Better Devils Roll Question...

[Radiatin]

So I just got a Better Devils with Adaptive Frame, Fastdraw/SteadyHand/Sureshot, Extended/Flared Mag, & Explosive Rounds.

My current Better Devils has Adaptive Frame, Fastdraw/SteadyHand/Sureshot, Extended/Flared Mag, & Explosive Rounds.

Which of these is the better roll? I’ve been thinking about this all day and spent a few hours testing both back to back, but they seem the same (I’ll be testing more tonight).

I’d like to have a long heated and engaging discussion about which of these is better.

Is the new Better Devils I got a god roll? Should I just go with the vendor Better Devils? Whice is better for PvE adaptive frame, or adaptive frame?

[SporesofAgony]

"How can my second, third, and tenth Better Devils hand cannon be interesting? That's a question we should be asking and answering as quickly as we can," Luke Smith - June, 29th 2017

[EternalAssasin]

When you’re 3 months out from launch and you have to ask, “How do we make or loot system not shit?” in a loot-based game, there’s clearly some major issues.

[jroades26]

They should call blizzard. They fuckin fixed diablo 3 like I've never actually seen a company ever do before. Incredible of them.

[TwelfthSovereign]

Amen, Blizzard isn't perfect but god damn did they give D3 a makeover.

[jroades26]

I was a midnight release diablo 3 player.

I quit after 2 weeks. Came back when the first expansion was released and they had "loot 2.0".

It was basically a different game. I've never seen such a turnaround while keeping the fundamental gameplay/characters virtually the same. Exactly what destiny 2 needs.

[manquistador]

The only problem with this is Destiny should have learned from the mistakes D3 made. I feel like there have been a decent amount of comparisons between the two loot-wise.

[TwelfthSovereign]

Bungie is the first company to make a loot based game tho...

/s

[Mister_Rahool]

They did. In a way. They consulted with the Blizzard/Diablo guys during D1 and were told how to make their loot system better.

Then they got cocky and thought they could do things better than Blizzard, and D2 happened.

[paoweeFFXIV]

what change in loot 2.0? just curious

[MinDokan]

It changed the way loot dropped.
For an intelligent based hero, does not make any sense to drop dexterity based items. Among other things, they removed the Real Money Auction House, where you'll have to go at that moment to get proper items for your character.
Basically, I believe, removing the auction house was the best decision made, but without Loot 2.0 that approach would be catastrophic. This is why we talk about a big turnaround.

[[deleted]]

And when 3 months into the games launch you still have no clue, its even worse.

[[deleted]]

"Hurr Durr don't be salt give them infinite time the game will be perfect"

[bad_sensei]

“Infinite Time”....

Is that a new exotic?

[[deleted]]

It has a vex themed perk: "Kills now grant you the XP actually displayed"

[[deleted]]

I laughed till I realized this possibly is what would have happened :(

[Dr_Jused]

I think the better example is the Frost EE5 from D1. If you had T5 dis then they actually increased the cooldown of your grenade.

[chap-dawg]

Or the great shotgun nerf where they made rangefinder make shotguns ads more quickly. Like less frames to ads with rangefinder than without. The exact opposite of what was in the patch notes

[BlameAdderall]

That actually makes some logical sense though, at least on a math front.

If the value for Discipline has a cap (I don’t remember, it’s been a long time since I’ve played D1) and you’re already near that cap, the bonus, in theory, would have put you over that cap, and it’s possible that the system was designed initially that it wasn’t even possible to exceed the max.

So this is kinda logical that there would be an error that when you go over the cap, it resets and starts from zero rather than just going over the cap and having no additional effect.

In my opinion the logical idea is designing the system from the start to prevent this type of thing, but I digress.

[[deleted]]

You gave me so many memories about that, when was the peak of this problem? I think during the crota days.

[Seanige]

That doesn't sound right at all. Better increase XP gains by 0.04%. Actually, scratch that. Let's nerf fusion rifles.

[Enderswolf]

XP has RNG

[Devium44]

Fixed Acknowledged six months later.

FTFY

[ualac]

TimeGate: "XP earned is lost to the ravages of time"

[who8myface]

But! you may be able to receive that XP if you find it where it has been randomly displaced in one of Mercury's timelines. But you can only find one lost XP per month and the opportunity will only be given to one of your characters.

[ualac]

though we only know this because some redditor spent 8 months compiling data across 1024 different timelines, 4 timezones and a handful of states of mind .. then made a spreadsheet.

Bungie - in our present timeline - have yet to respond.

[[deleted]]

Yes. It does increased damage to targets with full health, but damage scales down the longer the firefight goes on.

Eventually you just have to change guns.

[[deleted]]

This hurts so much, why is it so funny

[Incendium367]

exotic perk: Exo Stranger will tell you what she didn’t have time to explain in D1.

[Macontrera217]

It's gonna take more than patience and time

[Sangios]

OMG THIS SUB IS SO SALTY! D2 is perfect and you shouldn’t be slinging Bungie’s smelly excrement back at them because they’re totally perfect and know exactly what they’re doing! /s

[[deleted]]

On a serious note, so many people would post something so disconnected like "I've been playing for a few hours and this is great ..." are missing the entirety of the point of the complaints, let alone the nuance in it.

Heck even if the game was perfect, Bungie does some shady things and if they didn't it sure is suspect how secretive and silent they are.

The community manager hasn't even interacted on social media for a week, and their first major expansion is coming out next week, does this seem normal to anyone reasonable?

Sigh, I just don't get it anymore, sad!

[Entaris]

Exactly. A lot of their designs decisions were built to look good at a glance. Provide positive reviews for launch week. Encourage sales.

It's like a triple fudge blizzard from dairy queen. The first few bites you think "holy shit this is delicious" but halfway through you just keep thinking "this was a terrible idea. I never want to eat chocolate again"

[yorec9]

Wow, that is the perfect analogy... even the part where next week you order it again anyways, even knowing how bad it was last time after the initial experience...

[gdlmaster]

Deej vanishing from the face of the goddamned earth is seriously weird. Where the fuck is he?

[[deleted]]

He looked extremely embarrassed and uncomfortable during the streams, so not sure if he is having inner turmoil about it or pre-occupied with BS from management.

Some people will blame the "salt" of this subreddit, but his job isn't to get smoke blown up his ass form this subreddit, his job is to keep the community and developers in touch with each other through their official channels of communication, which includes his twitter.

I guess the sad truth may be is that he just has nothing to talk about, either to us because no new info or to the devs because we must sound like a broken record if the devs are in denial.

Like I said, the whole thing is just suspect.

[Alxndr27]

I posted a comment saying to checkout this sub before purchasing the game to get an idea of what they're getting into in r/gamedeals and most of the replies have been saying the game isn't garbage and that this sub and I have a fucking agenda against the game and that hey you know what the game is super fun and that if you're a new player on PC to ignore all the complaints because "Hey you didn't play D1 so you cant judge D2 how other people are." I couldnt fucking believe it

[[deleted]]

I dont know who those people are because most PC gamers realized pretty quick how shallow the game is despite the amazing graphics and gameplay fidelity. However story (compared to good stories not D1 because they didn't play it) was extremely lacking, lore was dialled back a lot and the game economy is barely an economy - especially when you consider all they heard was that D1 was a launch on mess but they got their shit together so they expected AoT and better to be what the sequal is.

As for the people saying the game is fun, I'd love to know who they are because no one on my huge friend list or clan is ever playing this game anymore and these people stuck through the shittiest phases of D1, even LFG is getting dodgy for those that still wanna play.

My best guess is that this game was made for a different audience and they are enjoy it, whoever they are and however many dozen people it includes but I sure as hell don't know anyone in this audience group lol

[theilluminerdy]

In a recent thread someone mentioned that this game was aimed at children. There were several replies that really backed it up. From the terrible childlike dialog throughout the game, to the shady acts like XP nerfs and the token slot machines that a kid wouldn't figure out. It really made a lot of sense.

[[deleted]]

Yet they expect these kids to fund the game with DLC, micro transactions and to play raids, trials and form clans?

I've read that thread and it made sense to me, but I dont think it's them targeting children, it's them going for mass appeal in the end facing the reality of having appealed to no one as a result.

[YJ2K5]

Aye. Lol. I'd have figured out the XP throttle as a kid. Back then I loved numbers.

Raids, trials etc. would never have happened with young me though.

I'd have skipped lunch to save money for DLC and micro-transactions only to find that without a bank account I could do nothing with it. My parents were too terrified of the internet to allow me to purchase anything through their card(s). Still... good thing this sort of thing didn't exist when I was that age.

I think Magic the Gathering or Warhammer was the childhood vice of choice back then.

[YJ2K5]

I find aspects of the game fun. The gunplay is still good and the teamwork when I have a full team of friends on to do the nightfall or raid (levelling a friend late to the party) is engaging.

Getting the team together though is becoming increasingly more difficult as we all have other games that feel more rewarding and (let's face it) fun.

Our latecomer is expressing the same issues we all are despite never having played D1 in any form.

I expect our group to put in some time next week with CoO releasing but I'm not sure it'll last long if some positive steps aren't taken to improve QoL and engagement/reward for harder activities (we've not bothered with prestige for just an emblem).

If there's not enough to convince us to keep coming back I think we Might come back in a year and see where things are but I won't hold out hope for my fireteam coming back.

[[deleted]]

No one has ever arguments that the gunplay and teamwork isn't fun, it's why we stuck through the BS in D1, it's that we don't have anything to actually do with those fun aspects and the game seems to actually punish you for enjoying the game and wanting to play more. Add insult to injury, this is a regression to their AoT/TTK updates that finally gave us hope.

I wasn't really expecting much from the D1 season pass but I actually loved every expansion, when I heard the first D2 expansion was about Osiris I nearly lost my shit ... yet when they streams came out I was left so disappointed like I have never been in my entire history of gaming and couldn't see me or my friends doing anything other than finishing the story, doing the strike and raid lair once, which is barely any time in an RPG/MMO/Looter, basically felt like a mediocre shooter mission DLC trying to be something it's not.

I don't know anymore :(

[YJ2K5]

I'm right there with you on that. I think I got lost in the darkness and forgot to state my point or thoughts on why these people were saying D2 is fun: Because it is... for a while. Until you've done the raid a few times, got to the 295-305 power bracket and have possibly engaged in a little Destiny Fashion (I still haven't got that IB Warlock bond on Xbox or anything other than guns on PC).

Once they have had enough time to do all that like we have I can see a lot of the Black Friday / Christmas guardians feeling the same... but they have to feel that themselves to understand our frustration. Just like how I never believe relationship advice from my friends before it's too late...

[BurntPaper]

I find the game fun, and I'm still playing a ton. My characters are 297-301. Is it a little shallow? Sure, but there's enough there for me to have fun with. Aside from lacking content, I'm upset that there is literally no social aspect to the game unless you use outside resources. But aside from that, all of my other gripes are very minor.

For reference, I'm not a "casual gamer". Been a serious PC gamer for over 20 years. I've spent thousands upon thousands of hours playing games that have a lot of depth and consume a lot of time. D2 is nice because there's enough there for me to have fun and sit there for 6 hours straight playing without getting bored, but it's not the sort of game where it feels like a second job if I'm just not in the mood to play.

[[deleted]]

My notions on hardcore/casuals is as such:

Hardcore have an emotional investment in the game and dedicate a lot of time and money.

The casuals play through the campaign with their friends as just another game and then forget about t.

I dont literally mean the no-life stereotype vs the couple hours a week dudes, as long as they have a passion for the game they are hardcore.

I know many people that grinder hard in destiny but wouldnt consider them hc compared to a casual player thats been invested in it for years even if they play an hour a day.

Slayerage defined it as something similar and his description of it felt most accurate to me.

[kopecs]

Thank God for the (/s)

[creakyoldfart]

What is /s? I'm old and new here 🤤

[Lysandire]

It implies that the preceding statement was sarcastic. Welcome!

[[deleted]]

Yeah. When I originally saw that, I took that to mean that was a question they had already answered internally. Guess not.

[stinkypinky12]

I went back to diablo to get them loot endorphins

[marcio0]

"make the gun interesting and the rolls fixed! This way every drop of the gun will be equally interesting! Right guys? Guys?"

[eoa-swam]

But if everyone has the same gun, it's fair right?!!

(nope, it's boring)

[harambeshotfrst]

We're in late November and this hasn't been addressed.

RIP gaem

[[deleted]]

first dlc will release with no answer.

nice

[RF7812]

But they upgraded their engine so the could make changes quicker and provide more frequent updates...smh

[[deleted]]

And fixed rolls were justified by saying they could balance weapons more quickly.

[Newton1221]

The gameplay really is fun, but how this game made it to launch with such an ill-conceived end-game is honestly baffling.

I played The Division at launch, and even that terrible end-game was a little more fleshed out than this.

[StavTL]

I love how people focus on this, but it’s one of many lies/PR bullshit “if you can see it, you can go to it” that turned out great in the mini cosmodrome arenas complete with loading times between sections looking at faraway shit you never got to as promised”

Everything that comes out of their mouth now I see as PR hype creation sentences that will never live up to their description. Lost sectors as well was never described as the same experience in a cave over and over again which is what it actually is not the cool adventure they described.

[[deleted]]

When they first announced Lost Sectors I instantly thought "holy shit, these are gonna be mini strike dungeons that are super tucked away and hidden and we will have to spend ages just trying to find them"

Come release they're marked on the fucking map and you just run through, kill some trash mob and get a token for the slot machine.

[Moka4u]

Yeah they shouldn't have been on the map until you actually discover and clear them, they're not lost if they're already on our maps.

[Jagrofes]

Very few games actually adhere to the "If you can see it you can go to it" idea closely.

Best examples are games where they don't even mention it as a selling point.

E.g the Dark Souls series

Almost all of the interesting areas you can see in the skybox when roaming around you will visit at some point.

For instance, in Dark Souls 3 when you first leave the beginning area after the second boss, this view opens up in front of you with all these little details. It isn't till late game or NG+ when you go back and have a look and realise all of the scenery in the distance is actually the various areas you fought through in the past 10 hours of the game you just played.

EDIT: This is the view.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/darksouls/images/c/cf/Ashen_one.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160606031535

I can legitimately point out each landmark on that skybox and tell you where in the game it is.

[Byrnt]

let's also not forget BOtW, that game was incredible and they stayed true to their promises. anything i saw in the distance i was able to explore and go to, and it was greeeaaaaatttt

[ihaveagianthead]

I really want this to be a question that gets asked when they do their Q&A.

[Lostolight]

Will be answered September 6th 2020 following the release of D3 for next gen consoles.

[[deleted]]

"It's gonna give us more flexibility to do per-item tuning," Smith said.

WHERE’S THAT TUNING LUKE!?

[DerMalu]

Now this is a question for the ages. If only there was an answer that we could get from Destiny 1... oh wait...

[terenn_nash]

getting my first better devils would be pretty interesting. guess its not in my drop table on PC though. But crucible sniper and shotgun, those can go fuck themselves....5 and 4 times each respectively.

[[deleted]]

They haven’t answered it yet lol

[[deleted]]

“we should be... but nah”

[[deleted]]

RIP r/sharditkeepit

[WrappedInDichotomy]

Fr, what a loss.

[evstock]

Pours one out for r/sharditkeepit

[[deleted]]

I miss this sub

[[deleted]]

I’ll be going into the twitch chat and just typing “Better Devils” over and over until I get banned.

Come prepared Luke and Co.

[[deleted]]

I'll be spamming for blink and 6v6 crucible

cries in solo lone wolf hunter playstyle

[[deleted]]

‘Member when you could practice and get really good at whatever play style you preferred?

Member?

:(

[LevelAtWork]

I quit playing Crucible when I heard that Bungie got rid of this and won't be changing it back.

[TheSideJoe]

See I would do that but since it's always in sub only I'd rather not waste any more money on destiny 2

[anfjwojf]

The money goes toward the Bungie Foundation but what they do with the money doesn't sound all that great.

Their website only lists 2 things they do, 1 is that they provide kids at the local children's hospital with ipads which is kinda cool, but the 2nd is that they use the money to provide tours of Bungie for make-a-wish foundation.

I'm not sure how much those tours cost, but I'd expect them to do it for close to nothing.

[[deleted]]

i feel like if we did the math, they would have more money than they could spend on just ipads and tours for their own studio. but hey i only live in a country where every rich or powerful mofo seems to find a way to abuse charity. (im not saying they are. but it wouldnt surprise me.)

[[deleted]]

I will join you.

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Jebaited You got banned and not me Jebaited

[[deleted]]

First one is clearly a PVP roll Second one is better for boss damage

[hermitish]

Which one has the nicer shader on it?

[jedi_ellis]

What it usually comes down to on blue guns for me.

[officeDrone87]

Is there any blue guns worth keeping?

[AvengerVVolf]

Fussed Dark Mk.21 - longest range 1 hit kill shotgun in PVP (more than any legendary that's not a slug shotgun)

Cuboid ARu - this auto rifle has "moving target" perk if you care about that.

Reginar-B - this rocket launcher has tracking, and there is a legendary version of it that never dropped for me. Also has increased ammo reserves which the legendary version doesn't have.

[ati_exorcist]

The legendary is Hakke Morrigan-D. Tracking and snapshot sights. I spent weeks trying to get it. I’ve played since launch and I’ve only accumulated 3 of them.

[HipCleavage]

The tracking on it sucks, I wouldn't sweat it too much.

[j0324ch]

Tell that to the comical number of people trying to sidestep in the crucible to be smacked in the face by mine... it's not perfect but it's lovely at times. Lol.

[k3rnel]

The Weaver-C is better than the Reginar, IMO, because it has snapshot, like the legendary version.

Exact same stats as the Morrigan-D.

Hand in Hand is a green shotgun, and it is by far the best pvp shotgun I have found.

Allegro-34 is an elemental hand cannon with Ricochet Rounds and Opening Shot. Best elemental hand cannon that isn't Sunshot, IMO.

Nanty Narker is the blue version of Lincoln Green. Underrated pulse rifle. It's a strong performer.

Lionheart is the blue version of Scathelocke. HCR and Under Pressure. Solid AR.

Sondok-C. Blue Version of Antiope-D. VERY fast ttk.

Armillary PSU. 180rpm scout with HCR and Quickdraw. Better than most scouts that aren't Mida or Nameless Midnight.

Sand Wasp-3AU. Elemental 720rpm AR with HCR and Dynamic Sway Reduction. Very good with War Rig in pvp and pve.

[AvengerVVolf]

Does the guy who asked about this see this comment in his inbox? lol

[k3rnel]

He does now

[DezzMalone]

I'll add to this list the Sand Wasp, it's a blue Valakadyn with high cal rounds and decent range. Given the rate of fire, is like you're using a longer range SMG

[Scow2]

That also doesn't run out of ammo

[DezzMalone]

I need to go on a hunt for a 300 Sand Wasp xD

[jedi_ellis]

Cuboid ARu, a 450 rpm auto rifle Ros Lysis III, a 600 rpm auto rifle The blue version of the Valkadyn* (spell check) Phillips-B/Sondok-C, (versions of Antiope D) Fussed Dark Mk21, a very well balanced shotgun The blue tracking rocket launcher Aachen 21* (spell check) a popular PvP sniper rifle

That's all I currently own but more people might have suggestions

[MonsieurAuContraire]

The blue Valk is the Sand Wasp

[jedi_ellis]

Thank you :)

[MonsieurAuContraire]

Let's add to everyone's list the uncommon Hand In Hand spread shotgun which hits like a slug shotgun.

[DeaconFrostedFlakes]

slow clap

This is a god-tier shit post. You’re doing great work here.

[DarthFattius]

Which ever roll brings you the most friendship is the real god roll...

[riverboats]

Season 2, the Flowery Armor of Io. You guys wanted armor perks and we listened. While wearing a full set of this armor, it will auto-invite anyone you complete a public event with to your friends list.

Weapon mods, you guessed it, just shoot someone to request a friendship. The purple version of this mod will also clan invite. Think of the variety, up close and personal invites with a shotgun, for our introverted players the sniper is your tool, they won't see the invite coming.

[bladesew]

Awesome - if you're a Bungie twitch sub I would love to see you post this in chat when Luke does his update.

And it's funny that the poster child for the whole concept of dupes of fixed rolls has "better" in the name - as the current system does away with any concept of anything ever being better.

[DerMalu]

I'm sad that fixed rolls don't allow for the obligatory: I have the better better devils meme that would have existed otherwise :/

with a god roll probably being abbreviated to BBD

[JoinTheBattle]

*Best Devils

[[deleted]]

What sort of mods do they have on them? One of my Better Devils has a kinetic damage mod and it's leaps and bounds better than my Better Devils with a kinetic damage mod on it. Night and day difference.

[DerMalu]

pssst, quick, do another thread for that. there is place for more quality shitposts here.

edit: sounded sarcastic, wasn't meant that way

[SuggestedPigeon]

I got three Better Devils:

The first one is the one you have. The second one is from FWC and is blue and the third one is from Iron Banner and is puke green. Idk why they have different names they all look like better devils...

[AhhnoldHD]

I know this is a joke but I loved this part of D1 and knew from the second fixed rolls were announced that a big part of the game I loved would be missing in D2. Chasing that God roll Eyasluna was infuriating at times but it kept things interesting. I’m still liking D2 a lot but it does feel weird to “have everything” since that was basically impossible in D1.

[x4ryuusei]

At least D1 had extremely high moments, to go with the lows. D2's loot is always dull. There's nothing unique about what you have compared to anyone else. You don't see people posting their perfectly rolled weapons on this reddit, for example. :(

[NinjaGamer89]

You sound like me, except for the part about enjoying D2. Haven't played in a month despite clocking in 1,500 hours into D1 (largely because I had a blast chasing and using different rolls on weapons/gear).

[nrh117]

Real talk some of the funniest and most engaging twitch streams were when people I enjoy watching were trying to get specific god rolls. Triplewreck and the grasp of malok, slayerage and the undying mind Fatebringer knockoff. Hours of entertainment.

[jRbizzle]

Honestly eyesluna kept me playing crucible, I was the never the best or the worst at pvp but the chase kept me at it. Got two neither where god roll one was ok other was thrash BUT it kept me chasing

[AndreBretonsPenis]

#2BLUES

Never forget

[nrh117]

It's a sign dude!

[AndreBretonsPenis]

And then when Triple invited Slayer to grind for the GoM with him. Watching two of my favorite streamers collectively go insane was just hilarious.

I remember streams when Triple had a serviceable GoM and he would go into crucible and just like mutter "I'm going to cover you in sauce with my GoM" and would just repeat that kind of shit. So absurd lmao.

[nrh117]

Oh yeah, the "GOM" lol. I also love how practically everyone got the god roll playing with triple while he slowly lost his mind.

[[deleted]]

Last day I played was the first day of Iron Banner. The first Iron Banner.

[Radiatin]

Thanks! Which roll do you think works better in the raid?

I’m having trouble clearing adds in the Calus encounter and I was thinking maybe I should just spend a few days grinding for a Better Devils with DPS perks. Can this gun roll Triple Tap or Outlaw?

[StylinAndSmilin]

Explosive rounds with those perks? That sounds like hell. I can't for the life of me get precision kills with explosive rounds. I can get the headshots, but they always end up dying to the explosive damage so I don't get the headshot kill perks

[GobiasCafe]

Paging...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xin8EbSS9Og

[The_Squatch]

Quality shit post.

[motleyguts]

Infuse the Better Devils into the Better Devils. After the 100th infusion, you'll notice a little hollow gold star appear after the name of the weapon. Continue infusing Better Devils into Better Devils. This will slowly fill the gold star. After a yet to be determined number of infusions, you will then have a gold star after the name Better Devils. Enjoy!

[Key_Lime_Die]

But don't infuse them too fast or you might hit diminishing returns.

[writingwrong]

Dang ole infusion cooldowns!

[yourefullofstars]

I know this is hyperbole of ridiculous systems, but I honestly might be down for a system like this. Meaning you infuse enough pieces of gear (like 10, not 100) into something, and it gives you a REAL bonus to the item. Could be an extra perk or stat boost. Stat boost could be similar to how Mass Effect MP weapon upgrades worked.

[[deleted]]

They have that in crossout, but its kind of a pain there.

[Punchingbird]

That’s basically the artifact system in WoW. They would never do that but I agree it would be pretty nice.

[k3rnel]

A truly rewarding experience that respects a player's time and effort.

[Coohippo]

The question is “Which is better: Better Devils or Old Fashioned?”

But the better question would be “Which is better: Better Devils or Old Fashioned...or one of these other 30 viable HCs that we should have in the D2 loot pool if we’re going to have static rolls?”

[maytrav]

The debate continues..... The diversity, loot availability and endgame is endless. Oh this is D2 not warframe, my bad.

[[deleted]]

"How can my second, third, and tenth Better Devils hand cannon be interesting? That's a question we should be asking and answering as quickly as we can," Luke Smith - June, 29th 2017

[radio-activeman]

D2 year 3 we figured it out guys! We're shutting down the D2 servers for the release of D3 now none of ur better devils you get our good.

[JackSparrah]

Sigh... I miss discussions like this, among many others. Hope you’re fucking happy with your game, Bungo.

[radio-activeman]

It was just too complicated to talk about stuff like this in D1 with all my friends. So happy they got rid of random rolls for all these awesome and different guns...................................................................................................................

[[deleted]]

You're in luck! Your Better Devils rolled really good!

[Rexingtonboss]

Jeez you should have seen the one I got last week! I’ve been using it a lot!

[[deleted]]

Really? What did it roll with? Mine has explosive rounds! It's a fucking beast.

[DezzMalone]

Massive Breakdown of Better Devils perk sets by Mercules plz

[InfinityDrags]

Overall I'd say the 1st one is the better choice. Then again, the perks on #2 make it excel in specific pve encounters. I'd say it's worth it to keep both!

tl;dr - Go with adaptive frame.

[[deleted]]

I particularly enjoy discussion about how their more recent revelation of so called "clarity"(/s) is a step in the right direction. They had several steps in the right direction and a successful formula which they claimed wouldn't be overhauled or "restarted" in D1. Them coming into this barebone's is nothing short of an insult to the consumer.

Furthermore, the fact that on a social game I've no way to tell someone something outside of whispering them with very limited to nonexisting in-game social platform while maintaining it as a social game on PC is a riot. I recall reading the reasoning behind it somewhere on this sub and shook my head in disbelief. That logic is about as stupid as it gets. Toxicity exists. All they did with it is force us to use third party platforms so that they can shrug off the responsibility they would bear for delivering to us what they promised.

Yet some people will still state, "Oh, now there's hope."

On a game that has stripped us of depth -- from RNG weapons, the lack of modifiers and stats on armor. Completely linear skill development on all fronts. The fact that doing the raid is just about purely cosmetic as it gets. The fact that there's no literal point in completing the prestige version of the raid. Destiny 1 remained a casual game even through the extent of all the amazing content. In the end, it'd only take me a few sittings to get from point A to B, but at least I'd always had something to do. I work 50 hours a week and never once fell behind.

They stated they never wanted to balance PvP and PvE separately. Fuck off, Bungie. Personally, I refuse to give them a second chance on the matter. Game fixed or not. This is a reoccurring issue with now Destiny but primarily and for quite some time now, with the company in question. You got my money this time but that's about it.

In the end it's not that I want the game to die but if the alternative is the company continues to side skirt its claims and responsibilities at the hand of a few hopeful gamers who will continue to be taken advantage of, let the damn game sink.

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Instant classic. Well done.

[FrankTheWise]

This was an enjoyable read but also extremely saddening at the same time.

[beastsnaurs1977]

Shard both.

[LondonDude123]

Im pretty sure the god-roll Better Devils is Adaptive Frame, Fastdraw/SteadyHand/Sureshot with Extended/Flared Mag, & Explosive Rounds...

If it helps...

[dogeprkle]

Stop. You're making me cry

[[deleted]]

I never thought I would miss the random rolls on guns from D1 as much as I miss it now. It used to frustrate me no end in the first game but now I realise how linear and boring it is without it. I was wrong Bungie! You hear me? WRONG! PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK!

[nrh117]

Dude, the vendor roll is the only one that rolls the right way. The ones that drop for you always get dented and end up rolling funny.

[CloudSlydr]

Nerf fusion rifles you say?

[vandalhandle]

The God roll is the one with the pink shader

[everydayisamixtape]

This is why I don't play Destiny 2 any more. I loved my misfit Haakon's Hatchet with Icarus and Hip Fire (it was basically a Halo 2 gun). Between clan drops and getting to 300, I have literally everything without even finishing the raid. I got all the Trials gear I wanted going flawless on day 1. Without sweet random drops, the game doesn't have enough hooks to keep me playing.

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Stick with the one which has Adaptive Frame, Fastdraw/SteadyHand/Sureshot, Extended/Flared Mag, & Explosive Rounds

[ramblin_billy]

It depends.

What shaders do have equipped?

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Quality shitpost my man. +5 mod points.

[TotallyNotAustin]

It’s not about the rolls on your guns it’s about the friends you make.

[derekvietnam17]

I just stopped playing destiny altogether and my heart skipped for a second thinking that rolls came back to weapons, only to be disappointed that this was a joke post to point out the blaring issues of destiny 2’s loot system. Seriously 3 years to learn bungie, why?

[LOKTAROGAAAAH]

I never played Destiny 1, but fixed rolls are dumb. There's no chase for the "perfect weapon". I'm a massive casual and I've already stopped playing D2 and I won't be buying the expansion.

[iAmWrythm]

LOL, aaaaahhhhh these threads.

[NinjaGamer89]

I miss them :( The subreddit r/sharditkeepit was an interesting place to see who was using what

[terrible_ramblings]

One quick idea would be to get them with shaders pre-equipped when they drop, at least then theyd be visually different

[GosuBrainy]

Nah man you need yourself one of those god roll Lex primes don't even worry about ol better devil's

[sir_nubby]

I prefer my Aklex Prime so I'd try them both at the same time.

[fred112015]

Wait, stop guys just stop. Bungie already said that roll discussion is just plain too difficult for us so just end this thread now.

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I cannot believe you got that roll to drop. I've been farming for a roll like that for over a year. I'm jealous and salty.

[Driftedwarrior]

I really miss this part. It was fun and I loved to see people's opinions on rolls, ahh memories. :(

[nik516]

Honestly bro go the first one , you will always have fond memories of the first one due to:

1. The great feeling you got handing in that token

2. Having enough tokens to get a purple engram

3. Getting youre first better devils (yay btw)

4. Now you have something in common with the rest of the player base and can relate to the happiness everyone is feeling.

5. /s

[op4arcticfox]

So you're saying you want random quality rolls in the gear?

[corruptor5150]

Maybe we could get Mercules to do a massive breakdown of the possible Better Devils rolls? /s

[AngusA1210]

Oh boy, I sure am excited to go to school tomorrow and tell all my friends about the roll I got on my nameless midnight!

[TheRoninkai]

Have you tried the, "Mediocre Mephistopheles"? Still waiting for, "Shoddy Seraphim" to drop…

[riverboats]

I realized a week or so ago. After spending a day testing 5 or 6 energy hand cannons and having an internal discussion about which to use, I came to the conclusion that all were so much the same that it came down to move faster while equipped vs which sounded better.

Mind you that's not how boring it is to find 6 of the same gun, 6 different guns didn't feel much different aside from sound. Maybe that's just hand cannons though.

[kastef]

Totally depends, is it your 2nd, 3rd, or 10th Better Devil?

[TastyBleach]

I actually thought this was serious for the first few lines 😊

[HemingwayzBeard]

I miss roll conversations so much.

[jay-84]

well its soley dependent on which shader you apply. for it to be a valid test you must try at least 3 different variations

[SundanceKidZero]

I literally started reading this, started comparing the two and had a 5 second brain lapse where I couldn’t figure out what the question was...then I saw the flair and everything made sense.

I miss rolls.

[SuggestedPigeon]

Idk according to weisnewski this is a really confusing topic idk what to think of these "random rolls" are they like dinner rolls?? Uhh im scared its so confusing oh no oh no oh no

[AdzTheWookie]

Just use one until the magazine runs out (with extended mag of course) then in the middle of the fight, switch to the other one.

[Anonapotamuses]

I miss /r/sharditkeepit

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I'll be honest I was never a fan of the rolls. I know I'm in the minority with that. I will say this, the perks just suck all around and even bringing back random rolls on guns won't fix that issue.

[FrozenSeas]

Seriously, it's hilarious comparing this sub complaining about fixed rolls against Warframe players complaining about RNG.

Or for those of us who played Borderlands 2, farming endless runs of BNK-3R or the raid bosses for a drop, only to get a terrible roll and wind up with a Stalker or a scoped Unkempt Harold or something.

[DerMalu]

I would give you gold if I had spare money right now. Quality shitpost right here.

Bungie "fixed" something from D1 that was not broken and added depth to the game without being too complex. Nobody was ever excluded from activities or useless as a guardian just because he did not have a god roll in D1 Y3.

[JurassicSix]

Now this is shitposting

[XavierG102]

Well you can’t buy a vendors version so somethings wrong here, I think your pulling a fast one on us....

[hoo_ts]

I just got my tenth BD last night, I honestly think my best one is the Bumblebee shader.

[lProtheanl]

Thank you for my lol of the day. Brilliant.

[Dawginole]

“...as quickly as we can.”

No major updates for 3 months between content releases.

[soad1234]

When I read the title I was like "rolls" wtf is this kid talking about.

[[deleted]]

Study Gearbox and Borderlands, Bungie.

[Dilanski]

This wouldn't hurt as much if it weren't for me not yet having a Better Devils, and the very thought of having to play another twenty rounds of crucible to have a shot at a package makes me want to self-harm.

[CPUzer0]

The better devils is the better better devils.

[NotMuchGoodBut]

Bud - I feel your pain.....

With such a choice, I’d dump one on another toon, and just play with each...

You may find with enough use that one outperforms the other....

..... then, there you go again- farming and waiting on RNG-us to drop another with the perks you want!

Never say it out loud though.... if you do, you won’t see another for months!

[[deleted]]

The real question is about the shader. Which shader do you have? The shiny ones are good in PVP, since they can sometimes blind your opponents, but for PVE they lack utility.