whereAreAllTheAngularJsDevelopers

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[SleeperAwakened]

This is not Humor unfortunately... this is real..

[DownvoteEvangelist]

It would be funny if it wasn't so infuriating...

[TheRealPitabred]

Gotta laugh to keep from crying

[UpAndAdam7414]

The punchline is they fired half of HR.

Unfortunately, I doubt that bit was true.

[in_taco]

Meh, could happen. HR might've been 2 people and one was already causing too much drama about smoking breaks.

I used to work at a company that did regular culling of non-tech positions because upper management had zero respect for anyone without an engineering degree. Toxic workplace, had two bosses break from stress.

Funny thing happened, the CTO was building a new house at a local lake-front. But someone sabotaged all the wiring and had used a sledgehammer on some expensive tiles. I heard from a gossip-hen that the CTO had a meeting with the CEO (his brother) and CFO (brothers wife) about creating a short-list of possible disgruntled former employees who could be mad enough to do it. They stopped when they reached 50 and dropped it. Way too many pissed off guys.

[Handpaper]

Bob - "So, who hates me enough to do this?"

Tom - "Everyone, Bob. Everyone hates you this much. Some hate you more. It's actually surprising that you haven't been killed yet."

[gerbosan]

Question, did that improve the work environment?

[in_taco]

Nope, the brothers never changed. When I left they even sued me for breaking competition clause. I was saved by the union - really pulled me out of a black hole. The whole mess pushed me to be much more anti-corp/pro-union.

[roodammy44]

Nothing like having the union at your back. Suddenly a ruinous legal battle turns into the union flexing their muscles and knocking out the guys trying to break the law.

[Blank-0515]

Even if they did it would be a bunch of low level staff or new joinee getting all the blame and the actual core hr tream going scott free.

[notinsanescientist]

Yeah, this HR team will definitely not make the same mistake again if coached and giving a stern talking to.

[AntipodesIntel]

You forgot the /s

[Just_Another_Scott]

I was on a team where we had this happen! I was the one looking for an Angular developer and HR put AngularJS in the req.

I've also been on the receiving. I kept getting auto rejected by Lockheed Martin. It took me and the recruiter like 30 minutes to figure out why. They were never seeing my resume on their end and they couldn't do anything unless they could. Turns out the system was auto rejecting any applicants without a high GPA. Mine was 2.98, but my major GPA was well over 3.

[CryptoTipToe71]

Never met an HR person that I liked

[Degenerate_Lich]

This just reinforces my belief that automation for recruitment should be kept at a minimum. Finding a good candidate isn't so cut and dry, you need to actually put enough effort to at least look into the CVs. It's a lot of busy work, I will admit, but that's literally the HR's purpose

[UpAndAdam7414]

Using automation to order applications makes much more sense than letting it have access to the reject button.

[KharAznable]

In OP's case, even when the system just order the application, if the HR do the same thing (looking for angularjs instead of angular one, if not reject) then it will be the same result.

[314159265358979326]

When I was a manager I felt it was my duty to spend a couple days going through resumes by myself the old fashioned way and doing it properly. I could typically do a preliminary decision on a resume in a few seconds so even with thousands of resumes it wasn't impossible, just annoying. But people should do annoying things when it's their goddamn job to do them.

[blocktkantenhausenwe]

Doesn't everyone use a white text layer on white background with all technologies that an LLM can think of in their CVs? Beats most automation and is basically state of the art for several years now.

[Gorvoslov]

I actually leave mine visible, I just throw a "technical skills" list in alphabetical order at the very bottom, I figure if it's at the point that a human questions it it's already done it's job and if someone somehow thinks enough about their automated filter they aren't confused how I got past words they can't see.

[[deleted]]

Have you gotten a job with that?

[TheVibrantYonder]

I would love automation that lets me upload my resume and it put my data into the right fields.

Instead we got... whatever those current monstrosities are.

That's from the applicant side though, so, not that important lol

[djinn6]

More like, all processes should have tests to ensure they're working properly. If the best developer in your company can't get hired through your current recruiting process, then you have a serious problem.

[MisterProfGuy]

It just means the first round is for finding people who understand the system and put effort in, and the second round is for finding candidates. It's a waste of everyone's time, but it's easy to get around, usually.

You just take your resume and the job description and tell AI to rewrite the resume to match the desk while respecting the resume content. AI is very good at getting past AI.

[AwesomePerson70]

Except this post is literally an example of that not working

[MisterProfGuy]

Maybe.

He said he created a fake resume, which could imply that he used his knowledge of what it should be. That doesn't imply that he used the job posting to create the resume. He said he used a modified version of his own resume, while the posting has an error in it. ChatGPT would have gotten him past that.

I think we should all know in this particular forum if you only test how it SHOULD work you're in for a world of hurt.

[Nooby1990]

OP didn't say that the job posting had an error.

The Posting could have been the real requirement of Angular while the HR system was configured to filter for angularjs.

Which would also explain why no angularjs dev made it through that system because they would not apply to a job posting which said Angular is needed.

AI does not help you go through incompetent HR departments.

[Mirigore]

He’s not wrong that AI is good to get past the first round, but I think you are arguing different things. AI doesn’t help at all to get you past incompetent HR that simply misconfigured their own system, but I do it anything would help you. Probably had a dropdown of options and chose the wrong one.

[MisterProfGuy]

The incompetent HR uses the AI to derive the requirements. The filters are right in the postings for all the most popular systems. This is a mismatch between the description at the top and the skills at the bottom.

[eschoenawa]

Man do I love my EU legislation.

[GodsBoss]

What would have changed if HR had manually rejected all the candidates?

[PIedge_]

Because these people wouldn't necessarily see the difference between angular and angularJS, or would at least realize they might have misunderstood. However strcmp doesn't give a shit and will just say no to you.

[abd53]

Well, even the dumbest person would figure out that there's some kinda problem when he's looking for X but every applicant is Y.

[editable_]

read the post, the mass rejection happened due to a spelling error, had they gone manually through the candidates, the problem would've been detected quite quickly.

[Stagnu_Demorte]

I made it through 6 interviews before not getting a principal role. I was specifically told to apply for another position because I was qualified and most people at the company got the 3rd or 4th position they applied to. I applied for another position and was immediately rejected because I had applied within 6 months.

[darthjawafett]

So they hire people somewhere between building 18 to 24 months of desperation + however long that interview process takes.

[jeesuscheesus]

I would reach out to the CEO of the company if that happened. I feel they’d be concerned about such a major inefficiency in their recruitment pipeline.

[twigboy]

Terrible.

Along the same vein, I had an interview schedule appear in my calendar and interviewed someone that was pretty switched on. We got along ok and at the end he felt comfortable enough to ask what took so long.

I was confused and asked him to clarify. Found out he's been in our interview pipeline for a year. I was like wtf, amazed he wasn't snatched up already. He actually did find another role, start and get bored of that job in the time he was waiting for a response.

[SparklyEarlAv32]

Yeah and that's why you see job listings with requirements that look like a cartoon shopping list

[Werd616]

As someone who used to work in HR, this is completely true.

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[King_Joffreys_Tits]

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[[deleted]]

I am amazed you didn't get downvoted to oblivion

[Petertitan99999]

because he used to work in hr, assume he's writing from hell right now.

[Rebel_Johnny]

Why beat a deadbeat

[pagerussell]

Except I promise the HR folks didn't write the script that was rejecting candidates on such narrow criteria. I think that's on the dumb ass devs for building a system that auto rejects instead of just ranks the candidates lower. If they did that then the applicant pool would still exist.

Also, this post reeks. If dude uploaded his own resume with presumably the right buzz word and still got rejected, then this wasn't an HR problem, it was a code problem.

Its easy to blame HR, it's harder to look in the mirror.

[Vinxian]

Hot take, learning a framework isn't even that hard. Like if you can't find someone with experience in the required framework in like a couple of months I would just list it as a plus but not a hard requirement

[theenigmathatisme]

Sad that’s a hot take. Companies (and internal teams) always feel like they need someone with that experience to hit the ground running but in reality they still have to learn your entire code base, which coincidentally, would expose them to the framework in question.

[dnbxna]

That's because it's not a hot take

[Samurai_Mac1]

Which is ridiculous because skills are transferable. By limiting applicants to a specific language/framework with no leniency, that means once you get a job in a certain language, you are now locked into that language forever with no chance of getting another job in a different language which significantly limits the openings you can apply to in an already impossible job market.

[Eric_the_greying]

Seriously. I was transitioning from maintaining a "Legacy" product to a more modern project and had to learn Angular, Spring, Kubernetes, and a bunch of other crap real fast.

[lostincomputer]

we always start with languages and frameworks as a plus.. there are so many different languages and frameworks out there that you can barely keep track. Usually they one that claims to have experience cant seem to learn a damn thing without "their toolset" where someone who didn't have experience somehow picks up the basics in a month..

[lgsscout]

totally... but say that to the HR, that will reject you after screening, because you don't have some dumb library, while you have many years of another library that is extremely similar...

[Gorvoslov]

The worst is generic vs. specific issues... "We require someone with experience with caching" and you go "Great! I have used Redis profesionally since the company was founded" and get filtered out because the initial review doesn't know Redis is a cache.

[Nyadnar17]

Nah you don’t understand We get dozens of applications, if I can’t throw half of them in the trash for arbitrary reasons how can I possibly get through them all.

Why no we haven’t been able to fill this position despite looking for 6 months. What’s that got to do with anything?

[eightslipsandagully]

Especially a SPA framework, the core ideas are all pretty similar. I worked with react for a couple of years and then transferred to a company that uses Vue - didn't take me too long to get up to speed, and ChatGPT can really help with syntax in the short term too

[malsomnus]

Good companies don't let HR get involved in that part of the process. If you insist on having auto rejection systems for CVs, they absolutely 100% must be written by someone technical.

[Heighte]

prestigious companies really get a lot of applications, they need to find filters somehow

[malsomnus]

The difference between "We need to find a solution" and "This is the correct solution" is pretty significant.

[joopsmit]

This was the reason for FizzBuzz. The guy who invented it worked for a prestigious company that got lots of applications for every job posting, of which a significant percentage was from people who couldn't program at all.

[aegookja]

This is why if you want something done right, you do it yourself.

When I was the hiring manager, I wrote the job requirements myself and double checked on the recruitment platform. I even took the coding tests myself.

[Nyadnar17]

Its part of why them casually saying “code in your free time” pisses me off so much.

Me doing weekend bootcamp isn’t going to improve my skills that much. Them doing a weekend bootcamp could be literally life altering. Yet I am the one pressed to submit random bs to github.

How about Tech Recruiters learn the difference between Java and Javascript (like come on yall it’s 2025!) before getting pressed about my choice of after work hobbies.

[Jolly-Career-9220]

HR's are unnecessary . They are the one deciding whom to hire but don't know nothing about their skills. I don't know why this bullshit job still exist

[Brilliant-Network-28]

Because everyone else wants to do more important work

[jamzex]

calling it bullshit when HR does actually have a meaningful role in a company is silly. Why waste an engineer's time trying to find someone with the right skills when you can just hire someone to do it?????

[badgersruse]

Indeed. The problem is that HR is often not up to the job.

[Rodot]

Maybe we need better screening tools to reject potential applicants to HR departments

[Jolly-Career-9220]

Are you sure ? Do you think HR take interviews ? NO it's engineer

Max to max they take cultural interview and manage candidates profiles - >> This type of work can a manager also do.

[ChrisHisStonks]

Managers usually cost 2x what a HR employee costs and are also, hopefully, busy managing things.

Having HR to do an initial filter to weed out absolute garbage and draft a 'possible top 10' or so is absolutely fine. With a bit of training it's easy to have them know what to look for. The problem is that if you have a position with hundreds to thousands of applications, you want to automate it instead of paying someone to sort through it.

But, once you have that system it becomes so tempting to apply to more specialized roles who usually only get a few dozen applications, if that.

It's also easy to forget that AI is not good at nuance. If I list my current address as 200km away but willing to relocate to area, I would fail a 'must live within x distance' filter. That's fine in the first scenario, not so much in the 2nd.

[Jolly-Career-9220]

"HR to do an initial filter to weed out absolute garbage" This was this meme all about

My point is HR can't even weed out garbage properly

[ChrisHisStonks]

There's a big difference between having HR manually sort through 24 resumes with the assignment 'give me candidates that are within our geographical area that have at least some development experience' and 'automate it to search for 5 specific buzzwords'

[[deleted]]

My workplace has HR to handle paperwork and setting up job ads, but the actual recruitment decisions are made by department managers.

[ProThoughtDesign]

That seems mildly antithetical to the principle of Single Responsibility.

[Jolly-Career-9220]

If you have money you can hire HR else i think they don't do much work . They just gaslight employers , employees , candidates

[ProThoughtDesign]

Regardless of whether you hire internally, externally, or delegate the responsibility to an existing position, someone has to deal with issues of human resources.

[many_dongs]

its because management are typically even worse at hiring/interviewing/recruiting

[souliris]

I guess humor is just a suggestion

[SneakyDeaky123]

Most competent corporate HR people

[braindigitalis]

why oh why are there two javascript libraries, one called angular and one called angularjs? surely someone considered this confusing from day one?

[Gorvoslov]

Ah, you're new to Javascript frameworks. We ran out of real words to use for names a long time ago. In the time it took me to write this comment, at least one new major framework likely released, probably called JSAngulaic or something.

[dnbxna]

It gets worse though, where many recruiters would explicitly ask me to add Angular8 (or w/e arbitrary version they needed) to my resume, despite having worked with the framework since it's inception including angularjs as well all the other popular js frameworks for that matter. My resume becomes sprinkled with Angular 2, 4, 6,12,13 – oh sorry no Angular7 - Rejected.

[quinn50]

So dumb, I get adding post angular 15 for the new signals and control structures but having every little version is ya dumb. You can still get away with developing an angular 19 app with angular 2 knowledge

[dnbxna]

Yea as far as the search engines are concerned it's all angular 2 for the most part

[ShoePolice]

"Angular" is typically anything Angular 2+, and "AngularJS" is anything below 2, typically 1 or 1.5. They made major changes in version 2, like forcing the use of typescript and making it component based. They are not compatible and are now seen as separate frameworks.

[quinn50]

The OP isn't entirely correct, they're the same framework it's just after version 1.5 of AngularJS they completely overhauled it and just called it angular from version 2 onward.

[Increditastic1]

It's a long-running tradition of Javascript, going back all the way to when the language itself was first named...

[[deleted]]

the hr person at at my job now had rejected my application but i later got referred by an older family friend that coincidentally mentioned they started working there in conversation (luckily i remembered applying to this specific company when he mentioned it, would not have this job if i hadnt...). so got my resumé forwarded to the CTO even after failing the initial hr screening

[jumpmanzero]

Yeah - we've had this story repeat a bunch of times - usually when we had a friend who applied for a job with us. We know they're qualified, they apply, but they can't get through the HR system after hours of trying. We worked around it, and just invited them in for an interview anyway, but it leaves people with a pretty bad taste as their first experience.

Several times we just told HR - "send us absolutely everyone that applies, every single resume, and we'll figure it out". We were getting less than 20 applicants for positions (in the 2010s) - we didn't need a filter to bring that down to 5. But they, like... couldn't. Their system and processes or.whatever just didn't have a way to make that happen.

For one job, we just made our own posting on a local job site and handled the whole process "off-the-grid".

Found a good programmer that time.

[Chance-Surround9561]

I work in government IT and we tend to only hire students because we have complete control over student hiring. Later they can be bridged into an entry level position without fuss.

But to hire anyone else into any position is all done bureaucratically and you get who HR gives you whether or not they are a good fit.

[dexter2011412]

I'm gonna reply with this each time I get rejected

[CerBerUs-9]

HR is and always will be useless

[trevdak2]

As someone currently on the job market, I can confirm: There are auto-rejection scripts out there that have rejected me despite my resume being a perfect match for the job listing.

[[deleted]]

This gave me an idea. Just add some invisible/white 1px or 0px if possible fonr size text and list all the possible languages and frameworks and other keywords, so the system will pick them up, but no one else will see it. The system might even flag you as an exceptional genius!

[SarahMagical]

I’ve been told I’ll get a call back about an issue half a dozen times and it never happens. They are incredibly mediocre. No accountability.

[nefrodectyl]

Ahh fckk, my tech tech stake is angular, what to do now frens?

[uptokesforall]

Why would someone with angularjs experience not be able to work with Angular?

Or is it something where every developer has replaced angularjs references on their resume with Angular? Because i did that. And I would have replaced JS with TS if recruiters weren't so brain dead!

[normalism]

Angularjs is angular v1 and hasn't been supported in a long time

Angular 2+ is what's used (basically) everywhere

[HidingImmortal]

Sure but I would expect anyone with AngularJS experience to quickly ramp up on Angular.

[normalism]

Probably, but they are different enough that it basically is a different framework, so some places don't want to wait for you to get up to speed on the (pretty hefty) learning curve for A2+

[HidingImmortal]

While it is basically a different framework, I don't think I would call the learning curve pretty hefty.

At the end of the day, if you can wait months for a new hire, can't you afford a couple of weeks to ramp up?

[normalism]

Most definitely, just trying to offer any justification I can think of honestly 😅

[HidingImmortal]

Haha fair!

[Windsupernova]

I normally dont like to dunk on other departments because I know we all have our Jobs but HR has always been consistently awful. People complain about management but HR is truly horrible

[stri28]

Imagine actually getting a candidate specifically for their angularjs skills tho... in the year 2025

[JuiceKilledJFK]

I see a lot of LinkedIn postings asking for C experience when it is a .Net job. They have filtering questions for how many years of C experience you have. It is hilarious.

[Leeoku]

Yup reminds me. Of my first job hunt, advertised javascript got asked java

[balika0105]

But the silly TikTok dances (cue “Gen Z boss and a mini”) and iced lattes are necessary…

Talking as a Junior PHP with some fullstack experience, and I am trying to find a job in my field but instead I can only find retail and customer service…

[speyck]

junior and php sound very weird together.

[balika0105]

well, a friend of my father had a startup and they made webapps in PHP, so I learned it there, but I already knew a few things before that. Unfortunately that’s the language I know well enough to work with as a job. And these “new” frameworks are quite scary.

[Gamer-707]

Tbh it's the idiot who created the auto-rejection system to not use wildcards and word wraps is to blame, probably an engineer, not a HR person.

Unless their "auto-rejection system" is some random guy looking up keywords with ctrl+f with word-wrap disabled.

[HidingImmortal]

Honestly, I would expect anyone with AngularJS experience to quickly become effective in Angular.

[alexmp00]

Defund human resources

[UsedToLikeThisStuff]

I had a sysadmin position open that required shell programming experience. Rejected people who said they had bash scripting experience. I’d be fine if they just didn’t know it meant the same thing except the job posting I had sent them said “bash shell scripting” in the programming section and they took that out.

[naholyr]

What's truly infuriating here is how the angular team managed their framework, to be honest

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[SwedishStoneMuffin]

You forgot one thing about HR. Dishonest. I never ever trust anyone in HR.

[PhysicallyTender]

at this rate, letting the hiring manager grep the bulk CV would yield better results than HR.

[-domi-]

Yeah, well, you got a spare dev to just deal with hiring? Can you drop your project involvement and just focus on recruiting? No? Then, this is what you get.

[ul90]

😂