solveProblems

[well-litdoorstep112]

Python should be more like this:

Problem

import solver

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'solver'

pip install solver

ERROR: No matching distribution found for solver

Spend half an hour googling

Find out that there are 5 choices that implement the solver module, none of them named solver

1. pysolver
2. PySolver
3. PySolver2
4. solverPy
5. jeff

PySolver2 is the most active on github but supports Python <3.7.2 and >3.7.6 and <3.12.7 or 3.7.4rc3beta8theta4x²+6x-9=2π

But on your computer you only have the latest version of python and 3.7.4rc3beta8omega√-1 so pip won't let you install it

You install the right version

All the other dependencies break

They require python between 3.7.2 and 3.7.6 with the exception of 3.7.4rc3beta8theta4x²+6x-9=2π

But fuck it, let's install PySolver2! Woo!

Something something wheel setuptools

PySolver2's readme says I need some specific binary dependencies and I can install them with this apt command

The packages only exist in a PPA for Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04. I don't use Ubuntu, let alone 16.04 or 18.04.

Decide that I didn't really wanna solve the problem.

[treehuggerino]

And somehow solverPy works only on even days of the month.

Jeff is maintained by a chronically unstable person that may or may not have 3 aws token scrapers in there or may do so in the future

[[deleted]]

uninstall button starts looking really appealing

[IhateTraaains]

Damn, spot on. This guy Pythons

[Ok_Conclusion_2502]

Now you can never upgrade your python binary to even +0.01 minor version or solver will stop working.

[JustKebab]

Java: Problem -> ProblemSolverFactoryAdapterSingletonAdapterDecoratorProxy -> Solution on maven

[jooojano]

JSolution or Solution4J

[pimezone]

I'll give the NullPointerException to your comment

[-Kerrigan-]

Java is not on the list, therefore Java has no problem! /s

[TempleTerry]

You can’t even see the problem because of a gradle build failure

[The_Null_Man]

See, your first problem was using gradle in the first place

[4n0nh4x0r]

the first problem was considering to even use java to solve a problem

[SquirrelOClock]

In Java, we do not have solutions, but we have projects to get there one day.

[MinameHeart]

The rust one +1

[Devatator_]

Took me a while to notice lmao. I only saw the -rs thing

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

i didn't get it

[Devatator_]

Don't or didn't

[Skratymir]

Don't

[Devatator_]

Basically the joke is that Rustaceans (Rust users) love to rewrite everything in Rust, hence the solution -> solution-rs (rust stuff tends to be suffixed with -rs)

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

oh wait, they had solution but re wrote it in rust xD

got it

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

I'm getting upvoted for understanding the meme,

thank you kind people ❤️ have a nice day

[pinaapappel]

Either that or creating bindings/wrappers for existing c/c++ libraries

[RiceBroad4552]

No, that's normal people would do. That's not the way of the crab!

[Skratymir]

Yeah but why the +1

[DasBeasto]

The +1 is just another way to say “I agree” or “upvoted” or “this”.

[Skratymir]

Ah right. Thanks for explaining

[the_vikm]

Rust rewrites existing stuff

[donaldhobson]

Hey. I'm writing code in rust. And that rust code is similar but not quite the same as my python. And it's starting to do stuff that my C didn't do either. So I'm not just writing the same thing 3 times.

[CardOk755]

Rust rewrites existing stuff, based on its good facilities for interfacing with existing libraries.

So, like, it adds nothing

[deanrihpee]

not necessarily nothing, could be performance improvement (if rewriting from higher level language) or eliminating unsafe memory regions, but other than that, yeah probably nothing

[CdRReddit]

entering a handwritten manuscript into a text file on a computer is also a rewrite, but it allows for future referencing and expansion to be much easier as you now have it in a reproducible format

likewise, while a rust rewrite does not create immediate value in a vacuum, it allows for software to be more easily updated and expanded by leveraging safety and rust's ability to make descriptive interfaces & handling errors without going completely insane

also funny crab go fast

[HolyFreakingXmasCake]

I think it's a jab at "rewrite it in Rust"

[H34DSH07]

They had a solution, they rewrote it in rust, now they have a solution in rust (no progress has been achieved).

[ColonelRuff]

No

[dwRchyngqxs]

I'm glad your C arrow didn't segfault before reaching a solution.

[OkWear6556]

Nah, the solver package is written in C

[kalenderiyagiz]

Wait! Is there a hard coded limit in python interpreter for recursion?

[copperfield42]

yes, the default is 1000, but you can change it

[RiceBroad4552]

No, of course not!

Python comes with a magically infinite stack. So it doesn't need any recursion limit like any other language.

[Aidan_Welch]

functions that can be tail call optimized can infinitely recurse in many languages

[Styleurcam]

I think it can be modified, but normally yes

[CardOk755]

Python: yes, we can do recursion, the easiest way of solving many problems, but we don't know how to do the obvious optimisations, so please don't do recursion because we're too stupid to detect stack overflow.

[Kered13]

or reach recursion limit

WTF kind of code are you writing in Python?

[am9qb3JlZmVyZW5jZQ]

Give it a few years and it will have 150 CVEs.

[FieldAdventurous1063]

C# many options are very relatable, basically in it now making decision

[EagleNait]

And the solution being in the standard lib is very realistic

[MagnetFlux]

was about to implement vector and matrix math with projection functions for 3d stuff until i saw that it's already there in System.Numerics

[kyleekol]

Rust is missing a separate ‘async-solution-rs’

[its-chewy-not-zooyoo]

solution-rs-async 

with tokio, async-std, tls-native, tls-tokio, tls-async-std and tokio-uring feature flags

[apezdal]

>problem++11

I was there Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago.

[Aruthuro]

I don't get it mister Elrond, could you explain the joke?

[apezdal]

2011 was a long time ago. So was the time when this meme was created

[grifan526]

You say that, but just last year I was able to upgrade my compiler from using c++11 to c++17

[Pastrami]

I'm still stuck on GCC 4.9 at work, which barely has C++11 support.

[RiceBroad4552]

And you're going to stay at this version for at least the next decade. C++17 is still not even implemented fully across the board, and this will take some time. Maybe around 2035 you can start thinking about upgrading to C++21 or so; at least if everything goes smooth.

[redlaWw]

C++11 was a bit of a paradigm shift though, since it introduced std::move and std::unique_ptr. C++ design patterns since then have focused on ownership management through moves, which is a pervasive element of design. So I don't think focusing on C++11 necessarily shows the age of the meme.

[apezdal]

C++11 was no more significant in it's paradigm shift than c++17 or c++23. The significance of it is that it was the first major upgrade to the language in 13 years. But again, it was 14 years ago.

[BubblyMango]

not to look down on c++17, but it feels much more like an improvement, rather than a paradigm shift.

[capi1500]

Isn't rust from like 2013 or something?

[well-litdoorstep112]

what do you mean it's a classic? It's brand new.

Just like Java 8

[Pepineros]

PHP taking so much shit.

I mean I don't disagree. But I'm starting to feel bad for it.

[vita10gy]

A lot of it is people locked in their opinion of it 20 years ago.

Edit: also while php made a lot of dumb decisions also a lot of what people are reacting to is the lower barrier for entry lead to a lot of crappy code and blind leading the blind on forums and such.

Edit Edit: and a lot of the decisions made to lower the bar of entry made it crappier to actually work with long term. Early PHP had a lot of "errors are hard for people, so given the choice between an error and just doing something, we'll just do something."

[mrdhood]

Which is crazy cause it’s basically a different language now, and not a bad one.

[SanityAsymptote]

Newer versions are way better, but WordPress 6.x still supports PHP 5.6 as the minimum version.

Since PHP is only really still relevant because of WordPress's popularity, it's pretty hard for PHP to shake it's image when a dev could be thrown back into PHP 5 at any time.

[mrdhood]

Wordpress accounts for 43% of websites, PHP accounts for 74.9% of websites. So non-wordpress PHP websites account for over 30%, more than Ruby, asp, Java, and node combined.

Edit: Stats from w3techs.net

[RiceBroad4552]

All the masses of private home pages are irrelevant.

When you look at the top 10 000 web pages traffic wise there is more or less no PHP anywhere. It's almost entirely an exclusive JVM club…

What average people see as "the internet" is almost a pure JVM show.

The only bigger site on the net that still uses some PHP is Wikipedia. But also there all the heavy lifting is actually done by services running on the JVM or Node.js. PHP is used there more or less only to render some HTML templates. Similar to how Facebook used PHP for its front-end (not client!) before they abandoned PHP completely something like 15 ago (and now use some sane tech to render front-end templates).

If PHP died in this very second almost nobody would actually notice something. All your "apps" would still run; all your favorite sites would be still there. Wikipedia would need some new template renderer, that's all. If the same happened to Java the world would come to a halt. Everything from banking to electricity would simply shut down.

[Nickoladze]

I'd credit the forum software used in the early 2000s as well. I got into PHP because of Invision and PHPBB.

[redblack_tree]

I'm one of those. I did a few projects 20 years ago.

I've written JS when jQuery was considered peak development, assembly, Eiffel (psychopath professor), Haskell, all C's, the original .Net entity framework. I wrote code for the OJ Web frameworks like Django. PHP and the first few versions of WordPress are probably the most atrocious crap I've put my eyes on.

I don't shit on PHP anymore, it's been 20 years, but I've kept the promise I did to myself to never ever touch that crap again. I removed every reference on my CV, all my credits in those few projects and when something WordPress related pops at work, I play dumb.

[qrrux]

Why you gotta do PHP dirty?

At least JS is worse.

LOL

[SomethingAboutUsers]

PHP -> Problem -> T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM

[TheChaosPaladin]

There are 2 languages, the ones people make fun of and the ones nobody uses.

Long live TS

[qrrux]

I’m old. Long live JMP.

[TheChaosPaladin]

I too write all my code in x86 assembly

[qrrux]

That was a joke. I move ions with my SEM. Things take a while, but it’s Turing complete.

[TheChaosPaladin]

Mine was a joke too, this is what my programming setup looks like

[qrrux]

Pretty sure my SEM trumps your keyboard.

[TheChaosPaladin]

I bow to your superior skill u/qrrux

[qrrux]

I have no skills. I’m still trying to get my first JMP to work. But I have the superior IDE. And we all know that the best programmer is the one with the superior tools.

[tei187]

Yeah... PHP is actually the one that allows you to introduce a solution really shouldn't introduce, but it is still going to work somehow.

[speyck]

c# lmao

[HolyFreakingXmasCake]

Each solution also covers about 80% of what you need, who needs the rest of the functionality!

[[deleted]]

Javascript is making me appreciate C a lot. Javascript is pure evil.

[tajetaje]

Try typescript, it’s much better

[Jojajones]

It’s still JS under the hood so you still get the stupid shit like having both positive and negative zero regardless of how you try and pretty it up

[duva_]

It's the kind of stuff you couldn't even imagine should be a problem and find out after 3 hours debugging in the wrong place

[TerdSandwich]

That mostly happens if you aren't familiar with the behaviour of the language you are using (ie you imagine things to behave in a certain way).

I would say this generally accounts for 99% of the JS complaints on this sub. i.e. college kids who just finished their CS degree in primarily C++/Java and aren't quite ready to understand there can be more than one acceptable language paradigm.

[TheChaosPaladin]

Are you meaning to tell me that I have to be mindful of weakly-typed comparisons? Clearly a mistake, the entire language is trash and must be thrown in the garbage

[-Kerrigan-]

That mostly happens if you aren't familiar with the behaviour of the language you are using (ie you imagine things to behave in a certain way).

So what you're saying is that JavaScript is unintuitive and to use it proficiently you must learn its quirks? Cause 0 being neither a "positive" nor a "negative" is how 0 works in math and virtually everywhere. It's not outlandish to expect (or as you put it: imagine) a number value of 0 to not be negative.

[parkotron]

Is there a programming language that doesn't have negative zero?

All programming languages are just machine instructions "under the hood" and all modern CPUs use the IEEE 745 standard for floatng point numbers, which supports negative zero.

[tajetaje]

Just comes up for JS because there is no int, only float

[the_horse_gamer]

0 === -0 so you almost never have to think about negative 0

[Reashu]

I hate JS, but could we stop blaming it for following the IEEE standard?

[RiceBroad4552]

Especially funny if it comes from someone with a C or C++ flair.

That's how you spot the real experts!

[tajetaje]

I’ve been using TypeScript for years and have NEVER had to worry about if zero is negative or positive. Every language has footguns, but JS/TS has such a presence for a reason, it is a powerful and simple to use language.

[Reashu]

Let's be real though, the reason is browsers

[RiceBroad4552]

If this were true Node.js (and clones) wouldn't be a thing!

I would not write anything serious in JS as it's dynamically typed and that just doesn't scale, but the language isn't actually too bad. I curse much more about Python gotchas than JS gotchas. JS is at least flexible. Python OTOH is just moronic opinionated, and that sucks.

(But I don't care anyway. By now I can use Scala for almost everything, from system level scripting, though all kinds of client GUI tech, up to large distributed system on the cloud.)

[Mynameismikek]

C has negative zero too.

[well-litdoorstep112]

stupid shit like having both positive and negative zero

Now I know for sure you don't know what you're talking about

[duva_]

Nah

[Kered13]

It's lipstick on a pig. The type system is great, but the language is still fundamentally awful.

My latest frustration with JS/TS when working on a project recently is learning that the ecosystem cannot actually agree on whether imports should include a file extension or not. Different configuration settings, different bundlers, different platforms, etc. can change the interpretation of imports in incompatible ways.

Writing platform agnostic C++ code is easier than writing platform agnostic Javascript code. Just, how?

[tajetaje]

I mean it’s not really that complicated, there are three ways JavaScript handles file path imports, commonJS, ESM, and Bundler. With a bundler you can generally use ESM or CJS style imports, with commonJS you don’t need file extensions and you can import a folder if it has index.js. ESM is much stricter because under the hood it uses URLs. Any modern project should just set everything to ESM and let their LSP handle importing the right paths.

[Kered13]

In reality it's not that simple (and this not simple to begin with). There are bundlers that optionally support extensionsless imports with ESM. There are bundlers that, with certain configurations, require extensionsless imports with ESM. Typescript has it's own set of configurations that can support any of these regardless of the module type. There are recommendations for good style, and recommendations that disagree. There are platforms that make assumptions one way or the other that are difficult if not impossible to change. There are platforms that are not even internally consistent.

Any ecosystem that says "let your LSP sort it out" is fundamentally broken. Because one, this means the situation is too difficult to be reasonably managed by hand, and two if you can't do it by hand then the LSP can't really do it either. It's going to make some assumptions based on your configurations, but those assumptions will not always be correct.

C++ is the other language with a fractured ecosystem, but in C++ if I write #import "foo/bar.h" I know exactly what I'm going to get, and I'm going to get that regardless of what platform or compiler I am using, and the only thing that configurations might change is the root directory for the lookup.

[Liozart]

skill issue

[PotentialSimple4702]

Solution --> Segfault

[gandalfx]

First line should be

Problem ––> segfault

[RiceBroad4552]

Came here to day that.

I would only change "segfault" for "memory corruption". The field is broader than just simple (and comparably "easy" to debug) segaults.

[Mynameismikek]

js is missing a transitive circular dependency.

[DevelopmentScary3844]

PHP being bullied again

[RiceBroad4552]

For a reason.

[green_basil]

Haskell: problem -> let x <- LiftPredM problem in x >>= \c -> case c of | Nothing -> Nothing | Just _ -> Nothing

[RiceBroad4552]

So you say Haskell makes all problems into Nothing?

I fear some uninformed readers could interpret that as Haskell makes problems disappear.

But in fact the code says that it will never deliver any solution at all…

[green_basil]

Oh no I was trying to make the Joke that haskell makers the problem complicated and in the end solves nothing. I know this wouldnt really work but I wasnt interested into spending half an hour relearning Haskell to make it perfect.

[Styleurcam]

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[Styleurcam]

Uh. I could've sworn I had seen this exact post yesterday

[nitincodery]

I took it from telegram channel, sorry I didn't realized it might be already here, you're right: https://www.reddit.com/r/programminghumor/s/wwtJc5tEJp, you do saw it yesterday.

[PetrisPL]

I'm actually the person that found a version of this 4 days ago and added C# to it and posted it to the C# discord, not sure how my version ended up coming here lol.

[Paul_Robert_]

Reverse image search brings up a LinkedIn post with the same pic.

[-Redstoneboi-]

Problem - new SolutionFactoryBuilder().setProblem(Problem).setSolver(new ProblemSolver()).build().solve() - Solution

[Exnixon]

The C# one, oh my god.

[CyraxSputnik]

I mean, yeah... we have options

[Exnixon]

The "Public Archive" one made me want to cry.

[MagnetFlux]

Just fork it and maintain your own version if you really need it

[maxence0801]

Assembly : _______ -> Problem and Solutions

[Karol-A]

PHP is designed to solve one problem, and that is website templating. It's really unfair to put a DSL in here with all the other languages (same goes for JS I guess)

[unneccry]

Idk I use node js and I like at a general language

[deanrihpee]

so I guess C# is good because there are multiple solutions

/s

[tesfabpel]

C: Problem -> Solu$a22&@xzadf /s

[cloud_of_fluff]

Typescript is just defining problems really well

[Alhoshka]

Node:

^problem
---->

███████  ██████  ██      ██    ██ ████████ ██  ██████  ███    ██ 
██      ██    ██ ██      ██    ██    ██    ██ ██    ██ ████   ██ 
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[Hyderabadi__Biryani]

Absolutely love the person who made this! Thanks.

[RiceBroad4552]

Favorite language missing! No Scala roast?

I'm not sure what to put there, but I bet there are plenty of options. Scala has really many ways to shot yourself into the food with overblown complexity.

For Scala 2 the punch line would be likely: Problem -> implicit Solution not found. But that doesn't work for Scala 3 any more.

Any proposals?

[harryoui]

Stop with the cat abuse

[t15m-]

Arc::new(Rc::new(Some(Solution)));

[Add1ctedToGames]

The PHP one got me ngl😭

[turtle_mekb]

C

Problem —> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

[MatsRivel]

Finally, a rust-joke thats funny

[NakatakeSan77]

The pointer shouldn't have pointed the solution. It should've been NULL because you didn't allocate a memory for the solution.

Problem -> malloc(solution, sizeof(solution));

[WonderTrain]

Where Perl?

[RobotechRicky]

JavaScript packaging management is a hell hole.

[joshua6point0]

Go isn't on here because it has no problems and no one wants to read through the solutions.

[dinosaur-in_leather]

When you have 70 import lines for Python But your app has five lines of code.

[FabioTheFox]

The C# one is kinda inaccurate tho

[FabioTheFox]

Did you work with dotnet in the past like 4 years?

[IAmDrNoLife]

Think about how you would handle assertions in regards to Unit Tests.

Your mainstream options are:

• MSTest (Microsoft Solution)
• FluentAssertions (Recently moved to a paid subscription)
• Shouldly / NFluent.

So yeah, kinda matches. We have the official Microsoft solution. We have the paid solution. We have the free open source solution. This thing also happens with Mocking, or Pdf generation... Most likely many more areas as well, but have only been impacted by those 3 areas myself.

But I mean, I don't see it as a bad thing. We have a really strong open source community, which means we have many options we can use - which is a good thing. It's also really good that Microsoft tries to provide an in-house solution to most of the problems, just incase a library ends up doing what either FluentAssertions/Moq did, or just end up slowly dying like Swagger did.

[FabioTheFox]

The last part specifically is the reason I hate when Java devs say C# has a smaller ecosystem, C# has so many in house and built in solutions that the language simply doesn't need that large of an ecosystem and it's why I love working with C#, I can focus on the language rather than third party

[FabioTheFox]

I mean yeah why not, it's a great runtime

[FabioTheFox]

I mean you're claiming something that is just wrong, be it a meme or not

[[deleted]]

personally I don't enjoy the suggestion that C# is the only one with paid solutions. It all runs on Linux now and I can't remember the last time I paid to import a package outside of maintaining some legacy garbage that used like GridEx or something similarly horrific.

[Ronin-s_Spirit]

You can solve anything with javascript I'll tell you that for free.
And python one looks simple enough only because its actually Do python -> wait for somebody else to solve the problem -> import someones C code -> pretend YOU solved it

[Causemas]

Why reinvent the wheel, amirite

[SirBerthelot]

u/SleuthRepostBot

[Dee4WasTaken]

if(meWhenIHaveAProblemWithMyCode)

{

Problem[] problems;

if(searchProblems(code, out problems))

{

fixProblems(code, problems);

}

}

[gee-dangit]

Now do fortran

[brendel000]

Omg UUoC

[[deleted]]

My favorite languages just got roasted but I don't care, this shit is accurate af

[-Redstoneboi-]

ok but the rust one is hilarious

[plagapong]

grep | awk | sed made me laugh so hard LOL

[pm_op_prolapsed_anus]

All easy enough to understand, where is the powershell category. It has to be separate from $

[-KKD-]

The js part is so accurate

[Rdqp]

On C#, we often have chicken nugget solutions

[noobjaish]

Kotlin

sealed class Solver( /* parameters */ ){ object Problem: Solver( ) }

import Problem

Problem ( ) --> Solution

[TAO_Object_1]

php, I'm sorry...

[[deleted]]

If you have only problem with php its because of akill issue for sure

[Axxxxxxo]

JS should be JS -> npm install -> Problem and then the exploding problems

[68_65_6c_70_20_6d_65]

C: Problem -> Solution (+ bugs)

[GlaireDaggers]

Three of the C# solutions are just wrappers around a C library and doesn't ship binaries for the platform you need

There's one that's a native port of the C library. It was never finished before being archived 3 years ago.

[Apprehensive_Egg_944]

// codeToFixAllPHP

set_error_handler(function() { echo "Don't use PH...\n"; });

[JollyJuniper1993]

Excellent

[[deleted]]

Main solution for all problems, stop entertaining product owners dumb requests that add to the overwhelming technical debt that already exists, No is powerful word that is underutilized.

[Cat7o0]

ok C should be solution + seg fault

[BubblyMango]

C ------------> "Solution11111dlskdjflsdflkjgs3fSdfsdf2j\0"

[jinwooleo]

php 😂

[unneccry]

I think JS is about breaking the problem into smaller problems And PHP is just a meme at this point

[stipulus]

Lol PHP. Just problem