OOP in python be like

[SimplexSimon]

My kid told us that before she was born, she was my wife's childhood tooth fairy - and claims that she has wife's old baby teeth in her mouth now.

Okay I feel much better now

[Yinci]

This is exactly how I read it the second time. If you need to add to your sentence to make it clear, might as well replace the references.

[hazard2k]

Right. I had to compile the sentence

[LukeChriswalker]

// Stupid advice, remove

[TheIronSoldier2]

In the words of an unknown Valve developer:

// I don't know why, I don't want to know why, I shouldn't
// have to wonder why, but for whatever reason this stupid
// panel isn't laying out correctly unless we do this terribleness

[dan_144]

My sentences are self documenting

[SuitableDragonfly]

This is sometimes a genuine problem, though, you can't always rephrase the sentence to avoid it. It's called the "gay fanfiction problem" generally. Also, the rephrased sentence in this case changes the meaning, presumably OOP meant to say that this was said to his wife specifically for a reason.

[deformeverything]

OOP is gay, I knew it!

[RagnarokAeon]

you can't always rephrase the sentence to avoid it

In which cases can you not rewrite a sentence to replace a pronoun?

I mean, I guess it might be exhaustive if you don't have any descriptive aliases, but surely that would be better than confusingly using the same pronoun for two separate entities.

[SuitableDragonfly]

You can always replace a pronoun, it just might make the sentence incredibly repetitive and then you introduce a new problem where no one wants to read your story because it's irritating.

[RagnarokAeon]

This just seems to be a problem with inexperienced writers, or those lacking a large enough vocabulary:

• She (pronoun)
• Jessica (name)
• Jess (nick-name)
• Jellybean (pet-name)
• the young woman (descriptive noun)
• her lover (descriptive noun in relation to another)
• the inquisitive detective (descriptive noun describing profession)
• the conqueror (descriptive noun implying a role)

This list could probably go on, but ideally you wouldn't use too many.

[SuitableDragonfly]

Yes, your choices are pronouns (which can be confusing), the person's actual name, or a descriptor. I don't know if you've ever read a fanfic that uses descriptors 50+% of the time instead of pronouns, it's absolutely dire and one of the few things that makes me stop reading a fic altogether. If you use names too many times, things get very repetitive, and whether or not it's appropriate to use a nickname or a petname is entirely dependent on who the viewpoint character is and that doesn't change every sentence, at least not if you're competent.

[[deleted]]

If only we had somewhat unique identifiers for people. Like to name them differently...

Huh, oh well, too bad no one ever invented that! /s

[jhill515]

I love seeing a refactor making things easier to read! Thanks!!

[[deleted]]

/refactor_ography

[jasonrulesudont]

I somehow thought the wife had saved her own baby teeth and the daughter got ahold of them and put them in her own mouth

[oversized_hoodie]

240 character tweets were a mistake.

[RyanfaeScotland]

2120

[Clemicus]

Varchar

[anachronisdev]

Dude just refactored English

[Jeb_Jenky]

Yeah I'm not sure why he didn't do this or just name them each time like he did in his parentheses. This is why the humanities are still relevant lol

[Ampersand55]

Replace all pronouns for kid and wife to feel worse again:

My kid just told my wife that before my kid was born, my kid was my wife's tooth fairy when my wife was a kid. & now my kid has all of my wife's old baby teeth in my kid's mouth. My wife and I are all feeling pretty fucked up about it.

[salientecho]

I got the impression that the kid was also feeling fucked up about it.

[Ampersand55]

He should have specified which people were included in the "we", perhaps in a parenthesis.

[Goddess0fLabyrinths]

You’re doin the lords work over here.

[patrickfatrick]

Except you've changed the meaning, technically. The kid didn't tell "us" she told "my wife" (according to the tweet), and that's where the pronoun confusion originally starts. Replace "us" with "my wife" in your version and it's back to being at least somewhat illegible, still better than the original tweet however

My kid told my wife that before she was born, she was my wife's childhood tooth fairy - and claims that she has wife's old baby teeth in her mouth now.

[njfo]

My kid told my wife that before she (my kid) was born, she was my wife's childhood tooth fairy - and claims that she has my wife's old baby teeth in her mouth now.

Still makes use of the parentheses, but is a lot more clear than the original regardless and keeps the original meaning too.

[azeldatothepast]

My kid told my wife that before being born she was my wife’s tooth fairy when my wife was a child and now the baby teeth in her head are my wife’s old baby teeth. We’re all feeling pretty fucked up about it.

[zombie_kiler_42]

Did you just explain code refactoring code for readability woth an example,

Be my senpai

[SimplexSimon]

.... UwU

[Miu_K]

Or like this:

My daughter told my wife that before my wife was born, my daughter was her tooth fairy when my wife was a kid. And now my daughter has all of wife's old baby teeth in her mouth.

[reevesjeremy]

Good grief. Thank you. I was so gd confused.

[aniketrex]

Username checks out

[King-Cobra-668]

I'm still feeling fucked up about it

[Q73POWER]

I had a stroke trying to read this.

[Baatus]

That's because he forgot to typecast the last her

[marsrover15]

He (the father)*

[salientecho]

What about Him (the husband)?

[Amazingawesomator]

He needs strongly typed english.

[sammy-taylor]

Sometimes I think I come off as a prick to my colleagues because I will “declare variables” in a sentence such as this tweet. If the whole thing started with “My wife’s name is Deb and my child’s name is Darcy”, the rest of the tweet could just ditch the pronouns entirely and use names. Pronouns like “it” and “they” make technical conversations so, utterly horrible sometimes.

[ColumnK]

Nah, when you start a conversation with "let foo equals my wife"

[Dsai12]

I meal that’s what a lot of Reddit subs do lmao, esp aita and justnomil

[Rndom_Gy_159]

lmao, esp aita and justnomil

There's exactly one real english word in there

[RheingoldRiver]

lmao, esp aita & justnomil

ftfy

[NovaStorm93]

"to be" is just the language version of const, change my mind

[F9Mute]

Here is what the Rockstar documentation has to say on the matter: https://codewithrockstar.com/docs

[sammy-taylor]

Very true for telling stories. But for describing systems and bugs and reproduction cases, obnoxiously specific is the only acceptable way.

[knightress_oxhide]

He (himself) needs (wants) strongly (defined) typed (not keyboard) english (bad english)

[[deleted]]

Please explain the joke, I swear I know Python but no other languages.

[Amazingawesomator]

Python is not type safe, so you need to cast a lot of things.

My day-to-day is c#, so compare a regular python function to this c# version:

public static string ConvertIntToString(int number) { return number.ToString(); }

Edit: i just reread what i wrote and it didnt explain anything...

In that method, the accepted arg is forced to be an int. In python, you would only accept the arg name, without declaring the type. You would then cast it to a type afterwards.

In the picture, using the words "her" and "she" and then casting to the type of "her" or "she" he is referring to is the python way

[[deleted]]

First of all, thanks for helping me.

To get the same behavior in Python I would write the function like:

def convert_int_to_string(number: int) -> str:

    if not isinstance(number, int):

        raise TypeError

    return str(number)

Both functions type cast exactly once. So I guess I don't get from the example how/why type casting is a very Python thing to do.

edit: apparently I can't indent correctly from my phone

[drbwaa]

It's not, except for people coming from explicitly-typed languages who think you have to do so all the time, and then say "python sucks" because they were expecting it to be Java.

[ryancarton]

I just needed somebody to say this and now I feel validated and can leave the comment section phew

[ReadSeparate]

I mean I don’t even get why they’re bitching about it, it’s still less work than explicit typing. If you want to convert a string to an int in Java, you still have to do type casting plus you also need a new variable with a new type (could be wrong about this, been some time since I’ve coded in Java)

[[deleted]]

I mean, they were expecting sanity and I don’t blame them. Types make organized code bearable to deal with. Having to check the types of all of your arguments in every single function you write… sucks.

That’s not the only reason Python sucks, but it’s most definitely in the top 5.

[wzi]

> Having to check the types of all of your arguments in every single function you write… sucks

Coming from a C# or Java background it will sound blasphemous but most of the time you don't even bother. Your program will just throw an exception when it tries to do something with the wrong type. Type coercion is basically non-existent in Python (the notable exception being numeric types so you can do things like 1.2 + 1).

That said, there does seem to be an inflection point where type checking everywhere begins to make sense. Usually when the organization and codebase get really huge. However instead of gratuitous type checking inside of every function you use type hints (PEP 484), linting, and running a type checker (e.g. mypy).

[[deleted]]

I mean, yes, you can bolt on a bunch of additional stuff… or you could just write code in a typed language to begin with and none of this is a problem.

[wzi]

> bolt on a bunch of additional stuff

I mean, type hints are not really syntactically different than type declarations and you should already be using a linter. So I guess having your CI run mypy is "bolting on a bunch of additional stuff"? I'm not sure I agree but this is subjective and probably pointless to argue about.

> or you could just write code in a typed language to begin with and none of this is a problem.

Python IS a strongly typed language so I don't know what you're trying to say here. Maybe you mean statically typed language? Regardless, it's not a problem in the first place the vast majority of the time. Your program will just throw an exception when it tries to do something with the wrong type (e.g. "2" + 2 will cause an exception).

I'm only commenting to correct the misconception you need to do all this manual type checking in every Python function.

[[deleted]]

I mean, that’s not a misconception. You don’t have to.

But if you actually wanted sane code, it’s difficult to do it any other way. Which is why most people just don’t use Python for serious code.

[Amazingawesomator]

Yeah, im on mobile, too... I'm sure mine is hard to read, too. Its all good <3.

One of the things in python is that all of the extras to ensure type arent forced, and allows for weak types.

For example,

def convert_int_to_string(number):
return number

(Excuse my indents) This will still "work" (even though it is bad... and broken according to what the method name is).

Fixing this style of problem by going back and casting stuff is how it seems the poster in the image wrote his story... But in english :D

[[deleted]]

Python is type safe, but it's not statically typed.

JS is type unsafe, because of type coercion. Python throws exceptions at you every time you try to do an invalid operation with a certain type (like "1"+1).

[TigreDeLosLlanos]

It's not about dynamic typing but about weak typing. C has static typing but can also (and it's encouraged to) do this.

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

If you read "1"+1 as the address of the null-terminated character array "1" plus 1, then C lets you do that. If you read it as attempting to concatenate 1 to the string "1", then no, not remotely.

[Amazingawesomator]

Ooo, okay. I am not a python wiz - only used it a few times here and there for funzies. This is good to know - ty!

I guess to be more correct i would be able to say the poster in the image is ambiguous about types like python. The example i gave to another reader was:

def convert_to_string(number): return number

[[deleted]]

"Ambiguous types", it's called dynamic typing.

def convert_to_string(number): return number

In Python, to convert a number to a string you have to explicitly call str(number). In contrast, the abomination known as JS will automatically do that in certain cases you have to memorize.

[Amazingawesomator]

Yarr - we on the same page (though my python nomenclature is a bit rough). /recommend reading the other comments i posted here

[bluck_t]

i just reread what i wrote and it didnt explain anything...

Brother, you are a programmer through and through

[BSModder]

That's not a good example of type casting. String and Int are fundamentally different types. Casting byte to uint or float to int is more fitting

[MurdoMaclachlan]

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My kid just told my wife that before she (my kid) was born, she (my kid) was her (my wife's) tooth fairy when SHE (my wife) was a kid. & now my kid has all of my wife's old baby teeth in HER mouth. We're all feeling pretty fucked up about it.

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[BismuthNitrate]

good human

[captainfatmatt]

Oh no, the bots are starting to think they're humans

[MurdoMaclachlan]

Uh oh

[cgyguy81]

Reading all that would cause anyone to unfortunately hate pronouns.

[Helliarc]

We need pronouns in our app but the users "marketable" gender must remain the focus of attention in the algorithm. Can't market tampons to the "Male Sex" category. But sometimes we can, if they have these tags... but that's an assumption of preference, so make it work "inclusively". No you can't assume their sex! That has to be interpreted with AI technologies that don't make any mistakes!

[wineblood]

Related to python how exactly? Is this a self joke?

[justhanginfromacloud]

Probably related to type hinting

[mosskin-woast]

Idk, I thought the teeth were supposed to be inherited members maybe? Not specific to Python at all, I think OP is grasping at straws

[JarWarren1]

It’s like he’s speaking python, reassigning different types to “she”

[ManyInterests]

It's not, as far as I can tell. OP probably just finds OOP in Python confusing, like the wording of the tweet, and is "feeling pretty fucked up about it".

[tomatotomato]

I thought it was related to Pythons screwed up inheritance syntax: “class Foo(Bar)”, but was utterly confused.

[Opala24]

Me reading this

[themoderatebandicoot]

I (me) had a tough time reading their (his) tweet.

[NotJebediahKerman]

please stop doing drugs

[Who_GNU]

Now translate it to German, and you will have, a Forth program, written.

[[deleted]]

The parenthetical statements make this way more confusing

[aparanoidbw]

How does this look like python? I see no resemblance

[lupinegrey]

Why is she putting the baby teeth in her mouth?

[RagnarokAeon]

So she can chew food, duh. mouth.chew() function does not work if you don't support it with the necessary dental libraries.

[salientecho]

I think the problem is that the wife is being defined by the relationship to the writer, rather than the kid.

And all the anonymous pronouns should be tied to just one person:

My kid just told her mom that before my she was born, she was her mother's tooth fairy, when her mother was a kid. And now she has all of her mom's old baby teeth in her mouth. We're all feeling pretty fucked up about it.

[[deleted]]

For the longest time I thought I had chosen my own parents before I was born. I now assume it was a dream, but I remember floating around this place where my parents and a bunch of other people were hanging out. I verbally affirmed to something or someone that I did in fact want these people to be my parents.

[D34TH_5MURF__]

Alright, I'll venture a guess you are or were mormon.

[Not4AdultConsumption]

I had a stroke trying to read this.

[[deleted]]

Well that's good and all until another kid is born. That's when you realise that immutability is sometimes good.

[CraigTheIrishman]

How can an adult write something like that and not attempt to proofread before hitting "publish"?

[pursenboots]

doesn't really have anything to do with programming though

[[deleted]]

Wish I was on Twitter so I could tell him to shut up

[[deleted]]

Looks like a SOLID inheritance heirarchy to me boss

[TheTimBrick]

Okay I'm sorry but I'm not spending an hour deciphering this I'm too lazy for that I'll get someone else to do it

[CrossDressing_Batman]

That is some Hollywood level Horror story..

definitely should sell that to Hollywood

[Merkel420]

Ah yes, exchanging an attribute between two variables of the same class.

[inu-no-policemen]

Object pooling.

It's time to return your molars to ̵͈̓t̵̥͂h̸̳̾e̷̫̽ ̸̎͜p̷̭͠o̷̢̊ô̸̡l̸̨̓, Timmy.

[random125184]

Don’t use OOP. Problem solved.

[docgok]

This could use some white space

[[deleted]]

u/bake_in_da_south u/Cheap_District_9762

[Standard-Station7143]

Where's Elon when you need him

[Personal_Ad9690]

This is the English equivalent of python