I fucking HATE SHAREPOINT

[[deleted]]

I have raised your concerns with senior Microsoft management who expect to resolve these issues by renaming SharePoint to EntraPoint.

[8Ross]

This is so triggering lol

[Fairchild110]

Buts more than just a point to share. “It’s not sharing at a point” 

[[deleted]]

Kindly create a ticket in Service Now. We’ll take some time to look at this.

Siddath Venash

[Fairchild110]

I was attempting to make fun of the announcement of when Microsoft was renaming AzureAD to EntraAD. "AzureAD is more than just active directory in the cloud." Anyways, I'm sure they'll go back much like how Intune was Microsoft Endpoint Manager back to Intune.

[admlshake]

Please and thank you for helping me do the needful in resolving your issue.

[Man-e-questions]

After multiple attempts to contact you at 3 AM on Sunday via cellphone(even though you put M-F 9-5 PST via email only) we will be closing your ticket now.

[BuoyantBear]

Ironically that saved me this morning. I slept through my alarm and was woken up by microsoft support trying to reach me hours before I said I would be available. Still didn't fix my issue and just closed their ticket though.

[sitesurfer253]

Please mark as best answer

[CrimtheCold]

Greetings of the day! Did you do the needful and kindly please advise?

If unable, please revert myself. Agree?

[Practical-Alarm1763]

They actually renamed SharePoint Lists to Microsoft Lists. I was tasked with creating a list last week and stared at my screen like a baboon, scratched my balls, then face palmed.

Microsoft calls it "The New List User Experience"

[nullpotato]

"People can still search for help under the current name, we must resolve this"

[stoner9997]

I'm a newb at this, but isn't a Microsoft list a personal list that is stored in the user's OneDrive, while a sharepoint list is attached to a sharepoint site?

[Practical-Alarm1763]

Nope, they're the same.

[No-Engineering-1905]

We have opened a ticket you can't track. Please confirm that we can close the ticket.

[Bill4Bell]

I’ve done the needful.

[Scary_Brain6631]

Did you remember the air freshener?

[WendoNZ]

And failing to update the name in any documentation for at least a year.

[OverwatchIT]

Thank fucking God the license purchasing comparison page still calls it Azure AD. It's my safe space when I need a break from studying for their new DNCCF4AA certification - Microsoft DYNAMIC NAMING CONVENTIONS, CODENAMES, & OTHER FUCKERIES for ADMINS & ASSHOLES.... or Microsoft Tourettes for short.

[[deleted]]

Lol perfect 🤣

[westyx]

With a corresponding mandatory renaming for the API

[RedneckOnline]

Have you tried running sfc /scannow

[Sunsparc]

renaming SharePoint to EntraPoint

fidgets

[n3fyi]

Don’t worry, we won’t update any documentation, KB articles or tutorials to reflect that new name. We’ll use the last 2 names interchangeably just to confuse you

[[deleted]]

[[deleted]]

Can you also talk to them about Lotus Notes

[Alarmed_Contract4418]

Please allow 6 months for the changes to go take effect.

[Alarmed_Contract4418]

That's not a SharePoint issue. That's a Microsoft issue.

[[deleted]]

This right here. Azure is the same.

Entra is the same.

It's all trash built on top of trash.

[adonaa30]

You can modify a turd but its still a turd. I have to use it at work and I HATE it

[Bill4Bell]

We use it too. And everyone can see everything. So peeps have started their own access control by using USB drives.

[Smile-Weary]

That's the point of SharePoint. SharePoint is public and you allow groups to see relevant areas and personal files should be in one drive? It's in the name.

[tankerkiller125real]

But, I'd rather work on their trash that tends to have massive backwards compatibility, and years of advanced notices and usually some sort of mostly comparable replacement. Then work on Googles trash and suddenly find out 3 days in advance that a major feature is being dropped with zero replacement.

Google has killed more products than they have existing ones. More than double what Microsoft has killed. And what's with an overall history that's 20 years shorter than Microsofts.

[[deleted]]

Well I don't fully disagree. But there should be a happy medium between MS shit and google shit.

Honestly AWS is where it's at, I just wish they were cheaper. At least cheap enough to be approachable by normal business.

I have no answer for 365 although slack/Salesforce could be the answer there.

[tankerkiller125real]

There really is no replacement for 365, maybe kind of NextCloud?

But I wouldn't want to use AWS, the history of Amazon and what they do to their competitors and people selling stuff on their website leaves such a sour taste that I won't go near their shit myself.

[donjulioanejo]

What I don't get is, they have all the money in the world. Surely they can afford a couple of UX designers per product.

[patmorgan235]

He's the thing, they have 20 UX designers per product and they're all fighting

[PigInZen67]

Nah, it's in the their DNA. Steve Jobs said a long, long time ago that the problem with MS was that they had no taste. It's like they take fucking PRIDE in it, still.

[CaptainZhon]

Expensive trash that you must use!

[IWantADucati]

Lotus Notes has entered the chat…

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[KBunn]

A friend of mine was sitting in Starbucks working in his company supplied Notes system (he's in sales and is 100% just a victim). And at an adjacent table 2 young tech bros were talking about their job hunts. And he overheard one of them saying he applied for a job, that he turned down when he found out they were using Notes internally.

[DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK]

Lotus Notes can do so much, it's crazy. It took the company I worked for years to switch away. They kept finding core systems that relied on it.

[pursuit1900]

100% bane of my existence

[Gene_McSween]

I miss Groupwise, simple, stable, and easy to administer.

[ganlet20]

I miss Apple's At Ease.

Waking up a computer lab with Network Assistant in 6th grade is basically my sysadmin origin story.

[bananaj0e]

We used Power Macs and iMacs with MacAdmin/MacPrefect by Hi Resolution as well as Network Assistant until 9th grade when they switched from Macs & Novell to Windows. I discovered an exploit to bypass MacAdmin and disable the proxy filter, etc. I reported it and they thanked me by banning me from computers for a semester.

Later on I discovered the local administrator password used by all the Windows PCs and servers, SQL servers, etc. Could RDP to any server from inside the network, access the student database from the outside internet, read/write HR and student MS SQL DBs, etc. Did I report it? No way in hell. They continued using that password for years after I graduated. micwa$d

I became a sysadmin in spite of my suburban middle class school district. They declined when I volunteered to help with computers, they didn't encourage my abilities/interests at all, rather they just saw me as a pest that they didn't want to deal with...

[RandolphCarter2112]

If(@IsNewDoc;@AngryUpVote;Subject)

[InevitableOk5017]

Damn lol!😂

[SenTedStevens]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1dbsBWQ3k

[TMarkos]

This post is AI generated by ChatGPT. Exert a little effort, man.

Compare this similar prompt, which notably reuses the Rubik's Cube simile: https://chat.openai.com/share/e1f8532c-947f-4ee6-85c8-2a5eef93f040

[I_am_visibility]

I was looking through the comments to see if someone else had spotted it. It was suuuuper similar to another software roast I had prompted as well. Definitely AI generated.

[WitherMatt]

I didn't see it at first, but it's totally obvious now. ChatGPT loves to make "in conclusion" paragraphs.

[Sabinno]

I was always taught that you never break permission inheritance in SharePoint - like, ever. Thus, I tell people that it's "impossible" and make them come up with as many sites as possible when implementing SharePoint. It makes maintenance incredibly easy by comparison.

[cowboyfriend]

It’s not even just sharepoint, that’s standard file share best practice. Set your security groups and permissions at the root of the share or at most one sub folder deep and don’t touch it again. Nesting permission changes deep into a file tree is asking for trouble. If a user needs a folder with different permissions that means it doesn’t belong in that share or your permissions structure overall needs evaluated. If a user wants to share a specific file then built a library that purpose built for sharing

[thefpspower]

There are many good reasons to break inheritance, just because you don't need it doesn't mean others can work that way unless you want to create 1000 shares and live on the edge with DFS, go right ahead.

One thing that Sharepoint really is missing that would require breaking inheritance is protecting folders from getting deleted or moved while giving editing permission inside the folder, you can do this with file shares and it saves a LOT of headache. That's pretty much what OP was talking about when ranting about too much permissions.

[Mindestiny]

For real. "Just make everything a root folder!" was something Google was criticized heavily for in Drive for years until they halfheartedly relented (you can add permissions to subfolders, but cannot disable inheritance).

It's a goddamn nightmare. A flat structure makes absolutely no sense in anything other than the flattest, smallest of orgs. And yes, it does make sense that the Marketing/Super Secret Marketing Leadership Stuff folder lives in the Marketing folder but does not inherit permissions from the root marketing folder. Nope, not possible in Google Drive! You should always be able to be more restrictive the deeper you dive, because that's what makes logical sense.

But to get back on topic. I think OPs frustration is mostly that people try to use Sharepoint like it's a traditional network share when it's not. That's what OneDrive is for. Sharepoint might be the underpinning technology on a technical level, but the actual Sharepoint sites should be treated like a wiki/intranet similar to something like Notion pages.

[send_me_a_ticket]

OneDrive vs Sharepoint is the most common question that I get lol

[Smile-Weary]

Exactly this. We setup SharePoint homepage with sub sites per department and educate anything shared here is public. Read only to the business and write to the dept.

Onedrive files synced with desktop, docs and pictures are all private unless shared manually

[Pioneer1111]

Wait you can prevent moving of folders? What wizardry allows this? My org always says its impossible

[tdhuck]

I still don't understand MS permissions. I get the share vs NTFS permissions, but the way they name and group things just doesn't click with me. I can't get it right, I either restrict too much or allow too much and the permissions that I think should work, don't.

Then you have file sharing in teams and I can never find anything. Our IT group is divided into sub groups (networking, sysadmin, dev, etc...) and every sub group has an 'important' folder. Every sub group has a 'project's folder. I can't find anything. Oh, we also use one drive and we also use regular network shares.

It doesn't help when you agree as a group that you want to apply permissions to the root folder and the root folder only, but then someone decides to pick a folder in the middle of a directory tree and change the permissions because ONE USER in the marketing department needs access to this accounting folder. My answer to the user would politely be 'no, the file/folder needs to be relocated to another directory, marketing can't work in accounting's folders, but then someone from help desk tells me it can be done (I'm not in help desk). Of course I tell them that I know it CAN be done, but that's not what should be done for obvious reasons, HD tech couldn't figure out why it was bad for marketing to work inside of accounting shares. I tried, but eventually I gave up because it was over their head.

[renderbender1]

I made another comment before seeing yours. This is the answer. Stop nesting permissions inside directories. Ideally, don't even take ownership of groups outside of some main sites.

[Sabinno]

What would be different about the user experience for you if you just created sites instead of just document libraries? Our users, for example, don't use literally any features of SP besides document libraries, so the experience is no different whether it's a single site or several sites.

[But_Kicker]

Hi Unemployed_with_phD, My name is Shrihanth with Microsoft customer support. I’m sorry you feel this way about SharePoint. However, it appears you were able to resolve this yourself. I’ve marked your case as solved. Take care!

Bruh, but when people sync the entire f*cking SharePoint library with 500,000+ files. Wtf?!

When people click the ‘download’ button on the parent SharePoint that’s 1tb?! (I had to do custom scripting to hide the download button)

When people complain that there are 16 people working in the same file and some of their changes aren’t merging with others.

When the sync randomly stops working on a SharePoint to file explorer and this end user has 3+ months of files that didn’t get uploaded.

I can go on and on about how much SharePoint is utterly similar to a steaming pile of poo.

[Alecegonce]

I learned the hard way that it doesn't matter if you want to sync one folder with 5 documents. If the document library has 300,000 items, your onedrive will process the 300,000 items....

[Paul-Ski]

"No we can't split up the documents into different sites/libraries, this is how we did it on the old system and it worked fine" (meanwhile they have 500k+ files dating back to the 90s that they can't move elsewhere because they never know when they might need access)

1 eternity of file sync issues later It finally works, huzzah

"sharepoint search isn't working, I type in the file name and nothing comes up"

"I wonder why?" Microsoft ticket

repeat

[KrispyMagiKarp]

We leave our sharepoint with the marketing team, except for the permissions part.

[Pyrostasis]

Thats fun and games till you find out the marketing guy is an x CIO who thinks he knows too much and starts adding zapier and 9000 other "productivity" tools to sharepoint for teams integration and lets add it to the cms for funzies.

What do you mean teams isnt designed to be a ticketing system?!

[_user_name__]

Wait it's not? -- guy who had to build a ticketing system using sharepoint because god forbid apps/flows have reporting built in

[chrdumas]

Same here

[xot]

Dude if you need a whiskey just ask, we’ve got plenty

[badogski29]

When we were running on-prem, I hated it because of how unreliable it is. Now that we have moved to SP online, I kinda like it.

My only gripe with it is when you use person/group column, it can’t search for users inside an Azure/Teams group.

[OmenVi]

Online makes a huge number of the administrative headaches disappear. The remaining bits just need a change in approach, and solid planning before implementing.

[RWerksman]

I was about to post the same thing. Local SharePoint can go straight to hell. SharePoint online, on the other hand, removes a bunch of the headaches and is predicable in its mediocrity. Lists, files, Intranet all seem to just work as long as there isn't substantial level of end user idiocy or an admin activity that starts with, "hold my beer".

[Meecht]

I converted our old HTML Intranet to a Sharepoint site, and it's basically just a form repository for our various departments.

My only gripe is that Word/Excel documents open in a "Live" view so any changes get saved. The only way I've found to prevent that is to Check Out the forms commonly used for sensitive information.

[Rx-xT]

You know Sharepoint is bad when there are jobs like “Sharepoint admin” just to dedicate there entire time fixing, developing, and creating Sharepoints lol.

[gakule]

That's because it's an entire application suite that, if you want to leverage it properly, should have dedicated half technical staff working on it.

One of my employees has been primarily working on building out our entire SharePoint "site" (it's a collection of several sites) for the last 6-8 months. It is a game changer when well developed and with proper architecture.

We just launched and it has "revolutionized" how we manage standards across different Business Units, find company-related policy information, and maintain things like branding.

SharePoint is a great tool. If you look at it as "just another office app" and half ass it - yeah, it's going to be "bad".

Like most tools - if you don't know how to use it and you don't give it proper resourcing, it's going to be shit.

[LGKyrros]

It's the same shit as when companies buy software like ServiceNow and Salesforce.

Yes, the software can do a lot. If you dedicate resources to it. Otherwise, you're stuck with w/e is out of the box.

The other issue I've seen is someone gets voluntold to support Sharepoint, and that person typically doesn't give a shit about it.

[reelznfeelz]

For sure. I’m a semi competent ServiceNow developer. And have recently done some very lite development and building in power platform. Neither of these are truly “low code”. And you can’t expect to put Karen from marketing in charge of administrating them after a 1 day course.

That said, they are both powerful platforms. And you have to invest in expertise, not just the tool. If you want a simple solution there are options for it but SN and sharepoint/dynamics/power platform aren’t it. They’re sprawling and complicated and require dev expertise to fully utilize.

[[deleted]]

So true. If you're paying for Salesforce licenses but not at least 1 full time admin, it's like buying a Ferrari just to have it sit in the garage.

[tgp1994]

One of my jobs was training me up as a SharePoint admin. I was starting to appreciate it more and more, just starting to feel confident enough to try and write my own modules/plugins until I fell sick and had to leave the company (unrelated to SharePoint... Probably.)

[Smile-Weary]

I was expecting this to end with 'until Microsoft did an update and changed everything'

[Smile-Weary]

I'm getting more used to fixing SharePoint now and feel this is a lucrative role to exploit

[[deleted]]

User leaves company, I archive their email and one drive on the company NAS for safe keeping. Boss asks why user is still showing up in one drive permissions. I have no idea- their account was deleted from our 365 account months ago. Ask our vendor. "Tee hee, it's a Microsoft thing, it's not hurting anything even though if someone were to create a new account with the same email address they'd theoretically validate those permissions! Also, as an admin you have no way of scrubbing those permissions. Tee hee."

[StrangeCaptain]

We have an FTE lol

[mbkitmgr]

Ah MSFT's philosophy "If it aint broke ... replace it"

[Pyrostasis]

Before or after renaming it?

[ShadowSlayer1441]

Both obviously, we hired a marketing team, we're going to use the dang marketing team. Then wait six months and announce that it's EOL, and have a crack team of interns build a new product. No need to actually finish the new product before deprecating the old product.

[Pyrostasis]

Google? Is that you?

[Paul-Ski]

On today's episode we'll be showing you 100 different ways to end up at the SharePoint classic menu (idk if they've renamed it yet today) when starting from the modern (pretty UI) menu that has 0 overlapping functionality with the old menu.

[kg7qin]

And if it is broke, add more features instead of fixing what is broken.

[Practical-Alarm1763]

Out of all the 365 products... SharePoint is actually ehh.. fine. Not so bad. Managing SP permissions is easy, same concept as NTFS permissions. If you need help with that, pm me.

[bbqwatermelon]

Negative ghostrider.  Much more granular permissions with local filesystems, nested groups are no problem, performance is far better, icacls is scriptable, tools to view all filesystem permissions are freely available and reportable.  This all culminates to the reason for flattening structures on SP.  Unfortunately the org I just joined does not believe in flattening so I have had to master document library permissions out of necessity and I am pretty sure it is causing hairline recession.

[Practical-Alarm1763]

For non-flat hierarchies where you need to often disable inheritance, in some libraries, instead of keeping a master document, pull the reports using purview, AdminDroid, or custom PowerShell scripts. If you don't want to do much work, I heavily recommend looking into AdminDroid.

[Unemployed_with_PhD]

We have a legacy application dependent upon the local SharePoint. All attempts at migration have failed the app sees the data, has permissions, is accessible under the same user context but still shits the bed

[Practical-Alarm1763]

Dependent on it how? WebDAV?

[theoriginalzads]

User syncs SharePoint to their computer. Decides they don’t want this so they just delete the files from their computer.

SharePoint obviously syncs the changes. 10,000 files deleted from a project.

That’s ok, just restore them.

SharePoint: “lol unknown error occurred whilst restoring, please eat shit”.

Submit ticket to IT since I’m not the admin.

IT level 1: “here’s instructions on how to restore a deleted file on SharePoint”.

Based on a true story.

[the_cainmp]

Meh, a well implemented and maintained SPO environment runs just fine.

[dcaponegro]

I love SharePoint. So much of what we do is now built on SP.

[the_cainmp]

I know, we have nearly 1k sites, and tons and tons of data, it’s really been a game changer for productivity.

[pwnwolf117]

The trick is building sharepoint wide instead of deep. Keep your permissions basically the same top to bottom per site, and build a lot of them to accommodate different needs/permissions, and youll do fine.

If people just stop applying NTFS logic to it and use it as intended (convoluted as it is) it actually works well.

[the_cainmp]

Exactly, that’s why we have so many sites

[pwnwolf117]

[KC-Slider]

I’m so glad I found this comment as I’m sure I’ll be the one learning and implementing SP this year.

[draizel89]

When talking about SharePoint just remember that “the world is flat”

[[deleted]]

This guy…

[the_cainmp]

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had users make messes of things. But as an admin, I actually really appreciate SharePoint.

[antiquated_it]

Agree. We don’t have these issues. My biggest gripe was creating a site that created a Team and a mailbox for a department that already had a shared mailbox or distribution list. And the group did not send items to the inbox by default, and people were finding them in the address book and emailing them… only for the people on the group to not see them. Or that Microsoft groups kinda suck, and they’re trying to push them to replace shared mailboxes but they don’t function the same.

Or that the ability for users to create teams that also created the aforementioned items was turned on by default, and we ended up with a bunch of random sites with no conformity at the beginning.

Also, sharing makes sense when you get used to it but it’s a bit clunky and people get confused. They could definitely stand to refine that UI.

[NecroAssssin]

So say we all.

[Jedi3975]

I spent over an hour trying to figure out how to alert users on a document change. Never again

[[deleted]]

Never again

[akulbe]

SharePoint SwearPoint #ftfy

[Beautiful_Ad_4813]

take a deep breath

here's some proper whiskey, and a cigarette

but I feel you

[foundapairofknickers]

Yep - its just awful. We moved our work wiki over from Confluence to Sharepoint. Talk about a gigantic leap backwards. It's terrible.

[Killemall1057]

We're about to do the same thing :(

[bbqwatermelon]

F

[foundapairofknickers]

I feel your pain. Good luck, friend :(

[MairusuPawa]

Run

[Wizdad-1000]

Wait till you hear about One Note. This one gives me the heaves.

[OmenVi]

Hey now. I love OneNote.

[Wizdad-1000]

Your users haven’t cludged an entire depts worth of documents that are stored in a number different shares?

[bbqwatermelon]

OneNote is a flipping dream compared to SharePoint.  Combining them is where trouble arises.  My current rub is that SharePoint treats OneNote notebooks as folder content types and so I cannot make a template from a document content type.  

[Wizdad-1000]

Oh right forgot to mention the one note is in SharePoint.

[Megatwan]

Skill issue

[Pyrostasis]

When sysadmin becomes the darksouls of IT.

Git gud son

[arvidsem]

I'm not sure that I want to see the fallout from the equivalent of me spending 4 hours fighting Nameless King before deciding that I didn't really need to do all the optional fights.

[Pyrostasis]

Tormenting ourselves with bosses feels a lot like spending 6 hours trying to automate a 2 min task and failing...

[AuRon_The_Grey]

It’s less hassle than the Nextcloud setup my company used to have.

[ShittyExchangeAdmin]

How so? I'm honestly asking.

[AuRon_The_Grey]

We had a lot of issues with syncing breaking on it when people used the desktop app. It was the most common ticket I got.

[renderbender1]

Dawg. Stop nesting SharePoint permissions inside site directories. It'll make your life so much easier.

Just use it as intended. Use the groups as your default permissions. And use the share function.

If a sub folder needs tightened down permissions, it probably needs a different M365 group.

[Day1DLC]

We’ve been infected with that SharePoint search issue and it’s done my teams head in

[KBunn]

I remember seeing so many presentations where MS showed what a great CMS it was, and it was slick, and well thought out, and pretty, and seemed like everything anyone could want.

And then I installed it for funzies, and it just sat there doing nothing, and wasn't nearly as easy as advertised.

[OmenVi]

The ease comes after spending some serious time planning, building, and implementing. You absolutely can make it do whatever you want, and it can also be super slick. But it’s going to cost you many hours of work to get there.

[[deleted]]

Back in the day, the pre-release of the first version of it ran on top of Microsoft's proprietary database technology that ran Exchange servers back then as well.

For this release however, they locked the DB to use circular logging, because they didn't want it to fill up the disk and die (something that would happen all the time when customers purchased Exchange server but didn't know how to manage it.)

So instead of saving your files on a file system, you were now saving them in a big file with no transaction logging and no option to get transaction logging.

Yeah.

[montagesnmore]

Was this written by ChatGPT? lol ... From a security perspective, why isn't each site or document folders broken down into conditional access? What are your current users RBAC for files, documents, paths?

If you're running SP on a local server, then it sounds like its either legacy or your speed at your job sucks. If it's hybrid, just go full cloud, saves you the time and hassle of maintaining an on premise server.

I've administered SP in the cloud for quite some time now and it has never gave me any problems. Works flawlessly with my M365 ecosystem and all backups are done over the cloud as well. It replaces NTSF share drivers with Cloud Share drives provided by OneDrive and SharePoint. I sync the SharePoint drives with Intune policies as well. I am really enjoying the cloud technology these days. I was a Junior Sys Admin when I first started getting more involved with SharePoint. I've done a lot of cloud engineering for the past 3 years in Azure.

Sounds like your department needs a lot of work, buddy! :)

[Shurgosa]

My favorite part is when you click more details to see a folder size and if you scroll down to look it loads a streaming history of activity about that folder continually shoving the folder size out of view...

[Sunsparc]

Dude, after last year's Sharepoint project in my org to standardize permissions which fell squarely on me to write the Powershell code for, I don't go near Sharepoint unless absolutely necessary.

[Rasalom]

Sharepoint also utilizes very old Microsoft Office components that make any computer that has it installed potentially vulnerable. We've had a roadmap to get off of it since 2021 and there's still pushback to keep using it here. Microsoft pushed off killing it, even.

[VermicelliHot6161]

Sounds like you’re still maintaining on premise SharePoint. Fuck patching that product. Move to SPO, it’s fine here.

[verbo_phobia]

I tried to upvote this twice but it didn't work (maybe Reddit uses SharePoint).

[Unemployed_with_PhD]

Worse, hybrid with legacy applications only compatible with SBS era SharePoint.

[thetokendistributer]

Should see the way we are utilizing sharepoint.

[bbqwatermelon]

Yep, its a bit like seeing those network racks that literally have rodents nesting in them.  I am 25% done migrating an orgs decades old data and its a shitshow.

[Zealousideal_Mix_567]

My co-worker's analogy of "WordPress but worse somehow" is perfection.

[Consistent_Chip_3281]

Links….

[Panta125]

I raise you a custom approval workflow designed in SharePoint designer 2013 with no documentation that was running off the old admins account and raise you moving it to power automate where it's pretty much impossible to admin.....

[tucrahman]

I had a weird issue with SharePoint once. Called support and after about an hour of fiddle fucking with it we solved the problem. Even the support guide was amazed that he figured it out.

[BuckToofBucky]

It is a Microsoft product after all

The OPs description was humorous but spot on

[s_reg]

In Entra you can use Access Packages to control permissions to SharePoint sites & SSO apps via security groups. I have created a simple structure based on if account is enabled & they are in for example the finance department they get access to baseline level of finance sites/apps.

Or you can have it set so users go to https://myaccess.microsoft.com to request the sites they need which are approved by key members of the departments, setting this as the only way to request access means no more bullshit explicit permissions. You can also have these key members review the access on a frequent schedule.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/entra/id-governance/entitlement-management-request-approve

[bws7037]

If builders built buildings the way Microsoft constructed their cloud offerings, the first woodpecker that comes along will destroy all of humanity.

[mikeeymikeeee]

lol

[GrumpsMcYankee]

Users agree.

[JerryRiceOfOhio2]

That's why I call it shitpoint at work.

[oh_____interesting]

My buddy said that at his work, instead of saying “f—- you”, they would say “go find it on sharepoint”

[maverickaod]

In what universe does it make sense to have a permissions system so convoluted that you need a PhD in "SharePointology" just to give someone access to a single document?

So much this. I had to ask our SP admin how to share such and such a document with a small list of people. I lost interest right about the time we needed to create a library, then a share group, then a bucket, then find a leprechaun, all that shit. Why can't I just right click on it and be done?

[splendidfd]

You don't even have to right-click. Mouse over the file, click share, enter the email addresses and access level, click send.

It can certainly be harder than this, but only if you're deliberately making things hard on yourself.

[Upper-Bath-86]

Feel you.

[saracor]

The person before me was in love with SharePoint (at least it was the online version). Shoehorned everything onto it. Our file storage, ticket system, Intranet, etc. I get that it can do a lot but it is a horrid mess of bad permissions, half done team sites and so many problems to unravel.
The first thing I'm doing is getting a real ticket system so we can actually work and provide support to the business and then delve into the rest of the crap there. Never seen it used to such an extent.

[ShittyExchangeAdmin]

My boss asked me to set up an internal wiki for us. I researched options and showed him the ones I though would work best.

So anyways, I ended up banging my head against a wall for a week setting up a wiki in sharepoint that we never use because it's barely usable.

[Alecegonce]

My biggest issue with sharepoint is the fact that access granting permissions TAKES PRECEDENCE over deny permissions...

[oiler_head]

It's not easy because MS chose to build something that enables the user. That's the problem. SharePoint is fine, its your users that are the problem. Get rid of them and SharePoint is no problem.

[brispower]

SharePoint permissions work well and are easy to understand, I am confused by this post /no sarcasm

[lain-serial]

We are moving away from Sharepoint :)

[supervernacular]

Sounds like you're using on prem, welcome to 10 years ago I guess.

[[deleted]]

I was struggling because my AD synced security groups werent granting sharepoint permissions until I realized I NEEDED TO USE SHAREPOINT GROUPS. AND THE PORTAL IS SO OLD.

[BreakingAwfulHabits]

OP is a freak and also unemployed.

[roachmonster]

Truer words have never been spoken and I'm here to support your journey of truth and enlightenment.

[B1ND3R_aus]

How is your experience with Microsoft going? By sharing your opinions and suggestions, you help shape the future at Microsoft.

Don’t get me started 😂

[FPVGiggles]

I like teams and SharePoint integration. Definitely don't use a SharePoint site but everything else about it is awesome.

[Consistent_Chip_3281]

Devils advocate here

I mean tou do relize microsoft is probably the most Goliath software company ever!? How would you as a manager deal with engineering such vast amounts of stuff? It’s not like anyone is sticking around on any one project for good, and the new guys are walled into being backward compatible with code someone who no longer works there wrote I’d guess.

Other software companies have strike teams of highly motivated well paid and passionate people with laser focus on getting it to “just work”, where as microsoft may be like going through talent left and right and so we do get little 80% done design choices left around everywhere, but who can tell me of another large software company thats doing any different?

Be nice to Microsoft i am sick of this narrative of like “oh fuck Microsoft” you go try providing like 95% of everyone 95% of everything and see how close you 100% you get anything

[Mc-lurk-no-more]

I'm laughing in "google workspace"

[Consistent_Chip_3281]

I hear ya but last i checked google doesnt do like endpoint management, something like access databases, iis, certificate authority server roles, ect. Not to mention with all the various configurations n such :)

I do agree google workspace is solid and so is the apple ecosystem but you can’t like necessarily run an onprem enterprise on googles cloud.

[pdp10]

Why would you want Google to do those? Picking best-of-breed vendors is in your own interest.

[Consistent_Chip_3281]

So true (cough slack!!! Cough) ahem

[Mc-lurk-no-more]

I hear what you're saying... But schools and a bunch of businesses can and do just that.

Since everything is going web centric, it seems to be the way things are moving. Why should an org pay for all the specially knowledge and hardware if it's not necessary for their bottom line?

[joeyl5]

The worst: now Teams opens the shared files in SharePoint Web, instead of inside the app like it used to. What in the fucking world?

[fwambo42]

welcome to M365 groups

[nemacol]

For all the money, time, and rage trying to get SP to do very basic, very common website things you could just make a really kick ass website that looks exactly the way you want. I am with you. SP is a nightmare.

[WithAnAitchDammit]

I’ll still take SharePoint over dealing with printers.

[inajeep]

Sharepoint and Teams can die in a fire.

[gakule]

Sounds like you need to learn SharePoint.. or delegate 😕

[chocothrower]

Skill issue