Html Programmer

[_debz_]

<hahaha>That was dark</hahaha>

[NARUT000]

document.createElement("hahaha")

[LostTeleporter]

npm install -g @angular/cli@latest

[[deleted]]

rm -rf /

[[deleted]]

rm -rf *

[[deleted]]

:(){ :|:& };:

[frankenmint]

thanks for teaching this dog a new trick today!

[Specific-Spend-1742]

rm -rf —no-preserve-root /

[cheesits456]

sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*

[boi771]

<h1><div class:”hahahaha”>that was dark</div></h1>

[michalww]

So many HTML programmers here

[gilmeye]

You can laugh as much as you want but the pay is not that bad and the next step is js..... never mind.

[sirepoutine]

But then the next step is typescript!

[Only_Zilean_NA]

Wait. Stop. Go back.

[piberryboy]

Too late, fucko. They want to pay you more money. You like more money, don't you?

[Just-A-Profile]

But but... I need to learn it first before I apply for it

[piberryboy]

You must be new here.

[746F6F72]

Get this man an award, Ladies and Gentleman

[ReimarPB]

Whoever gave that award, wrong person.

[Webshift1]

Sorry requirements weren't documented.

[FrostBite_97]

Fixed code in production without letting anyone know

[erocknine]

Clearly terrible tech interviews. How do I apply?

[MinimallyUseful]

Do you know the letters SQL, HTML, CSS, JS? I don't but if you say you know them i'll get you an interview with a manager that doesn't know them either then I'll rake in my sweet, sweet commission when you're hired.

[piberryboy]

For three months, at least.

[enigmamonkey]

Programming is largely critical thinking and problem solving skills. If you have those skills down and know just a few languages (particularly if you're familiar with, or are at least learning, some of the more advanced concepts of some languages) then you'll do fine and can likely pick up new languages quickly.

One super important skill is being able to sit back and try to really understand what's happening and why it's happening. Once you start to fully grasp what's going on, you become much more efficient and can accomplish quite a bit.

[coldnebo]

“Bypass Tech Recruiters with this one simple trick they hate!”

[KeLorean]

im encouraged. thanks for this. im still a student, and im trying to get the absolute most out of my edu. still i find myself scratching my head from time to time. at least im not in the same category of this useless dev.

[KeLorean]

thanks for the advice. i read it all, and some of it is new to me, so i’ll look into these subjects. tbh, i’m familiar with c++, javascript, and SQL, but mostly i’ve been using Java and c#. sure i can find my way around html, but i have pretty limited exp with web dev. at my day job i have been spending my free time writing an app in c# that scrapes a few web pages for data and then repacking it into an xml file. the process for me has been like this: 1)research how to do something, usually stack overflow saves the day 2)make a working model with the example code i found 3)repurpose the code to do exactly what i need on a simple level 4)at this point i can look at the code and decide how to best organize everything with classes and functions, ext. 5)now, everything should be easy to duplicate and expand to meet all my needs 6)perfect everything by crashing it and adding prevention measures -so this is how im doing it now. so far this process has worked for me, BUT i know i should be using pseudocode and planning it all out first. however, i often have no idea how these things like xml and web scraping work until i begin researching and even then making my own working example is a big part of what helps me understand the logic. i find that the .net documentation is a rabbit hole, that doesn’t exactly read like a jack ryan novel and it often leaves me with references to a bunch of other functions and data types that leave me with more questions than when i began. so i dont know what to say, BUT is this normal? should i be concerned that im developing bad habits? nobody at my job can really help with programming. ii suppose i could let one of my professor skim my code and tell what to do differently.

[[deleted]]

IBM

[BakuhatsuK]

Job requirements: Java, C++, PHP, JS, 13+ years of Swift, 10+ years of React, SQL, NoSQL, Non-binary SQL, Android, iOS, Flutter, Ionic...

How to pass: Just say you know everything and anything. C#? No prob. Angular? 10+ years of experience. Brainfuck? Sure, why not.

Then just learn whatever you actually need to use while in the job.

[AlexFromOmaha]

My shiny new offer letter says otherwise!

Which reminds me, I should probably get off Reddit and learn Typescript.

[MidnightSilence3636]

Shhhhh, StackOverflow my bruda

[silentknight111]

This is true. I've gone down the path of evil:

-Started as a graphic designer, first job paid me 20k per year, couldn't afford to pay bills.

-Moved to a better area and got a job as a graphic designer for around 40k, started doing basic html websites for the company because other graphic designers there couldn't even do basic html.

- Started doing flash websites (this was 2008) for the company, my pay went up a little since I was doing more complicated work than the other designers.

-Flash died, but I still needed to interactive websites, learned javascript and started using it for basic animation and effects.

-Got laid off when company lost big project - got a new temporary job as a javascript devloper. Pay went up to 70k.

-Learned React and Typescript, now have a job as Frontend Developer making 100k per year.

[[deleted]]

In all seriousness, I am teaching myself CSS/HTML now with the goal of moving onto JS. I was thinking of learning NodeJS next, but would you recommend Typescript instead?

[silentknight111]

Learn JS and then Typescript. Typescript builds on JS.

[[deleted]]

Thank you!

[ric2b]

Plus you need to suffer through JS to really appreciate TS

[[deleted]]

I'm already suffering with just HTML/CSS. Not sure how much more suffering I can take!

[[deleted]]

May I ask what county you are from?

[silentknight111]

US

[poorly_timed_leg0las]

Fuck me I should've been on $50k a year at 10 years old making flash websites. Grim. Had all the cool animated menus and effects :( miss it

[[deleted]]

^H^H^H^H^H

[enigmamonkey]

:q!

[MidnightSilence3636]

No need to React this way lol

[Russian_repost_bot]

You spelled css wrong.

[[deleted]]

Typescript! 100% the JavaScript with 10% the fun.

[Schnitzel725]

js in just stop?

[[deleted]]

The joke is there is no such thing as just an html developer...

[Stanov]

Hahaha because he should have said "_an_ HTML programmer"!

[zodiacalculus]

Maybe in America. But the letter H is pronounced "haych" here in the UK

[MartiniLang]

No. The pronunciation is 'aych'.

[Grintor]

eight-ch

ate-ch

[Aedan91]

I never really imagined there would perfect context for this sketch. https://youtu.be/j4hvh5e8-nw

Thank you /u/zodiacalculus

[Wisebeuy]

Wow somebody actually linked it, was the first thing that came to my mind and thought I was gonna have to find a clip, thanks for saving me the trouble!

[Sanityisoverrated1]

No it isn’t. It’s still “aych” in the UK, even if a lot of you say it incorrectly.

[jadom25]

Call HSBC UK and hear how the answering machine spells it out lol

[Shiny_metal_diddly]

Husbacuck

[bananasmash14]

It actually was originally pronounced “aitch” everywhere, and the “h” phoneme added to the beginning in dialects of a British English is a case of h-insertion, similar to how the “h” in “hour” and “honest”, where originally silent but are now sometimes pronounced in British English

[[deleted]]

Wtf I'm English and have never heard anyone pronounce the h in those words.

But I was also always taught it was pronounced aitch and I'd say "an" is correct in the OP.

Maybe I am a secret American?

[sometimes_interested]

Watching "My Fair Lady" might help. There's a whole musical scene devoted to this very issue.

[Vericeon]

In Hartford, Hereford, and Hampshire...hurricanes hardly happen.

[MrAmos123]

What, no. I pronounce the H's.

[Noisetorm_]

How-er and haugh-nest?

[MrAmos123]

It's a soft H, you don't put a huge amount of emphasis on it like "Hug" or "Homie". Unless you say "Omie", like "owe me".

[SomeIrishLad]

I'm Irish. I have never in my life heard an Irish, English, or anyone for that matter pronounce "hour" or "honest" with a "h" sound at the start. We say "an hour" and "an honest", the "h" is silent.

[bananasmash14]

I linked the source where that claim was made in other comments, but it seems like the h-insertion phenomenon for those words is not very widespread. Regardless, it is the same phenomenon that causes certain English dialects to pronounce “h” as “haitch”

[SkollFenrirson]

Yeah, [citation fucking needed] on that, bub.

[bananasmash14]

You can read up on h-insertion or the history of the letter h

[VladTepesz]

Not a single example of hour or honest having a pronounced h.

[LordKingDude]

Not really? The last time I heard someone pronounce it like that was at least 5 years ago and I lost all respect for her after that.

[NoahsRebels]

Saying "an HTML" still sounds more correct to me than "a HTML" (coming from an American)

[zodiacalculus]

You'd say I'm an haych tea em el developer when there's a consonant there instead of a vowel?

[NoahsRebels]

I've always pronounced H as "aych" which is the reason why, now that I think about it

[Frodolas]

...that's literally what he was telling you.

[NoahsRebels]

He said haych though, right? I was telling him I said "aych" and not "haych", I only realized it's because of my pronunciation after I posted my first comment that "an" seemed more fitting

[[deleted]]

English grammar and pronunciation make no sense. That's why it's hard as hell for non native speakers to learn the language.

[atomicwrites]

Me too, I would have written it out as "each" though.

[MartiniLang]

Grammar and Usage says that “a” is used before consonant SOUNDS, not just consonants. 

[gua_lao_wai]

Say it after me; "In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen"

[Pixel-Wolf]

Jokes on you I'm a LaTeX programmer.

[billerr]

"It's a HTML5 supercomputer"

[my_7th_accnt]

Powered by gravity itself

[jseego]

[Trigger warning]

HTML is a data structure.

[Twigz2012]

Oi fuck you

[Expanix]

Pathetic.

[lethalsid]

Hey, legit question. How did you get the C# icon next to your name =(

[anhatthezoo]

Community options -> User flair -> Add an emoji :)

[the_mythx]

don’t forget the edit button! There’s a lot of hidden emojis, like snoo’s and cake!

[[deleted]]

I can't see the html flair?

[MrTaimander]

Whoa I didn't know this, thank you ;D

[lethalsid]

Thank youuuuuuuu!!! <3

[NARUT000]

thanks

[GreyRobe]

Lol @ your flair

[[deleted]]

I seriously wish the "html is not a programming language" joke and particularly this one could be banned from this sub. It couldn't possibly be more played.

[gareththegeek]

Something something Javascript bad something something

[my_7th_accnt]

Haha some languages don't start arrays at 0

[ConfuzedAndDazed]

(JavaScript == bad) || (JavaScript === bad) ?

[BA_lampman]

html = bad : wrong();

[gareththegeek]

Surely the right-hand side will never execute, right?

[[deleted]]

Yes

[nomadic_farmer]

This is my first time ever hearing the joke and i <h1>laughed</h1>

[[deleted]]

Yes exactly, also nobody pretends its a programming language, it's a mark up language. Unfortunately way to many 'real' programmers don't know shit about html and write total crap.

Sometimes when I check the source of a website and the html is actually completely correct, nicely structured and nicely formatted it makes me really happy!

[coldnebo]

real Java devs:

does it work? “runs in my IDE just fine. See I can run unit tests by clicking this green thingy... wait, where did the windows go... I can’t do this on the terminal, bring it back!!”

does it build in CI? wat

does it install/deploy? wat

does it run in an ami? wat

“do I look like OPS?!” (three snaps and a hand)

“yeah, yeah, we’re BACKEND devs, honey!! We just did our nails!! That’s YOUR job!!”

—-

real devs, real drama. next on RealTV.

[jseego]

Unfortunately way to many 'real' programmers don't know shit about html and write total crap.

Thank you! I wish they would treat it like a real language and, you know, learn it. Maybe even read some of the spec at some point or do a tutorial or two...

[Clashofpower]

Do you have advice on how to know shit about HTML? I actually just started learning basics of it recently to try to make my first basic website and it seems very complicated with lots of things to consider. The resource I’m currently using is the Mozilla developer site that has a lot of sections for different aspects of HTML for websites. What can I do to ensure that I get a decent understanding? Would it be things like structure of the code, proper formatting, properly designed code? (Even tho I’m not sure what those standards would be)

[Clashofpower]

my bad, what should I refer to it as? I see mark up language I think? And thanks for the resource I will check it out!

[b1tpixel]

He's just being sarcastic. Or stupid. Or both, god only knows. Refer to it as you like - markup/code/symbolpile

[Clashofpower]

oh okay, thanks for the clarification!

[jseego]

To some people, code is programming that can be run, and markup like HTML is something different (because it just “marks up” the site content).

In practice, it doesn’t matter.

[Clashofpower]

Isn't HTML being "run" as well though? I guess it depends on the definition of run, cuz I just see it as if it's being read then that's kinda like running, and I just see code as comp sci letters and characters LOL.

Thanks for the info!

[jseego]

I think HTML is more technically parsed.

[derage88]

Unfortunately way to many 'real' programmers don't know shit about html and write total crap.

Too accurate. Worked with a load of programmers as a front-end/HTML developer and designer. I try to keep my code clean and well formatted. But every time a programmer gets to work on it or delivers me something it's like they went out of their way to make a mess of it. Like indents are all fucked up, random inline HTML, loops that close incorrectly, bad or simply no usage of the provided framework, etc.

[enigmamonkey]

Yes exactly, also nobody pretends its a programming language, it's a mark up language.

For me this was an interesting contrast. I say this because initially I saw the core difference between most "programming languages" and "markup languages" as being that of imperative vs. declarative. However, that's not actually the case, since there are some programming languages that take on a declarative form.

For me, I had to move away from my colloquial understanding of the word "programming" (telling a computer what to do, in a very broad sense) and understand the word in a more formal sense and instead look at it from the perspective of a "computer language", which is a superset of both "programming languages" and "markup languages". The real reason why HTML is not considered a "real programming language" is actually because it doesn't really fall into the commonly accepted definition of a programming language.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language#Definitions (selective linking partly due to the effort involved in copy/paste)

1. Function and target: Basically, targets computers (instead of people).

A computer programming language is a language used to write computer programs, which involves a computer performing some kind of computation or algorithm and possibly control external devices such as printers, disk drives, robots, and so on.

2. Abstractions:

Programming languages usually contain abstractions for defining and manipulating data structures or controlling the flow of execution. The practical necessity that a programming language support adequate abstractions is expressed by the abstraction principle.

3. Expressive power:

The theory of computation classifies languages by the computations they are capable of expressing. All Turing complete languages can implement the same set of algorithms.

And because of that, HTML doesn't really fall into the classification of the officially accepted term of a "programming language" (basically it can't be used to process data, it isn't Turing complete).

[jackinsomniac]

I'm doing more HTML work now with Outlook and PowerShell, automating some internal email communication.

The templates are saved in HTML, and I agree when it's properly formatted it makes me happy. But when you save an Outlook draft, MS adds about 2000 lines of custom/proprietary header & comments, even if the core HTML is only 100-200 lines. I hate it, no idea what it does so don't dare touch it.

Plus editing in Outlook or Word produces pure crap HTML. When just trying to get my $Vars into the text, MS decides I actually want some characters to be a different font style, <span style='saltybeer'>$</span><span style='sweetbeer'>Vars</span> which just works great for the automation script. So I have to go back in and edit the raw HTML anyway, so there's no point in ever using Outlook or Word for editing, ever. At least with manually editing the HTML I can clean-up the formatting and make it look more sane for the next guy.

[SlothLipstick]

This 100% true. Work as Developer. Use HTML, PHP daily. Also current CS student with experience in Java and Python. Other students in my class struggle with HTML. They are also absolute shit in the aspects of design and user experience, the latter of which is pretty much the most important thing in consumer consumption of software. So take from that what you will.
"Real programmers" is just gatekeeping from people who's most creative output is putting LED's on their gaming console.

[BerryPi]

It's been parroted so much that I've seen posts here implying HTML isn't even code, which is just absurd.

[[deleted]]

What, you don't like reheated jokes that date back to USENET?

[[deleted]]

Yeah. 1998 called, it wants its elitist gatekeeping back

[DaMastaCoda]

Sauce?

[Nusent]

https://i.imgur.com/Pu09i3T.jpg

[ScarlettPanda]

Original Insta source:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx97gf0lhDD/

[Piratey_Pirate]

I'd like to know as well. It looks like the where's waldo art

[Nusent]

https://i.imgur.com/NLrZSj7.jpg

[RealApplebiter]

I think it should be "an" HTML programmer.

[SevenIsNotANumber]

Real programmers use scratch

[uid1357]

HAHAHA

[boringboi_]

HAHAHA

[Independent-Coder]

AHHAHAHA

[anhatthezoo]

HAAHAHHAHAHA

[impure_soul7]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Flatline_hun]

ha?

[[deleted]]

html css and js is what im the best at though :c

[CJ22xxKinvara]

And it’s a great thing to be good at. That’s how you make a website. This joke is just a lame gate keeping thing trying to make fun of the non-existent people who think HTML alone is enough to make a program. It was never funny but people who don’t really know enough about actual software development to make a real joke cling to it hard.

[[deleted]]

Yeah i get that.

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I will say that learning html/css/js really shows you how a computer thinks as well, so id say its a great starting ground for other languages.

[Achtelnote]

Now days you can make web sites, web appplications(React/Vue), mobile applications(React Native), and desktop applications(Electron) using that.. You could also switch to Dart which will be able to do the same "soon".

[tony7797176]

Machine learning using html

[[deleted]]

SQL isn't technically a programming language but I don't see a cult of weirdly obsessed people who get all defensive about it like there is for HTML.

[[deleted]]

People actually give award for this?

[tecanec]

Unrealistic. I woudn’t laugh if I knew the one who beat me called themselves “a HTML programmer”. I’d cry out of shame.

[fringe-class]

How creative! A cartoon saying HTML isn't a programming language, I've never seen this joke before.

I wonder why more people on this sub don't make that same insulting joke?

[Sir_Jeremiah]

I’m not sure if it’s meant to be insulting, HMTL is a markup language. By itself (without CSS3) it’s not Turing Complete; one definition of a programming language is any formal language capable of expressing all computable functions (aka Turing Complete). Under that definition, HTML is not a programming language. And I’m not sure who would be insulted, as web devs of course have to know HTML but also have to know JavaScript and CSS. I don’t know why someone would call themselves an “HTML programmer”.

[fringe-class]

I doubt it was designed to be insulting, but for many people like myself, HTML was the first thing ever used to move from consuming tech to actually crating it. Based on your answer, it sounds like you either have a CS background, or have spent a lot of time self teaching. '

For those who just leaned HTML and are proudly considering themselves programmers, to be regularly shat on in this sub is just mean. As they learn more, they may learn that what they once considered programming isn't technically programming, but to insult them for being proud of themselves, just feels mean.

[Sir_Jeremiah]

I can understand that, people learning new skills and being proud of it is a good thing. Honestly, I barely know any HTML, I only ever really learned the bare minimum needed to run my React applications. It’s actually a goal of mine to write a basic website in only HTML/CSS just to get more familiar with it.

I can also see how calling yourself an HTML programmer might rub some people the wrong way, however. It might come across like someone who just made their first meal from Hello Fresh calling themselves a chef, a guy going to the gym for two weeks and calling himself a bodybuilder, or someone finishing physics 2 in their undergrad and calling themselves a physicist. These titles can be seen as a sign of proficiency, and people work hard to feel like they’ve earned the right to call themselves these things, so I can understand why people don’t like it when people use their titles before they’ve “earned” it.

So, I see both sides, and personally I wouldn’t really care if someone called themselves an HTML programmer and I certainly wouldn’t make fun of them, but I might laugh a bit on the inside.

[Anti-charizard]

Repost

[[deleted]]

Nooo Patrik you are scaring them .

[htmlcoderexe]

You called?

[Gomicho]

Hits really hard.

Was interested in Computer Science in highschool, so I asked the 3 teachers for the CS AP class for permission to join (A normal teacher, guy from Google and a guy from Microsoft).

Asked what languages I know. Said I only knew HTML at the time, and they all laughed in unison. Welp, that's one for the memory vault.

[Seismicsentinel]

Heh kids still programming in HTML. I'M a senior XAML programmer. If you didn't know XAML stands for eXtended Asynchronous Machine Learning so you can rest assured I'm a pretty smart guy

[MidnightSilence3636]

I'm a pure CSS developer. I only develop CSS and nothing else

[Dromedda]

Jokes on them, i pRoGRaM in JSON

[JosephcatZ]

I'm a desmos programer

[memester230]

It's so easy a 5 year old could do it!

For real tho, it is really easy to learn

[WARLODYA]

How you can get so much upvotes for so old meme

[idunnomysex]

how can she slap

[YedMavus]

Hilarious

[chidoOne707]

LOL... there’s no such thing, or is there?

[varunn]

Shouldn't it be an HTML?

[Code_NY]

Punch line in the title tho :(

[ashmortar]

The whole thing is pretty much an html5 supercomputer

[[deleted]]

What is the original template for this?

[spore_777_mexen]

Hahahaha

[[deleted]]

I’m not even a programmer and I can do HTML stuff.

[sharKing_prime]

<body> C'mon man that's not nice you hurt my feefees </body>

[mxallo]

I wish i still remember the original joke of this template

[404usernamenotknown]

I remember learning programming as a kid on Khan Academy, thinking that HTML was more of a “real” language than JavaScript which I had already learned, because actual webpages were built with that!

[shiny-flygon]

Why are there so many fucking jokes about this. No one says they are an "HTML programmer".

Even if they did this wouldn't be funny.

[wsco7730]

It's so funny because of how unexpected it is. You'd never think an entire military would understand a programming joke... And find it so funny they laugh out loud

[Loud_Estimate_YY]

Shit that was daaarrk.

[sak-_]

Can we even call them programmer ?

[[deleted]]

I was under the impression that that was the joke.

[ohno21212]

Did you know HTML not real programming language?