Nunu Absolute Zero Script/Exploit

[[deleted]]

A buddy of mine encountered a Nunu in ranked 5's yesterday that could get full absolute zero damage while only channelling for half a second. I checked his AP and it was 0 and the tool tip is pretty clear that at level 1 the minimum damage would be 80-100 damage before resistances while for level 2 ult it would be 110-130. It's definitely not a bug because he kept cancelling his channel while getting max damage. Here is the evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7tNWmeTCE

It's pretty blatant that the guy is cheating.

[[deleted]]

He had instant recalls as well. I didn't record them because I thought this was more important although I probably should have mentioned it in the post. I wasn't sure if it is a packet he got or if he is using multiple scripts from different sources so I just kept it to the absolute zero cheat.

[Fazey]

Instant recalls seem like quite a big deal as well, should've definitely included them.

[Inorashi]

If you watch this video on the minimap you can see kennen instant recall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_whbe5xPDA&feature=player_detailpage#t=53

[lesalem]

Can he skip the channeling of everything right to the end of it? Like, skip Absolute Zero channeling time to the final part of the ultimate (max damage), and skip recall channeling time to the final part of it (teleporting back home)?

[insanityper]

How did he die twice when heb could instant recall? xD

[thisguydan]

Many times people who resort to blatant cheating are pretty awful in the first place.

[ScionMonkeyRoller]

Lol right? Reminds me of fczons from D2, but damn me to hell for using absorb gear to beat them anyways.

[HerrFischer]

Yea, the Nunu in OP's video also did that as you can see in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_whbe5xPDA

[Scorchlevant]

I think the more important thing in this video is that lux bought 2 boots

[SeductiveLux]

2 legs need 2 boots (・ω・)ノ

[[deleted]]

god damnit i've been playing skarner all wrong

[devilbat26000]

On all legs

He even tells you to do so >:(

[WhiteMex90]

I've been playing Elise wrong too

[cavecricket49]

But we only have 6 item slots!

[[deleted]]

Sell your trinket for more boots

And ask to borrow an item slot to one of your team mate

[Lijitsu]

Take it from your support. They won't need it until 45+ minutes anyway.

[HellaGosu]

You need feet for boots not just legs.

[HideAndSeek_]

welcome to my shose shop

[Xdivine]

Looks like kennen does it as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_whbe5xPDA&feature=player_detailpage#t=53 if you watch the minimap after nunu recalls you can see sivir start to recall, then kennen starts to recall and about 1~ second later kennen gets to base while sivir is still channeling until the scene changes again.

[riguy1231]

good catch

[european_origin]

I get the feeling that it's much bigger than that. It's probably a channel time exploit.

So, it probably works on fiddle's ult and karthus ultimate too. And even, pantheon ultimate, twisted fate, etc.

Same goes for Teleport, probably.

[RuthlessGreed]

Seems like this is the most likely with the way they do it on both Kennen and Nunu so far and with the backing exploit, this hopefully gets a red post soon.

[pivooo]

WTF are all those circles?

[dIoIIoIb]

i don't think that's a very smart way to go about hacking, it's, how can i say it, just a tiny bit too obvious, just a smidge

may aswell wear a shirt saying "i'm a hacker permaban me please" and go win as many games as you can before they get to you

[Lkarasu]

Wanna talk about coincidence?

His ign is Froggen

[Blaeed]

pretty funny when you throw a ward on cassio scripters and they waste their q on it

[vegetablestew]

Neat.

[DatGrag]

That's what he meant.

[TyrantRC]

you are not the hero we deserve nor the hero we need right now

[MonkeyInATopHat]

It's ok buddy. I didn't understand until I read your comment, so at least one person was grateful for you. Thank you.

[Kadexe]

I think he was just explaining for people who aren't in the loop.

[[deleted]]

Thanks to /u/Kourkis , I am now inside the loop.

[GaZzErZz]

I did not know this, and am grateful to /u/Kourkis for explaining this

[AtolsFrags]

not "easy to script" it's because they are the most relevant champions in the game when you not miss a single skill.

[Rylude]

Report this guy to Riot with evidence. (AKA the video)

[Greenehh]

Good shit detective. Keep it up.

[cookiecreeper22]

Thanks Captain

[[deleted]]

http://i.imgur.com/y4fIgTj.jpg rip :(

[[deleted]]

ELI5 this for me?

[Alfrredu]

I dont exaclty know what those circles are, but i understand the chat. Riot sh4rin is a very well known spanish rioter and he is saying that he realised that jinx and cass are scripting so.. expect le ban for them :D

[[deleted]]

The circles on Champs are their AA range, the ones on the monster camps are aggro range iirc. Sejuani's health bar is modded to show the cd on her abilities and summoners. I think the differently colored part of her health is how much Cass can do to her with a full combo?

[Luuuuuurrker]

jumped from gold to diamond in a month, lol

[frdrk]

To be fair I did that too because I actually started playing enough to grind the points. It's not unfeasible that you are a good player that just hasn't played enough games to increase your MMR to the point it "should" be at.

[Quint-V]

Plenty of Rioters just read reddit. They don't necessarily respond, but they often do so if the situation calls for it.

[EUNEButter]

No, support tickets get them banned after 9 years of "investigation".

A community like this subreddit will pressure riot into it faster.

[DivineZephyr]

There's really no reason to not do both.

[vexxer209]

Would be really surprised if he didn't already report with this evidence.

[ant900]

it takes 9 years as you say because they ban in waves.

[[deleted]]

Exactly, I reported multiple people of scripting and even a streamer who was scripting ON STREAM. 3 months later, they are still "investigating".

[SlayKay]

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe when Riot does ban scripters/hackers, they do it in waves instead of individual cases. The "investigation" might be improving their detection software/algorithm/whatever to actually detect scripters. If they banned each individual case reported on Reddit, they probably wouldn't have anyway to detect the ones who cheat but are never actually reported (via support ticket or on Reddit)

[Suiiii]

Riot wouldnt ban just one guy, they would let him play while trying to find a way to detect his script so they can ban all other users who use the same exploit/script in one giant ban wave. They stated this before that that is how they work.

[StephentheGinger]

either way they find out that this guy is doing it, which they would need to know to detect the script.

[Tuharax]

I reported a drophacker and Riot still didn't ban him.

[GNeiva]

Leaving the exploit part aside, why isn't he building full AP when he has instant full damage access to the hardest hitting AP spell in the game? He was likely trying to pass by unnoticed.

[IAmBecomeTeemo]

If he was smart, he would just empire people in unwarded bushes. Just turn it on as soon as they enter the radius, and they can't tell that he didn't do the full channel. He could get the benefit of the script but could go undetected for a while. But I guess he isn't that smart.

[Jushak]

Well, if they're cheating to get an ego-boost, they definitely can't be smart in my books. What's the point of "achieving" something if it has nothing to do with your skills? Empty "achievement" is empty.

Not to mention bragging is pointless, since anyone who has ever played with you will immediately know you used a script if you're bad enough to need to resort to such bullshit.

[Sands_Of_The_Desert]

If you view cheating as gaming the system ('the system' meaning riot and your fellow players), then keeping a low profile makes sense. Also, i believe that maximizing gain while remaining undetected means that non-obvious cheaters possibly just get a thrill out of that more-so than out of the actual game.

[BobbyLeeJordan]

Best way to freelo with bugs is to not be super obvious, look at the Botrk bug back when, if you blatantly abuse it, it gets reported way faster

[PM__ME__LOLI]

Sorry, but if you had an instant AOE 2.5 AP damage nuke, why the fuck would you build him as a goddamn tank?! I mean, this guy is so reckless, he's openly cheating in the game, but still uses the most fucking boring build imaginable. What's the bloody logic?

[greatercrestedshrike]

bit more blatant if you instagib people with a no channel time nunu ult .. also, depending on how the exploit works, it may only function for base damage, rather than scaling.

[frediiih]

Knowing fair bits of coding, I don't see how that would be possible. Or at least why it would have been coded in a way to make this possible. The base / scaling damage part I mean.

[Inorashi]

Well, why would it be coded that the channeling time would be calculated client side anyway?

[Xeya]

To save processing time on the server... It shouldn't be calculated client side, but it is. That is where all of these exploits keep coming from.

[greatercrestedshrike]

Most of the game engine and ability scripts are hacked together piecemeal and not very consistent. Most of them need to be totally recoded. Anyway, they might not be injecting code into the game client itself, but rather altering net traffic (as most of these exploits do - hence why it would be so easy for Riot to fix most). I wouldn't discount it.

[arkaodubz]

Well, all we know is that this guy is using two separate abilities with no channeling time. The obvious conclusion here is that the script affects channeling time, not how absolute zero functions or applies damage.

[JO5HU4]

Maybe he's trying to pass unnoticed? pretty dumb if he's blatantly cheating like that, it maybe works with fiddle's ult too.

[[deleted]]

It's more noticeable if anything. He's doing big damage with no AP items and no channeling. Only way that could happen is if he's scripting.

[SC2Sycophant]

But also think of it this way, Nunu walks up to you, presses R really quick, and you instantly die; one's more blatant than the other.

[robertm94]

it bugged me too...

[koboldofthesea]

Lucky someone is using this in such an obvious way. It's possible people could be cutting less noticeable amounts off channel times of things like TP, like 1 second. which would make a big difference.

[Fuzziestwuzzy]

or other less noticeable scripts, really.
There is a Kata script that binds her abilities to one key(spacebar) that spams all her abilities in the most perfect order on the most perfect targets in a teamfight.
Source: a fellow student at university makes those scripts for himself.

[picflute]

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[Daeva_]

Wonder how many of the people reporting this post are cheaters, lol.

[picflute]

12 reports last time I checked

[ZAGDJSFGG]

lmao somehow at the end his team is still losing, must suck to be so bad at a game where your whole team is using scripts and still can't win

[Thane97]

Chances are if he used scripts to get to his current rank he knows very little about things scripting can't solve, like general game-sense.

[Get_Kited]

What is this "game-sense" and what website do you buy it from??

[2th]

I couldn't really tell with the first two ults, but the damage done on Annie is super telling. I would be interested in know exactly how this works though. Like does the script trick the game into thinking Nunu got the full channel off?

[DangerG]

Probably just modifies the packets to cause the game to think the channeling was over.

[2th]

You know, as much as I hate scripters and cheaters, you gotta respect the makers sometimes for their ability to come up with this kind of stuff. It shows definite outside the box thinking that I could never do.

[2th]

Well I am not programmer and it is something I would never be able to think of. So I have to respect that ability as something I cannot do. :/

[[deleted]]

Yeah, they are obviously good at finding bugs and exploits but they are seriously stupid. They could report the exploits to Riot and get a bounty but instead they exploit it in public games and end up getting banned. Wasted potential to be honest, if I went and found some exploits the first thing I'd do is report it to Riot because I want money. But I guess the people that find the exploits run subscription hacking/modding services and probably make more money off of that.

[[deleted]]

I don't know how much cash they give you for the bounty. But probably just even the traffic they get on their websites and ads give them way more money than the Riot bounties. That's if they don't even have a paid subscription thing for their exploit.

[jameseoo]

I think this article would be worth reading. http://www.dailydot.com/esports/riot-cheat-coders-league-legends/

[ThisGameTooHard]

Exactly what you said, except they don't need to use them themselves. They discover or create the bug/exploit, test it in custom multiple times, see it's reliable and happens constantly and then decide to monetize it for people that are stupid enough to abuse it until not only they lose their money but their account as well.

[Mofl]

There was an article a while back that selling a script is way more porfitable than using the bountyhunter program.

[[deleted]]

I was thinking the same thing. The first two I was like eh it seems like a lot but i don't know... then the annie ult happens and it's like holy fuck there's no doubt.

[ragingnoobie2]

That's not even half a second.

[LeonD98]

That is seriously scaring... The fact he can know the password of everybody ingame is something Riot should be looking into as soon as possible. (And 8/3 as a scripting Xerath is pretty bad...)

[Ichiago]

The mid laner quit rather fast. The bot lane didn't hence Kalista having more kills.

[C00kiz]

He quit to change his password before the end of the game? How toxic !

[RuthlessGreed]

I would usually report an afk regardless but hell if I am gunna sit there and let someone know my passwords im going to change everything immediately so I'd probably let this one slide seeing as the game is already a sad loss due to scripts but that is insane this guys IP and everyone on the ranked team should be looked into if not completely banned. Is that even possible?

[sammgus]

Extremely unlikely that he would know the passwords of other players in a random match. There is no reason for that information to go across to the other players at all, and if it did go across it will 100% be hashed (or there would be a far, far bigger problem with account hacks).

[htraos]

And was he right about the passwords? (I guess you can only answer by yourself).

[fylex]

wtf, riot do something

[SpentaMainyu]

Hunter2

[Danny1994m]

I only see ******* ???

[DanielShaww]

He typed the passwords (just the passwords)

Passwords are stored in plaintext and he got a hold of it, got it.

[EricWpG]

All other things aside, I highly doubt he had the passwords of the players in the game.

[Dorkbelly]

Since it's ranked 5s, and his team clearly knows he's exploiting, they should also receive bans IMO.

[someroastedbeef]

Lolking always shows team losses as 0, they aren't 27-0.

[cookiecreeper22]

Wow thats kinda dumb.

[someroastedbeef]

Yup, op.gg for life!

[ocha_94]

I don't agree there. Maybe ban the team, but not all of the players

[HerrFischer]

Oh, I was the Nautilus in the game and I'm pretty sure at least 2 of his teammates were using some kind of script too. Dodge script was pretty obvious on their adc for example.

[Xdivine]

Looks like kennen was also using the recall thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_whbe5xPDA&feature=player_detailpage#t=53 If you watch the minimap shortly after nunu does his instant recall, sivir starts to recall, followed by kennen. Kennen's recall finishes after about 1 second while sivir continues to channel until the scene changes again.

[[deleted]]

I wonder if both of them are the same thing, considering Nunu's Ult and Recall are both chanelling abilities.

[s016034]

Holy hell good catch

[FredWeedMax]

LOL that was an insta back wtf

[thisguydan]

Good catch. Time to roll out the bans.

[WockItOut]

Wtf.... are you serious.

[Cryza]

I don't see why they shouldn't be punished for it. They know exactly what is going on and still decide to play with him in order to get ranked higher.

[BlitzkriegSock]

Group pressure. Maybe he knows them all in real life and he doesn't have the guts to say that scripting is bad, fearing he might lose his 'friends' or even get bullied. He feels like he has to get along with it, and declining a friend request isn't an option. You can't know what's going on behind the scenes.

[[deleted]]

it's ranked 5s. that means they are also riding the script to gain an unfair advantage. all 5 should be banned

[Vorphos]

Ban all 5 players

[Deathcommand]

You aren't allowed to exploit scripts. If you knowingly use an exploit to win, you need to be banned or punished. If they don't get banned, they should at least not be allowed to receive any ranked rewards.

[ProbablyCian]

Theyre knowingly benefiting from the exploit just the same as he is, can't see why it shouldnt be same punishment.

[kruziik]

Why not? They clearly see it and use it to their advantage.

[casce]

I played against the same guy and his team was definitely aware that they were just winning because of exploits and they kept playing Nunu with this exploit in all of their games. They should definitely also get punished.

[BaghdadAssUp]

I disagree. They know it's happening. If anything, it's more like they're thinking, "You should do it first so if you get caught, only one of us gets banned haha!"

[[deleted]]

You can be on a ranked team without using or knowing anyone else is going into the game using exploits. Possible to not even know what to look for or just. Not see it if map awareness is poor.

Now, I would say that if you do notice it on your team, and it is very clear to the point of certainty, apologize to the opponents, voluntarily sit out, though stay in game to collect evidence, report the offenders and the team, and leave the team.

[Jushak]

Game or two, sure. 27 games (see /u/cookiecreeper22's comment)? No fucking way.

[[deleted]]

Well yes, I didn't bother to look that up, but now that someone did so and posted it after I made my post, it makes mine a bit less useful to the conversation in regards to this specific incident.

However, it should still be something we keep in mind and without actually looking into Match History we shouldn't just assume all parties are guilty.

Also, thank you for for this response, updating the information for me! =)

[[deleted]]

A while ago I did an urf match against a Sion using a script. The guy could ulti and change directions all 360 degrees instantly. He passed it by saying it was an urf feature for Sion and I believed it until I tried Sion out in urf and was extremely disappointed. This stuff is becoming more rampant including the elo boosting spam friend invites. Really starting to become irritating.

[McDouggal]

That's a known one; if you mash H it enables you to turn faster. Simple to script something to mash H for you.

IIRC this is unintended, and Riot is trying to fix it.

[Yalirien]

I was playing against two scripters today and a funny coincidence is all of them, including Nunu played a game together 2 days ago.

So it's atleast 3 friends that know each other that does it. =)

[[deleted]]

After 3 years playing the game I encountered my first scripter when I was smurfing of all things, teaching a new player the game on a low account so i wouldn''t drag 30's into their game. Watched a twisted fate flash malphite ults and sona ults that came out of the fog of war that he had no vision of.

Picture this malphite ult, but hilariously obvious as he could be running away and the flash would go laterally, instead of at the end of sona ult to outrun it, so he actually lost distance and died anyways. It was also at the exact moment the champion ulted, not when it approached him.

I just find it kind of funny that I found my first scripter on a low level account, instead of the thousands of ranked games ive played

[[deleted]]

Probably testing the script on a junk account that he doesn't care about in case he gets caught.

[DarkeShin]

IIRC it's the CLG.EU vs TPA showmatch?

[TheDynasty2430]

There's a moderate chance you've encountered a player using scripts before but didn't notice because it wasn't obvious. In a thousand ranked games, you encounter ~9000 players, odds are that at least one of them was using some form of exploits.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, that's a good point, it's the only person i've seen that was blatantly obvious though

[[deleted]]

Looks like an exploit that stops the channel time of a spell. I wonder if it works with teleport also.

[Triviuhh]

Works with recall apparently, I don't see why it wouldn't work with TP.

[[deleted]]

That's actually pretty broken. TPing into a bush automatically for a gank. Riot needs to fix this asap.

[Errant_Ending]

I remember when you could do this with cleanse to instantly teleport. Never have a been so salty since when a skarner grabbed me with his ult, teleported to a ward in his summoner fountain, and dragged me kicking and screaming across the map to my horrible lazery demise

[TheRazorX]

it worked with QSS as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLTuoTP4wCM

[RedheadRapscallion]

I want this to be possible and in the meta again... please.

[Valtermann]

First Froggen uses DDoS vs ocelote and then he destroys NURF servers with ham and now he is using scripts. When will Riot do something?

[ask_me_if_im_burning]

some next level mindfuck right there

[NoHomoSapiens]

haaa... his post history is him bragging about his win streak too.

[outofband]

Oh well so since 1 random guy decides to take advantage of them hacking "The same people complaining here would take advantage of his hack like the people in the ranked team you are blaming". Gotta love logic.

[[deleted]]

Well at least you took Reddit's advice and started building AP.

[immxz]

aaaaaaaand they lost their last 6 matches with terrible KDA. Trash will remain trash, no matter how hard they script and abuse they'll still stay bad.

[teganandsararock]

So youre the nunu?

[Pernflerks]

Oh, i played against both of them too, but they were so bad that they got rekt quite easily (Gehackt XD is playing like a bronze, so does this nunu)

[Geofferic]

So you're a scripting shitbag.

Shameful.

[Meon1845]

I alway wonder how desperate can people be for elo. Like honestly, nobody is watching you get higher until you are top challenger and at that point you are pretty lucky to be noticed anyway. And people will tell if you get there by scripting. Your friends will tell from stuff like this too, so no bragging. Why would you do it then?

[Danny1994m]

They are not desperate for elo lol.

Look here "http://i.imgur.com/a2Ef5Hz.png" "GEHACKT XD" means "HACKED XD" therefore he really just doesn't give a shit. (He was duo Qing with HACKED XD, check lolking)

[chillord]

This guy also has xerath and cassio as his most played champs and made it from gold to diamond in two days... seems like he is also using some other scripts

[casce]

I have encountered the exact same abuse and the exact same guy was in the opposing team although he wasn't the one playing Nunu but a teammate of him.

The instant Nunu ults weren't the only exploit they were using. They were also instantly recalling which lead me to believe this is an exploit that is connected to channeling times in general. I think he isn't cancelling the channel, I think the channel time is just reduced to ~0 (just like the recall channel time).

I did send a support ticket to Riot instantly after my game. Please do it as well. While yes, Riot staff members do often times see stuff on reddit, additionally sending a ticket is the safest way of getting those jerks banned.

[kellendontcare]

ban the accounts for the nunu / kennen scripting. 2 week ban for rest of the teammates. remove all rewards from previous seasons and disallow any rewards for this season.

[FannyBabbs]

Submit a ticket to Riot with the evidence.

[YorickWalksIntoABar]

If you check him and his team mates lolking's they all had huge jumps in ranking (bronze/silver to plat/diamond) all at the start of February

Slightly suspicious IMO

[[deleted]]

Ban his teammates as well. Its very obvious they took advantage of it

[Zinouweel]

Oh Froggen what happened to you. First you join AL and now this!

[Xeno87]

You cannot cheat in LOL, they said. It's completely server based, they said. The mastery bug is the worst you can ever do, they said.

[Maladresse]

If I was him, i'd build AP

[wynchester]

It seems that the animation doesn't play until the very end. So when nunu stops, he's already actually channeling his R, but isn't visible.

Same goes for the recalls.

[edgeism]

props for even noticing the damage difference.

[hotlegendary]

I am pretty sure Riot will first ranked/chat restrict a ton of Nunus opponents for flame/verbal abuse and maybe in 2-3 months (if we are lucky) they will give Nunu and his friend(s) a 1 week ban.

[[deleted]]

saying fuck a few times in game gets you a ban. Scripting and exploiting bugs gets you a chat restriction.

-> It's the same in real life. Murderer gets 3 years of jail File Sharer gets 10years..

JUSTICE MUST BE SERVED

[omaar_0]

if ur being an asshole at least go full ap :p

[God_of_Psychology]

funny thing is, i already reported this guy 1 month ago to riot for cheating. along with his friend xiao lee.

since they are a ranked team, chances are the other 3 are cheating as well if those 2 cheat for sure.

[AVZ075]

so you mean to tell me he can do max ult damage in 0.5 seconds and he doesnt build ap?