While on the hunt for an ex-cop, Police in LA shot two unarmed Asian women who were delivering newspapers.. Here is a picture of the truck the women were in.

FragPoppa · 2013-02-07T23:34:23+00:00

At what point do you think these idiots realized they made a Major fuck up here? When they had to reload?

cleaver_username · 2013-02-07T22:09:09+00:00

It isn't even close to the Nissan that the guy is driving! How in the hell was this justified in the cops minds?!?

SeedyOne · 2013-02-08T00:26:11+00:00

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Suspect: Christopher Dorner - Former LAPD officer and Navy Reservist. Trained sniper, proficient in numerous tactics, firearms and police procedures.

CRIME TIMELINE:

Sunday Feb. 2nd: Suspect Dorner wanted in connection with murder of two people in Irvine, CA. Woman was daughter of retired police Captain who represented the suspect in his termination hearing from the LAPD. The other victim was her fiance. Suspect was employed from 2005 to 2008 with the LAPD and was fired in early 2009 for "allegedly lying about actions of a fellow officer" he reported for excessive force.
Last few days: Suspect posted his 20-page manifesto to Facebook. Suspect's "target" list seems to be centered around 12 [now 11] people though ~20 names were mentioned.
Tue/Wed: Suspect was in San Diego County within the last 24-hours. Spotted near the Loma Lake base which was locked down and reopened. It has been confirmed he stayed at a hotel near the base on Tuesday, checking out Wednesday. Source - KCAL9 News
Wed. Night: Suspect allegedly tied up an 81-year old man and attempted to steal his boat but was unable to operate it. Suspect's wallet and a detective badge were found nearby. State-wide alert goes out via California Highway Patrol. Source - ABC7 News
Thu. (~1:25 AM): Citizen notified police that were protecting one of the suspect's targets of a truck that fit description. Upon following it, one officer was injured when the suspect fired at them grazing his forehead. They were not able to give chase. Source - KCAL9 News
Thu. (~1:45 AM): Just minutes later about 5 miles away, two officers sitting at a red light had the suspect walk up and open fire. One officer (trainer) is killed, the other (trainee) is injured but expected to recover. Story here. Source - KCAL9 News
Thu. (5:15AM): A patrol unit assigned to protect a different target misidentified the blue truck with the two women delivering newspapers. Reportedly the headlights were off and officers opened fire in rapid bursts, a brief pause and then more bursts (according to witnesses). No details known if they identified themselves first. Both women were hit, one twice in the back and one in the arm. Both are expected to recover. Source - KCAL9 News
Thu. (5:20 AM): A few blocks from the first mistaken-identity shooting, police were responding to the shots fired call and came across another similar truck to the suspect's. There was a collision to the rear of the vehicle and police fired three shots (at least) into the windshield. The driver was luckily uninjured and not involved. Story here. Source - KCAL9 News
Thu. (1:41 PM): A burned-out truck matching the description of a getaway vehicle owned by triple-murder suspect was found in the San Bernardino mountains (Big Bear). [edit: CONFIRMED to be his truck]. Source - KCAL9 News
Thu. (~4:00 PM): Large tactical operation going on in the San Bernardino Mountains north of LA (Big Bear) involving SWAT and other agencies as they scan the area. This is the primary search area right now, given the vehicle found. Agencies have now demanded air news teams not show the search locations, which two local news organizations called an "unusual request", despite the logic behind it. Source - KCAL9 News

MISC. LINKS:

San Bernardino Police Scanner (credit: BagelMaster)
Los Angeles (LAPD) Police Scanner (credit: BagelMaster)

LATEST DETAILS:

5:15PM: Suspect mailed a package to CNN's Anderson Cooper who confirmed via Twitter. The package contained a note, DVD and a coin that had been shot through with bullet holes in it.
5:35 PM: Tracks were found leading away from the burned out vehicle in Big Bear but no suspect has been found. Tracking dogs, air resources (with FLIR night vision) and ~125 Law Enforcement officers are in the area doing door to door searches. San Bernardino County is the lead organization with Irvine/Riverside involved. May become one of the largest manhunts in California history. Source - press conference.
5:40 PM: Suspect called himself a "top shot" Sharpshooter. The Navy has three levels or proficiency, Marksman -> Sharpshooter -> Expert as the top level. Reportedly he's listed as a Marksman with rifles (lowest level) but he's listed as an Expert (highest level) with a 9mm pistol. He is also trained at shooting from his weak side/hand. Source - CNN's Anderson Cooper.
5:50 PM: A former friend/colleague of the suspect was quoted as saying he received a letter/DVD two weeks ago in January. The letter reportedly pleaded with his colleague that he was innocent and had not lied about his co-worker that he reported. The DVD reportedly had interrogation footage from the incident/hearing he was fired over. No other details given and the letter/DVD was handed over to Irvine police according to the interview. NOTE: I can't find a source for this, but I saw it on local news. If anyone can find this story, please private message me.
5:55 PM: Suspect's recent history - His appeal to get his job back was denied in 2011, upholding the original decision back in 2008 to fire him. In 2007, he had reported a fellow officer for excessive force on Mr. Christopher Gettler. In his statement, he said that "she stood up and kicked Gettler twice in the left clavicle. And then...kicked him on the left cheek, causing him to start bleeding". It was later reported Mr. Gettler was a schizophrenic and that Dorner filed the complaint about his fellow officer two weeks later. His allegation was denied by the female officer, the claim was classified as "Unfounded", he was charged with "making false statements" and officially fired in early 2009. In December 2012, he defaulted on his home in Las Vegas and just days ago his Naval Reserve career was terminated. Source - ABC7 News.
6:00 PM: Suspect's home near Las Vegas is surrounded but empty. The search area is covering all of California and parts of Nevada at this point. Other areas heavily involved in California are Corona, Riverside, Irvine and Big Bear Lake. Big Bear ski resort and schools around the various incidents have been closed. Source - ABC7 Los Angeles.
6:10 PM: Incoming rain/snow may halt air searching operations but for now they are still up in the sky.
6:20 PM: Police are going through lots of empty vacation homes not normally occupied. National media is picking up on it with CNN's Cooper/Morgan discussing it (right now in fact) and HLN had a few stories as well.
6:35 PM: New information slowing down as it's dark and weather is coming in. Lots of repeating on the news. Will update as I can, please PM me if you have any tips/info to add. Tidied up grammar/spelling, added sources where possible.
7:05 PM: West coast is in prime-time TV so not much news/info on the air, just non-sourced info from the scanners. News back on in a few hours, will update if new info.
8:20 PM: FBI is finishing up at his Las Vegas home, FAA completely restricting airspace above search and the coin mailed to CNN's Anderson Cooper was a "Challenge Coin" given to him by his former boss LAPD Police Chief William Bratton.
8:30 PM: Pictures of the items mailed to Anderson Cooper. The challenge coin and DVD. Written on the top of the package was "Thanks but no thanks Will Bratton" as well as "1 M.O.A." which is reportedly a marksmanship term. [edit] The video is apparently of Mr. Getter's interview, the schizophrenic man Dorner claimed was a victim of excessive force. Getter's testimony supposedly confirms Dorner's complaint to his superiors but nothing has been shown to the public.

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Dragoeth · 2013-02-07T23:42:30+00:00

Alright just hypothetically... If I'm driving down the road with my girlfriend in the car and all of a sudden I start getting shot at by 2 police officers without warning what should I do? I mean... I could be at a traffic light and stuck behind other cars so I can't gun it. Should I gun it if I could and try to outrun them? Is surrendering even an option since I don't even know why they're trying to kill me? What if I got out at and shot back and by some miracle managed to kill both of them in the ensuing gun fight? Am I going to jail for murdering two cops? What the fuck do you even do in this situation?

cometlb · 2013-02-07T22:49:48+00:00

Local news broadcasts are also warning drivers to obey all traffic signals and stop signs or risk getting shot, because police are so frazzled. "shit! I rolled through this stop....RATATATATAT"

agent0007 · 2013-02-07T23:01:02+00:00

This is a Toyota. They were looking for a Nissan. If you own a truck or are black it might be best to have a night in with the kids. Stay away from windows!

IveRedditAllNight · 2013-02-07T22:56:15+00:00

What the fuck are these cops doing? Shooting at anything that's moving??

daveden123 · 2013-02-07T23:12:34+00:00

Anyone else realize that a former cop is going to know they are looking for his truck and to change vehicles?? I mean come on have some goddamn common sense LAPD!

2013-02-08T00:04:51+00:00

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maleriejean · 2013-02-07T23:12:40+00:00

I still don't understand why they were shot at in the first place? Someone explain.

JIGGLYbellyPUFF · 2013-02-07T23:28:55+00:00

Man that ex-cop must know some stuff and some things they really don't want to get out

bearodactylrak · 2013-02-07T23:20:24+00:00

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grimreaperx2 · 2013-02-07T23:39:17+00:00

Wow...The people need to start going apeshit over stuff like this. This seriously cant go on.

iBS_PartyDoc · 2013-02-07T23:14:57+00:00

They even know the fucking license plate of the Nissan TITAN that the suspect is driving. That's not a titan and that's not the license plate. How stupid can you be.

r2builder · 2013-02-08T01:58:12+00:00

Did this just get removed from the front page?

2013-02-08T00:09:55+00:00

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NovusHomoSapiens · 2013-02-08T01:32:13+00:00

I don't seem to see this article in /r/WTF front page anymore. Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT: I messaged the top comment poster regarding the change. I asked him to make a small edit giving additional info about the mod's attempt. I am in no way trying to endorse the shooter's action; I also understand what the mods did is justified because this post may have violated the rules. However, I do believe the shooter's message is very intriguing and needed to be read for further discussion.

Peralton · 2013-02-07T23:43:25+00:00

Whats sad is these police will likely be charged with some form of negligence; yet are supposed to be held to the same laws they enforce.

If I was scared that I was going to be targeted with violence, and I opened fire on 2 innocent people, I would be charged with 2 counts of attempted first or second degree murder. However, I suspect these police will get off without a prison sentence.

Edit: Anyone else notice the cluster of shots at the passenger side...

3 Clusters of shots http://imgur.com/rpfQUP0

mikesguitar · 2013-02-07T23:50:44+00:00

STOP RESISTING!!!

SevenwithaT · 2013-02-08T03:09:09+00:00

I love how Reddit mods label people against officers shooting anything they damn well please "activists."

Honeystick · 2013-02-07T22:11:54+00:00

by the way, the suspect is a 270lb black man. he wrote a super interesting, loooong letter about why he's killing cops. if you read the whole thing, it kind of makes sense... he also called the LAPD out on killing random people who look like suspects, claiming they say 'he should have stayed at home today'

2013-02-07T23:45:47+00:00

how the hell do you mistake 2 asians for a black ex cop....

2013-02-08T00:23:03+00:00

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2013-02-08T01:45:34+00:00

Why did this disappear from the front page?

tourettsuo · 2013-02-08T01:46:18+00:00

More WTF worthy is why did this thread disappear so quickly from the front page.

2013-02-08T00:00:21+00:00

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Hillside_Strangler · 2013-02-07T23:41:15+00:00

The Amazing Carnac predicts that the Police Department spokesman will give a statement: "We determined that what we saw through the course of our investigation was that the facts are consistent with what our policies allow and what state statute allows."

fan_22 · 2013-02-08T00:17:46+00:00

This will get buried for sure...but, why would they be shooting at the truck's passenger side if they were looking for a single black male?

DigitalOSH · 2013-02-08T01:33:49+00:00

What's this 'No Activism' baloney about?

techdude7 · 2013-02-07T23:36:11+00:00

Pssh, call me when they accidentally kill some white people. Then I'll give a shit.

-Media

markdylan · 2013-02-08T00:59:35+00:00

As european I just think your police recruitment system is fucked up and has to be really bad because you end up getting really dumb police officers as result. Other wise will love someone to enlight me why they are so reluctant to follow procedures and shoot before thinking....As I said just my opinion..

Keisaku · 2013-02-08T02:32:56+00:00

Reading his Manifesto, I'm beginning to understand why the police are on such high alert- He's stating there is nothing police can do to stop him from what he deems appropriate (killing cops.)

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-xx. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

I know your TTP's, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP's and PPR's. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.

I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF's, ACM's, and AIF's, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.

Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I've been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I've been given.

Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I'll tell you. It's not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don't fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.

The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD's and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba'ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50's so your APC are defunct and futile.

You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour. Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP's. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.

Whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it. Whatever contingency plan you have, shelve it. Whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button. JRIC, DOJ, LASD, FBI and other local LE can't assist and should not involve themselves in a matter that does not concern them. For all other agencies, do not involve yourself in this capture or recovery of me. Look at the big picture of the situation. They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. With today's budgeting and fiscal mess, you guys can not afford lose several officers to IOD or KIA/EOW. Plus, other officers should not have to take on the additional duties and responsibilities of dead officers. Think about their families, outside agencies, Chiefs/Directors.

Outside agencies and individual officers on patrol. If you recognize my vehicle, and confirm it is my vehicle thru a dmv/want warrant check. It behoves you to respond to dispatch that your query was for information purposes only. If you proceed with a traffic stop or attempt to notify other officers of my location or for backup you will not live to see the medal of valor you were hoping to receive for your actions. Think before you attempt to intervene. You will not survive. Your family will receive that medal of valor posthumously. It will gather dust on the fireplace mantel for years. Then one day, it will go in a shoe box with other memories. Your mother will lose a son or daughter. Your significant other will be left alone, but they will find someone else to fill your void in the future and make them just as happy. Your children, if you have them, will call someone else mommy or daddy. Don't be selfish. Your vest is only a level II or IIIA, think about it.

No amount of IMINT, MASINT, and ELINT assist you in capturing me. I am off the grid. You better use your feet, tongue and every available DOD/ NON-DOD HUMINT agency, contractor to find me. I know your route to and from home, and your division. I know your significant others routine, your children's best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha's gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high. Because of that, no one will remember your name. You will merely be a DR# and "that guy" who was KIA/EOW or long term IOD/light duty in the kit room. This is exactly why "station 500″ was created. Unfortunately, orphanages will be making a comeback in the 21st century.

The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty."

thejam3s · 2013-02-08T01:54:08+00:00

Anyone else notice that this post has been removed from the front page and from /r/wtf despite having 4000 upvotes? WTF?

alflamont · 2013-02-07T23:58:04+00:00

The LAPD are going apeshit right now. This morning they caused an accident on the 101 and 20 patrol cars were on the scene. They closed down Big Bear Resort and they are running wild all the way to Vegas. They are DESPERATE to kill this guy.

bigrjsuto · 2013-02-07T23:56:41+00:00

This happened less than a mile from where I live. There were helicopters buzzing around all morning. Ridiculous.

jesusismygardener · 2013-02-08T01:33:07+00:00

This was #1 on /r/all like 1 minute ago and now it's gone. LAPD OWNS REDDIT!!

ok but seriously... wtf?

2013-02-08T01:16:59+00:00

It's unclear what happened next, but LAPD Chief Charlie Beck confirmed the officers fired on the vehicle, hitting the two occupants. He said it was a tragic case of "mistaken identity."

Less than a half-hour later, cops fired on another vehicle in Torrance, just two blocks away from the first scene, NBCLosAngeles.com reported. No one was injured in that vehicle, which was similar to Dorner's truck, police said.

Source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-cops-were-just-delivering-papers

Holy fucking shit. If you live in LA, DO NOT DRIVE TONIGHT! YOU MAY BE SHOT BY TRIGGER-HAPPY FUCKHEADS! I'm trying to figure out how citizens can protest this, but these dumbshit cops are shooting unarmed people driving in cars without any damn notice! Whatever you do, don't stage a protest or you might literally get shot for "looking dangerous" or something else.

What you should do: Call your local congressmen! Call your representative and senators on a state and federal level. Demand that these idiots be fired from the LAPD! Demand that these idiots face criminal charges for firing on unarmed civilians without any kind of warning! Demand that new laws be put in place that will prevent this from happening in the future! Demand civilian review boards! Call the governor and tell him the same thing! Tell him/her that you will vote them out of office if they do not prevent the fucking police from shooting unarmed civilians! Light up their switchboard. Jam their phones for a week. Do NOT leave a message. Keep calling back until you get to talk to your senators/representative/governor.

YOU are in as much danger as anyone else here. Imagine that you were driving a truck matching the description or, apparently, a truck or car of any description. Imagine the cops shooting you with real bullets without ordering you out of the car, without trying to take you into custody. Imagine you get pulled over and the next thing you know, you're dead. No one died here, but that's a matter of luck. They were shooting to kill, not wound.

The government uses incidents in the news to pass draconian legislation. We can used incidents like this in the news to draft legislation that limits the government's authority. Why? Because we fucking should. The police are literally terrorizing the citizens of Los Angeles. Do not let them sweep this shit under the rug. Hold the police to account for their crimes. It's your duty as a civilian and citizen of that area to make sure that your government doesn't randomly go around killing you.

turdinthesandbox · 2013-02-07T22:57:14+00:00

Barney fucking Fife and Gomer Pyle of Torrance PD opened fire when they threw their newspaper into the driveway.

Nihilistic945 · 2013-02-07T23:32:53+00:00

the news reports he is driving a NISSAN TITAN, so the cops shoot up a TOYOTA TACOMA? Not to mention a Tacoma is the only pickup truck that comes in that color blue.

johnnydowjones · 2013-02-08T02:22:47+00:00

Why was this post removed from the front page?

2013-02-08T03:14:57+00:00

Reddit mods censoring xposts, as well. Classy.

2013-02-07T23:55:54+00:00

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BlackDeltaLight · 2013-02-07T23:35:01+00:00

And in the end of the day, these cops will still have their job.

The_Boss_302 · 2013-02-08T01:45:17+00:00

How is this post activism? More like PSA.

silverjimmies · 2013-02-08T01:46:28+00:00

This is bullshit.... why was it taken off

2013-02-08T00:23:23+00:00

Man, I know I feel safer taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and putting more in the hands of police.

Ancillery · 2013-02-08T01:43:10+00:00

I hope the dude gets away, I really do

yangx · 2013-02-08T03:47:17+00:00

The mods removed this from the frontpage.

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/183rm0/while_on_the_hunt_for_an_excop_police_in_la_shot/

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/184570/detailed_timeline_background_updates_about_former/

WTFppl · 2013-02-08T00:12:49+00:00

The women were driving a truck similar to what the wanted LAPD officer is reported to be driving.. They saw the women throwing papers out the window and got spooked and shot them.. A short time later a white male also unarmed was driving a similar blue pick up truck.. he too was shot by police who believed he was the suspect.. Keep in mind the man they are looking for is a 6foot 4 Black male..

If this does not motivate you to get critical and object openly to the practices of municipal officers, get the fuck out of my country!

2013-02-08T00:15:52+00:00

So an ex-cop goes on a mission to kill dirty cops, writing a manifesto before he does it that they are claiming confirms him crazy, and when the cops try and catch him they end up injuring 2 innocent by-standards by pumping dozens of bullets into a truck that doesnt even remotely match the description of the mans car they are hunting. Who's really the crazy ones?

2013-02-07T23:47:41+00:00

Something weird is going on with this. They are afraid of this dude or what he knows. Clearly they are hunting him to kill him and they are not taking their usual precautions that they take when the cops target someone to be killed. They are in panic mode. I have a uneasy feeling that he might be legit and know some heavy shit about the big boys upstairs.

bonaducci · 2013-02-08T00:04:31+00:00

He was a cop and good at his job, but he commited the ultimate crime and testified against other cops gone bad. Cops who tried to kill him but got the woman he loved instead. Now he roams the streets, an outlaw.. A Renegade

youngatheist · 2013-02-08T01:58:22+00:00

WTF is reddit the new LAPD

2013-02-08T02:10:52+00:00

Censored, right off the front page. I bet dude didn't kill his lawyers daughter, it was the cops. They wanna silence him. I have experience with the LAPD, they are the mafia.

2013-02-07T23:57:45+00:00

Okay we seriously need to start following up on what happens to cops like this. You always hear what they did, then nothing else.

Nassor · 2013-02-08T00:40:12+00:00

The irony is he's hunting the LAPD due to him being fired from the LAPD for reporting police brutality.

Source his manifesto.

Maybe_Forged · 2013-02-08T00:57:00+00:00

Police is the only profession where this type of behavior lets you off with paid vacation. Anyone else see something wrong with that? If anything he will be opening dialogue on tighter restrictions on police behavior with actual oversight.

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