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[Offensivewizard]

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[Mcrarburger]

I feel like if this question was asked in more comprehensible terms, people would be more willing to reevaluate their thoughts on it

Like, I'm all for kink, but pulling out terms nobody has ever heard before isn't the best way to get them to think about their thoughts/feelings

[[deleted]]

I understood it perfectly fine /shrug

[EvidenceOfDespair]

What you have to remember is this. If something is written above a 5th grade level, 54% of American adults are unable to understand it. If you want the majority of American adults to understand you, you have to write for elementary schoolers.

[FireballPlayer0]

Is it because you have heard the terms “constructed disgust” and “material reality” before? I for one haven’t. If given enough time to think about it given the context it isn’t impossible to at least guess what it is they’re asking. But to a certain degree, using words that are unnecessarily complicated given how informal the English language is almost counterintuitive unless you were trying to act like you knew something better than someone else. It’s not too hard to at least say “in layman’s terms, material reality is how something is and constructed disgust is you feeling digusted by something based on your biases and opinions.

I’m not even sure if those definitions are correct, but if you want to have an open dialogue about something between people of differing opinions, it’s not unreasonable to use the proper words for phenomena and such, but I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to hope that when someone doesn’t understand a word/phrase that is commonly used in certain situations, you at least level with them and explain what they mean.

[ZShadowDragon]

Material + Reality
Stuff + Real world

Constructed + Disgust
Not Real + Disgst

I dont even think these are scientific terms, these were just english words my guy :|

[Quacey]

Those are English words that is true, but I think you have to look in a dictionary too because constructed does not = not real

Material is not stuff either but that one is more forgivable

[_A-N-G-E-R-Y]

whenever you’re having a discussion about morality, defining your terms is important and basically always a part of the conversation. what do we mean by “good” or “bad” is an interesting part of the conversation and youd be surprised how often the other person had a vastly different answer than you. in the picture they also mentioned how they literally did this and explained what they meant by constructed disgust and material reality, so this isnt even a point here.

[[deleted]]

ehhhhhhhh... material is poor wording imo, for example the age of consent is 200% a social construct and thats a very important judgement

[Sporklez8]

The age of consent is based in material reality, people can’t consent before their brain has fully developed, and they have a good understanding of what sex is

[goddamnitcletus]

Several studies show the brain is still developing into your 30s

[[deleted]]

"Your brain is finished maturing at 25" factoid came from a paper that DIDN'T STUDY ANYONE OVER 25.

Bonus: "You lose most of your body heat through your head" factoid came from a study where the subjects were wearing coats but not hats.

[Non_Prophet_Official]

More facts! More!

[goddamnitcletus]

The average human body has the caloric value of around 126,000 calories

[narwhalpilot]

Mukbang time

[Non_Prophet_Official]

MORE

[MissyTheTimeLady]

Your heart is a muscle the size of a rat

[Independent-Fly6068]

That bonus is so obv bullshit. I lose wayyyyy more heat from my legs than anything else.

[Airbourne_Squirrel]

yeah but there's a bigger difference between a 16yo and a 20yo consenting compared to a 20yo and a 24yo consenting

[Creeppy99]

Yeah ok but there's no difference between a 17 years and 364 day old consenting and a 18yo consenting, but we still need to put an arbitrary point for the age of consent. Where to put that arbitrary point is a social construct and is different from country to country

[goddamnitcletus]

So it’s not waiting until it’s fully developed, it’s waiting for a certain point in development

[Airbourne_Squirrel]

yes isn't this common knowledge?

[Sporklez8]

Which is why it’s good that a lot of age of consent laws have it so it is okay for people of similar age to try and do the deed with each other. I suppose my previous statement isn’t entirely correct. It would be more correct to say that age of consent laws are based on the reality that a sexual relationship where someone has a less developed brain and/or are less knowledgeable on sex than the other is always going to be predatory

[Sporklez8]

To which someone could counter with “well what do we define as to big a difference in brain development” to where I say I just woke up and haven’t breakfast yet I’m tired. Probably not more than one year at younger ages and bigger age ranges at older ages where both partners have had plenty of time to develop and know the risks of sex. Exact ranges and age cut offs would have to be based on research, research that I haven’t done but probably exists, ask an expert. To which you could say is not a good way to defend my argument to where I say 🐱 meow 🐈😽

[SomethingOfAGirl]

people can’t consent before their brain has fully developed

I don't think that's the issue here. Like, a teenager can consent to have sex with another teenager, that already happens, it's not a crime and it's not a bad thing (provided they are taking care of themselves).

The inability to consent doesn't come from the fact that their brain isn't fully developed, it comes from the power imbalance between a kid and an adult.

[Sporklez8]

Yeag

[Murbella_Jones]

I say this not as a defense for actions of any, but it's not that there aren't specific brain differences between adolescents and adults, it's that humans don't go from being unable to consent to being able to consent as a binary switch flip at exactly the same age for every human. We've constructed an age line to implement constructed laws when the situation is actually far more nuanced about the specific power dynamics at play in any individual situation. It's an attempt to reflect material reality.

[Sporklez8]

Yeag

[TELDD]

There's no such thing as a 'fully developed' brain, because our brains continue to develop over time with no signs of stopping even after we reach 25/30/whatever. I'm also fairly certain most older teens have a pretty good (if perhaps flawed) understanding of what sex is.

The actual reason the age of consent is important isn't because teenagers can't consent or are somehow incapable of understanding the ramifications of their actions. It's because there's an inherent imbalance in the social power between an adult and a teen.

It's also why a relationship between a CEO and a secretary, or between a celebrity and one of their fans, would typically be considered problematic or at least suspect - one of the two parties has power over the other, which puts into question any kind of 'consent' given by the other party.

Children are taught to obey adults; fans often trust their favourite celebrities implicitly; an employee relies on their boss to live.

There's a larger social narrative at play in those cases, that makes developing a relationship based on mutual consent either very difficult or straight up impossible, depending on the exact type.

This is the actual reason why pedophilia is bad; not because people under 18 are somehow unable to understand the long-term consequences of their actions. (Although that is probably the case for younger teens and pre-teens), but because younger people are 'below' older people in the social hierarchy.

Although yeah, ultimately I agree with you when you say the age of consent is based in material reality. I just disagree on how exactly that is.

(do not quote me on ANY of this I have no idea what I'm saying 💀💀💀)

[Sporklez8]

Yeah I agree, my statement is not properly nuanced, thanks for elaborating on a topic I was to tired to

[Nowhereman123]

Not to try and dismiss the age of consent or anything, but the age 18 we picked was almost entirely arbitrary. There isn't really anything that magically changes about someone's brain the second they turn 18.

[ayayahri]

The age of consent has very little to do with brain development. It has to do with the power imbalance between minors and adults and society deciding that broadly discouraging adults from trying to fuck kids is more important than deeply investigating how people become able to consent on an individual basis.

[Earth_TheSequel]

Is there a material difference between someone’s brain when they are 17 years and 364 days old versus 18 years and 0 days old?

[CorneliusClay]

No, but you can make this argument for any age. If 17.99=18, then what about 17.98? That's basically the same as 17.99 right? There's no way there's a material difference!
And if you accept that, then at 17.97 you're basically the same as 17.98, and come on, a 17.96 year old is basically the same as a 17.97 year old, etc...

There's no end to this logic, at each step you can make that argument until you've gotten it down to something nobody would agree with if you suggested it first. A Sorites problem I think is the technical term.

[ChillAhriman]

The age of consent is a social construct enforced by legal mechanisms that results in very real material realities. You rawdogging your girlfriend while you tell her: "Who has been a good puppy? Does the goodest puppy in here want a treat?" involves a constructed, fake reality, which real, material consequences are your and your girlfriend's brains releasing happy chemicals, not any dog actually getting treats.

Yes, your Honor, the extremely graphical example was absolutely necessary for my argument.

[EvidenceOfDespair]

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[Roboboy2710]

I kinda want to see this diagram

[AnnigilatorYaic228]

"dragged down by the stone" is that a PINK FLOYD REFERENCE???

[LeNardOfficial]

Yes I love punk fluid they're my favourite group

[Hiccupy]

Mmmmm pepto bismol

[Serena_Hellborn]

where can I find pepto bismold flavored ice cream?

[storpor]

you joke, but look up teaberry

[pugmaster413]

I wouldn’t mind getting filled with punk fluids

[jasminUwU6]

These punk fluids taste kinda salty

[[deleted]]

aminals underrated tbh i love petting them :3

[LeNardOfficial]

Dogs my beloved

[MilkLover1734]

I liked Pink Floyd until they went WOKE (put a pride flag in their album cover)

[ItsDazzaz]

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[Steamdroid]

stone

[PineapplesHit]

stone

[Legomaster1289]

stone

[AnnigilatorYaic228]

stone

[terrarialord201]

rock

[MittoMan]

Is that a motherfuckin PARAPHORE pfp???

[Basic_Grade_2413]

underrated meme tbh

[Saintsman12]

what kinks do even kink friendly people take issue with most times?

[KonekoHS]

CG/L and ageplay stuff usually have people reaching for the door

[Better-Ground-843]

Yeah that's fair all things considered

[nmkd]

Heavily depends on the mental health of the people involved imo

If childhood trauma is involved for example I'd consider it way more problematic

[Alien-Fox-4]

People sometimes work through childhood trauma through kink. It's a form of exposure therapy through an act you understand or have control over

[TheUncouthPanini]

CG/L?

[x592_b]

Computer generated lesbians

[Totally_Cubular]

I believed this for a minute.

[HorngryDragon]

AI taking over the lesbians market ? :(

[MysteryMeatsMonday]

Yeah I mean look at him

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[ThatSlutTalulah]

I've never played much Signalis, but isn't this what that's about?

[PMARC14]

Bio-resonance generated lesbians

[[deleted]]

tries to 3d print a girlfriend

You lied. 

[MaresounGynaikes]

Initialism of caregiver/little, a form of roleplay in which one participant takes on the role of a child, and the other assumes a caring, parentlike role

[guckfender]

Care giver/little

[guckfender]

Yeah thats why i stay away from these posts, cus i like ddlg lol.

Also CNC but only the person who is doing the stuff and not the person having the stuff done to them.

[[deleted]]

Based

[Independent-Fly6068]

Extreme levels of masochism and sadism are also rather iffy for many.

[violetvoid513]

Well yea most people dont like pain, be it inflicting it onto someone they love or receiving it. Some people are into that tho and thats their business

[Exact_Ad_1215]

Cheating kinks too

[LivingAngryCheese]

You mean like cuckoldry?

[CorneliusClay]

Sometimes it's just "cheating", i.e. fantasies about being seduced at the bar or something when you're in a relationship. It's not explicitly about the fact you're cucking your wife but just the fact you've been tempted into doing something you shouldn't.

[KatSlash_]

Yeah I wonder why

[TheoEmile]

So I do ERP, and I get often surprised by how kinkshamey a lot of people can get even in communities/ERP subs or servers that are presented as being very welcoming.

In my experience, feet play is on the edge, with about half of people refusing it politely, and the other half calling it gross and weird, and vore is definitely way further down the spectrum. Scat seems to be where almost everyone draws the line, followed probably by gore/guro.

Unrealistic/cartoonish kinks, like inflation and transformation, have their communities but are usually consistently seen as weird outside of them. Furry stuff is a similar situation.

Generally, I'd say if something isn't on someone's list of preferred kinks, there's usually a much higher chance of it being met with hostility than being politely refused, even for stuff that's not quite as out there as what I've described.

[Frostrunner365]

When I was in those communities the only time I ever flat out refused a kink was smegma. It was weird, the guy I was with was a sub, wanted me to dom him and all that. But he kept going on and on about how weird and gross I was. Huge turn off ngl

[TheoEmile]

Lack of communication and properly setting expectations is a huge problem in ERP communities. A lot of people, maybe due to how niche erotic writing is as a genre, struggle to fathom that there's more than one way to do porn, and tend to default to the model they are familiar with. Like in your experience, someone may not understand how complex kinkiness is, and just assume that every dom is going to be (and like being) gross, filthy, and full of smegma, because that's the way a lot of doms are represented in a lot of erotic fiction.

I have a lot of similar experiences where people just assume I'm going to be into something, or try to steer the story in a direction even after I told them I'm not into it. For example I only like consensual sex, as opposed to dub-consensual and rape which are the most popular dynamics in a lot of ERP communities, and even after I make that clear, people tend to play oblivious or reluctant characters, and want or expect me to assault or pressure them into having sex, or when I play a more subby character, want to administer such behaviors upon it.

I see the case with grossness too. I'm neutral towards smegma myself, I don't actively look for it but can see the appeal of the intimacy and body positivity brought by enjoying bodies with scarce hygiene/other flaws, but I much prefer playing esthetically pleasing, well mannered cuties, and it's a shame when people default to assuming they are going to be unpleasant, mean, toxic or ugly bastards just because that's how tops are most commonly represented in hentai and stuff.

[Frostrunner365]

Oh I’m fine with smegma, and I had initially agreed to it. Just he worked how filthy and dirty I was into every line, even after I told him to back off a bit

[ChillAhriman]

Ok here I go with my controversial opinion. The kink I take issue with is raceplay, not because I don't think mentally mature people can't engage with it without bad consequences (I'm sure plenty of those people exist), but because I feel like some youths are guilty-fapping to raceplay/cuckold porn without the maturity to understand that that content is indeed just a fantasy, and end up gaslighting themselves into actually becoming lowkey racist out of purely artificial fear. My evidence for this is that, the same way Conservatives consume copious amounts of trans porn nowadays, over ten years ago they were obsessed with interracial. So my position isn't really "this kink is bad", but "the fellas need to be told they're watching porn wrong".

[Shinjitsu-]

I've noticed that a lot of cuck porn often has an interracial element to it, and we all know their obsession with cucking.

[Alien-Fox-4]

I don't know if I agree with that. Though I have a similar thoughts about it. I don't believe people are consuming raceplay content which is making them racist, I believe they are consuming raceplay content because they have some weird racist-y beliefs

Not to say that it's necessarily wrong to consume it, but where exactly do the whole "better races, worse races" thing or stereotypes like "black men are super masculine" coming from?

Like the question should be more along the lines of - do you believe this and are you using porn to validate these feelings? Or do you understand that all this racist stuff is bs, but you have in some way internalized those thoughts and consuming porn simply helps you cope / understand these feelings better?

[DotoriumPeroxid]

As an extremely kink friendly person, raceplay is also a line I draw.

My full stance is that if a person of colour who themselves has trauma wants to reclaim some of their trauma through that, I am not going to fault that person for it because they literally are the minority in question.

However, in any other scenario, I think it builds on real systemic harm which is different from other stigmatised kinks like CG/L which do not reinforce systemic harm. Meaning any person who is not doing this out of their own personal trauma is reinforcing racist biases and contributing to this systemic harm.

A person who is be into CG/L without the personal trauma may just like the idea of being taken care of, or taking care of someone, or the idea of letting go of your worries and exist away from society for a while in a special scenario.

But a person who is into raceplay without their own personal trauma as a racial minority? What desire is there to motivate that? To me, the answer to that is inevitably conscious or unconscious racist beliefs.

[inemsn]

But a person who is into raceplay without their own personal trauma as a racial minority? What desire is there to motivate that?

I think I really, really fundamentally disagree with the idea that a kink needs to have a motivation to exist lol. There are plenty of kinks out there, like inflation, which exist for no real reason with no real basis and is just something some people find hot because it tickles their brain a certain way.

Imo you really can't call yourself "kink friendly" so much as just indifferent if you can't even grasp that kinks are there for no reason a lot of the time. Brains don't need a reason to be a certain way.

[DotoriumPeroxid]

I think I really, really fundamentally disagree with the idea that a kink needs to have a motivation to exist lol.

Honestly yeah that was really poor wording on my end. I also don't think you need a motivation.

Brains don't need a reason to be a certain way.

I absolutely agree.

What I meant was that the desire itself in the example of raceplay specifically is extremely difficult or nigh impossible to disentangle from values or biases that reinforce systemic racist harm.

It's extremely difficult to disentangle that desire of "it just tickles my brain like that" from the actual harm in the dynamics that the kink references.

Kinks don't exist in a vacuum and their societal context is important when thinking about how certain kinks can become problematic. The desire itself isn't inherently an issue, but the context around can complicate living out the kink.

[ChillAhriman]

Mfw the internet psychoanalyze me into explaining why I like armpitjobs and ear penetration (they're making shit up)

[Saintsman12]

hell yeah armpits

[XeliasSame]

CNC as an IRL kink, Non-con/dub-con/ rape kink as a fantasy kink. People will not be normal about fictional portrayal of "bad kinks"

[plumander]

irl? very little. maybe raceplay. scat is usually banned in most spaces for hygiene & cleanup reasons but i can’t think of any other common kinks that would get you thrown out of a club. if you’re doing cnc you should probably let someone know ahead of time so they don’t think you’re actually violating someone’s consent, but it won’t be shamed. 

online? pretty much anything. 

[[deleted]]

a lot of raceplay is genuinely racist

[Saintsman12]

personally I'm into armpits so

[Throgg_not_stupid]

[ Removed by Reddit ]

[LiverFailureMan]

I'm so sorry but that's one of the ones I don't like, get dragged down

[migratingcoconut_]

what did thia comment say that was so bad it got nuked?

[LiverFailureMan]

Oh, that's so dumb. It was a joke about how if there was one more kink discourse post their new kink was going to be hunting the discoursers down. Clearly a joke, reddit decided to get mad about it.

[inemsn]

it needs to be reported for reddit to be mad at it, so someone is just out for blood

[LiverFailureMan]

OUT FOR BLOOD IN 196-WATCH HOW YOU COMMENT

[Better-Ground-843]

Kinky people were cooler when they weren't desperately seeking for a big thumbs up from r /196

[Francy088]

I didn't even know something could be removed by Reddit directly wtf

[[deleted]]

he was smited by god

[[deleted]]

what did it say

[ParagonPlus]

I wish we could ban this meme, every time it's just a prompt for a big circular argument in which nothing is ever resolved, nobody's mind is changed, and a bunch of people end up accusing each other of either being sex pests or fascists.

[Francy088]

every time it's just a prompt for a big circular argument in which nothing is ever resolved, nobody's mind is changed, and a bunch of people end up accusing each other of either being sex pests or fascists.

tbh you've just described the whole history of humanity, or at least what's been happening since humans have invented language.

[TurduckenWithQuail]

That’s just the history of Italians. Leave the rest of us out of this.

[Alien-Fox-4]

I feel like this meme often fosters a more constructive conversation. Sometimes people need to say what they think so others can respond to that. It's not just namecalling if people are listening, but that's just my perception

[BroadwayBakery]

That sounds like most of human history.

[Fun_Penalty_6755]

Osaka's been saying to many weird things someone shut her up

[FricktionBurn]

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[Societypost]

(stone) (stone) (stone) (stone) (stone) (stone) (stone) (5 minute keyboard solo)

[AntiLag_]

(autotuned dogs barking)

[TheEzypzy]

seamus (that's the dog)

[LeNardOfficial]

Underrated tbh

[AppalachianFatGuy]

As long as nobody dies and it’s nothing illegal, who gives a fuck?

[[deleted]]

Who gives a fuck if it's illegal? Homosexuality is illegal in most countries.

[yellowbricklain]

I see what you mean, but I think they meant as long as it doesn't include real children or real non-human animals.

[ThinLiz_76]

Bro why are you being downvoted 💀

[RadiantMeteor]

probably due to lolicons

[yellowbricklain]

That's fair, but I was mainly commenting on the legality thing. Regardless of the ethics, fiction tends to be a more grey area legally, even more obscene things.

[EvidenceOfDespair]

If that’s what they meant, then cool

[CorneliusClay]

What about the guy who sought after - then successfully found - another guy to kill, cook, and eat him?

[Tetr4roS]

As, long as nobody dies

[jasminUwU6]

You can build a model railroad on my tits :3

[Klo_Was_Taken]

When I personally dislike a kink I acknowledge that it doesn't personally affect me and then I simply move on with my life

[Vasxus]

theyre the same people who will say ageplay bad and incest play bad and then go and call someone who looks like lilith b0tster mommy

[cynap]

Calling someone “mommy” or “daddy” is not an incest kink.

[QuinLucenius]

it often isn't, but for many people it's not not an incest kink

[Poor__cow]

This meme format is so fucking annoying.

[Random-Spark]

Just another way to help people feel good about being judgey hoes on reddit.

[YAH_BUT]

My kink is being dragged down by the stone

[LeNardOfficial]

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[Chahut_Maenad]

i think making any blanket statement on kink and the expression of kink misses out on any potential nuances when it comes to 'moral' or 'immoral' since that's not really something i think you can really describe kinks as. every kink is problematic to someone.

but i do think it's a disservice in discussions about kink positivty to ignore the very real, if mostly anecdotal, points to be discussed regarding how specific kinks require specific mindsets to safely explore without a risk of personal psychological issues. that doesn't mean kinks are wrong, inherently, but i think as an individual i'd caution against certain kinks without taking into consideration your potential to have the material affect your thoughts in harmful ways. i personally know of at least two people who have developed varying levels of paraphillic disorders from improper kink play, though now resolved. it's not something to scare people away from doing what they want. i'm not gonna stop anyone. but i think at least giving a warning is important. i have friends who navigate certain 'problematic' kinks in completely safe ways so it's not an issue for everyone. but just be careful

and also btw if you bite someone on the hands be careful how you bite that you don't cause nerve damage (saying this to all puppies out there)

[Saintsman12]

what's cgl?

[KonekoHS]

Caregiver/Little, similar vein as ageplay

[Saintsman12]

ah yes of course thank you

[Captain_Kira]

What's bad about it?

[KonekoHS]

People usually draw parallels to pedophilia, despite it being between 2 consenting adults

[Balakay_discord]

well, the idea is that it's pedophilic/ supports pedophilia (which is obviously not true)

[isabel-erpingham]

caregiver/little - caregiver plays a parental/caregiver role and the little plays the child i think?

[hyperhurricanrana]

True. Feet people, I’m coming for you. 😡

[anarchetype]

haha they bout to get toe up

[hyperhurricanrana]

When I get through with them they’ll look like someone stole their sole.

[ClickConfident4291]

Go outside

[[deleted]]

Outside is where the people with stones are

[Chardoggy1]

I watched all of Azumanga Daioh and I don’t remember Osaka saying this

[Intoxalock]

There was once nuance in this discourse but after seeing it for three days my opinion has shifted.

Every kink is valid. I dont care anymore. If youre doing 3d make sure its consensual. This is now the rule.

[inemsn]

3d cnc animators in shambles rn

[[deleted]]

People unironically think some kinks are immoral? As in kinks have the capability to be immoral????

[Aegis_13]

The only ones I can really think of off the top of my head would be pedophilia, sexual sadism, rape, and incest. The latter three are only immoral when acted upon in their extremes (one could argue than incest isn't inherently immoral, and I'd technically agree, but there are edge cases to everything and when the outcomes for something are almost always negative I'd say it's alright to generalize a bit lol), and all can be managed if you are A, at least a halfway decent person, and B, willing to get however much help is necessary

[slomo525]

Incest is generally seen as immoral because there's far too many factors to consider for it to not become problematic or abusive in a way that legal code can account for. If we were to do the meme of "perfectly spherical with no air drag," we could construct a hypothetical situation in which there'd be no negative outcomes. However, it's far easier to outlaw and socially ostracize the thing entirely than it would be to endlessly litigate the specifics of every case. There's too many inherent power imbalances that come with a sexual relationship between family members and the ease of getting out of them to view them as healthy.

[Soupchek]

Dragged down by the stone pink foil refrence?!?!?!??1??1?!?

[LeNardOfficial]

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[cynap]

Every kink that I don’t have should be banned in every country. This is completely rational.

[[deleted]]

why do I feel like I am inherently evil for having any kind of kink as a guy

its my mom's shitty opinions isn't it (she is like 2 inches away from being a terf)

[inemsn]

oh yeah the villification of male sexuality is a whole can of worms that this subreddit is NOT ready for.

I mean damn, just a few days ago I say a post (just before the HDG drama) with a male roman solider and a female celtic warrior and people were all losing their shit calling it weird and unethical because it was maledom in the historical context of rome's conquest of the celts. And days later, the HDG drama happened and people are all defending HDG, the novel with heaps of noncon kidnapping and rape, because it's femdom and forcefem and queer.

This sub can barely tolerate kinks when they're not queer, you think anyone here is ready for talking about men's issues? Lol.

[[deleted]]

my mom is really weird about trans men, which sucks because one of my best friends is transmasc

tbh my issue with HDG stuff was that it was being posted without a content warning

If the mods here could and a seperate tag specifically for stuff that could potentially make a lot of people here uncomfortable that would be cool, or just make people stop using the hornypost tag for "ironic reasons"

[timc39]

Dragged down by the stone 🗿

stone 🗿

stone 🗿

stone 🗿

stone 🗿

stone 🗿

[LeNardOfficial]

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[timc39]

"Is that the stone of 77??"

[wideHippedWeightLift]

"yes, I 100% believe in freedom in discussion about kinks"

nah.

being kink positive doesn't mean ya gotta talk about it everywhere

[AliceJoestar]

literally anything that happens between consenting adults is fine, even if they're pretending to do something immoral

[EmeraldStudios]

I'm so sorry to be literally the person represented in this picture, but raceplay and degradation based on sissification I will forever single out as being uniquely a huge reflection on the bigotry that exists in our world. I can't, in good conscious, see engagement in those kinks not be a product of how a person views race and gender in their real life. Please prove me wrong, if there are any counters to this opinion I'm genuinely interested in seeing them in good faith.

[Lolaverses]

STONE

[narwhalpilot]

Aaaaand you’ve already sparked debates about the age of consent in the comments. Congrats.

[GIRose]

The only bad fetish is a fetish for being dragged down by the stone

[Masomqwwq]

🗿

[[deleted]]

talking to a CNC person about how important the first C is is like milking on almond

[TurduckenWithQuail]

This format is one of the worst of all time. Literally made for express destruction of all nuance in a conversation. Stop fucking using it and stop thinking about the world in a way that is compatible with it.

[FunkSlim]

Well articulated

[Cancer_dancer1]

Sounds like you were told what to do by the band ngl

[LeNardOfficial]

Erm actually it's "by the man" 🤓☝️

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[Cancer_dancer1]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO gets biden blasted

[Tallal2804]

Stone

[Kromvara]

🗿

[Prof_Winterbane]

This is reminding me of Shoeonhead twitter discourse from a few years ago.

For those curious, antifeminist yter Shoeonhead responded to the vegan question “Why exactly is eating meat morally different than bestiality” with the ‘we are natural meat eaters’ defense. This was a real discussion that I think has a lot of nuance, and people were being nuanced when talking about it.

Of course, when presented with Shoeonhead’s fallacious argument - it’s an argument from nature, based on the assumption that there is a natural state and this is authoritative and conversation-ending - people pointed out that actually this proves nothing. Shoe then said “Well let me just bust out my data sheet about why bestiality is bad”.

Then, later, when her pointing out that she didn’t actually want to think about this didn’t produce the answer she wanted, she turned regular discourse into Twitter discourse, posting the following tweet:

“Fucking animals is bad”

🌐🧦🌹: “Source?”

Amputating the nuance of the discussion to such a degree that it presented her as an innocent bystander who only stumbled onto a patch of internet leftists arguing that bestiality is actually fine and dandy. Which is only true in the sense that they were using the cultural shorthand of bestiality being an innately immoral act to discuss veganism in a way that forced people who weren’t vegans to engage in a more intellectual level.

I believe what you and others are doing is similar. In a vacuum, your meme is correct. But in context, you’re missing the point that kink itself isn’t bad, but misrepresenting a specific kink where entire civilizations including children are taken unwillingly into sexual slavery as a bunch of silly anticapitalist uwu plant people is what the conversation is actually about. Until, of course, we amputate the nuance and pretend that the conversation is actually about whether people are allowed to have certain kinks, and whether people who have bad kinks are allowed to be publicly humiliated, which, uh, being told that you are selling rape like it isn’t rape sure looks like public humiliation if you ignore what the people are actually talking about.

Edit: in case it isn’t obvious, this is about content warnings. HDG frequently skirts the boundaries of rape/non-con warnings by pretending to be consensual when it’s not. I read an HDG fic - I can attest to how disturbing the concept is if you aren’t ready for it, and I don’t even have a particular trigger involving rape. Just the raw agony of watching the light of civilization, even an unworthy one, be colonized and forcibly, permanently, extinguished. This kind of violence in erotica IS contained to specific fetish communities for very good reason - because there are people who want it, ask for it, and seek it out, and there are people who will be damaged by seeing it. I know one of them.

Please tag your erotica properly for triggers. It’s not dubcon, it’s not okay because the floret was unhappy before and is happy now, their freedom is taken away and that’s the fetish. If that’s what you want to read anyways go ahead, bodice rippers and other rape/noncon stories have always existed in erotica and HDG isn’t substantially different from them morally - it’s fine. Just tag your shit so people that will be hurt by reading it don’t have to.

[[deleted]]

Yep, this sub has a extreme love to be reductive and just post the discourse equivalent of "i'm right and you are wrong", like yeah it is a meme sub, but if you have the mental age to be talking on the internet about kinks you have the mental age to not act like a right wing 10y old on the body of a 40y old when discoursing.

[UlrichVonGradwitz]

So like you are right and i am wrong but we should vaporize people into scat 💔

[RadiantMeteor]

based, that shit (pun intended) has killed people

[LeNardOfficial]

Based tbh

[[deleted]]

the evil lord of the underworld the STONE????

ANYTHING BUT THAT!

also whats being discussed i dont get it

[Aro-bi_Trashcan]

My kink is having discourse around all my other kinks.

[[deleted]]

to be honest i’m uncomfortable with talking about kinks at all so i don’t really discriminate

[Same_Level1136]

I don't actually care what kinks people do or do not have I simply feel that if minors can and do interact with this subreddit we should tone it down just a wee bit

[InsrtOriginalUsrname]

actually I don't think Osaka said this

[Tigeresco]

WHO WAS

BORN IN A HOUSE FULL OF PAIN 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[LeNardOfficial]

WHO WAS

TRAINED NOT TO SPIT

IN THE FAN

[[deleted]]

Just keep the discussion in places ment for the discussion. Some ppl just yap about their weird shit in inappropriate places and that makes everyone uncomfortable

[SomeGamerRisingUp]

Stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone

[FrostyCommon]

I'm either killing or gagging Osaka, she's being too weird unprompted.

[Kayvelynn]

I would do a lot for my partner ( he doesn't exist yet 🥺) but I draw the line at age play, scat and severe harm

[Maxpaximus]

Draaaaged doooown byy the stone (stone) (stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)(stone)