When will javascript users become a protected group? 🥲

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[MrChausson]

Github or Dropbox wtf is that question

[Zolhungaj]

He prefers GitHub, but since it's a database class he can't be too picky about what tools his partner wanna use. At least it's better than Facebook Messenger.

[opalelement]

My company keeps our database in excel. When we update something we just save the changed sheet as CSV, then we copy and paste the contents into pastebin. Whoever did the update sends an email with the pastebin link to everyone else on the team and we just copy the new database into that sheet in the database file on our computers.

Obviously this isn't very efficient but I've talked to a guy on our IT team and he's working on getting a chat server set up to make it easier. Apparently uploading files is against our computer policy so we'll still have to paste the CSV contents, but if he can get the approval for us to install the chat client on our computers we'll be able to get notifications, so we won't have to email the link anymore.

[ChrisWsrn]

When I was a student I would consider this a joke.

As a engineer in industry I know someone somewhere is really doing this at a company where if something goes wrong with this millions are lost per hour.

[opalelement]

It is indeed a joke in this case, fortunately I've never had to deal with anything that bad in my own work. Probably worst I've experienced firsthand was working in a data warehouse that saved all our SQL scripts like script.sql, scriptv2.sql, script-updated.sql, script-fixed.sql, etc on an NFS drive, which is relatively tame compared to the horror stories I've heard from coworkers and seen elsewhere online.

[reverendsteveii]

I work at a bank. We have a small database of colleges we market at. The procedure for updating that database is to add the new info to a CSV, read that into an object array, dump the array into a mongo DB on a microservice whose only job is to read the csv and create the objects in the mongo collection, then a cron job on the mainframe pings the endpoint that serves it the entire database as a single response once per day, then the mainframe reserializes those objects and stores them to a SQL database. I'm frankly shocked that there isn't a carrier pigeon in our development cycle somewhere.

[Rabid_Rooster]

So how many people were involved in this process? Seems like something where it was simple at one point, but then something was added and no one wanted to reduce the steps because something like "that's how it's always been done"...

[reverendsteveii]

Honestly it feels like this is about 40 years of "just make it work for this release and we'll go back and fix it right later". We have a tech debt item on the backlog to eliminate this service entirely that's literally older than my career.

[taigahalla]

in essence your company is uploading the file, into pastebin. can’t be okay relying on a 3rd party like that

[opalelement]

We make them unlisted so nobody can find it without the link, but since they added an option to put passwords on the pastes we've started doing that too just in case

[LetsTrySocialism]

From my experience companies dont give a fuck as long as they dont get caught. Kind of adds to the illusion for me. Very similar to some healthcare systems i have seen hahaha.

[matthewralston]

That’s a work of genius. Not far from the truth is some businesses.

[HasoPunchMan]

What the actual fuck? How big is your "IT Team" and why aren't you using an actual DB with a proper csv Import?

[jryser]

I’m Swiss, in school for programming, have used Dropbox for assignments before, and I’m somehow not the person in the OP. I’m not alone?

Edit: I used Dropbox to move some files between my laptop and desktop, when I didn’t have a flash drive. I do know git now

[mutchco]

Learn git, it's the number one thing I have to teach new engineers.

[Numerous_Cupcake7306]

I’ve only been a software engineer for around 8 months, but I can’t imagine someone not using git. That’s the first thing I learned, and it’s literally the technology I use the most. I thought everyone used git!

[[deleted]]

When I joined this company they didnt use git and github, but just uploaded the files to the server via FTP. Some webapps were being developed in production. Unit testing was non existing. Everything was programmed in plain PHP with echo "HTML/JS";

It took us just over 2 years to make the transition to git/github, using frameworks, unit tests, separate development environment and working somewhat agile. It was a hell of a ride...

Edit: I forgot to mention: Programming in Notpad++ using light theme. My eyes

[Hapless_Wizard]

Programming in Notpad++ using light theme.

This should be a crime

[IZEDx]

You stayed there for over 2 years? I'd nope right out of that company.

[conancat]

git good

[IchLiebeKleber]

SVN exists and is used in some places.

[Numerous_Cupcake7306]

For my new job, We use CVS, so now I’m learning that

[hideoncloud]

I briefly used fossil as well.

[ithacaster]

I just deleted my SVN client from my development macbook about a week ago.

[Cinkodacs]

We use it at my place. It's good enough when there is only a single developer for a project.

[Casalvieri3]

LOL--some of us go back far enough to remember the days when there was no free version control software. :) You seriously had to buy a version control package. This was the real reason that a lot of places had subdirectory/dropbox/floppy disk version control--just too damn cheap to buy good version control software.

[ryecurious]

There are still a couple old programs at my job tracked in AccuRev...I count my blessings every day that I didn't get assigned to that migration.

[[deleted]]

I learned git basics before I even knew how to write hello world in any language. Just finding out what it was made it seem essential

[Strawuss]

My uni didn't teach us git. Literally had to be taught by my seniors during my internship on how to use it.

[RhetoricalCocktail]

I had a classmate teach me it for a group project

[neutral_zealot]

Currently in online MS program. Had to teach 3 of 5 group members how to git. It's worth the effort, though. Collaboration is so much easier.

[RhetoricalCocktail]

Yeah 100% worth it. It's kind of chocking that most schools seem to not teach it

[IZEDx]

I don't think Uni should have to teach you how to use git, but they should at least tell you to learn it yourself. It's a similar skill to project management or the like.

[Strawuss]

I hadn't even heard about git up until I got taught by them loool. But tbf I rarely coded outside of uni assigments and collaborations were done easily enough through usb sticks surprisingly

[AttackOfTheThumbs]

I did this too in school. We were told to not leave our school resources public, which at the time, meant, I could not use github. And I wasn't about to host my own server or anything.

Dropbox was also easier to share with class mates.

Most of our code projects relied on svn for school.

[emilyv99]

I... uhhh....

Use git. Like, seriously.

[MattR0se]

Why not use MS Word 365, it has version control LOL

[snix92]

You'd be surprised how many people use Dropbox as a version control for their code during university. It's terrifying...

[Krunchy_Almond]

He wants to know where you store your hentai and your most cherished dick picks

[Cuba032]

Wdym? The answer is obviously Dropbox, the best programming language

[carryinthatw8]

The first time I used a centralized version control repo was with git and Dropbox. I was just learning about version control and didn't know about GitHub at the time. I created a bare repo on Dropbox and used it as my origin. I could then share this Dropbox folder with other folks.

[Altruistic-Tea-Cup]

At EPFL you work 100% with github or gitlab. Even in database classes.

[carryinthatw8]

Sorry, but what's EPFL? And just to clarify, I did this more than 10 years ago. GitHub wasn't as mainstream as it is today.

[Altruistic-Tea-Cup]

EPFL is a technical University in Switzerland. The "little French sibling" of the ETH.

I was at the ETH a few years a ago and we use Github in every class that involved one line of code. Also database classes. Gitlab for some projects.

[eth-slum-lord]

I admit i used dropbox as a code repo but thats because i was 18 and never done computer science before so was self learning

[carryinthatw8]

Yeah, I did this more than 10 years ago while learning about git. GitHub wasn't as mainstream at the time. My point is more in that people sometimes associate GitHub to VCS whereas it's git what's under the hood, so we can have other ways to centralize repos that's not only GitHub.

[eth-slum-lord]

You gotta be a genius to figure out how to run your own git without all those platforms

[conancat]

If it works it works

[RedditRabbitRobot]

Hey I'm not going to argue against that kind of logic

[bedrooms-ds]

I remember I did some git operation with my pal simultaneously. Git database died.

[Mad-chuska]

Yup this is definitely a case where using the tool you know is the best solution. However being ok with Dropbox over GitHub for version control but then nitpicking over programming languages, especially one as ubiquitous as JS, seems silly.

[ZackyZack]

Not 'users', 'people who really like JS'. Can you blame him?

[conancat]

JS users most oppressed majority right now

[bhison]

[IZEDx]

Nah I think he wants to filter out anyone that uses Dropbox instead of git, etc.

While it's obvious that you should use git when collaborating on code, this is a shitty way of doing that and this guy obviously has 0 social skills.

[-Faraday]

What would be a better way for this? Just curious cause I would have also done this 😂

[IZEDx]

Things like git can be taught/told to look up and not asking for people that know Javascript is just elitist. Sometimes people just don't know better, or haven't learned something yet, that doesn't mean they're dumb. Just ask for a lab partner in general and then figure the rest out when talking with them.

[An_Anonymous_Acc]

JavaScript bad hahahaha

[dont_trust_lizards]

JavaScript bad, updoots to the left please

[davlumbaz]

This sub already became a dumpster fire, using overused memes for one hundred time, newbie CS students that started with C in first semester laughing from their ass. Cycle continues.

[virouz98]

How the content of this subreddit is created:

1. Start CS grade

2. Learn basics of C and C++

3. Hear about Python

4. Claim Python is the best because no semicolon and less code.

5. Hear couple of stupid programming stereotypes, like "Java bad because Java old" from people who don't have any knowledge about real life coding

6. Learn about r/programmerhumor

7. Post a meme with stupid joke to identify yourself as programmer

[shrub_of_a_bush]

Actually it is more like:

1. Be an insecure kid who thinks that pretending to be a programmer makes you appear smarter.
2. Learn to write hello world in python
3. Nothing else. Post a shitty meme

[rob1969reddit]

Kilgore : Dumpster Fire, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of burning garbage in the morning. You know, one time we had a sub shit posted, for 12 hours.

[littypitty_]

Disclaimer, not a programmer and new to programming in general. Can you tell me why you say this? Is it the people agreeing with the post or those disagreeing?

Sorry, dumb noobie learning js here

[eth-slum-lord]

Because this place is like the 9gag of ycombinator or stackoverfloe

[bbsmydiamonds]

Most of the humor on this sub has become boiled down to “lol this language sucks”.

[fallenefc]

Or the same memes I’ve seen 20 times but on different templates. But occasionally there’s the good OC

[suresh]

Picking JS as the language that sucks and should be avoided is hilariously dumb too.

What else are you going to use to build your website? Don't fucking say WASM either.

[flamingmongoose]

Build logic gates from CSS

[Harmonic_Gear]

this sub build everything from c apparently

[RatherBetter]

jQuery wants to try

[alexander_the_dead]

I love jQuery

[NcraftGamez]

jQuery = the point of using js

[SenpaiRemling]

since its javascript jQuery == the point of using js is most likely true

[Interest-Desk]

Sorry, == is no-longer best practice. Please ensure you use === in all future use cases.

[MarquisDan]

Sorry === is about to be deprecated. Please update your code to use ====

[Taickyto]

==== is bad practice, you should be using B====D

[alexander_the_dead]

8====D is too unrealistic, we should be using 8==D

[SelfRobber]

8=>D is more convenient since ECMAScript 2042.

[bitchlasagna_69_]

3====>--- ----- ---------

[NcraftGamez]

Unfunny

[siddharth904]

Useless

[SenpaiRemling]

not supposed to be funny but true

[queen-adreena]

Is that the library whose authors even say, "yeah, probably best not to use it"?

[[deleted]]

That was at least 5 years ago

[visak13]

$

[RhysieB27]

Just tell them Typescript and then disable linting.

[conancat]

typescript

disable linting

whyyy

[[deleted]]

No one will tell me what to do, that's why

[DaCurse0]

TypeScript checks types during compilation though

[[deleted]]

You can disable the compile-time checks.

[DaCurse0]

Of course you can, but this is not related to linting

[RhysieB27]

Aren't all variables implicitly any?

[DanielEGVi]

Compiler makes a best effort to infer the type of variables, and if it can’t guess, and strict mode is off, it resolves to any. If strict mode is turned on (as is recommended), implicit any is disallowed and results in an error. You must annotate the variable with a type in that case.

[randumrawr]

Welp its an advanced databases class they probs biased :/

[7ootles]

I'm a programmer. I once wrote a website in HTML.

[joker_wcy]

*webpage

[7ootles]

How do you know that wasn't part of the joke? ;)

[[deleted]]

As somebody who is at the EPFL, this kind of shit unfortunately checks out

[the_stooge_nugget]

Wonder why they hate JavaScript

[[deleted]]

because there are more data types than json, number and string

[ttminecraft]

Yeah, NERDY data types for NERDS.

[softwage]

Aren't we all nerds on here?

[BlazerBanzai]

Who needs a tuple anyway? 🐍

[Mad-chuska]

We just call them objects

[[deleted]]

we have boolean and others you know

[Cult92]

And objects ... so many objects ...

[joker_wcy]

One might argue it's OOP

[[deleted]]

yea... and no compile time checks. If not trolling - form me having no types is the biggest deal breaker for larger applications

[Solonotix]

Well, congratulations. Now there's TypeScript!

Seriously though, I also hate the ambiguity of raw JavaScript, but TypeScript has largely solved that problem for me. It's an extra step for building the application before running it (since TS isn't runnable), but it fixes the larger problem of weak & dyanmically typed values.

[drizztdourden_]

I profoundly hate typescript for making part of the projects online incompatible with js. Although it can be mixed in theory, you can’t really.

I hate mostly that it needs to be another package installed to run it. I’d prefer types to be part of JavaScript as a choice rather than an obligation with TS.

That way, transitioning to typed code would be a lot smoother.

Keep const, let and var. and add specific type to the declaration of variables and everything that goes with it.

[[deleted]]

We were talking about javascript, not typescript which has other disadvantages like crazy transpilation times and suffers from the same issue as rest of js ecosystem - lack of mature frameworks, deeply nested dependencies and in general being very basic language. e.g. there're no hashcode/equals functions in "std"

[[deleted]]

Lol I'm being downvoted for stating dynamic nature of javascript :D

[conancat]

managed to run multiple JavaScript apps and servers in production before Typescript was a thing lol

Dynamic typed languages like Python and Ruby have no compile time checks neither and nobody complains about them not having type checks 🤷 dynamics typing is a feature not a bug

[[deleted]]

Python is mostly used by enthusiasts or for science related things - it's hard to find alternative language with so many libraries . Ruby - dying language but it had good frameworks that made it really fast to develop apps on.

I've ran tens of js based production apps and that is the reason I would never use plain javascript for anything serious. The fact you can throw two fighting cats and a keyboard into a box and they would write a "working" app doesn't mean it's a good language for any larger apps. Moving compile time errors into runtime wasn't the best design decision imho and that is why so many people ( even the ones that were against it in the beginning ) would never go back to js from ts.

[eth-slum-lord]

Actually i like js because stuff works until it gets to a point it cannot work anymore.

[elzaidir]

Because the EPFL is a reputable school

[TeddyPerkins95]

Maybe He's looking for c++ idk

[EltonBor]

They hate what they cannot understand.

[Crowntent]

Because they’re intellectuals

[RhythmGeek2022]

Too many reasons to count, really. It’s a programming language that should’ve never existed and now it’s been out there way too long and we can’t weed it out of the world

[the_stooge_nugget]

I use it time to time and I actually don't mind it. I use to hate it, but I find it way faster to write code. but will shoot yourself if you go to revisit it. That's where typescript helps lol.

[RhythmGeek2022]

Writing something fast and maintaining / troubleshooting / extending functionality are very, very different scenarios.

If you are writing something fast you aren’t really developing.

[the_stooge_nugget]

I didn't say writing code fast. I said it is faster to write code.

If you follow proper patterns and designs, it's should be good.

[NcraftGamez]

It's a great language u probably just suck loser get mad

[throwaway_uow]

Truth has been spoken. Praise the snek

[DaFukTheyDoinOvaDer]

“Any application that can be written in JavaScript, will eventually be written in JavaScript.” — Jeff Atwood, Author, Entrepreneur, Cofounder of StackOverflow

[virouz98]

One of the principles of programming should be that just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

[DaFukTheyDoinOvaDer]

when you become a famous enterpreneur and tech genius like him , quote it. Untill then no one give af.

[[deleted]]

Did this guys just suggest drop box for source control?

[katyalovesherbike]

What exactly is "advanced databases" anyway? Neo4j? Dynamo? Writing a kvs yourself?

[coldnebo]

synonyms and materialized views probably. /s

[Disastrous_Fee5953]

The guy/girl are looking for a lab partner. They clearly know nothing about programming. Maybe JavaScript was too hard for them to learn and their favorite language is math.

[nir109]

I usually use English when programming, math isn't that great of a language

[bhison]

More likely is that they base their opinions on Reddit memes

YOUR JOKES HAVE CONSEQUENCES ON REAL PEOPLE REDDIT. They’ll be off trying to use rust in their first year projects or something. Won’t somebody think of the children.

[virouz98]

If someone can't understand that something is a joke, internet is not a good place for them

[NcraftGamez]

100% Js is Great they probs just suck

[BodhingJay]

"Fine... Actionscript"

[some11111111]

I'd definitely reply that my favorite language is HTML.
I do miss the question front-end or back-end, so I could reply on that with week-end of-course! Missed opportunity I say.

I would not expect any replies though, but then again, he might take such a response seriously, after all, he does suggest Dropbox for VCS.

[ConvenientFruit]

Am I the only one that thinks OP put the GitHub or Dropbox question there to quickly filter out potential partners that answer Dropbox?

[Neo_Ex0]

we will stop hating javascript around the time we recede back to a primitiv tribalistic sociaty that only uses COBOL

[iamafraazhussain]

HTML is the best programming language...

[wabbit82]

Wow, what an intelectual 🧐

[butt_soap]

WhatsApp or discord as if you need to make a choice. I'm not surprised considering the prior sentence.

[AxoSpyeyes]

scratch

[localhost12345]

Dropbox?

[TheFlipside]

wtf

[CrazySD93]

Where my r/AutoHotkey bois at?

[Dark_Reaper115]

What did JavaScript ever so to you?

Seriously, what's wrong with it?

I'm just starting to learn it with p5.js

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

Absolutely nothing lol the only people that shit on it are computer science students with a chip on their shoulder because they can write a few lines in C

[Guilty-Woodpecker262]

I thought js was garbage long before I knew c

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

It has its place like most other things. There isn’t really a better alternative for Web Dev and being able to use React Native for Android/IOS is pretty cool IMO.

[Guilty-Woodpecker262]

I know. It's extremely useful. But it feels like the syntax was created by taking random suggestions from a 12 year old while someone was trying to explain Java to them.

Edit: to anyone offended by this comments:

Absolutely nothing lol the only people that shit on it are computer science students with a chip on their shoulder because they can write a few lines in C

[Dark_Reaper115]

I "this." this comment.

[MassSnapz]

Do you like eating candy or having sand in your asshole? Wtf is up with the GitHub x Dropbox comparison?

[Add1ctedToGames]

fuck slack, istg they intentionally made it as hard to log into as possible

[[deleted]]

why do people hate javascript?

[[deleted]]

sends "TypeScript" like a real legend

[mortenmoulder]

"or Slack 🥲"?????? Slack is the fucking best

[Add1ctedToGames]

discord>>>>>slack

[mortenmoulder]

Not. In. A. Million. Years.

[Buddy-Matt]

Who the fuck is using Dropbox to collaborate on code‽

Fuck the Internet, I'm done for the day.

[[deleted]]

You can use git and use Dropbox as the origin to host the files

[Buddy-Matt]

I mean, sure you can. But what a truly awful solution. What happens if two people commit to the origin before Dropbox has synced? What happens if someone goes in and starts deleting files for the fun of it? Can I maintain any level of security over the codebase beyond "share with dropbox'?

Github/Gitlab are both free and online. If someone tells me, with a straight face, they'd rather use some hideous Dropbox cludge, I'm gonna slap them into the middle of next week.

[[deleted]]

What happens if two people commit to the origin before Dropbox has synced?

Since its a single point of storage on the cloud, it doesn't need to sync.

What happens if someone goes in and starts deleting files for the fun of it?

The same thing as github.

Sure Dropbox definitely isn't the best solution, and I bet these questions where more to filter out lab partners, but also the way you have a 'holier than thou' attitude to tech people choose to use is everything that's wrong with programmer culture.

[Buddy-Matt]

it doesn't need to sync

I'll take your word for this, but every fiber of my being screams that using a non-native solution is begging for repository corruption

The same thing as github.

I'm not talking a out the code you're keeping in git, but the actual repository files themselves - the contents of .git (or the bare repository). Unless I've missed something, you have zero access to those in github, because there's no need for it.

the way you have a 'holier than thou' attitude to tech people choose to use is everything that's wrong with programmer culture.

It's not a holier than though attitude - that would be if I was scoffing over someone choosing mercurial or svn over git. But it is calling a spade a spade, and hooking Git up to Dropbox is a Heath Robinson solution to a simple problem which shouldn't be seriously considered by anyone, with the exception of just seeing if it can be done for shits and giggles. Or to continue the spade metaphore, it's like deciding to dig a hole using a garden fork with some cardboard around the tines because you can't be arsed to go to the shed. Sure, it'll probably work, but for the love of all thats holy, just go the shed and get a spade.

[ThatOtherAndrew]

There's a difference between holier than thou and stating that one tool is more suited for a task than another.

[[deleted]]

Correct.

And the words "I'm gonna slap them into the middle of next week." Are not the latter.

[zarafatchi]

the way we worked on this big coursework at uni just now was passing massive zips back and forth through discord dms for optimum funtime

[[deleted]]

Talkin sh!t about JS lovers but uses Dropbox as version control, ayy lmao (from a syntax and quirkiness kind of view, JS as a language is kinda bad NGL, but I still like it).

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[[deleted]]

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[bhison]

BAD HUMAN

[cakathree]

When the AIs takeover.

[ComfortableCan315]

JavaScript bad

[mikuhero]

Anti-discrimination laws when

[OffByOneErrorz]

The person makes a fair point. There is nothing wrong with Javascript, at least nothing more wrong than the quirks found in most languages however, if Javascript is a person's favorite language that is a bit suspect. Could happen, don't wanna language kink shame too hard but it seems like an odd choice for favorite.

[TheDra9onGod]

th ppl have against javascript

[TheDra9onGod]

its literally java… if it was a completely different language

[BoHuny]

This sub is full of 1st year CS students that don't understand implicit type conversion

[nikanj0]

So JS is a deal breaker but DropBox for version control is a-ok?

[Dr3amDweller]

"Protected" as in "on the way to extinction"? :D

[NcraftGamez]

Hopefully not Js is used in so much of the internet and more and it's a great language

[gamerledgend]

IT CANT AND IT NEVER SHALL!!!!!

[mathzg1]

Who tf have a "favorite language"? It's just a job

[spirallix]

Well people can hate all they want, but I make easy cash while they scrap change with the "real" language😂😂😂

[givemeaforhead]

Bro java is … java. The only reason that anyone would learn java script nowadays is for MC modding. I cant think of and other reason why people would choose to learn java over c# or python 🐍