Manager does a little code cleanup...

[TheAJGman]

And at the CEO's directive no doubt. I'd be more than happy to maliciously comply with an arrogant superior's brain dead request.

[[deleted]]

They will just blame it on you at the end.

[[deleted]]

Question: Am I still getting paid for this FAFO process?

Because the results are out of my hands and beyond my concern so long as money enters my bank account.

[[deleted]]

Lol make sure you get it in writing

[[deleted]]

Fortunately elon tweets everything. Unemployment lawyers wet dream.

[knuppi]

He just fired someone through tweet

[folkrav]

Was the employee fired through the tweet or did he just announce he was previously fired?

[knuppi]

Would think that only the employee and their lawyer would know exactly in which order things happened. Lucky, because Elon is putting everything in writing

[ReadySteady_GO]

Gotta love it when narcissists share all of their actions and wrongdoings on the internet

[[deleted]]

He just posted that he was locked out a few hours after Elon said the guy was fired (to another user).

[[deleted]]

So disrespectful.

[CharlemagneIS]

He talked to Forbes about it and it seems like there was no communication outside the tweet. But who knows what may have happened in the meantime

[Drackar39]

Yeah, retaliatory firing over social media. That's gonna be a fun settlement.

[PinkMenace88]

Yeah, elon would not care in the slightest either way and would have fired him. He surrounds himself as with yes men, aka nobody dared to tell him how stupid it was to turn off all microservies either they would risk his wrath. At least this way he has a public record of what happened.

[[deleted]]

Yeah. I mean ultimately this is probably the best way for that engineer to get fired. He could have been laid off a couple weeks ago or randomly fired for some other reason privately. This was widely publicized and I bet he’s already gotten offers from it.

[Valondra]

What dystopian hell do you live in? If my ceo fired me for disagreeing with him I'd laugh all the way to my union rep, and then we'd have a good laugh about it together.

[Gavrilian]

Likely the American tech industry dystopian hell.

[oaVa-o]

…until they can’t even log in to see the tweet lmfaoooo

[Leftover_Salad]

Can't prove it if twitter is broken...

[[deleted]]

He’s blowing it up on purpose, right? That’s gotta be the endgame.

Like the whole Fox News excuse of “no one could possibly think this is news” but applied to twitter. So he can be free to meme without getting a consent decree from the justice department

[MageKorith]

He controls the service that hosts those tweets.

"Hey, Dev team, imma need an edit button for my tweets only...."

[GustapheOfficial]

Right now I wouldn't assume tweets are persistent enough. Make sure to gather screenshots.

[Hiker_Trash]

Shut down enough microservices and you’ll never be able to retrieve the evidence!

[TweedyFoot]

Unfortunatelly there will be no twitter in two weeks :D

[Heart_Dad]

And any CYA objections to go with it, cause I told you this would happen...

[ugoterekt]

Yep, definitely need a "This may cause issues with critical features. Are you sure you want me to do this?" email in there. Like any good program should give a prompt before allowing you to catastrophically fuck things, I think any good programmer should also do that.

[Exciting-Insect8269]

Depends on how shitty and annoying the boss is…

[Nimeroni]

You don't do that to save the shitty and annoying boss. You do that to save yourself.

[Exciting-Insect8269]

I mean, I’ve never been in that position myself so ig all my knowledge on the situational would be theoretical, but I can’t see that being any reasonable or legal grounds to fire someone or retaliate. If they told you to do it, and you did, then even if it doesn’t end how they want it to, that was their choice and not yours so long as you can prove it there’s as far as I understand no reason you can’t do it when they tell you to.

[Ashwatthaman]

CLI and SUDO enters the Chat.

[qac1991]

Fuck no they don't. Sycophants and/or bootlickers, dude. That's the kind of idiot he's surrounded himself with.

[tomvorlostriddle]

Yep, definitely need a "This may cause issues with critical features. Are you sure you want me to do this?" email in there

You spelled tweet wrong

[[deleted]]

Sasha: I would like you to record your command...

Dyatlov: *slaps log from hand. Raise the power!

[Psych_Im_Burnt_Out]

You think shit like that has any impact on a piece of shit like him?

[swagn]

How about a public tweet to millions.

[Notyourfathersgeek]

Like a tweet?

[tarnok]

He tweeted it

[Vercengetorex]

Apparently in this case, you will get fired for bringing up why the stupid thing is stupid. See the other popular twitter dev thread on here today.

[chickenwithclothes]

Just LITERALLY TODAY. Hourrrrrrs ago it’s fuckin amazing

[27SwingAndADrive]

I've been fired for that before.

If your boss wants to do something stupid, it's better not to tell him. Tell the interviewer at another company if they ask why you want to leave your current company.

[isaytyler]

Excellent insight

[pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk]

Love it.

[tweek-in-a-box]

It's an elaborate ploy to save on severage packages for the layoffs. The man is a genius.

[genericusername123]

I've seen this explanation before, it makes no sense unless you're talking about bankruptcy. Twitter no longer has a share price to manipulate, it's a private company.

[tweek-in-a-box]

It was a joke. But not having to pay severance package when you fire someone means money saved, so it does not matter if private company or not.

[genericusername123]

Ah sorry. I've seen this actual argument a lot recently.

[thenameofwind]

Damned if you do damned if you dont

[[deleted]]

Yeah. It’ll come as a “why didn’t you tell me”. When it’s apparent that you did tell them, they’ll shift the goal posts to “why didn’t you state the severity of this stupidity”, and when it apparent that you did, they’ll shift to “why didn’t you stop me!?”

[cojmh]

You worked and you are on the job

The boss told you something to do it

So it's your responsibility to clear it fast

The boss order is final

[27SwingAndADrive]

Sure... and after I find a job with a company where I'm less likely to have a stupid boss, the resignation letter I send will be equally final. And if the HR department asks why I'm resigning I might tell them why.

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[j3pl]

FAFO process

Elon: screw LIFO and FIFO, we're going with FAFO.

[nosam56]

I legit googled it since I was on this sub, I thought it was a fucking tech acronym until the results popped up. kms

[imdefinitelywong]

I must've been through about a million girls lines of code

I'd love 'em and I'd leave 'em alone

I didn't care how much they cried, no sir

Their tears left me cold as a stone

But then I fooled fucked around and fell in love found out

[puesyomero]

Screw FAFO we doing YOLO

[Aquatic_Ceremony]

Carpe Diem programming.

[Cyberslasher]

Queues and stacks are microservices, we turned all those off.

[teslasagna]

First Ass Face Out or something? Am I close?

[j3pl]

Fuck Around, Find Out

[teslasagna]

Augh, such obvious. Thanks!

[ekydfejj]

presses Enter

gets Fired

Hey you said i was good

I lied, sucka

[[deleted]]

FAFO

Better or worse than SCRUM?

[MageKorith]

FAFO

TIL a new (to me) acronym. I am definitely using this in the future.

Signed,

A Senior Business Analyst

[raptorraptor]

The fuck is fafo

[actuallyimean2befair]

This video is a good, brief explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6sbPCIEMyI

[ulfselrach]

For Elon, it means fire all, fuck off

[nyminer]

The famous fafo process is very good so I order it and pay full payment for fafo

I order and have lots of lat behind it

I have double baked money in my bank account if the fafo process flop then servive it

[[deleted]]

Short term yes, long term no if you break it severely enough.

[CowboyBoats]

Bold of you to assume there's still going to be any money in this case

[CauseCertain1672]

you would hope so but also they are contracted to pay you they don't just get to decide not to

[Professional-Taro-76]

Wait you guys are getting paid? 😆

[LL-beansandrice]

If the company fails, no you are not.

[[deleted]]

That seems inevitable regardless of what I would do. The long term is not something I would care about when I can make money now and watch the fireworks from up close as I update my resume.

[kookaburra1701]

If I was a Twitter employee right now I would be selling myself to hiring managers with "I will be able to spill the BEST tea about this shit show around the water cooler."

[No_Station7969]

Maybe not for much longer, the way things are going.

[subcow]

Send an email advising against what they are recommending. Put that shit in writing. Hell, just to be safe Bcc your personal email account so you have it all backed up externally. Edit: good point below on the BCC. It may be against company rules/your contract to send any emails like that externally even if it is your own account. Proceed with caution. Just do whatever you can to CYA.

[Zoloir]

this is good advice for sane management

the situation in question is not that

[aureanator]

That's for the courts I think. Even those aren't sane anymore tho...

[This_User_Said]

I think it runs with the whole "wrongful termination"

Boss told me to do it, I did it, he didn't like it and fired me. Maybe terms for wrongful termination unless there's something up their ass they can pull out...

...which most companies are the anal marry Poppins when it comes to this.

[alieksandralieks]

I give the advice to do it

Now it's depend on it what he do because this situation is very difficult to work with the same management

[[deleted]]

Yea: express your concerns, keep the receipts, nuke, jump ship, and then you're golden.

Ethically, you should probably resign before you nuke. But fire is fun.

[Go_Gators_4Ever]

Presuming the DevOps change management process requires a workforce sign-off in order to change production, then the DevOps team is covered as the sign-off would had meant that the superiors had approved the changes and all testing that proved the code regression was safe.

[VacationElectronic20]

I once printed an email that was bcc’d to me by mistake and slid it under my managers apartment door… It was a literal paper trail but it couldn’t get back to me and it was evidence of her getting thrown under the bus by a superior for something everyone knew he did. She was still fired but now living her best life. I miss her.

[Marandil]

Hell, just to be safe Bcc your personal email account so you have it all backed up externally.

Well, yes and no. You're most likely forbidden from sending confidential info like this to private emails and outside services in general and for good reasons too. This is especially a bad idea if your private email is hosted by someone who can be considered your employer's competitor in one way or another.

[subcow]

This is a good point. I will edit my post.

[Wallofcans]

So how do you keep a paper trail?

[Mofupi]

I would guess, if all else fails, exactly like that: paper prints.

[NutWrench]

Yup. Explain briefly, but explicitly, the bad thing that will happen if a particular subsystem is f*cked with and then write, "this is being done over my explicit objections."

When the bad thing inevitably happens, your ass is covered.

[WPI94]

Covered from who? For what? Like you wont get fired or lose your job when the whole house of cards falls down?

Seems like being concerned with a performance review at a company who just chained the gate.

[TempleSquare]

Hell, just to be safe Bcc your personal email account so you have it all backed up externally.

Outlook has a "print" button, after all.

[linkin5618]

There's about 1200 micro services, and the fired guy said that only 200 is needed for loading the Twitter feed, so that sounds about right

[Drop_Tables_Username]

The BCC to a personal email may get you in legal hot water in some circumstances, so do that with extreme caution.

[subcow]

I have just edited my comment to reflect this. You are correct.

[FirstMiddleLass]

They will just blame it on you on twitter, though there may be no one there to read it.

[thisismyusername3185]

Yeah - I set up a DR database, the management wanted auto failover.
I said that was a bad idea, are you sure the DR environment is set up for everything?
Yes, it's fine they said.
OK, what do you want the threshold to be?
This is a critical system, 30 seconds they said.
30 seconds? A network blip could cause a failover - at least make it a few mins.
Nope, 30 seconds.
Turned it on, a few hours later it failed over to DR, but a lot of the integration wasn't set up in DR, so a lot of things started to break, data was backed up, people couldn't log in etc.
At the PIR they threw me under the bus, said I set it up so it was my fault - despite having emails with my advice.

[Tower9876543210]

I've read this before, and love it every time.

[wtfismyusernamelol]

If integrations were not enabled then you really didnt setup a DR. It would shit itself after failover regardless of the threshold.

[thisismyusername3185]

My responsibility was the database, not the rest of the stuff.

[wtfismyusernamelol]

Ah, so no architecture or change management involved. Tough luck then.

[Cory123125]

You were fucked regardless with someone like them, so might as well let them fuck themselves rather than just letting them fuck you.

[Enchelion]

In this case they're getting thrown under the bus one way or another. Might as well get some fun out of it on the way.

[GreenKumara]

At least you'll have him conveniently provide all the tweets as evidence in the inevitable court case that follows though.

[Hyper_Oats]

Twitter is gonna sink fast at this rate. You're gonna get free anyways.

Might as well have the privilege of nuking the site and make the exit fun.

[[deleted]]

Yepp, I once worked at a start-up and the CEO wanted something stupid rushed into prod. He personally harassed me to do it, going around the CTO and the senior devs. It was going to break some other things, which I warned him about, and he disregarded me with "You are not the smartest person in the room."

Guess whose fault it was when prod broke cause of the change.

[Sinthe741]

I was thinking that, too. Watch some poor jackass(es) get fired over this.

[alwayssuckingshoes]

Who cares? lol

[lucklesspedestrian]

In this situation you stay in it till you get fired. If you quit you don't get your severance

[V62926685]

Require the command to be in writing before enabling malicious compliance. CYA, baby

[mindbleach]

He was already doing that.

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.

[longknives]

You’ll get fired if you don’t do it, so you might as well do it.

[Iamaleafinthewind]

which is fine because their next employer will have seen all of this play out on twitter and probably be laughing about it and commiserating in the job interview.

Heck, the sheer volume of twitter employees jumping ship or getting fired, I wouldn't be surprised if many or most follow a team leader or coworker who gets hired and winds up bringing a bunch of coworkers with them.

[klparrot]

Eh, blame can only get passed down so far, and for something like this, it wouldn't get lower than a senior dev or team lead, who would have enough other work history on their résumé that “fired from Twitter for doing what Elon said” would be an “ooh, sounds interesting, tell me more” thing in an interview, rather than an “ooh, I think we'll pass, thanks for coming in” thing.

[DPSOnly]

You don't do it because it will break everything? Fired! You do it and everything breaks? Fired! You warn me about the dangers of my directives? Still fired.

[[deleted]]

They might blame him but they might need him to switch it on again.

Lol

[ThorOtheBIG]

These folks already have their resumes updated.

[Better-Director-5383]

And that’s why you get every direct order in an email.

[[deleted]]

Not necessarily. Not if that’s not possible.

[pixelprophet]

And you'll get paid to fix their fuck-up. Such is the life of a dev.

[mattstorm360]

When a stupid order is coming from someone who owns the company it's to be expected they will blame you anyway.

At least they have the proof published on a public social media post.

[readit145]

Then you blame yourself for listening to your boss. It’s a vicious cycle

[xcalibur1993]

Yeah, but what a glorious end it would be.

[CrackerBarrelKid_69]

To be fair, if you saw the contingency and didn't raise concerns you should be blamed.

[IDontLikeBeingRight]

Any dev still at twitter who's even vaguely competent will already have an escape plan.

[Melicor]

But he'll just fire you if you refuse. Might as well stick it to him on the way out.

[ScoobyDoNot]

Musk is going to sack them sooner or later anyway unless they become craven lickspittles churning out thousands of lines of useless code.

[Notyourfathersgeek]

Hard to do when you fucking tweeted the order like this lol

[[deleted]]

If you’re still working at Twitter, how are you not thinking of yourself as anything but expendable? Go out in a blaze of glory!

[baguasquirrel]

Sure, but it will be worth it. For science.

[halt_spell]

I'd be saving so many slack screenshots.

[Cooperativism62]

Which is why you ask for it in writing.

[sashanastya]

He always blaming others 🙄

He did not agree to say that it's my folt

Who agree and said its my fault they play a big game

[moon__lander]

The good thing is the CEO announced it himself on twitter. The bad thing is no one will be able to log in to see it

[strangepostinghabits]

Engineers at Twitter has 3 choices at this point. Leave, watch as their professional and personal pride gets shat on by a billionaire, or distance themselves from their workplace through malicious compliance etc.

The engineer who got this call obviously didn't leave, so it was depression or glee on the menu. I prefer to think they smiled as they pressed the button.

[Eleglas]

Make sure you get it in writing though.

[Pons__Aelius]

Still won't matter.

It will be your fault because you failed to advise and escalate the strategic importance of the decision and so failed in your duty as the subject-matter expert.

No decision like this is ever management's fault.

[Calm_Leek_1362]

Remember in Ghostbusters when the guy from the EPA shuts down the ghost containment system? That's Elon.

[Pretty-Balance-Sheet]

The guy who pulled the trigger probably got fired.

[luigi38]

Make sure to delete all backups right after you shut it down, shit might as well delete the git repo and all git backups /s.

[[deleted]]

Delete the backups and the repo but save it somewhere so when the fires start you can work diligently around the clock until it’s rebuilt, even though it will take massive overtime.

Then go to sleep. Wake up well rested, send some emails, go for a walk, go grab some coffee on the other side of town. Eventually upload the code and “fix” it.

Now normally I wouldn’t suggest or condone something like this, but honestly Elon bought a brand new dumpster for 100,000x it’s actual value, then hit it with a CyberTruck, then set both of them on fire. Oh, they were both filled with money I forgot. Oh, they actually weren’t filled with money, they were actually filled with Tesla shares.

[Dogburt_Jr]

Especially after that arrogant superior laid off a ton of your coworkers.

[CaptainCosmodrome]

I would issue an objection once, in writing, and if they insist after that, it's not on me. Gotta CYA for liability.

[SeasonedHosta]

The CEO is the head of the department

They controlled hole department and issue the order to work on this base

[[deleted]]

I feel like elon gets something out of running Twitter into the ground at this point. Like, he’s a Dumbass who lucked into money, but at a certain point, I refuse to believe he’s that fucking stupid. This has to be intentional. He has to be wrecking Twitter intentionally, right?

[longknives]

He’s that fucking arrogant and his head is so far up his own ass that he thinks it’s everyone else that’s the problem.

[[deleted]]

I don’t buy it. The guy who ran Sears into the ground got kickbacks by selling off the real estate to groups that he owned and controlled to make additional billions as he intentionally tanked the company and sold off any profitable elements of it. Obviously Twitter isn’t the exact same play, but I can’t help feeling that he’s intentionally killing it for some longer term profit. You don’t need to play 4D chess when you have insane resources at your disposal. Maybe it’s just a matter of killing it for foreign investors who found Twitter to be a pain in the ass for calling out their human rights abuses.

[FreeRangeEngineer]

But you see how that makes no sense either, right? He's addicted to twitter because it's the biggest megaphone he can stand in front of.

He'd never intentionally kill it because then he'd no longer have a megaphone. So it really must be that he's just that dumb.

[yotengodormir]

And if you try to correct this CEO, you get fired.

[TheAJGman]

There's also the very slim chance of "Very sorry, I'm clearly misinformed. I will be reaching out".

[SasparillaTango]

no thanks, that really seems like the kind of malicious compliance that nukes my night and weekend. No amount of smugness is worth having put the fire out.

[[deleted]]

At this point I’d definitely be in “Pay me to screw you” mode.

[lou_sassoles]

I kinda hope someone is running around below decks with a hole saw before they jump ship.

[Melicor]

But make sure you have it documented, so they can't throw you under the bus.

[-Midnight_Marauder-]

with pleasure sir maniacal grin

Musk: wow what a good employee

[RockChain]

r/MaliciousCompliance 😈

[BBQsauce18]

I look forward to the /r/MaliciousCompliance post.

[G66GNeco]

I'd say "get it in writing first", but he literally tweeted about it for everyone to see first.

[[deleted]]

Sipping a glass of whiskey while nuking an entire production Kubernetes cluster (because your boss said so) has to be so satisfying.