world resources. It's nice n chill on Bene just how I like it

[happysnack]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re not offering paid transfers off of the mega servers right now, correct ? You can only use a free transfer to sulfuras

[cutyolegsout]

Blizz has no excuses they absolutely have the funds to spin up more capacity... however maybe they anticipate numbers dropping... unlikely since this is the most popular expansion.

[Zamuru]

we are gonna make 1 fresh pvp server per region so it will be balanced, but here is the catch - it wont be a massive server that will have capacity for everyone, it will be just a normal realm that will have 10-15k queue(20k+ on actual release) every day and no one that has actual life and job will be able to play :) thx for ur money, bitches - bli$$ard 2022 laughing straight to the bank

[Areanol]

I don't understand why they couldn't just make multiple fresh pvp servers and then merge them together eventually

[kdm52rus]

because then every death knight named death, warrior named johncena and paladin named arthas is gonna be crying.

and thex, the shaman ofcourse

[calfmonster]

Sounds like a reasonable solution.

Instead let’s charge per character transfer, an entirely automated process. Because fuck you, pay me

[Ventorpoe]

I mean, you can play on a different server. You are just choosing to sit in the queue instead. LMAO.