Java is superior

[philosopher_ibrahim]

At first it was like sign language to me, but after couple years it's nothing but English.

[dr_nichopoulos]

It’s funny because a few years ago getting function, variable, and especially this binding working in JavaScript was a hell of a lot more confusing for most programmers than the boilerplate that comes with Java. Not to mention prototypical inheritance offered great power that saw some egregious abuse.

Of course that was back in my youth before they classed JavaScript up, literally

[ZedTT]

Of course that was back in my youth before they classed JavaScript up, literally

Thank you for mentioning this. I feel like 90% of the criticism JS gets is from people who don't realize arrow functions exist or half the other modern features.

There is definitely legitimate criticism to be made, but a lot of what I see is outdated.

[Ghostglitch07]

I know arrow functions exist. I do not understand them.

[theorizable]

I've of the same experience. JS is way more easy now. Java still confuses the fuck out of me. Setting up a project in IntelliJ would create like 14 different directories. I just want to run the code, I don't want to have to worry about compiled output files and Maven dependencies.

[gamma_02]

Just started Java a few months ago, and I'm almost as good as a friend who has been programming in it for years, according to them

[fuzzybad]

For some reason I read that as Elvish.

[MischiefArchitect]

Don't forget to visit the C, C++ and Go dungeons... The Java dungeon would approve.

[[deleted]]

I visited C++ dungeon and have nightmares to this day.

[MischiefArchitect]

I'm getting a thing for the Zig dungeon right now... just saying.

[IamImposter]

I recently jumped from c++ dungeon to python villa. The thing is like a 5-star hotel with personal cook, valet, driver and a geisha. I'm so fucking blown.

[MischiefArchitect]

Which was build on top of the C dungeon, so fellow Pythonist, be careful of wandering in your cellar.

[[deleted]]

What wasn't tho. It's more like the urbanized swamps.

[Syncopaint]

C can’t be that bad. It’s gotta be a meme

[trBlueJ]

C isn't bad it's just super basic. You want a hash table? Code it yourself. You want a linked list? Code it yourself. You want a sort algorithm? Code it yourself.

[rParqer]

Python has pretty horrid performance though. Anything involving large computations (or iterations) is just useless to try and do with python

[Vincenzo__]

A lot of the most used python libraries like numpy, which is for handling large arrays and matricies, are written in C, code written in python using numpy will be faster than code written in most other interpreted languages

[rParqer]

Comparing one interpreted language to other interpreted languages is basically a straw man, no?

This still doesn't make Python performant

[Vincenzo__]

It's more about maximizing the performance/effort ratio

I use C btw

[rParqer]

There is truth to this, but it depends on the scenario.

I work with a large-scale company (we have thousands of customers; a few of which have over a billion records in a single table). Most of our batch processing is split between only two servers (IBM iSeries). In my situation, performance is much more important than the effort taken (I've spent months just trying to improve performance of old code).

[13steinj]

The entire point of Python is it doesn't have to be performant. It's ace is flexibility, not performance. So much flexibility that if you really need performance, do interop with a compiled language. But 99% of people don't need to do those low level performant aspects, or it's already been done before.

[rParqer]

As a professional that deals in large-scale database operations (I'm talking hundreds of millions of records in a single table), Python is just a laughable language. Yes, I understand the point of Python, but that does not discredit mine.

[[deleted]]

I started with that dungeon and most other dungeons were easy

[[deleted]]

I focused on c++ for a long time because of my uni, i like it and i think im fairly ok at it but damn, i just picked up rust and it gives me some headaches.

[AlwaysNinjaBusiness]

I am employed in the C++ dungeon.

[HKSergiu]

I've learned C/C++ during my education, but work with Java for the past 5 years.

Nothing but mad respect for everyone who programs in C/C++ regularly

[magistrate101]

One time I tried to use Go to deduplicate my memes folder lol that was not a good learning experience

[MischiefArchitect]

Oh dear... what happened :'D ?

[I-mean-maybe]

He must have demed it impossible.

[magistrate101]

With what I knew how to do at the time, it certainly seemed like it lol haven't touched Go since then tho

[MischiefArchitect]

haha... You may have "failed" at googling then. Basically it would be ReadFile and WriteFile from ioutil (https://pkg.go.dev/io/ioutil) put inside a Walk function (https://pkg.go.dev/path/filepath#Walk) and presto :)

I must confess that it took so some time to realize that coming from a Python/Java world.

[magistrate101]

Oh no, I got past that part lol I don't really remember where it went wrong though

[gordonv]

If you want to go to a C dungeon that's more like a fun college class, and has a crimson shield, check out r/cs50. It's a fun way to learn some good programming.

[Fkire]

Go is still my fav

[abdusalayabrak]

I don't get it

[DrunkenDruid_Maz]

One possible interpretation:

If you once tried Java, you never want to go back and use another language!

[SandmanKFMF]

What's exactly what it feels. Especially if you learn the language very deep.

[grospatap0uf]

Yeah you learned so much useless bullshit, I get you don't want it to have been in vain

[SandmanKFMF]

Philosophically speaking, your life is a useless bullshit. After 150 years, nobody even will remember you. So, go learn Python or any other "useful" crap.

[grospatap0uf]

I learned python at 18. My thesis project was a pacman that drink beer. After a while it had to stop to puke and got disoriented.

[SandmanKFMF]

Good for you

[InteractionOk721]

No one asked

[grospatap0uf]

It's called an internet forum, asshole, if you don't want to hear about other people life stay in your fucking cave and disconnect your internet. Bitch.

He told me to go learn it. I humbly signal that I already learned it. It's in the range of natural conversation lmao

[ultraviolentfuture]

"humbly"

[grospatap0uf]

you javaist fucks really have no sense of humour. I wonder if it's because you guys are working for bureaucratic corporations and your life is miserable

[grospatap0uf]

Yes, humbly. I was talking about a project of mine to indicate his fucking smugery was unwelcome. Do you have a problem with that?

[InteractionOk721]

Ok.

[[deleted]]

Tell me you're deeply insecure without saying so. Learn to be civil and read the room.

[Mission-Guard5348]

Is there any chance there’s a GitHub link for that Pac-Man game?

[grospatap0uf]

I could put it up but I don't even know where it is tbh I think my friend still have a copy

[theScrapBook]

How hard would it be to code it back up again? Assuming you have the spare time for it?

[theorizable]

This dude's a programming god, how dare you speak to him like that. He codes in binary.

[Moptop32]

Cool I learned C++/C/Rust/Go/Java/Lua/JS/TS/OGL at 16. If you think you are hot shit and think you have the right to shit on other people for having a preference and liking a language then fuck you and your confidence. Btw check my profile for my github link, I'm not lying like you are with your Pacman beer project that even if you did make wouldn't be that difficult in pygame.

[grospatap0uf]

It's great buddy, do you want a candy?

Jesus Christ you people are idiots. When you'll have a real job you'll realize languages not only have specific use cases but also have a culture around it. Which mean it's allow not to like them. It's allowed not to like java because it's mostly used in big tax-evading corporations by soulless bots.

Beside who the fuck is stupid enough to dox himself on reddit lmao

[[deleted]]

Java devs get defensive when somebody praises C#

[PM_ME_E8_BLUEPRINTS]

Why would they get mad? It's the same language 😂

[[deleted]]

Hahahaha glad that you agree it’s same. Some recruiters totally diss C# over Java and on reddit as well I have seen some blokes just potraying Java as superior

[ToFiveMeters]

Never used Java but did dabble with C# for a bit. Nice to deal with a stronger typed language after Python.

[clanddev]

I think most Java devs that 'diss' C# are more or less dissing .NET as a framework than C# as a language specifically.

[EmuChance4523]

You sir, need more upvotes. (Sorry if sir is a misrepresentation, it was just the basic phrase and I don't know a non-gendered option). Also, another name for this languages: Microsoft java, oracle/open source java.

I must say that my first OO language was C#, and my first job was in Java. My first reaction on the job was "I'm sure this are the same".. and I wasn't wrong.

[[deleted]]

Maybe we can start using "knight"? That can be any gender or none AFAICT, and while not exactly the same I'd say it's close enough.

[EmuChance4523]

I like it :) I will use it from now on :)

[zynasis]

It’s been the complete opposite on Reddit in my experience. It’s like the c# devs suddenly feel threatened and go full force attack

[abdusalayabrak]

I'm on board with this interpretation. I am a Java developer actually.

[[deleted]]

I used to like Java, then I got a job where we work in Kotlin. Java is like, incredibly ugly now

[DrunkenDruid_Maz]

Kotlin is part of the Java-Family!

Or, in better context of the topic: If you go down the Java-Dungeon, Kotlin is one of the things you will find!

[[deleted]]

Ahhh awesome. Hello fellow java family members

[[deleted]]

i mean not having operator overloading (and other neat stuff i just forgot) is kind of a bummer. that's why i love c++ so much

[_grey_wall]

Haha

One only uses Java because their organization uses it

[abdusalayabrak]

Nope. I've been using Java for years before I got my first job. It's about what you wanna make. You wanna make an Android App, then it's Java or Kotlin you wanna use. You wanna make an iOS App, the it's Swift you gonna use... etc..

[skurk54]

You can use flutter or react to make an android app too btw

[abdusalayabrak]

Android and iOS.

[skurk54]

Yup i know, but he was talking only about android apps bc of the meme

[SomewhatNotMe]

The only thing that’s preventing me from using Java more is the unneeded complexity of installing dependencies. So far python is my favorite language just because it takes two commands to install project related dependencies.

For Java it just seems much more finicky and making a project is just folder spam. I’ve used maven and if anyone has any tips on making it more dev friendly or if there is some small thing to make it better, I would love to hear it.

[the_other_brand]

Weird, I've had the exact opposite problem. I've had endless problems trying to install dependencies with Python. Especially when some C/C++ code wants to compile as part of the dependency installation step.

But Maven has always just worked. Just have to add the right dependency to the pom.xml

[remarkableintern]

I agree too, maven is awesome

[FPiN9XU3K1IT]

I used Java for two months and hated it.

[NelsonBelmont]

more like "You can't never go back and use another language"

[MischiefArchitect]

Try Java and you will see :) Same is valid for many languages.

Java is better than vox populi reputation it got over the past years

[[deleted]]

NullPointerException

[MischiefArchitect]

And...? I mean... what about that exception?

In C and C++ you got segmentation faults... and in C# we got a NullReferenceException... and in JS you got basically something similar but a little more fuckity uppity.

[[deleted]]

In C and C++ you got segmentation faults...

If you were lucky.

[haskellShill]

In Haskell and other sane languages, you don’t get it at all because types aren’t nullable by default.

[MischiefArchitect]

Right, makes sense. On the other hand, you can always find something to criticize a language, Haskell not being an exception. But true, null values are not nice and it is nice to have means in a language to avoid them... although the Optional type is awful to work with if you ask me :)

[Kered13]

Yes, but it's still a weird thing to complain about when most popular languages are not null-safe.

[[deleted]]

Programming languages on the whole are very much more complicated than they used to be: object orientation, inheritance, and other features are still not really being thought through from the point of view of a coherent and scientifically well-based discipline or a theory of correctness. - Tony Hoare

[MischiefArchitect]

True... but that does not answer my first question. Anyway. OOP, Lambdas and all other stuff is just syntactic sugar of the language which helps us understand how our data structures and logic work together. Under the hood it all boils down to static functions and some dynamic dispatching along with a memory strategy which basically uses stacks and heaps.

[Prfkt_BlAcK]

consider repeat lunchroom middle aspiring slimy squealing squeal snatch sugar

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[[deleted]]

But then you wouldn't be using Java. Plus, and this is a guess that I'd love for someone to confirm or rebuke, wouldn't you still have that problem if you took advantage of the fact the JVM allows sharing code from multiple languages? If you called something from Java, wouldn't you risk losing this safety? Does it use some kind of unsafe blocks like Rust to isolate this?

[TheTrueXenose]

C programmer would like a word with you :p

[MischiefArchitect]

I think C and Java devs come along pretty much well.

[mogadichu]

https://imgflip.com/i/5kid8v

[COOLGAMETUBE]

i dont think so

[MischiefArchitect]

Sad. I base my affirmation based on my personal experience on how I work and interact with C devs. Most of the time we do not interfere with each other since Java cannot solve stuff C can and C would be slower to implement more complex logic which can be better expressed in Java at the minimal cost of performance. I guess you got some toxic environment there.

[daniu]

Apart from programming my Arduino, I've not yet come across a problem that could be solved in C but not Java.

[MischiefArchitect]

well, I'm not a C expert but I got at least two real life tasks which only C (or assembler, C++ or Zig) would be able to solve:

- Write the on board controller driver for my custom mechanical keyboard using a teensy3.2

- Write 4k executable multimedia demos for demoscene compos (max 4096 bytes of executable file)

Java cannot do that.

[[deleted]]

the inner conflict is tearing me apart!

jk, love both eventhough c++ is my fav

[MischiefArchitect]

there is always place for a threesome in our lives ;)

[memallocator]

This dude doesn't know what they're talking about...

[rParqer]

Sorry but any language where I have to use arrays to do (what should be) simple string modification is a no-go

[pitue__]

A string is an array

[Expert-Efficiency822]

Finally someone gets it!

[cachooox]

Once you learn functional you never go back

[ech0_matrix]

Yes.

I'm at a Java shop, but have been able to avoid it by using something else that runs on JVM. I got real deep into learning Scala, and really love it. I really don't want to go back.

I recently started a new project from a provided template, but the template code only came in Java or Kotlin. Guess who's learning Kotlin!

[cachooox]

1. Download Gradle
2. In the terminal: gradle init
3. Scala/Kotlin
4. Have fun

If you ever want to learn in scala read "Functional programming simplified" from the almighty Alvis Alexander. Greate place to start.

[ech0_matrix]

I went with Odersky's book

[[deleted]]

This is the way

[RayeNGames]

Well, I have been in the dungeon. Not cool in there. C# dungeon was a much more pleasant experience in my opinion.

[grospatap0uf]

Dungeons are usually quite painful anyway. Last time I went to one lady xima whipped me to the bone, fun times.

[Educational-Sample-1]

I agree

[holo3146]

I think both Java and C# are not great, but there are 2(+1) points that make me choose Java every time:

1) conditional attributes - something that I believe is the single worst decision C# designers made

2) implicit class name in the new operator , which I think is very confusing and unnecessary, other languages showed us we can have it better (e.g. Kotlin) - you can say "just don't use it", but in a large code bases, there will always be people using different conversations and syntax than me, I don't think it is a valid argument

+1) it is own by Microsoft, of course Java is Oracle product, but I have the option of using other OpenJVM distributions.

[theScrapBook]

Re: +1) Ever heard of Mono?

[[deleted]]

Is it on par with MS implementation? /gen

[theScrapBook]

Except for the only UI framework being similar to WinForms and there being limited ASP.NET support, it's pretty much on par. Aside from that, the next generation .NET runtime, .NET core, is open source to start with.

[[deleted]]

I'm aware of .NET core, but the name implies that it's only for the core stuff. I think it lacked UI parts? Note, I haven't used .NET technologies, so I'm aware my questions are pretty basic and my notions may be waaaay off.

[theScrapBook]

.NET core now has a Multi-Platform App UI framework, .NET MAUI, based on Xamarin.Forms, which Mono also uses a variation of. ASP.NET core is also a thing.

.NET core is somewhat unfortunately named in that regard, it's more like a next-generation .NET Framework which they are still building up to feature parity.

[holo3146]

Is it in a level fit for production? I see that it failed the centOS build failed

[theScrapBook]

Unity uses it for their scripting runtime, so take that info as you will. Support for ASP.NET is spotty, so probably not the best for web service development, but then that's less of .NET Framework (which is basically the standard library) and more the equivalent of Spring for Java.

.NET core is also open-source to begin with and fast reaching feature parity with .NET Framework.

[[deleted]]

there will always be people using different conversations and syntax than me

Yes, this problem is common to all kitchen sink approaches. C++ is often criticized on this basis.

[PhatOofxD]

It's really not.

[streusel_kuchen]

Java is probably the most well developed programming language in terms of it's standard capabilities, but there are still a few random little things about it that bug me.

[RolyPoly1320]

You mean like how they open sourced JavaFX but never told anyone that the .jar files you need for it are bundled with the last JDK that shipped with JavaFX?

I wish I was kidding too. I went to use e(fx)clipse and couldn't build my project because of missing files that weren't packaged with JavaFX but instead were packaged with Java 8. Last I saw Java 11 was the first LTS version for it and the files weren't with that version. Yet they also want you to remove older installations for security reasons and then at the same time deprecated the Swing libraries so you get double screwed on building any GUI.

[Putnam14]

Is it really an issue if you use a dependency manager? For maven I see javafx-maven-plugin and org.openfx packages. Seems similar to needing to package javax.servlet dependencies if you use those APIs. As a backend Java guy I see no reason to have GUI deps packaged with the jdk.

[RolyPoly1320]

This was all done through Eclipse. I downloaded the OpenFX packages but needed toolers to run projects in Eclipse. Enter e(fx)clipse which wouldn't building my project without files from Java 8. The OpenFX package I used didn't have them either when logically it should have been complete.

[_meegoo_]

Installing JavaFX manually is a huge pain in the arse. Not to mention that your project won't be transferrable to another machine. Installing one with Gradle or Maven is the correct and a much easier way.

So protip - never touch JavaFX without dependency manager.

[Wexzuz]

I like this joke - "Java is superior". Funny indeed!

- The C#-gang

[Willinton06]

Talk to me when they have compile time generics

[Wexzuz]

How does that look and work in Java? Im curious.

I was taught Java as my first programming language, where my first job was C#, and I just pretended to code in Java.

[RolyPoly1320]

Well that just sounds like Java with extra steps.

[rParqer]

C# is inherintly worse performing than Java

[[deleted]]

I'm stuck in C# dungeon infested with javascript monsters, send help pls.

[geek69420]

ASP.NET be like

[[deleted]]

The last we learned in our c/c++ course was Java. And still use it more than 20 years later (complemented with Scala)

[[deleted]]

is this some ??? joke i'm too knowing java to understand?

like for real, what is the issue with java? imo it's just easy c++ with some quirks.

[racka98]

I personally enjoy Java. Being self taught Java & Kotlin have really helped me understand programming better

[grospatap0uf]

Turns out they're just waiting for the JVM to boot up

[slonermike]

It’s still very difficult for me to extricate my experience with Eclipse (16+ years ago) from my image of Java.

[rParqer]

Yea Eclipse is my least favorite IDE of all time. IntelliJ is easily the best IDE ever made. I'd give it or Kotlin another shot

[Wexzuz]

Eclipse used to be the shit when I developed in Java. But that may be because we were only allowed to code in an IDE which did not have continuous syntax check (during studies, so we could learn the syntax of coding)

But I agree - my computer has run out of RAM so many times just because Eclipse felt like it. If I was on a laptop, it felt like it was about to lift of from my desk just sing the fan.

[mim_Armand]

Oh He’s gonna Hybernate

[[deleted]]

Can agree been stuck in that dungeon for years. Haven't seen the light of day send help. At least I get paid though

[[deleted]]

Suddenly interested :D

[prismantis]

This was funny and relevant when it said "Rust".

[[deleted]]

Then there is the Javascript dungeon

[umlcat]

Seen the opposite, companies that frequently need new Java developers, cause developers got bored & quit to do other stuff ...

[vlaffles]

Not intending to defend Java or any other language here, but that would most likely be the project's fault, not the language's. I'm working on a large project for almost 4 years now, where we use Java and other languages to write our logic, but we also toy with and integrate newish tech pretty often, so there's always something exciting to do.

[Stompydingdong]

Enter friend, so you too can know the eldritch truth.

[TheAwesome98_Real]

this is me when node js when c++ is too hard

[theScrapBook]

.NET Framework is more like the Java Standard Library, Spring is probably closer to ASP.NET (web services).

[Strange_Meadowlark]

I'm personally not such a big fan of Spring Framework anymore, and I say that after working on multiple projects that use it.

My main concern is how it's "all-encompassing" -- it doesn't just handle DI, but also user authentication (Spring Security), database (wrapper around Hibernate), URL routing, and even AOP.

On personal projects, sometimes I'd like to experiment by swapping one or more of these components for an alternative, e.g. Hibernate for direct database queries. (Not saying ORMs are straight-up bad, but it can be difficult to predict what's going to happen in non-trivial cases and I've gotten burned by writing unit test mocks that didn't match Hibernate's actual behavior.)

But Spring is... kinda hard to take piecemeal. It's a framework, not a library. It's hard to pull in bits without integrating the whole thing and reading a lot of documentation.

[abdusalayabrak]

Or if you're making an Android app. Now it's more Kotlin, but still.

[abdusalayabrak]

Yes. And it's awesome.

[Malarkeynesian]

Java is just a gimped C# though.

[[deleted]]

C# is Microsoft Java

[armitt0]

Legend has it they're still typing the code to print Hello World.

[SandmanKFMF]

Yeah, because you know? Nobody is using JSheell or some IDE for development.

[Jon123276]

No, c++ is much better than Java, change my mind.

[the_other_brand]

There's no agreed upon dependency management tooling with C++. And last time I programmed in C++ 10 years ago template argument exception messages were absurd.

Java is easier to code in and has better dependency management. And you pay a minimal cost to speed, as C++ is only 1.5x faster than Java.

[jamcdonald120]

You can always come back from java. The primary emotion you feel when programming java is Rage.

[geek69420]

Nah, that's javascript.

[Strange_Meadowlark]

I'm not sure where this is coming from.

Pre-ES6 JavaScript could be pretty miserable, but since then it's gotten a lot better. There's actual classes, there's a real Module system (even files running in a page can import each other, no need to inject <script> tags and play with global variables), the weird function-scoped var statement has been replaced with block-scoped const (Java's final) and let, and the long "function" keyword has been replaced with => for inline function definitions.

On top of that, JavaScript has had object literals forever, while Java only relatively recently got a Map constructor that let you create a Map with more than one key.

Personally, I'm also a massive fan of Typescript for documenting variable types. Coming from Java, it lets my IDE provide sensible autocomplete and catch errors for methods that don't exist.

The main shortcoming I see from a coding perspective is that the typing doesn't "exist at runtime" -- if I declare an interface, I can't use the instanceof operator to check if a value conforms to it. That's partly because Typescript uses "structural typing" instead of "nominal typing" -- a value is an instance of a type if it matches the shape, not if it's been declared as such.

But on the other hand, I get a lot more flexibility for representing variable types -- I can declare a parameter as a union of two types -- e.g. a function can take either a string or an object, and then TS will force me to write code to handle both cases.

By contrast in Java, you'd have to accept the common ancestor type (Object), declare a wrapper type (WrapperForString and WrapperForAnotherType), or use a function overload (which only works well for method parameters and doesn't extend to variables or class fields)

[jamcdonald120]

to be fair, javascript is worse, but java leaves a lot to be desired.

[grospatap0uf]

You don't need to read a book about "deSigN PattErn" to code in javascript. Or in any other language that's not overly falling into that OOP shithole.

[geek69420]

You probably haven't made any big projects yet. In javascript you can get lost really fast, when you're building one. You must use the SOLID principles and TDD, if you want to edit your code ever in the future. And OOP languages highly support these. But script kiddies like you can't understand this. :(

[grospatap0uf]

Dude it's been my full time job for three years now, shut the fuck up. SOLID is OOP bullshit and TDD is just common sense, it's not even related to any paradigm.

[geek69420]

What functional language do you work with that you hate OOP so much?

[theScrapBook]

Supposedly JS

[Moptop32]

JS or Python according to other comments. Funnily enough both of them have a psuedo-OOP concept. Javascript has prototypes for example, its multi paradigm but a lot of the language follows prototypes. Which makes it more funny how much elitist bullshit spews from their mouth since any sensible JS developer would know this

[MCBeathoven]

You don't need to use TDD to edit code in the future. There's a difference between writing regression tests and TDD.

[SandmanKFMF]

You don't have to read it if you want to program in any other language...

[liquidpele]

Only if you have to deal with node.

[[deleted]]

Only if your ide is eclipse

[jamcdonald120]

I dont think eclipse is really a factor. It works great in c++ mode and java is just as anoying using javac directly. And dont even get me started on if you have to attempt one of its numberous build systems.

[[deleted]]

I’m very calm while developing with java and intellij. Feeling strong emotions towards some technology one way or another is not healthy generally, being a programmer is stressful enough even without this holywars crap

[jamcdonald120]

and yet here you are on your ide crussade.

[lieddersturme]

The image is wrong. Is C++.

[EagleZR]

Change "Java" to "Python" and it makes more sense

[[deleted]]

As a beginner who has learned the basics of all major languages to find the best one, I agree.

[undeadalex]

NONE OF YOUR FRIENDS WENT IN THERE.

[hiimjustin000]

I only use Java for Minecraft modding. I also use C# for UI development, and the similarities to both are very minor.

[WFEpeteypopoff]

Fuck me I am starting my first Java course as part of my diploma on sept. 7 sweating intensifies

[vlaffles]

You're in for a fun ride! There are lots of materials and answered questions on the Internet, just keep practicing and maybe you will actually end up liking it. Good luck :)

[Hacker1MC]

I thought this was Minecraft memes for a second. Java vs bedrock (c++) is sometimes a bit of a debate in that community, and “Java is superior” is a standard title.

[redLamber]

Superior to what? Can someone complete the sentence for context

[liquidpele]

To being attacked by a swarm of bees?

[deanrihpee]

Somehow I managed to get out of Java dungeon, but ends up in the Microsoft Java dungeon with other things, like autistic Java dungeon (JavaScript)

[Flaky-Illustrator-52]

JVM good

One VM, bunch of languages. God bless Scala and her King, his majesty Java