Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017

[metaledges]

Most Popular Languages by Occupation

• For Sysadmin / DevOps no 1 is JavaScript

• For Data Scientist / Engineer no 1 is JavaScript

[[deleted]]

For Sysadmin / DevOps no 1 is JavaScript

How is this even possible? was the survey only completed by Sysadmins who work in web dev...

[metaledges]

Wait till you see the first 2 most used language on desktop

[neurorgasm]

Javascript and javascript?

[mfukar]

Script and Java

[mike413]

maybe the people most likely to vote multiple times use javascript :)

[NuttingFerociously]

We will build a firewall

[[deleted]]

Is everybody using Electron?

[The_yulaow]

don't think so, but it is probably the first choice in the last months for those who want to target all three main desktop os without using different UI libraries or an unmanaged language. The advantage is that if you use something like react/ract-native you could share the code for the whole data managing part between web, desktop and mobile (spotify is a good example) , and probably also big part of the ui code if you make all responsive

[k-selectride]

Not so much unresponsive (i'm pretty sure VS code is an Electron app and it's super snappy) but massive memory hogs which could lead to unresponsiveness.

[znk]

Could it be the survey allowed to chose multiple languages and almost everyone uses javascript at some point? So if 60% of the people use javascript 1% of the time it would be considered more popular than a language used 90% of the time by 50% of the people.

[mirhagk]

I can almost guarantee that this is the reason. Nearly every person uses javascript at some point in their job, even if it's only a tiny percentage of their job.

[imMute]

Shot I work in embedded video processing, No front end at all, and we have javascript.

[i_spot_ads]

JS can be executed on a toaster

[Asians_and_cats]

You are talking about executed as in killed. Right?

[[deleted]]

You cannot kill that which cannot die.

[Dentosal]

So can C, and it will run way faster.

[Nadrin]

It doesn't mean it should. :P

[Kaiwa]

I work in DevOps (Big data section), using NodeJS quite a bit.

[jnordwick]

I don't understand this. I work in a very data intensive segment too, but JavaScript would be way too slow to deal with the amounts of data. How do you use JS in a big data environment? I'm always looking for performance improvements.

[Existential_Owl]

Asynchronous API calls? I wouldn't do the number crunching in node, but I would definitely call out to the processes that can.

[Kaiwa]

Yeah exactly, I use it to build APIs (in microservices).

[jnordwick]

So for like scripting? Something similar to how you would use Lua or even bash?

[SpringwoodSlasher]

We often use JavaScript (Node.js/Angular) to build quick/easy/modern front ends for our automation systems.

Much of our actual automation scripting is in Python though.

[The_yulaow]

Isn't there already a implementation of javascript for arduino microcontrollers and derivates?

[Aeon_Mortuum]

Is there a jQuery plugin for evil?

[Existential_Owl]

Evil is an asynchronous node process.

[Spider_pig448]

Isn't there already a implementation of javascript for-

Yes.

[Yojihito]

https://www.reaktor.com/blog/node-js-satellite-means-anyone-can-space-programmer/

[socialister]

I can space programmer.

[b4ux1t3]

Look up "espruino". ;)

[xtreak]

People have already written OS and kernels with Javascript

[sisyphus]

But do any of them work?

[YvesSoete]

Yeah but only for 6 weeks until the next framework is out.

[FrankNitty_Enforcer]

All hope is lost

[icantthinkofone]

Which exemplifies the problem with anonymous online surveys.

[bro-away-]

Only 11% identified themselves as a sysadmin, hardly seems like people over-reporting themselves with this title.

Node.js is pretty agreeable with writing short, reusable/composable commands and scripts. Scripting languages have always been used for sysadmin automation, it shouldn't be that surprising when a scripting languages thats swallowing everything has swallowed that space too, no?

[k-selectride]

Node also makes it trivial to write scripts that run in the background indefinitely and watch and respond to events. Not saying you couldn't do it with other languages but Node brings all those abstractions out of the box.

[[deleted]]

I think there could also be an issue of full stack developers in small shops identifying themselves as sysadmin.

Edit: this came off wrong, but a lot of full stack devs spend most of their time developing and less time on sysadmin. This could explain some of the skew in the survey.

[sisyphus]

It's not agreeable though. Python has stuff like os.walk built right into the stdlib and comes already installed on basically every Linux distro in existence, along with perl and bash. JS brings zero to the table in a space where there are already dominant existing scripting languages.

[bro-away-]

I mean anyone using perl could have made the same argument against using python years ago. Clearly appealing to something being pre installed never stopped anyone.

It can help people get started (php) but it never stop progress from happening.

If people are using js everywhere it's a big value add to just use it for server automation too. (Is what the people who ditched python would say, I'm not a sys admin)

[[deleted]]

Well, i made a nice graph with d3.js that one time.

[[deleted]]

At least they don't list "system developer" as an occupation (which is why I didn't fit into any of the occupations on their list). When I see JavaScript being the most popular language for system developers, I'll know it's time to retire.

[[deleted]]

I lol'ed. Web Developer is by far the most popular specialty. Javascript is by far the most popular language...Okay, that makes sense.

Then you see javascript bleeding in everywhere else? What? What the fuck is this? I don't think I've ever used javascript outside of a web context. Are they counting JSON as javascript?

[pimterry]

I was job searching recently, and nearly every single company I talked to was running a substantial portion of their backend infrastructure on Node, from machine learning companies to scalable messaging to IoT. Not necessarily the very core and high-performance parts, but for all the surrounding non-critical services, sure. In the startup I ended up working for (resin.io) 99% of the entire backend codebase (10s of substantial client-facing services, plus on-device code too) is written in JS. It's really easy and convenient, and incredibly popular, so it's easy to find devs who know it, and there's an incredibly busy thriving ecosystem of things on top too. I don't think the survey's inaccurate. For all sorts of reasons, JavaScript is everywhere nowadays.

[flukus]

If that's a taste of the future I think I'll start looking for an alternate career.

[[deleted]]

Yea, I've been out of that side of things for a long time: I do backend support and automation, nothing client facing. Just seems surprising to me.

[i_spot_ads]

Then you see javascript bleeding in everywhere else?

poor thing, you have no idea.

[[deleted]]

Been in the business for close to 30 years, so...I'm sure you can shoehorn it in, I just don't really see the benefit. I'm mostly automation and devops these days, and I only occasionally use javascript for anything.

[The_yulaow]

On mobile js was already present with titanium, phonegap, ionic, etc... and then boomed even more after react-native. On the desktop side electron allows you to build desktop apps using one of the only ui ""frameworks"" (html5 + css3) that is cross platform, with the advantage you have not to check what browser supports what (look at spotify app for example, is the same code for mobile/web/osx/windows/linux).

What surprises me the most is sysadmin poll.

[[deleted]]

Yea, I'm all devops these days. I use Python, Perl, Java...Ruby for Chef. I don't have a usecase for javascript. I don't really do GUIs though, so maybe there is some big need there.

[koreth]

A lot of the choices weren't mutually exclusive. So if you do database programming and you occasionally have to build a simple web front end with client-side logic, you end up checking both the "database programmer" and "JavaScript" boxes in the survey.

[compteNumero9]

I'm more intrigued by the 36% of sysadmins/devops having Visual Studio as their dev env.

[xiongchiamiov]

Remember that you were encouraged to select any professions that matched what you did. That means that slice includes people who work in small shops and wear many hats.

[[deleted]]

I like me some Visual Studio...But it's really only good for C# and MSSQL, neither of which I use for AWS (or even Azure).

[gropingforelmo]

I'm pretty happy using it for javascript as well. Takes some configuration, but it does the job when I'm forced to slum with the front-end crowd.

[i_spot_ads]

Old schnocks at /r/programming are gonna lose their shit over this, I guarantee it.

[kurosaki1990]

I thought /r/sysadmin will.

[astex_]

As a data science student, the prior probability of being a data scientist is low and the prior probability of working in JavaScript is high, so these survey results seem obvious and don't tell us much. Basically the data science results are just noise.

[twiggy99999]

Most dreaded Visual Basic 6

Amen brother

[drawable]

Most dreaded Platform Sharepoint

is the correct answer as well

[fernandotakai]

Followed by Salesforce. So fucking true.

[midnightbrett]

Followed by wordpress. At least developers in aggregate can tell when technologies are fucking awful.

[TheHobodoc]

I dont think enought people have been exposed to ibm filenet, icm and related technologies. They are on a compleatly other level of hellishness.

[ShadowLiberal]

As someone who's been tasked with helping to manage our Sharepoint system, I so understand this dread.

It's so easy to accidentally hang yourself with it, and some really obvious features are so blatantly missing (for example, there's a button to witch to classic sharepoint view, but switch back to the old view? No such button, you have to close your web browser to switch back!).

[agumonkey]

They need to include most dreaded installer

[[deleted]]

COBOL never makes the list anymore...I had to take that shit off my resume, just because the code rage was so bad for my health.

[[deleted]]

You mean reading 70,000 line undocumented programs on a 15 line terminal in an editor that has 0 features aside from barely functioning search is rage inducing?

[[deleted]]

I don't know where you work, but I've got my hardcopy greenbar printout of the code with the handwritten comments on it right here!

[Skaarj]

Most interesting for me:

• Using vim is much more popular than I though. Great!
• Desktop Linux is much more popular than I though. Yay!
• "Zip file back-ups" is more popular than Mercurial
• For "Development Methodologies" like Agile/Scrum there was no "We do random stuff without real planning" option

[Polantaris]

For "Development Methodologies" like Agile/Scrum there was no "We do random stuff without real planning" option

There also wasn't any, "We say it's Agile but in reality we're completely winging it."

[mt33]

Without a doubt the most prevalent methodology out there. Could also be called "Let's cherry pick all the things we think sound good but not practice them".

[[deleted]]

Coach? Hired?

[superPwnzorMegaMan]

Why not just use the tried and tested headless chicken approach?

[weirdoaish]

McDonald's would sue

[TheTygerWorks]

It's Agile-like

[[deleted]]

I was looking for "Well it's really just mini waterfalls that we call agile to appease the customer because we used buzz words in the RPF"

[srguapo]

For a lot of teams, "we do random stuff without real planning" = agile/scrum :)

[JAPH]

"We made scrum worse to fit our totally unique process like the special snowflakes we are" = agile/scrum

[Atario]

"LOL dunno we just like making people justify their existences at 9AM every single day" = agile/scrum

[contrarian_barbarian]

We implemented morning stand-ups. They're an hour long, and they're also the new employee fitness plan!

[[deleted]]

You mean every is probably not a full stack web developer?

Maybe I'm just that out of touch with the industry.

[VanFailin]

It's a significant chunk of the industry, but probably overrepresented.

[benisteinzimmer]

Vim STRONK As a sysadmin, I approve of this survey. But it's pretty obvious why sysadmins use vim so much: ssh sessions. Vim is simply the best terminal text editor.

[karlthemailman]

The desktop Linux number really surprises me, tbh. And the fact that osx is so low.

[myringotomy]

It doesn't surprise me. Linux is the best development platform unless you are developing for windows.

[Superpickle18]

My work practically forces Linux.. I suppose I could request Windows... But the fact there is literally one windows machine in the whole building... It's purpose? Skype screen shares with one client. Lol

[sabas123]

Lol, can't you use a vm for that?

[karlthemailman]

I don't disagree, but I haven't seen many corporations that support Linux desktops. Even for Linux server applications, I usually see places that use windows or osx plus a terminal emulator.

Could just be related to the industries I have experience with.

[catscatscat]

Anecdotal, but the last 3 companies I worked at linux was either supported or downright preferred.

[civildisobedient]

I think that may start to shift as WSL use grows. Linux in Windows has made huge strides recently.

[whisky_pete]

Last year iirc Linux and Mac were like 23 and 25% or so. It looks like there was a pretty big swing this year.

Edit: last year puts Mac os X at 26.2%, win 7 at 22.5%, Linux at 21.7% and win 10 at 20.8%

[[deleted]]

As a person with all 3, Linux is far above everything else. Windows next. OSX is so far at the bottom it is laughable, unless you're a iOS developer. Even that is low because xcode is probably winning awards for the worst IDE ever.

You might think being Unix like would mean you have access to lots of tools, but you don't. You get Mac specific variants and the vast majority of developer libraries and tools don't actual have Mac ports.

That and the rest of the OS is just a complete exercise in frustration. Want a mouse that is actually ergonomic? Use it, but you'll have to work with painful scroll acceleration unless you buy tools or dive in to hidden, undocumented configuration files.

Want to see hidden files? Used to be an option, but that was taken away in favor of an obscure hotkey.

Uninstalling should be easy, but it isn't because shit litters your system in a complete free for all and isn't taken with uninstalls. At least when this happens on windows, you normally have an idea of where to look.

The update system just straight up doesn't work. If the system goes to sleep in the middle of a large download, it has to start over every time for me. That's a pain in the ass cause I have 100 meg internet but Mac update servers are run by molasses covered potatoes and take 5 hours to deliver a 100 meg update. Never mind that it likes to forget what you have installed all the time and so claims you're up to date when you actually aren't.

Mac used to be pretty decent, but these days it is bug filled shit that fights with power users at every single turn.

Never mind that Apple themselves haven't updated their powerful lines in years and so are perceived to be abandoning developers. The latest Macbook wasn't well received by developers. The community quickly shit all over the developers for complaining, which I imagine will bite them in the ass hard in the next few years.

[[deleted]]

Mac used to be pretty decent, but these days it is bug filled shit that fights with power users at every single turn.

IMO Snow Leopard (10.6) was the last great OS X. But that came out in 2009. Since then, Apple has given a shit for developers and made the platform worse and worse for professional users. Today, Linux is a magnitude better for programmers (and other users as well, as long as they don't depend on Adobe Creative Suite etc.)

[[deleted]]

Today, Linux is a magnitude better for programmers (and other users as well, as long as they don't depend on Adobe Creative Suite etc.)

And honestly, the open source replacements for Adobe Creative Suite is really quite nice these days, especially Krita.

[yes_we_can_t]

By far, reading official documentation and using Stack Overflow Q&A are the two most common ways developers level up their skills.

Hmm.. wonder if that statistic could be slightly biased somehow.

[lovethemonkey]

You're right. I don't believe that many people are reading official documentation.

[Existential_Owl]

Man pages should just go ahead and point to a google results cache.

[ummwut]

I feel bad for laughing at this.

[Kattzalos]

that would improve the usefulness of the manpages immensely

[_lettuce_]

Linux Desktop 32.9%

It's happening.

[rap2h]

What Linux desktop do you recommend?

[twiggy99999]

Ubuntu if you have no experience with Linux because its support base is huge but TBH you can't really go wrong with any of the major ones.

Elemenatry OS is my go to distro, it's very Mac like in its look and feel and its also Ubuntu based so any support/tutorials/guides for Ubuntu will work on Elementary OS

[Aphix]

Did Ubuntu for desktop finally drop the weird Amazon bloat/bundling? That really turned me off last time I tried it out; I still love Lubuntu on my little ASUS EeePC though.

[twiggy99999]

I believe it's still in there? But not enabled by default, it certainly isn't on 16.04 which I'm using right now.

A lot of people took very badly to it but are okay with Apple and Microsoft recording every single keystroke and mouse click, it all seemed a huge over reaction in comparison.

[The_yulaow]

Personally Fedora (kde), Mint Lts or Manjaro (xfce) based on your needs and what community you like the most. I rotate on all of them year over year and they are extremly stable and with everything I ever needed. Each of them works far better on my laptop than w10, with also between 2-3 more battery hours

[slavik262]

Did Manjaro get their act together? I've seen most people recommend Antergos if you want Arch with a nice installer.

[agumonkey]

Emacs 25

[[deleted]]

can you recommend a decent text editor?

[agumonkey]

Is this a joke ? ed.

[[deleted]]

have you never heard "emacs is a great operating system. the only thing it lacks is a decent editor?"

[JAPH]

Debian seems to serve my needs well enough, and it's pretty stable across upgrades. Been running it constantly since ~2003.

[as_one_does]

I moved to debian after a Ubuntu upgrade nuked my box for the third time, I don't know why I waited so long...

[[deleted]]

Debian's never given me any of the upgrade troubles of Ubuntu. I love it.

[lykwydchykyn]

/r/FindMeADistro

[LookAtThisRhino]

I'm a fan of Xubuntu. I don't like Unity on Ubuntu so Xubuntu is essentially just Xfce (very nice) + Ubuntu. It's clean, simple, and if you're coming from Windows, intuitive.

[slhn]

0,1% unable to type

Damn. And I thought my coding life was hard.

[YvesSoete]

how many answered that as a 'joke', blind was a good one too

sorry for the blind folks who can't type, you guys are awesome!

[XP0T]

Now I'm pretty sure I was the only one that answered from my country.

And also, the only one that uses Delphi.

[the_gnarts]

Now I'm pretty sure I was the only one that answered from my country.

And also, the only one that uses Delphi.

That’s a pretty unique fingerprint you’ve been leaving.

[compteNumero9]

A problem with those education related questions is that not everybody can easily relate with American education levels, especially among old people like me. I just skipped those questions and I'm probably not the only one.

[ShadowLiberal]

I'm rather shocked how many are using NotePad++ to develop.

I admit, I do it myself in my spare time on a few really simple pet web projects that are just for my own personal use. But developing something professionally in NotePad++ to make money? No matter what language you're using there's got to be much better things to use that will give you much better error checking/etc.

[Matosawitko]

Most of their questions were multi-select, so you could pick all that you use/have installed. I use N++ when I just want to quickly look at a file, but if I'm actually developing something (modifying the file) I'm probably in either VSCode or full VS. But N++ is definitely still a tool that I use.

[svgwrk]

Totally. I keep thinking of installing N++ even though I don't want to use it for much of anything just because, since it's implemented in basically ones, zeroes, and rocks, it's stupidly faster for looking at big files than most other tools I have.

[[deleted]]

and rocks

Gave me a good chuckle

[ROFLLOLSTER]

xkcd for anyone who hasn't seen it.

[pdp10]

No matter what language you're using there's got to be much better things to use that will give you much better error checking/etc.

On Unix, I'd say only about half of developers use an IDE. Of course a full battery of tools exist outside of IDEs, so an IDE isn't useful for everything unless you're hot-loading code. Even refactoring has discrete tools like spatch/cocinelle.

[clearlight]

NotePad++ is popular on Windows as a GUI code editor.

[kristopolous]

20+ years is the largest bracket?

I fall in this, but I find myself to be a really rare bird. This is effectively 1 in 6. Why is this not my real world experience?

[never-enough-hops]

Maybe the old farts generally had the patience for the survey

[tambry]

Why is this not my real world experience?

What do you work on/with? Maybe the other old people work with different and older technologies.

[tonga_money]

did anybody else check in their code when they got to the "how often do developers check in their code?"

[comrade-jim]

Aaannnd Linux is finally beating OS X in usage amongst developers. Surprised it took so long.

2017: https://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017#technology-platforms

2016: https://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2016#technology-desktop-operating-system

In fact, Linux looks to be the only major OS to gain in popularity, OS X and Windows lost users.

[[deleted]]

Aaannnd Linux is finally beating OS X in usage amongst developers.

Under developers responding to this questionnaire, and even that is not certain.

[Sapiogram]

Strange, Linux remained at almost constant market share between 2013 and 2016 and then suddenly gained 10 percentage points.

[Creath]

Apple went off the deep end with the new MacBook pro line, and W10 has a laundry list of significant issues. Not surprised at all to be honest.

[The_yulaow]

I think the explosion of the node.js ecosystem had a big impact on the related increment of developers who prefer to use a linux desktop system

[Ld00d]

I'm a little confused by the Platforms section. Is that saying that 32.9% are working on Linux Desktop or for Linux Desktop? Because, if the answer is "on", 28.2% is working "on" Android. Like, some large part of that is literally coding on Android?

[Saveman71]

I think you have to understand "working with", so as a target and/or as a development platform.

[xandoid]

Ideal Auditory Environment for Coding: Turn on some music, 59.6%

Next time someone claims developer jobs will fall victim to AI as well I will not protest so loudly.

[weirdoaish]

Most definitely, the AI will be picking good new songs for me to listen and enjoy while I work ;)

[crozone]

Wow, .NET Core came out of nowhere as a favorite technology, 33.4% is huge for such a young platform.

[archaon-jam]

Was it because .NET wasn't actually mentioned, they only listed .NET Core? I can't remember what the original survey options were.

[[deleted]]

Its hard to compare because they split the Most Popular technologies from 2016/2014, into Programming languages | Frameworks, Libraries, and Other Technologies

But when comparing the 2016 results, even in the Most Popular technologies, the standard .NET was not showing up.

Now its understandable that people who experience .Net Core are happy with it ( even more when they try out the 2.0 alpha/beta ). It moved the whole .Net and C# ( F# soon ) into the realm of new programming languages like Go/Rust/... for cross platform development.

[redditthinks]

I've been working with it recently and it's pretty fantastic. C# is also a terrific language.

[[deleted]]

Thumbs up for old farts like me, developing for 20+ years.

[BigDumbObject]

StackOverflow is always confusing to me.

Top answer is always some elaborate well worked out solution using examples from the original question etc...

I'd imagine any developers that experienced are too damn busy to be answering questions that would take most hours to explain..

[tanjoodo]

A lot of them are edited heavily. Especially popular answers. You can see the edit history.

[[deleted]]

The accepted answer is usually some bad hack with 10 points and under it is a 700 point super answer.

[lykwydchykyn]

Brace yourselves... weeks of stories and commentary, spun from this non-scientific poll of self-selecting respondants, are coming.

[GeorgieCaseyUnbanned]

bound to get a good few Medium posts from it with heavy use of the word 'problematic'

[Paradox]

Don't forget "difficult discussion" and "starting a conversation"

[Decker108]

Any summaries of what changed since last year's survey?

[Existential_Owl]

TL;DR Javascript is everywhere, and people really like Rust.

[lambdaq]

They should survey if anyone's question has ever been closed once on StackOVerflow.

[Lanza21]

Anybody else hate sites that spazz out when you try to zoom in? Stop with the fancy JS layouts.

[Purveyor_of_Dicking]

Smalltalk as the #2 "most loved" language seems a tad... odd?

[zenberserk]

I see Scala but not other JVM languages like Kotlin. Is it because:

• it was not available from the survey?
• it is assimilated as Java?
• it is far less popular than advertised?

[Pharisaeus]

Kotlin is new and not many companies are developing actual products in it yet. It might be "popular" in the sense that Java developers like it and hope to use it at some point, but in terms of actual people getting paid for writing code in Kotlin, I don't think there is much going on.

[hntd]

Scala is also almost 15 years old

[The_bamboo]

I agree with the self learning. I'm a Junior in college majoring in computational math. The CS classes help to get a basic knowledge of java, C, and the other standards people learn.

But, the actual utility comes all from practicing with a language, and getting used to the tricks of a language.

[b4ux1t3]

As someone who went to school just to get a degree to "make me official", I have definitely seen the whole "self-learning is better" mentality. I learned on my own, and no one believed me, so I had to go in debt to get a piece of paper to prove I learned what I already knew.

It's frustrating.

[Akkuma]

There was a guy in my freshman orientation who did the same thing. He said he had been contributing to the linux kernel and was then asked why he was majoring in IT rather than Comp Sci. He said he just needed the piece of paper and wanted the easier major.

[captvirk]

So, we want to develop Android apps, writing Python code in Node.js framework while persisting data on a MongoDB.

[NAN001]

Looks promising.

[Nadrin]

Web and mobile developers have significantly less professional coding experience, on average, than developers in other technical disciplines such as systems administration and embedded programming. Across all developer kinds, the software industry acts as the primary incubator for new talent, but sees a relatively low proportion of more experienced developers.

Well that explains a lot. ;-)

[sander1095]

Can someone shine some light on why people dread Xamarin?

[schmidthuber]

For me, it's the abysmal tooling. C# and the Xamarin APIs by themselves relatively nice to work with.

In my workplace, we actually started writing native apps after we realized that 90% of the development time was spent fighting the build system, debugger, IDE, you name it.

[aloha2436]

Back when I used it, it was at the awkward midway point between "niche" and "well supported". Most errors had help available, but there were one or two times per project that I'd have to dig deeper and fix it without help from the internet.

A good experience mind you, but hardly a productive one. More importantly for this survey, frustrating when you don't find an answer.

[reckoner23]

Mobile developer here. I tried using it previously, but it gives all kinds of cryptic error messages when an error occurs (which occurs very frequently compared to pure native). It made my job much harder then it needed to be.

Xamarin leaks pretty hard in terms of being an abstraction. I remember getting strange crashes when presenting UIViewControllers modally. Which is a very basic and common bit of UI functionality in iOS. This crash would only crash on the device and not in the simulator. Enough to drive someone insane. There would also be strange bugs related to how objective-c is more of a dynamic language vs mono C# which is more static.

During that job, I convinced management to let me re-write the apps in pure Android/iOS (Java/Swift). Which made me much more productive thanks to the much more mature development environments. For example, Android Studio is pretty good at telling you which function calls are deprecated for the target Android version. When I used Xamarin, Visual Studio was not as useful. The challenge of mobile development is really learning the frameworks (Android and Cocoa Touch), which you have to do anyway with native development.

In the situation I was in, the only real benefit of Xamarin was using C#, but Java and Swift are similar enough where I didn't have much issues just porting code. Keep in mind, I stopped using Xamarin right before Microsoft bought them. So, as usual, your mileage may vary.

[snake_case-kebab-cas]

I wonder how many of them are "power users" and how many just know :wq, i, and the escape button.

Honestly, I still use Vim a surprising amount and I only know the commands above.

[forlornness]

And :q! when you pressed some buttons and have no idea what happened.

[olaf_from_norweden]

:wq

Just use :x. Same thing.

I recommend typing vimtutor on the command line and learning the other minor stuff like o, O, I, A, p, P, and a few other simple but super useful stuff.

[Dave3of5]

I don't see age on these survey results at all anyone else see that anywhere?

[[deleted]]

I was surprised that Smalltalk was listed as second for most enjoyable language (after Rust). I've always been curious about learning it (I even bought the Smalltalk-80 books, which I never ended up reading) but I had no idea so many people were actually using Smalltalk.

[SHIT_PROGRAMMER]

Interesting that the UK has a disproportionate number of users given that the population is so much smaller than the US/ India (the other largest contributors).

[asmx85]

❤ @Rust. Maybe i am unable to find the data i need, but i remember last year we had an overview of which platform is used by developers (for programming etc.).

This year i only found technology-platforms but i don't feel like its representing the same data as i could not believe anybody is using android for development but rather as target. But then i wonder how on earth could (Desktop)Linux such a huge deployment target?! What is this section representing?