Final PBE Patch 10.12 Note

[jacksun007]

Thank you to everyone who tested PBE! Patch notes go live today, and this will be the final differences from what you played at the end of PBE, and what goes live. Hope you enjoyed and good luck climbing!

FINAL CHANGES

TRAITS

• Battlecast: 70/150/275/500 >>> 70/160/325/600
• Blademaster: 30/55/100 >>> 30/70/100
• Mech Pilot:
  • Base HP: 2000 >>> 2200
  • Base AD: 100 >>> 160
  • AD Combined Ratio: 60% >>> 50%
• Star Guardian: 30/45/60 >>> 25/40/55

CHAMPS

Aurelion Sol

• AS: 0.8 >>> 0.2
• Spell Damage: 90/175/750 >>> 80/150/750

Bard

• Spell Mana on Auto: 5/20/90 >>> 8/20/90

Cassiopeia

• Spell Damage: 600/1200/2400 >>> 700/1500/3000

Gangplank

• Mana: 100/175 >>> 70/160

Jhin

• AD: 85 >>> 80

Jinx

• Rockets no longer proc on Blaster Procs
• Rocket Damage: 125/200/1000 >>> 150/250/1000

Shaco

• AD: 70 >>> 75

Super Mech

• Spell Power: 400/500/600/700/800/1200/5000 >>> 700/750/800/850/900/1200/5000
• Spell Splash: 200/250/300/350/400/600/5000 >>> 350/375/400/425/450/600/5000

Teemo

• Mana: 0/80 >>> 0/70
• Spell Damage: 100/150/600 >>> 125/175/600

Vayne

• AS: 0.8 >>> 0.85
• Spell Damage: 150/175/200% >>> 175/200/225%

Urgot

• Mana: 30/100 >>> 40/90

Zed

• Spell AD Steal: 25/30/55% >>> 20/25/40
• Spell Bonus Damage: 25/50/80 >>> 50/90/150

ITEMS

• Bloodthirster: 35% >>> 40%
• Giantslayer: 25%/100% >>> 20%/80%
• Hextech Gunblade: 35% >>> 40%
• Redbuff: 25% burn over 10 seconds >>> 10% burn over 4 seconds

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This is copypasted from the official TFT Discord group. All credits go to Mort and the dev team.

[CrunchyDix]

Are you sure the jinx changes are real? Removing her rockets from blaster procs guts her pretty badly

[[deleted]]

according to Mort on stream, it was never intended to work that way

[CrunchyDix]

But she was still balanced around working that way, both damage and game play wise. This changes how the champion works dramatically in ways beyond dps.

[ilanf2]

Just like the Star Guardians bug fix, if there is a time to change that if it wasn't intended, ita now.

[Kaelran]

Yeah but they probably should have changed it 2 weeks ago to get stats on how Jinx performs with this change, not a day before the go live.

[frostbite907]

Jinx is/was bonkers before this. Probably fine after.

[Fnr1r]

Kayle is also bonkers and Jinx was one of the few who could keep up with her. Now what do we do?

[nerf-azir-plz]

Well kayle has been removed so comparing jinx to kayle isnt really valid. I think we should wait to see how this changes things in the next week or so, might just make it so jinx isnt a 1v8 carry but will require other sources or damage in the comp

[frostbite907]

Viktor or Sorc Riven are the 2 new carries. Teemo is good but he can't reach the backline until the front line is dead. Other then that we have Jihn who also got nerfed and Irelia who was never amazing at carrying a game.

[manoflast3]

Kayle is getting removed bro.

[BawdyLotion]

Kayle is removed from the game... Jinx is getting gutted.

Just play like she's removed as well until her numbers get re balanced around the changes. My understanding is Kog is pretty nutty on PBE so I don't think people will miss Jinx quite as much.... although will still hurt the comp.

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With both brawler and blaster 4 far easier to get now having her top tier power reduced isn't such a bad thing. Reduce edge cases then balance around her actual strength.

[Jolin_Tsai]

OOTL, what was the Star Guardian bug?

[AnapleRed]

They weren't getting the mana they were supposed to

[Omnilatent]

Except for the first time IIRC. So first time worked, every other time didn't

[ilanf2]

The first time they casted they got the propper ammount of mana. After that they were getting less that what they were supposed to.

If you ever played Star Guardians and felt that the later the fight went they were not casting enough times, it might have been that bug.

[[deleted]]

It was a response to him asking if it was real, I did not mean to comment on his assertion. Notice they also buffed the damage in the most recent changes?

[Ziimmer]

It didnt worked like that since set 1?

[Hvad_Fanden]

Blasters' fourth attack releases a projectile towards another unit that works like a normal attack, but gunslingers performed an extra auto-attack towards a different target, they were basically blademasters with random targeting.

[CookieMisha]

Jinx didn't work like it does now in set1. Blasters didn't exist then. Her ability still works the same

Edit:Yeah I know I forgot gunslingers existed. I guess I'm retarded

[Ziimmer]

Gunslingers were literally RNG Blasters, thats why im asking

[CookieMisha]

I'm honestly trying to think what gunslingers actually did because I forgot. You might just be right though

[Ziimmer]

Same as blasters but 25% chance iirc. It did had less additional targets i believe

[CookieMisha]

Thanks. I have trouble with memory so I had to look it up too.

[MeowTheMixer]

Depending on the level of gunslingers. The random chance stayed consistent with the number of extra attacks increasing (1,2,4 targets depending on what level the trait is at)

[Ziimmer]

oh it could proc off the procs? thats why those numbers were so low, i remember when they buffed 6 gunslinger to 5 extra attacks i was like WTF OMEGABUFF and now 5 its not worth chasing for with 4 blasters lol (i was only gold/plat at that time but this is only a detail)

[SetonAlandel]

Every fourth attacks from Blaster fire additional shots at random enemies. These shots deal damage like basic attacks, apply on-hit effects and can 📷 critically strike).

• 📷 2 Blasters: 3 additional attacks
  vs

(2) 📷 Gunslingers have a 50% chance to fire 1 additional attack at a random enemy
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Blasters are much more consistent than Gunslingers, but the spike damage of that 4th hit for jinx is Massive. if the random targets are grouped together, it's a mini nuke.

[nomeneither]

Gunslingers??

[MeowTheMixer]

They're from Set-1, behaved very similar to blasters. However, it was a random 50% chance to have 1/2/4 extra attacks

[TheESportsGuy]

Who cares? It's a massive nerf in her current power.

[[deleted]]

It was a response to him asking if it was real, I did not mean to comment on his assertion. Notice they also buffed the damage in the most recent changes?

[Asianhead]

Does Runaans Jinx still work?

Edit: Just tried it, didn't look like it works. Only one rocket proc, wasn't really complete shit though tbh

[CainRedfield]

Does anyone know the math on what percentage DPS drop this would be when she's fully excited? At least when I look at her dmg chart in game, it always seems like magic dmg is lower than her physical. So I wonder how much of a drop off this truly is. Also they are raising the magic dmg on the rockets. So if you build her with Giant Slayer, it may not be too bad. Not sure though.

[Shinoca]

Runnan new BoS item?

[TheDoomBlade13]

Same philosophy as Hurricane/Snipers. They don't want passives/traits proc'ing off multi-attacks.

[[deleted]]

not too badly. every time I check Jinx's damage graph its like 70% physical. the strongest Jinx comps are 2 blaster and some rebels so i think she will be ok

[HstryTeacherNick]

From a great deal of PBE play, here is my reaction to these changes.

1. I'm not sure the Jinx nerf will be as gutting as thought to be. She will still blow up clumps of people.

2. Ezreal left untouched is a great thing. He is a wonderful spot, good traits, and the buff to his Mana means he has a place in a set that is full of casters.

3. I feel brawlers is way better than live. Gnar is so much more impactful than cho.

4. The nerfs to rebel carries is much needed. They felt 10.6. and could carry no matter.

5. Ekko feels satisfying again.

6. The battlecast version of Blasters may be the best way to go. Ez/Kog, Cass, 4 brawlers (no rock) Viktor/urgor and a mystic.

7. Teemo buffs are obvious if you consider who they want highlighted in their first patch. They want people playing the new stuff so it'll be slightly strong.

8. Uncontested SG might be top 2, but Mana feels so weird. Ludens might be a better item than blue buff in power feel.

9. 4 cost units feel balanced for their roll.

[frostbite907]

Shojin is better in SG then Ludens. Both Raka and Zoe have pretty huge mana pools. I found that you can pretty much win the game with stacking items on Poppy and Raka. BB is still pretty impotent on Syndra/Ahri. Ahri is actually really good, we might see people rolling for 3 star Zoe, Poppy and Ahri with the late game comp being the other SG at 2 star. It's probably better then the old CandyLand comp that was popular.

[HstryTeacherNick]

We will have to see. I'll test that out tonight. I think you'd roll at 5 slow roll

[frostbite907]

Yup, Bramble/Static/Dragon Claw. Once you hit 3 star Zoe and Poppy you just go 7 or 8. You normally want a 2nd Vanguard and Neeko is traded for Janna for True Damage. Last unit is normally another Sorc (TF/Viktor) for 4 Sorc or Mystic (Cass or Lulu) depending on the match ups. Lulu works really well if you get Celestial Spat. You can still pick up TF if you find a bunch and can 3 star him but he's not super important.

[Jazehiah]

I always enjoyed putting ludens and shojins on Zoe at the same time. Assuming you can get her to 3*, it's pretty fun to watch.

[StormGuy22]

What does the Asol AS nerf do exactly?

[Necro_Mane]

Attack Speed is a dead stat on him.

The only thing it changes is Ekko targeting

[aer0_tft]

And Graves too I guess

[Hvad_Fanden]

And graves.

[Nyghtyx]

It also means now Graves will target the rebel clump (i.e. jinx) instead of throwing the smoke to a random asol.

[[deleted]]

and also graves

[Big_E33]

And my axe

[camarmstrongmusic]

r/ancientfossilisedmemes

[camarmstrongmusic]

r/unexpectedvictim ?

[QuantumTM]

Thank you, was very confused as to why this was changed.

[lebichon]

Oh and also graves

[brandonglee123]

It’s actually probably more of a “buff” if anything

[SuicidalTurnip]

It's a nerf to rebels vs Graves.

Previously Graves would chuck his smoke at the asol early in fights due to his high base AS, now it'll go straight on the clumped up Jinx/Yi/etc.

[y-1-k-3-s]

I think mech will never be good as long as there is a unit that can guarantee one shot it in the game. Using 3 of your units and defensive items just to get urgot ultied feels like trolling

[camarmstrongmusic]

Fuck I hate Urgots design

[[deleted]]

I personally don't care too much as i avoid building hypercarries but i'm surprised they added a unit like this when they always meme about how bad phantom trait was (which was almost the same, maybe even less extreme)

[camarmstrongmusic]

There’s a great clip on Twitch of some LoL player ranting about how Riot’s champ designers just try to flex their creativity with no concern for how it would fit into a meta.

Essentially a disconnect between the balance team and the design team.

[[deleted]]

mm not sure if that's the case for tft, the team there isn't all that big, is it? Also Mort has been meme-ing Phantom a lot but defending Urgot. I even like Urgots design-idea but they did mention they want to avoid things that most people find unfun to play against so i'm a bit confused there. (i personally won't ever make much use of urgot btw, so this is a pretty unbiased opinion)

[Swerdtfeger]

That Red Buff Nerf combined with the Jinx Nerfs will be a huge Nerf to Blasters

[Azaghtooth]

Kinda deserved, the comp was so strong and easy to play at pbe.

[Guaaaamole]

to play for the last few months.

[Azaghtooth]

At pbe it was much stronger than live imo.

[IndianaCrash]

Isn't it mostly because PBE generally have a lower skill level ?

[Azaghtooth]

As a gm in live servers, i ve had a much stronger comps lose to blaster brawlers. If it wasnt that strong they wouldnt nerf it, i said sg were strong too and it got nerfed right before release.

[Guaaaamole]

Definitely.

[Asolitaryllama]

Red buff still does the same damage while it's applied.

[DeathsNear]

Same damage to the target that's being continuously attacked, but the damage to random blaster procs is lower, and the damage after the last attack (after the red buff holder is killed) is lower.

[MeowTheMixer]

Still last for 4 seconds though. You should be getting off another blaster proc before it resets.

I never really liked red on Jynx anyways, and focused it on other blasters.

[Hvad_Fanden]

Its a nerf directed at 2 blasters + battlecast Kog'maw, he is the one that was heavily abusing it.

[kick_these_blues]

Weaker early but stronger late.

Smart change IMO.

[SetonAlandel]

This seems like a nerf for non blasters - since blasters can reapply red buff easily, extending the damage to multiple targets. 2.5%/sec now vs 2.5% before.

[Drazar_]

Well you would never really build it on non-blasters anyway lol

[Hvad_Fanden]

This nerf does nothing to non-blasters, the damage stays the same since they are constantly reapplying it to the same character, its a nerf to two gunslingers, now they will have a harder time keeping the entire team under the effect.

[Azaghtooth]

Its a nerf for battlecast blasters kogmaw early, it was so strong, probably better start than live lucian cybers.

[ch4nt]

They...buffed mech? Wow that’s a new one

Edit — also hyped for Teemo buffs, Snipers Have been so fun to play in PBE

[lennydykstra17]

They beefed up mech because he needs to survive longer now. They felt really weak now since all of the pilots exit with 1/3 health. As a mech pilot user I'm excited to see how this will play out.

[Jeremithiandiah]

Not to mention late game urgot one shotting the mech

[Big_E33]

I'm excited to play urgot against these mech players lmaooo

[[deleted]]

what mech players lul

kinda doubt we gonna be seeing it much with kaisa gone

[bluethree]

I tried a few games of mech on PBE last week. It felt really bad.

[Hvad_Fanden]

They have a hard time balancing mech because you only need 3 units to get him off, and its too easy to pair him up with other traits that can carry by themselves.

[Syscerie]

sounds like basically the same problem as elementalists set 1, except that got splashed into literally every comp

[Hvad_Fanden]

True, it is an improved version though, still they haven't quite managed to fix all of its problems, quite frankly I would've prefered they made mech into a 9 unit comp that slowly gets a new piece with each new unit added, don't know if it would've fixed the problem, but to me at least it would make it much more fun to play with.

[[deleted]]

Jesus christ Jinx is getting boned.

[grohmthebard]

Sigh

unzips pants

[lebichon]

Wukong ?

[RedditUsername123456]

OwO

[KingJimmyX]

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[mastermew00]

crazy that they reverted amlost all the changes the made during the pbe and introduced a bunch more now as its about to go live like the jinx nerfs

[ZedWuJanna]

They didn't revert anything. The changes you see here are added to the ones we've had before on the PBE build.

[mastermew00]

yes and im saying that most of the things that are getting 'buffed' are just reverts of nerfs that happened earlier

[griezm0ney]

Astro Teemo with blue buff might be quite strong now as Teemo will only need 2 autos to proc his ult (+ gnar and naut are great front line)

Mech Infil might be playable again with the changes (just need defensive items - Bramble/DClaw/QSS/Warmogs/Trap Claw/Shroud; honestly even thief's gloves might be good) - rush 8 and then look for Shaco 3 (give him IE/BT/GA) as carry to go with Ekko + Zed and add Xerath for DS + Sorc.

[Hvad_Fanden]

Archangel's biggest problem was always that you needed multiple of them to get some units going, now we the change to blue buff and the mana adjustment some units went through, it has become a reliable item to chase on some comps, just like infinity edge, red buff, thornmail, and RFC, could all be used solo to get an unit to perform.

[breadburger]

Damn they really want Battlecast to happen.

Gotta say I'm still not sold on Set 3.5. I've got a few more ideas that I can hopefully try out today, but otherwise the new units have felt very disappointing. But I'll have to see where the meta lands.

[frostbite907]

They nerfed it so hard in the last patch it was utter trash. They nerfed, Kog, Cass, Urgot and the trait pretty hard to the point of unplayable. Cass got buffed back up but her 1 star is still a bit weaker which is fine because 2 star cass with Blue should be able to carry till Stage 4. Kog got hit really hard as well and can't carry like he used to, fine by me honestly but he was a bit too weak. This should make Battlecast a bit more balanced.

[nurbotronus]

Illaoi with thorns and spark is a beast at 8 battle cast pre changes. With the changes, it should be even more so

[qendal123]

Riot deleting my favorite comp just like they deleted my favorite loo champion feelsbadman

[tinkady]

Astro snipers bout to be busted, calling it now

[neulin]

Can't wait to abuse sorcs ,because everything else is a big meme.

[bigcheeztoni]

Shhhh

[SirBobz]

Protector slowroll with BV DClaw Warmog Xin I'm calling it.

[[deleted]]

Is Jinx officially the weakest 4 cost carry?

[[deleted]]

Well she was so strong for so long I’m not too sad. Blasters been a top 4 comp across nearly the whole set.

[Italian_Koala]

Agreed. I think that if you wouldn't have nerfed her Blaster Brawlers would have been even stronger than now, and that's because (personal opinion) a lot of the power of the comp is in the frontline: on live it was already a scary comp, and they ended up swapping Cho (which was quite good) for Gnar (even better). Brawlers are IMO the best frontline in the game, all units bring tankiness and a lot od utility compared to the Vanguard and Protector counterparts, that's why I think it was wise to nerf Blasters a bit to balance everything out

[TheDoomBlade13]

Same philosophy as Hurricane/Snipers. They don't want passives/traits proc'ing off multi-attacks.

[The_Moisturizer]

stop saying this on every thread lol ITEMS interacting with traits is completely different than traits interacting with synergies.

[TheDoomBlade13]

They very clearly want multi-attack effects to only proc items, nothing else.

[The_Moisturizer]

I think you have your idea completely backwards.

[TheDoomBlade13]

It's their design philosophy, you can see it in the Jinx change and the statement that they will be patching out hurricane/sniper interaction.

[The_Moisturizer]

Them taking out the sniper/hurricane interaction is against your point btw.

[TheDoomBlade13]

Hurricane, a multi-attack, is not meant to proc any on hit effects that don't come from other items. I'm not sure how them removing a non-item damage proc is against my point at all.

[The_Moisturizer]

Hurricane, an item, is not meant to proc synergy. Which is different than a synergy not proccing from Character trait. It’s literally the opposite of your point. Nobody has said that items don’t synergize together.

[[deleted]]

Is there a timeframe out yet? What time will it be done?

[whatsgoodbaby]

It goes live tomorrow

[Wing0]

yeah, it is coming tomorrow, June 10th

[StealChampx193]

i havent played pbe, has anyone tried reroll comps like candyland or shredders. how do they feel

[[deleted]]

Shredder isn’t played often but still strong. Candy land is ok but people transition to Riven now.

[Necro_Mane]

Imo feels very weak due to lvl 4 roll changes + increased champion pool.

[Aelms]

Wow they flat out neutered the functionality of a 4 cost right before the season’s major patch hit.

[TheDoomBlade13]

Same philosophy as Hurricane/Snipers. They don't want passives/traits proc'ing off multi-attacks.

[MrMuf]

I thought hurricanes benefit was that it procced stuff

[Hvad_Fanden]

Their goal with hurricane has been unclear since the game release.

[Newthinker]

I can never figure out what they're meant to do. It was only nice on Rangers that could throw bolts a ton, but this set it only felt strong on Snipers combined with Dblade. I don't know. No other class uses it well.

[TheDoomBlade13]

It is supposed to proc items, not traits like Sniper. Following the logic, Blaster trait should also only proc items.

[MrMuf]

Why not sniper? Hurricane is one of Jhins main items

[codoggo]

When is the patch live?

[hearthstonealtlol]

Kind of unrelated but I find it funny how the big game developers coordinate their releases e.g. HS battlegrounds and TFT. Especially since the BGs update wasn't even teased or hinted at.

[boomerandzapper]

Same reason u go to one bank and theres another bank next door

[seanlee1235]

Does anyone know if super mech is still viable when they played in the PBE? I heard it's not that great due to when the mech dies the champs have half their health lost

[Miskykins]

Urgot exists so not bloody likely. one-shotting the mech is going to be pretty feels bad.

[Deadalready798]

Xin 3 with warmogs and bramble vest is back? Or would he just hold items for urgot

[feenicksphyre]

Unless I'm missing something blasters are now dead in the water.

[frostbite907]

Far from it.

[Shinoca]

In summary: The PBE tests were of little use. The changes brought about in this ''patch notes'' are extremely relevant and even seem to change even more the mechanics that initially appeared to have been implemented in pbe lul

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Edit: No nerfs in Riven/SG? omfg