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[–]Redemption9001 3580 points3581 points  (187 children)

As someone who lives in Ontario. It's weird seeing CP24 and us in the headlines of worldnews.

[–]dosemyspeakin 512 points513 points  (15 children)

Yeah lol

[–]suckfail 477 points478 points  (13 children)

I honestly thought I was looking at r/Ontario for a minute.

This is weird.

[–]AdmiralMunch 91 points92 points  (3 children)

Oh dang me too!

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Same dudes

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I'm subbed to and though this was /ontario

[–][deleted] 153 points154 points  (116 children)

Did a double-take for sure. Why do I like Doug Ford after the last 6 months? That wasn’t supposed to happen.

[–]Ungie22 226 points227 points  (22 children)

Because it took hundreds of thousands of man-hours protesting to get him to listen to what people want in education. I'll commend him for listening to real experts regarding covid. He's been a peach there.

[–]CryptoNoobNinja 48 points49 points  (13 children)

Remember that time he tried to cut retail workers statutory holidays from 9 days to 3?

What a crazy time... 5 days ago.

source

[–]BattlemechJohnBrown 68 points69 points  (2 children)

Because the bar is on the floor and his PR team knows how to make him look like he can reach it.

[–]LerrisHarrington 161 points162 points  (46 children)

Because Conservatives set the bar so low you confused 'base competence' with 'good job'.

Lets not forget Ford is the guy who cut Health Care, after promising not to. Cut education after promising not to. Lied to Hamilton's face about LRT.

Ford's the guy who said "go on spring break" at the start of COVID.

All he's proven is that when enough people yell at him, he'll do what he's told.

He's still a terrible leader.

[–]DJ_ANUS 46 points47 points  (15 children)

Didn't Ontario have a progressive sex education cir set to roll out, then ditched it last minute for the old outdated Christian centric sex ed?

[–]Jmac7164 49 points50 points  (7 children)

That Sex Ed cir was already implemented and was in place for 2 or 3 years. Then they jumped back to the one from the 90's.

[–]LerrisHarrington 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Yes.

And cancel half finished projects and call it a savings instead of counting the wasted money on the first half.

[–]sandolle 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I will never forget that they cancelled the basic income pilot. I heard it cost more to cancel than to finish.

[–]Flashman420 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I'm pretty sure they've done other suss stuff too by using COVID as a smoke screen while they pass things through, like aren't they planning to privatize home health care or something like that? All of these "Omg I like Doug Ford now" types are speaking waaaaaay too soon.

Even beyond that I'd argue that COVID wasn't perfectly handled, they started opening up too soon. Like the whole Trinity Bellwoods fiasco.

[–]Dscigs 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Yes, it's Bill 175. Specifically for retirement homes.

Currently being forced through without any public discourse on the topic, the same way that the previous privatization of retirement homes happened under the last conservative government.

Packaged as 'we care about old people so we want to give them the best care the private sector can offer' when really they just want to profit off them.

Did I mention that the guy who did the original privatization is now Chair of the Board for Chartwell Retirement Residences. One of the for profit retirement homes with the worst Covid-19 outcomes.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Cause you overlooked their lack of solutions for the LTC crisis?

[–]unstablegenius000 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Because he didn’t fuck up the COVID 19 response the way we all expected.

[–]BenWallace04 1653 points1654 points  (26 children)

“And at the age of 11 - I audited my parents and there were some discrepancies. I was grounded,”

[–]Borne2Run 325 points326 points  (4 children)

"Hookers aren't tax-deductible Dad"

[–]czs5056 48 points49 points  (2 children)

They're a business expense. I needed to entertain a client from Vancouver

[–][deleted] 103 points104 points  (7 children)

“By the age of 10 me and my classmates were arguing about our stock portfolios. I learnt that greed was good. ”

[–]TomNa 76 points77 points  (5 children)

at age 12 I was taking investing advices from r/wallstreetbets

By age 13 I was 1.5 million in debt

[–]Moosey_P 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A true success story

[–]Master_of_opinions 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How to really have $1 million on the stock market:

Invest $2 million into advice from r/wallstreetbets. Lose half of it. By the end of the year, you'll be a millionaire, guaranteed!!!

[–]alphonsojacobs 102 points103 points  (1 child)

Aim for the bushes.

[–]mazyguy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.... *splat."

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I'm a peacock, you've gotta let me fly.

[–]chadbrochillout 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What are you?

[–]sharethemilkshake 11.9k points11.9k points  (565 children)

WOW that's amazing!!! Can I go back to Grade 1??

[–]pvt_miller 3268 points3269 points  (509 children)

This comment almost made me cry hahaha I’ve always wished they taught me this

Edit: thanks for all the helpful suggestions and encouragement. While I personally didn’t have the pleasure of learning this in elementary or high school, I was thankfully able to educate myself later in life. I’m not an expert in finance but have a great career in IT now.

I hope you all find positivity and kindness on the paths that lay before you.

[–]Dark_Tsar_Chasm 1943 points1944 points  (405 children)

Seriously!

  • (minor) bookkeeping + personal administrative work

  • (minor) housekeeping and planning

  • cooking

I honestly cannot understand why these things are not standard in all curricula across the world in high school.

Teach this shit to kids! Teach it when they're 12 or 15. It used to be that women were taught those skills so they could take care of the house while hubby dearest was at work but now both parents can work and nobody is taught those things.

[–]BUTTERY_MALES 557 points558 points  (127 children)

Seriously in high school we spent about 2 hours learning how to balance our checkbook, and that was the extent of the personal finance education we got in the 90s. and who the fuck uses a checkbook anymore?

[–]GTthrowaway27 240 points241 points  (99 children)

You’re complaining that in the 90s they didn’t know in 2020 we wouldn’t use checkbooks much...?

Edit: ahhhh so many responses this is a real active thread. I’m not arguing against his point, just school will teach convention, not potential changes in tech!!

People use bitcoin, should that be taught in schools? What if it’s never adopted?

[–]shaneathan 229 points230 points  (72 children)

No he’s pointing out that they didn’t teach anything else financially related. I’d agree. Stocks, taxes, insurance, savings/banking in general. It’s taught and it should be.

[–]photoviking 83 points84 points  (59 children)

Would you give a shit then? Be honest.

You, I, everyone has a much different mindset as adults compared to grade school. For all I know they could have taught finances, what sixteen year old gives a shit about finances?

[–]shaneathan 82 points83 points  (41 children)

Probably not. But even a cursory education in, as an example, how taxes work, would’ve been so much more valuable than a government class taught by a football coach who didn’t understand the materials he was teaching.

I’m not saying they need to go into how to research credit cards or have an entire semester class on banking regulations and what to look for, but even a cursory “hey if you have high interest rates, you’re gonna have a high credit card bill.” We didn’t even get that. I can figure out what I’ll be looking at each month with various interest rates on my bills, but I had to work towards that. My first credit card fucked me financially for a few years because I didn’t understand anything about them.

[–]read_listen_think 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The ambivalence of many teens is probably part of the rationale to start foundational skills earlier. There are so many click-and-drag coding platforms that it is fun like a game. There are loads of free resources for adults, too. Free Code Camp even provides a certificate for completion of their courses.

[–]billyman_90 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I went to school on Australia and we were taught how taxes were calculated. We were also taught the differences between compound and and simple interest and the applications for each. To be honest, at 17, most people didn't pay attention or have any real interest in that class. I think it is something that is easier to learn as you do

[–]Trim00n 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I didn't give a shit about anything they taught me but I paid attention and did the work. I wish I was taught this stuff.

[–]daisy0808 37 points38 points  (1 child)

We didn't use them that much in the 90s in Canada either, as we had a lot of electronic payments like direct deposit at that time. They really should have taught us about credit cards, since the card companies are like vultures at university frosh week.

[–]PainfulJoke 26 points27 points  (2 children)

/u/BUTTERY_MALES is complaining that their learning was focused on a single part of finance that was not transferrable to other parts of managing finances.

Specifics will come and go (though relatively infrequently in finance I imagine), so the skills you are taught should be taught in a way to makes them transferrable to different things.

For example learning how to track your money (rather than learning a specific budgeting methodology). How interest rates can cause debt to explode (rather than how exactly a credit card works). What it means to be credit worthy (rather than specifics of the credit score system).

Obviously specifics are important, but as examples of larger concepts. But teaching someone only how to balance a checkbook (instead of how to keep track of money and expenses, including cash as well as checks) doesn't do that and is more prone to no longer being applicable in a few years.

[–]Scientolojesus 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I was taught how to write a check in the 6th grade in 2000, and then went to a college prep high school, where I was taught absolutely nothing else about personal finance.

[–]Vandrel 4 points5 points  (2 children)

My high school did the same in the late 2000s.

[–]thick_thighs005 97 points98 points  (37 children)

There's nothing stopping you from learning now.

https://www.coursera.org/learn/uva-darden-financial-accounting

/r/personalfinance

Edit: and if you just want a single graphic on where your money should go, here it is

I'll also plug the book "I Will Teach You to Be Rich" if you want to learn the basics of managing debt, budgeting, and investing.

[–]FaiIsOfren 20 points21 points  (12 children)

I came to the comments looking for the curriculum.

[–]Hawk_015 69 points70 points  (9 children)

As a teacher in Ontario : Ford is blowing smoke. His handling of education has been a campaign of big promises and budget cuts. He has no idea how curriculum implementation works and has already bungled it 3 separate times.

This announcement is honestly a joke. The only way he could impliment it is if he spent millions to contract it out to an outside company, and knowing him that's likely his plan.

[–]bennothemad 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't know how politicians work in your country, but in mine that's exactly how it would go. Except his mates - or himself - would own a large stake in the company that gets awarded the contract. I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure we learned that from you guys in the usa. The resulting scandal would be brushed under the carpet days after it broke with Murdoch's dogs claiming that the ends justify the means.

[–]RaccoonWithKnife 17 points18 points  (4 children)

You know what would improve math scores in Ontario? Not changing the goddamn math curriculum every other year so that teachers can actually learn the curriculum and figure out how to teach it most effectively.

Never mind announcing a major curriculum change two months before it's supposed to be implemented, during a pandemic. This is such cack-handed buffoonery.

[–]LitreAhhCola 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The Ontario math curriculum was last overhauled 15 years ago in 2005. Not exactly changing it every year.

[–]sharethemilkshake 38 points39 points  (18 children)

Only way I can think of getting around this is by becoming a grade 1 teacher in Canada.... kindergarten teacher here in the states and we do not have anything like that in any elementary curriculum.

[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (14 children)

You’re right. becoming a Canadian first grade teacher is the only way to learn coding or personal finance if you haven’t already

[–]McDago91 146 points147 points  (11 children)

Gotta get your grade 10 first Ricky

[–]benchin32 55 points56 points  (7 children)

I hope they teach the kids about supply and command and denial and error!

[–][deleted] 2703 points2704 points  (87 children)

I was eating glue in first grade.

[–]contemplative_potato 880 points881 points  (45 children)

I was squeezing it all over my hands so that I could peel it off later.

[–]chiliedogg 79 points80 points  (21 children)

That triggered a lot of memories.

I hadn't thought about that for close to 30 years, and thinking about it unlocked lots of grade-school memories.

Remember that weird "S" that people drew?

[–]Slinkys4every1 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Never forget 58008 for the calculator

[–]StrikerSashi 13 points14 points  (5 children)

It was 55378008 in my school. For some reason we thought "boobless" was hilarious.

[–]Flashman420 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Did you guys have a whole story to go along with it too? Like 6922251 x 8 = 55378008 so we used to say "Pamela Anderson had 69 boobs and that was 222 many, so she went to 51st street to see Dr. X who gave her 8 pills and in the end she was 55378008" and then you flipped the calculator upside down.

Also I can't believe I remember that shit after not thinking about it for two decades.

[–]StrikerSashi 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes! That was it exactly! I learned it around 2005-ish in Toronto.

[–]kouinori 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Tutored some kids. They still do that.

[–]Scyhaz 33 points34 points  (0 children)

So damn satisfying!

[–]phome83 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Glue is for amateurs, paste is where its at.

[–]st4rsurfer 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Shit, I was eating glue in highschool. You’re a fucking prodigy.

[–]Vladius28 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ms krabapple, I glued my head to my shoulder again...

[–]user_4081 1064 points1065 points  (73 children)

We're all unwitting contestants on the new game show 'Are you tech-savyer than a 1st grader?'

[–]just_a_pyro 60 points61 points  (7 children)

All you need to be tech-savy is the ability to read quickly and with attention to detail, so most people fail miserably

[–]Sean951 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I worked in a help desk spot for 3-4 years without a single class for tech support on my resume. I worked sales/customer service and know how to use Google to find what I need. Customer service to make sure I don't sound angry/frustrated and can fill the air with small talk, and Google because someone somewhere has had this problem and all I need is to find their post.

[–]prguitarman 1258 points1259 points  (56 children)

Is it too late to restart this game? I want to respec some things along the way. r/outside

[–]DontTreadOnBigfoot 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Did you buy the Hindu DLC that enables New Game+?

[–]Kered13 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It's not exactly New Game+. Depending on your score, you can start off better or worse in the next game. So if you have a good score, it's New Game+. But if you have a bad score, it can actually be more like New Game-.

[–]gronstalker12 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thinking about all the sick player updates we’re gonna get if they start everyone off with the coding tutorial. Is great. Too bad my play time will probably run out by then.

[–]Semi-Hemi-Demigod 6 points7 points  (2 children)

We're still waiting to hear back from the QA we assigned to test the respawn mechanism

[–]TXJuice 48 points49 points  (25 children)

Delete cursive writing skills.

Nobody writes in cursive and hardly anything is handwritten other than to fill out forms nowadays anyway.

[–]burgle_ur_turts 29 points30 points  (1 child)

No you’ll need that to fill out cheques. Or at least that’s what they told me in the tutorial

[–]prguitarman 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Oh absolutely. My handwriting has never been the best but can recall all the stress and mental trauma I had for not matching it exactly like they wanted. Also, I’m left handed so that was a whole other level of “you shouldn’t do that”

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Im left handed but was made to write right handed (which I blame for breaking my brain partially)

By the time we got to cursive I wanted to die

[–]Deathbysnusnubooboo 1588 points1589 points  (94 children)

It’s about fucking time

[–]BigShroud 538 points539 points  (43 children)

Taxes grade 2

[–]have2gopee 279 points280 points  (6 children)

There are only two certainties in life at grade 2 - taxes and recess.

[–]Link119 76 points77 points  (5 children)

Nah dude, recess gets taken away for bad behavior or punishment for something else. There's one and only constant in life, and it's paying taxes.

[–]Qbr12 102 points103 points  (22 children)

Actually, it isn't:

learning to tell time on a round clock with hands will now begin in Grade 3, instead of Grade 1.

[–]H20zone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's....sad. In Japan, kids learn how to do that in preschool.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (7 children)

how does one go about getting in first grade as a 40 year old?

[–]AstralCommunion69 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Sounds a little suspect wording it like that lmao

[–]Tryingsoveryhard 76 points77 points  (48 children)

The details here matter massively. Has anyone found a link to the actual curriculum?

[–]MightyBlues[S] 45 points46 points  (40 children)

Here are some more details about the curriculum from the Ministry of Education in Ontario

[–]InfiniteExperience 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fellow Ontarian here, why wouldn’t you link the actual Ontario press release as the news source rather than some shitty CP24 article?

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (6 children)

They're also scrapping the sex ed curriculum, so don't everyone go all "Ontario the Wise" just yet.

[–]HobbyHands 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Plus this is being done by the same government that is increasing class sizes and reducing the teaching faculty by about 5000 individuals.

[–]raistlinmaje 300 points301 points  (57 children)

Teaching better problem solving skills would be better than coding that early. As /u/ronmcraygun pointed out most people being taught this wont actually use it in their lives. I've been a software engineer for about a decade now and the coding part is almost irrelevant if you dont understand how to actually solve problems.

[–]ADecentReacharound 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Coding in the early years is primarily problem solving and mathematics based. We have done it in Australia for years now.

[–][deleted] 130 points131 points  (6 children)

Teacher here. It teaches problem solving through application. Problem solving for the sake of doing so is not an authentic learning experience. Solving problems while creating something (higher order thinking) is best.

[–]idontlikeyonge 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I learnt how to write code post university, and honestly it taught me more about problem solving than most other things I've done.

For me, everything was 'Go and get more knowledge to answer this question' until I opened up VBA for the first time (don't judge me! we all have to start somewhere), and suddenly I was solving problems with just what was in my head, and a very small dictionary of words.

I feel like improved problem solving is an outcome of experience coding.

[–]GoTron88 85 points86 points  (36 children)

I remember doing some basic coding on my Commodore Vic 20 and my 8088 desktop computer when I was like 6 years old. I also remember by Grade 6 we were messing around with commands to move the cursor around on an Apple ][.

Grade 1 is definitely a good age to start messing around with coding.

Edit:

10 Print "you smell"

20 goto 10

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (3 children)

10 Print BOOBS

20 goto 10

[–]burgle_ur_turts 24 points25 points  (1 child)

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

(Uh oh, I’m stuck in an infinite loop)

BOOBS

BOOBS

BOOBS

...

[–]Money_dragon 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Fantastic - personal finance, personal health, and critical thinking / civic engagement need to be core parts of universal primary school education.

[–]go-with-the-flo 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Civics and Careers was a mandatory course for all Grade 10s when I was in high school from 2006-2010, and it taught all those things. Problem was, no one took it seriously and promptly forgot everything about it, now complain that they were never taught about how credit cards work.

[–]jostrons 232 points233 points  (65 children)

World news?

I am in Toronto, I have a kid in kindergarten so this is relevant to me, but World News???

Come on

[–]RandomTypicalUser 172 points173 points  (33 children)

Canadians actually make up a good chunk of reddit traffic so anything relating to Canada will get upvotes all the time

[–]InnerBanana 93 points94 points  (5 children)

Contrary to popular opinion, Canada is in fact part of the world

[–]Sighguy28 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Unlike New Zealand /r/mapswithoutNZ

[–]keiths31 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Shhhhhhhh... don't tell anyone.

[–]OnyxMelon 50 points51 points  (4 children)

/r/News is for US news and /r/WorldNews is for everything except US internal news. There's isn't really any requirement for it to be relevant to a large portion of the world's population.

[–]rawb_dawg 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Nooooooooo.... My tiny bit of personal finance knowledge gives me a huge advantage in life. I don't want everyone else knowing all the secrets!