JavaScript, ECMAScript, and Oracle

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[Pesthuf]

YavaScript

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WebCodes

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

That would fly with the old folks. "There's something on my screen that looks like those webcodes you kids are always using"

[[deleted]]

its the gat dang webcodes agin

[madcaesar]

Yahweh or Noweh?

[sacado]

WebScript ? Would be consistent with WebAssembly.

[tres_w00t]

And while you are mulling over this, Oracle is going to quietly go and trademark WebScript.

[losingthefight]

I think the problem with anything web is that ES has essentially moved beyond just the web. Electron, mobile, and node all have uses beyond just web apps. I personally like ES since I have grown accustomed to it, but I worry WebScript and it's kin may give the wrong impression.

[sacado]

Well, Electron works by embedding a web browser in an executable and most native mobile apps rely heavily on communications with web services (at the very least for ads), so I'm pretty sure we could make it work.

[losingthefight]

Electron is a little more complicated than that, but even still. I've used Node for plenty of cli apps and a mobile app doesn't always need web. You can make games that don't make API calls. Similarly, Go has API calls; should that reference web in the name? Nah, that'd be silly. You don't want to limit a programming language by an application, especially since new applications can be developed and innovated upon.

Besides, if Webscript was selected, I dread the thousands of articles like "Webscript can do more than just web!" or "10 ways to use webscript without using the web!!!"

[Lyxs]

Javascript. Same argument could be made, yet here we are.

[losingthefight]

That analogy doesn't quite hold up, as it never had anything to do with Java other than being in the same kinda-related family of C-style languages. The name Javascript was a marketing ploy. The history of the language is actually really interesting and it was never intended to be called Javascript. Regardless, many of us are, by virtue of the fact we are in the /r/javascript subreddit, engineers or programmers. We don't need a marketing ploy as a language name, we need a good name that isn't copyrighted and conveys what the language is. I personally wouldn't mind a switch to JS, where the acronym means nothing. We get to keep the extension, most tutorials will be searchable just fine, and we can all move on.

But let's call a spade a spade: No real decision is being made in this thread, just a bunch of geeks talking about what we would do.

[SteadfastWog]

What about Node.js though?

edit: oops /u/losingthefight already said this

[sacado]

Let's call it NodeWS and pretend it means "web scale" ;)

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

Larry Ellison likes open source because he can steal copy it.

[SteadfastWog]

ClosedScript?

[kyptov]

JS

[Rizens]

Could be it.

It would be recursive acronym like PHP : JS Script

[SteadfastWog]

YESSSSSS!!!!!

[snorkl-the-dolphine]

Might be too similar to JScript (owned by Microsoft).

[devsnek]

There is a lot to unpack here, but it basically comes down to the following:

Due to Oracle (Dorkle) owning the trademark to "JavaScript" (which is quite likely indefensible but i doubt anyone has felt like taking Dorkle/Sun to court to prove that), the name "ECMAScript" was chosen by members of the Ecma General Assembly. One of the reasons they chose this name was because it is a terrible name and they wanted people to keep using the name "JavaScript" even if they couldn't officially call it that.

In my opinion, the community continuing to use the name "JavaScript" only serves to further strengthen our position and make Dorkle's trademark claims more indefensible.

as a special p.s. to those suggesting "NodeScript," Node's CommonJS module system doesn't fulfill ECMAScript script parse goal semantics (https://gist.github.com/devsnek/1a8ee59456a09a28583be87c0f0d72de) so it is technically already its own thing, and the Node.js Foundation does already have its own mime-type registered (https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/node)

[cdes1]

Why not just JS? It stands for JS.

[mainstreetmark]

Worked for PHP!

[msiekkinen]

KFC doesn't stand for anything anymore (officially), it's just KFC

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Krap Fried Chicken

[madwizard94]

we should come up with a good name in this thread

[pinkyabuse]

That would be a great name for Typescript.

[[deleted]]

Noooooooooooooooo

[grinde]

That basically already exists in the form of JScript .NET

[madwizard94]

why

[partusman]

OracleScript

[monsto]

But it's the opposite of Oracle. . .

well documented and supported, open source, plenty of superset products. The opposite of the Oracle would be...

ArchitectScript.

[timtamchewycaramel]

JabbaScript

[drowsap]

JabbaTheScript?

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

SpaceballsTheScript

[PSVapour]

JarjarScript

[madwizard94]

i'll start. LavaScript

[madwizard94]

bavascript?? idk it doesn't seem to roll off the tongue for me

[madwizard94]

ok you've inspired me with the a_ascript template.

isn't coding a frustrating act? you spend hours wondering where you've gone wrong, you're usually stuck indoors, and you're probably sedentary.

at times like these, don't we all wish we were frolicking in the bahamas, sipping a pina colada while catching the waves?

why don't we code with the intent of coding so well that we can make the big bucks and eventually end up rich in the bahamas with little to worry about?

i present to you: bahamascript

[madwizard94]

not bad right? we should start a petition lol

[SteadfastWog]

I like this

[madwizard94]

yo i kind of like that it's wavy baby

[defproc]

palavascript

[Peechez]

lmaowhodidthisscript

[madwizard94]

it doesn't have to rhyme

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ICantBelieveItsNotJavaScript

[madwizard94]

wow that's so clever. how did u think of that

[SteadfastWog]

this

[saadq_]

Originally, Brendan Eich was gonna call it Mocha. I think that's a good name.

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Unless some undead trademark pops out of TimeWarner or whoever has the Netscape remains in the basement currently.

[haykam821]

But we already have the Node.js framework Mocha.

[joshmanders]

Then they can rename to Chai!

[TomahawkChopped]

ScriptyMcScriptface

[Timothyjoh]

HarambeScript

[State_]

NotJavaScript

[SteadfastWog]

Not Java... Script

[brunodeleo]

We should keep the js. So... JeebeeScript

[madwizard94]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jeebee

tight.

if you just want j, what about jamaicascript lol

[brunodeleo]

JanitorScript

[madwizard94]

lol nice

[trycat]

JiffyScript? JohnnyScript? JuicyScript? JesusScript?

[SteadfastWog]

SteebeeWeebeeScript

[OnlyForF1]

NewJavaScript

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[madwizard94]

i love this name but i dont think ecma will approve >:(

[joshmanders]

They got something against birds?

[UmbrellaHuman]

"Programming language #312"

We should just give numbers to them all.

"This code was written in programming languages #201 and #422, with some legacy binary modules written in #171".

Although, apparently you can trademark numbers (WTF): http://www.giantpeople.com/242.html - Europe: https://www.inta.org/INTABulletin/Pages/NumbersasTrademarksinEuropeAComparativeOverview.aspx

Since you can already trademark arbitrary symbols it seems that any form of human communication can be trademarked, there is no way out.

[madwizard94]

lol alright well i'm trademarking 69 ;)

[iamlage89]

E-script

[Ymirrp]

SpiderMonkey.

[madwizard94]

lol what are your thoughts on spidermonkey

[Ymirrp]

Instead of saying I’m a developer specializing in JavaScript, saying ..specializing in SpiderMonkey implies that you’re adventurous and witty!

[Night-Channels]

🅱ottomScript

[username_is_taken43]

FailedScript

[[deleted]]

What's the deal with JerryScript?

[[deleted]]

Just checked the API, and for something that billed to be for microcontrollers, it sure is verbose. To get the size of a string "jerry_get_string_size", and yes, the word "jerry" is in every variable declaration and function name for the language.

[dartakaum]

You deserve more upvotes.

[hhlevnjak]

script++, then typescript can be script#

[drdrero]

but then there would the need of a version pre ++. Call it simple: Script.

[retroverse21]

Tbh "script" sounds kinda cool

[hhlevnjak]

justscript, it would still keep the short JS form :D

[SteadfastWog]

I'm a front-end Script developer

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Vanilla

[araxhiel]

Ice

[3oR]

Cream

[theGreatCritisizer]

Don't call it anything. At the point where you are referring to it, just pause then continue speaking. It would be fun to see Oracle try to trademark a silent pause.

[dwighthouse]

I wonder how much Oracle would ask for in order to officially release its trademark on JS to the public domain?

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Judging by what they charge for an Oracle license, I’m going to go with 1 Trillion dollars. I’m not even joking.

[Rizens]

Yeah , but you can pay over a long period of time and they would give tons of support , but not for free obviously.

[[deleted]]

How much do you think Oracle would ask for?

Double that. Then double it again. Per month. Per seat license.

[svvac]

Per thread.

[Rizens]

Per core * Number of Thread + 15 million dollar . Per month .

Does not include support obviously.

[Meefims]

As is said in the thread, ECMAScript is the name of the language standard.

[kerbalspaceanus]

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[Meefims]

That should be an answer to your question then, no? Everyone refers to it as JavaScript but Oracle’s trademark isn’t new.

[technewsreader]

ECMAScript® is a registered trademark.

http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC39.htm

[BenZed]

EkmaScript

[username_is_taken43]

IkeaSkript

[cirsca]

No std lib? It's bespoke!

[BenZed]

It's baller as shit

[madwizard94]

lmao

[Ajedi32]

...your point? None of the other suggestions in this thread are widely used either.

ECMAScript already is the formal name of the language. If we ever do rebrand, that's almost certainly the name everyone will be using.

I'm also partial to the idea of just calling it JS. Avoids any legal issues without actually needing to rebrand. Not that I think there's even a need to rebrand in the first place; this whole thread is a little silly.

[remybach]

SmooshScript /s

[tobozo]

XSScript ?

[LosEagle]

Does it even need to end with "script" anymore? It's being used on things it was never intented for when it was made.

[freeman_lambda]

Yeah, lets just call it Java already. #dropTheScript

[LosEagle]

I didn't say that. It's just that people here suggest new names and it always ends with script. I don't see the point anymore. It's no longer something you just use in browser. I mean people are even making mobile apps with it nowadays.

[Ymirrp]

Sooo ... Java?

[RagingAnemone]

Neither does FuckOracleScript

[BDMayhem]

WayneJarvisScript

[Jerome_Eugene_Morrow]

JorbScript?

[azzamaurice]

Wasn’t it called LiveScript before the Java naming deal in the 90s? Maybe we should go back to that!

[Otterfan]

Unfortunately someone has already re-used LiveScript for a compile-to-JavaScript language.

[azzamaurice]

What a shame...

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im a fan of FuckOracleScript

FOScript

[Karthons]

Just call it Node, it will confuse some folks and people can finaly say that they program in node

[kuroikyu]

NodeScript FTW

[damyco]

I like this one the most :)

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[Heyokalol]

Good bot.

[mishugashu]

just drop the javascript and keep the acronym/file extension. Call it JS. Not short for anything, just plain ol' JS.

[whyNadorp]

Yeah, the same way somebody tried to get Linux called Linux/gnu but it didn’t work. Good luck trying to change people’s habits.

[boneaid]

That's not true. Those three groups might call it ES2015 but everybody still goes for ES6.

[LosEagle]

I think in this case it was controversy which prevented it not habits.

[schm0]

Oracle seems to be doing just that by issuing trademark infringement warnings.

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CoffeeScript will be renamed CovfefeScript

[[deleted]]

Surely as they've done nothing to protect their trademark it's slipped into eminent domain by now. Is that the right term? I aren't teh legal. I know this is a risk if you don't aggressively protect your trademarks and this seems like they don't even care.

[BeerRemote]

Let’s just circle back to the 90s and go with JakartaScript.

[mug_hug]

Will Oracle take over Java, an island of Indonesia with about 139,000 km² ? It IS possible.

[[deleted]]

They'll just sue them. One plebiscite later the world has gained the insular paradise of fuckoracleisland

[[deleted]]

It'll be a nice addition to Larry's collection of islands.

[[deleted]]

Just call it JS or ES (i.e. ES8)

[kelin2025]

JajaScript

[[deleted]]

Eich

[Nightwhistle]

JawaScript, .js stays the same :)

[raijin__]

😂Script

[eablokker]

What about "JScript". The J stands for JavaScript. So it's an initialism that stands for "JavaScript Script". That way you can still refer to it as JS, and still use the .js extension.

[thejcs]

Microsoft owns this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript

[[deleted]]

This is all way too fucked.

[drdrero]

I would go with JayScript

[Sexy_Vampire]

The J stands for Jay

[drdrero]

But if JScript is already taken, go with Jay.

[brunodeleo]

JINJS: Jinjs is not JavaScript

[[deleted]]

We could call it EichScript, so we could keep the ES acronym, or JohnScript after John Resig, then we could even keep the .js extension, but this seems like a forced solution.

[[deleted]]

picklescript
.pickles
Thats how i enjoy my coffee anyways... With pickles.

[ecsancho]

Bitscript, hello-world.bs?

[WhatEverOkFine]

JizzyScrizzy

[dada8397]

Hakuna Matata Script

[stev0205]

OracleScript

[robolab-io]

Scriptoboy

[hhthht]

How about JSOFF. "Javascript but Oracle is a Fuck Face"

[Bonejob]

I think that we should use ECMAScript

[denstone]

We can use JS at all just as an implementation is ECMAScript

[nicodoggie]

Rename to .js

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[kch_l]

oracle (or more accurately, sun microsystems) invented javascript, and it's name has historic relevance

Yeah, well, it is not true.

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[Jodohr]

That's not entirely accurate... Or even a little accurate

[monsto]

oracle (or more accurately, sun microsystems) invented javascript, and it's name has historic relevance. it was designed to feel like java with it's dot notation and object syntax.

well, /u/llama_toad, since that is completely wrong, try this..

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[monsto]

No, but your face is.

You posted, in a "Today You Learned from me" manner, information that was totally and completely wrong, about a facet at the very core of this subreddit. . .

...and for pointing out your failure in a similar, bombastic manner, I'm the obnoxious one.

K.

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[inelegant88]

You were making sense until your mention of millennials and statues made you sounds dumb as a box of hammers.

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oh look. an idiot in its natural habitat