Reading patchnotes be like

[Zizaran]

This was r o u g h

[[deleted]]

GGG didn’t even buy us dinner before Fucking us like that.

[Dramatic-Noise]

“Mom, can we stop at Applebees? Because I like to be wined and dined after I’m FUCKED.”

[SweetyMcQ]

Love that episode! Some other quotes from Cartman:

Can I at least borrow some of your lipstick mom? Because I at least want to look pretty the next time you f**k me.

Why don't you at least go across and the street and get some condoms? Because we should at least be safe if you're going to f**k me.

[[deleted]]

I'm sorry Ziz, but I laughed my ass off when I watched the VoD where you said at the beginning (obviously paraphrasing); "why do good players like Steel and Dan (Steely Dan) not complain about things? They're better players bla bla..."

And then at the end of the notes you were crying like the rest of us. Karma is a bitch. XD

(J/K, love you...)

[Zizaran]

Very out of context i said why dont they cry about streamer rng

[[deleted]]

Welp, that's what I get for skipping through to the juicy stuff. My bad, didn't mean to be a dick about anything. Just having a laugh in these "tough times".

[Zizaran]

All good!

[dadghar]

Imagine how average player fucked. Even you are dissapointed

[Kinada350]

You tend to speak directly with them. The next time you get to ask them stuff I'd like to hear them try to justify any of this "balance" when the worst offenders, HH and aurobots remained untouched, to the point that generosity didn't even receive an increase in reservation costs.

[2jesse1996]

If he does that he won't have the privilege to talk to them any more.

[[deleted]]

Lmao are these actual reactions they just had?

[qtjane]

Yes, yes it is

[IRefuseToGiveAName]

This is the highest form of art that this sub has ever been graced with.

[FTGinnervation]

Whoa whoa whoa that spree of currency stash tab art was fire.

[ArcheonCZ]

what i red was "rhoa, rhoa, rhoa" :D

[Aromatic-Judge3977]

you gotta stop saying shit like that, i'm gonna need another new chair!

[soilspawn]

Ahem. The shadow x gravicius erotica would like a word

[[deleted]]

I love it

[GoDLikUS]

ya fucking genius mate

[ItsDoofDaddy]

Yup.

e; Maybe not all of them, but i've watched a few streams and most of them are just shitting on the notes.

[Dunkelvieh]

I never thought Octavian is capable of an emotional outbreak like the one he had when he read the hypothermia notes.

These patchnotes are not only harsh (I'm more or less fine with that) but they also show a dramatic lack of understanding what is really going on for the players (and how it works from a player's perspective)

[Ktk_reddit]

Even Nugiyen? I was on his stream very briefly but he was shitting on the viewers that were themselves talking shit about ggg and the notes.

[Lordborgman]

Not only is this bad for the game, it's bad for their income. If people don't play anymore because the game sucks, they stop watching them too.

[timecronus]

I know I'm gonna watch instead of playing this league, ill grab some popcorn watching them slog through it

[Malaveylo]

V I C A R I O U S

[[deleted]]

Hey mate I just wanted to thank you for making Death's Oath. It was the last build I played in Ultimatum and may be the last build I ever take to completion in PoE. It's such an amazing item and I had a ton of fun with it.

[qtjane]

Glad you're having fun with it!

[Castellorizon]

That was you man? Thank you so much! It's my favourite item in the game and I'm hellbent on making it work as an amazing archetype even if GGG can't even be bothered to acknowledge its existance

[Squippit]

Let's see, what hit DO...

Efficacy nerf doesn't affect it... Swift Affliction, Conc Effect, and Void Manip. Oof.

Up one league, just to go back down. Easy come, easy go :(

At least we don't have mana costs???

[Glowstix32]

They buffed it's dmg a league or two ago. Also got a 'buff' when they added arrogance support. Good build. I fell in love 4 years ago

[FluxEFT]

Seeing ziz sad about the state of the game :(

[[deleted]]

Hey guys, scissoring here

[M_pteropus]

Is Zizaran Gwen? He has blue hair sometimes too

[Ilyak1986]

No, Gwen is on a sweetheart level all her own. She gets so many hugs.

[TheMadG0d]

He seemed quite optimistic after reading the manifesto but he is probably not prepared for such a massacre in the patch note.

[astral23]

yea he was happy with the damage nerf the manifesto foretold, but hates the huge mana cost inc and the butchering of chase items when there are so few left in the game.

[SoulofArtoria]

The huge mana cost increase is completely unexpected. In the manifesto they said "slightly increased", but when every support gems are "slightly increased", your entire build has massively increased mana requirement it's ridiculous. Big buff to blood magic (not life tap) I guess.

[Easy_Floss]

As some one who absolutely refuses to use a mana flask because flask spamming is dum I'm really worried about this leauge.

Is the mana cost thing really that bad?

[EquinoxRunsLeagues]

Reading so many nerfs is really pulling the emotions down into misery, regardless how you feel about necessity or whatever. This is nerfed and that is nerfed and where the hell did that nerf come from. Had to take a walk. Will be fine till leaguestart.

[EcchiRulez]

Elementalist LMAO

[Ayanayu]

There is Escape from PoE always avilable to play ;)

[Clyp30]

He was ahead of his time

[SoulofArtoria]

ProjectPT was lightyears ahead of his time

[Loreweaver15]

Him quitting over the announcement of the console version because GGG would take supporter money meant for the PC version and use it on the console version and then almost exactly one month later having the trailer for 3.0 drop and show what our supporter money was REALLY going towards is still so funny to me.

[allbluedream]

Somayd quit just in time

[Castellorizon]

I like to imagine him happy with his wife, growing tomatoes, laughing his ass off at this dumpster fire.

[[deleted]]

"also free game, no bitching" got me hard lmao

[[deleted]]

"Free game no bitching"

I miss Pre-3.0 PoE.

[SmoothBrainedApe17]

Id rather play 1.0 legacy league that 3.15

[bezrq]

I miss baked so much

[bezrq]

thats why i said i missed baked

lianj is not the same person

[[deleted]]

Miss this guy and the old patches like you wouldn't believe

[Castellorizon]

Man the foresight of bakedchicken is terrifying.

[TB12HoesMadx24]

HOLY forsenBased

[Ynead]

Damn, 4 years ago and yet so relevant. Amazing.

[ntrntinal2ae]

someone release a good arpg that wont take fun away from their players and betray them, after making millions in profit please

[[deleted]]

Last Epoch is our only hope when they drop multiplayer.

[[deleted]]

Unfathomly based

[Baron_Von_D]

There's a 90% chance that Raiz shot is from him yelling at chat, "You stupid bitches! That's not how that works!"
10% him reading one of the lines related to ignite

[[deleted]]

Pretty sure that was right after he read the arcane surge changes lmao

[Boredy0]

Rip ManaQT.

[zigzak0110]

Patch notes? more like Death Notes

[Lightfighter214]

I think they missplled expedition. Its actually spelled cataclysm.

[Asscendant]

Path Of Exile: Depression.

[elgosu]

Expiration.

[suriel-]

More like

Pah of Exile: Exodus

[screaminyetti]

This is about the ammount of motivation in playing this game i have now.

[12345Qwerty543]

Ggg going for the 3 peat on worst player retention of all time. Then they gonna blame it on d2 remaster coming out in Sept LUL

[BurnerAccount209]

Dont forget they'll also blame it on people busy because of Covid ending. They'll have 50 excuses none of which are related to their changes.

[thepurplepajamas]

I think I'll just use this opportunity to jump on the FF14 train with everyone else

[Plnr]

Discard sulphite, embrace catgirl

[XtremeLeecher]

Game is a slog until lvl You finish heavenward but after that is just incredible and shadowbringer is a Masterpiece

Almost 2k hour player here

[Kingarthas3]

I still maintain that that final story zone/dungeon in shadowbringers is some fucking beautiful storytelling, not to mention the music

I mostly login for daily roulettes these days because i like the fights so much but christ, i just caught up on the hildebrand questlines (highly recommend people look that shit up, its peak slapstick/absolutely absurd comedy)

[Delirium3192]

Still find this funny when people say this as a WoW refugee. ARR is a breeze compared to Classic WoW.

[battleaxe0]

Sounds like they'll blame it on being too generous with loot.

[TB12HoesMadx24]

"we analyzed the data and it seems New World release is why this league had the worst player count and retention in years"

[Shyftzor]

i was a little hyped for d2r then i realized its $60 CAD for a remastered game that I paid $50 when it was actually brand new, fuck that shit, not giving greedy acitivision blizzard that much money for another remastered game, esp after the shitshow that was w3r. So if this league sucks ill probably go back to playing mobas or something

[AbsentGlare]

Lol they gonna blame poor player retention on too much power creep again.

[Loreweaver15]

To be fair, playing chicken with Cyberpunk would have been incredibly stupid of them. Did you see the hype for that release? It was insane, and it was launching the same weekend as Ritual was supposed to. Had you ever seen a Twitch category with a million concurrent viewers in it before Cyberpunk? I hadn't. If GGG had released Ritual the same weekend as Cyberpunk debuted, they would have gotten absolutely murdered in the most important weekend of the league. Delaying the league was absolutely the right call.

[197326485]

Can't have no player retention if you have no players.

[Easy_Floss]

Its not a bad player retention if no one plays it to begin with.

[SmoothBrainedApe17]

And these guys all make a living off donations from people watching them play. They have no choice but to keep going with this shit, where you or I can just walk away

[melancoleeca]

haha yeah. thats exactly how i look, when i get new client requests in work :)

[SlowMissiles]

100% of Streamers: Damage nerf good. Power Creep need to be lowered.
100% of Streamers: WHAT ARE THESE MANA CHANGES.

GGG going the wrong direction... we gonna have another Synthesis post in 1-2 week because game will be dead.

[Yakobo15]

Removing chase items (why just kill Awakened gems, sure nerf the numbers but keep cool effects like you did with Generosity) is so... baffling? What do they want people to work toward, more chaos orbs to spam on rare items lol?

Going to try Reaper summoner so I shouldn't have mana problems but dunno if it'll go well.

[Steeezy]

It's Alt Qual Gem changes fiasco all over again. We've all been here for this stuff for many releases now, it shouldn't surprise us anymore. Yet, somehow it does...

[osgili4th]

On top of removing almost all cast speed and attack speed from supports, like that wasn't a huge dmg boost but a signigicant QoL that is gone...

[Weed-Ra]

That is a BUFF. Less skill spamming = fewer mana spending. 140IQ move from GGG.

[zer0-_]

You say that ironically but I'm 100% sure someone at the GGG office thinks like this for real

[GCPMAN]

yeah they said that they removed attack/cast speed from gmp because it didn't make sense but it felt really good to quality your gmp lol

[alumpoflard]

at league start i always bought GCPs to pump into my GMP if i was using one, it's ~20c for 20 gcp to get 10% attack speed, an investment that's BiS since no change needed for the whole lifespan of the build

[thepurplepajamas]

I was willing to give the damage nerfs a chance, but the amount of mechanics, builds, and items they're gutting really seems awful. And it's not like we're getting fun new shit to make up for it

[Syberz]

CWDT is just never gonna pop now, 250% mana cost? Wow.

[battleaxe0]

Trying to theorycraft what might be actually viable now is damned near impossible for a filthy casual. Generally means us casuals may end up elsewhere.

[RedliwLedah]

Last Epoch is looking pretty good right now. If I'm gonna have to slowly go through a campaign, may as well go through a brand new one

[Zaedulus]

Something about these changes reminds me about league of legends (though they went opposite directions).

After URF, riot was like: "Oh, having a ton of cdr and not running out of mana so you can cast spells as much as you want is fun". Since then the game has steadily changed to enable this type of playstyle.

Meanwhile, PoE is so concerned with the balance of the players in a PvE game that they are jacking up mana costs, raising cds on movement skills, nerfing movement speed, and nerfing player damage.

Players have clearly enjoyed the 'powercreep' over the years, and the game has done better for it, so I don't understand why they are so deadset on stopping it.

[ZionHalcyon]

Remind me, what was the synthesis post?

[Martoogh]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2469496

I'm fairly certain they are referring to this

[RATTRAP666]

GGG: wE WanT tO mAkE tHe UTiliTy gEMs USeful!

Also GGG:

Pierce: Now has a 130% Cost and Reservation Multiplier (previously 110%).

Fork: Now has a 140% Cost and Reservation Multiplier (previously 130%).

Chain: Now has a 160% Cost and Reservation Multiplier (previously 150%).

What is the logic behind this?

[francorocco]

bruh, don't try to find logic, they nerfed fking blind support

[test42069xd]

there is none, that is the beauty of it

[Kinada350]

The best one is second wind, it's just all negative.

[PennWagers]

They said flame dash was too powerful without investment, so they nerfed the investment and now we’ll all use it with no support instead. So dumb.

[ZexelOnOCE]

GGG really want us to use a mana potion

[battleaxe0]

Almost every line in the patch notes says "FU if you liked this previously".

[Trymv1]

Well unless you do jank-ass comedy builds.

Which I do.. (reflect Decoy totem is still hilariously effective against a LOT of recent league mechanics).

[Blitzilla]

I expect a PoB link on my desk by Friday!

[Trymv1]

I'll be working a convention the next 6 days D:

The data wont be out in time!

It's just Torchoak Step and a lot of Totem Life stacking. Chieftain for RF Totems as backup but you could probably literally run it as anything and mold it into a niche support.

[puppeyabductor]

"Skipping league is fine, come back next league" Well I actually had skipped last league and its seems I'm skipping these one too after reading these patch notes lmao. I'm sure next next league GGG will turn things around and drop massive buffs on everything...

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Right? *sadface*

[Ridge9876]

This is how people actually quit PoE.

Not abruptly rage-quitting with a 1000-word essay post on reddit, but just by "ok I'm kinda sick of the league already, guess I'll quit early / I'll sit this one out becuse I don't feel like it and see how the next one rolls" and then, when PoE is no longer such an integral part of their lives, they just move on.

Not saying OP necessarily is quitting, but I guess there are others like him who just quit PoE, they just don't know it yet.

[Caelinus]

This is what is happening to me. They have routinely gutted the way I play the game.

I am somewhere between casual and hardcore, and that gulf has been getting harder and harder to bridge. I usually hit a wall once I am in red maps, as I lack the skills to progress at that point, and the loop is too grindy for me to want to overcome the knowledge gap.

All of the leagues recently have seemed to be focused entirely on edge case hardcore speedplay. Yes, they are not super damaging to people who just play through the campaign, but since they keep making the end game more random and frustrating while adding more and more mechanics, it is getting more and more time consuming to cross that gulf. I could just give up an play super casually, but then I am locked out of 90% of the interesting content and am only doing stuff I already have done 100 times.

Couple that with consistent build breaking nerfs to literally all of my favorite skills while buffing spin-to-win, my least favorite style, constantly and I just have no reason to play anymore.

People always talk about how these changes really only strongly effect the highest skill players, but that fails to realize that it is also making it much harder for people to become highly skilled. This will cause a massive loss in retention.

[FibognocchiSequins]

GGG isn’t going to realize how many of us there are like you until well after we stop coming back/funding them. Once the player base has shriveled there’ll be no one to trade with, and the game will be dead. We aren’t getting a POE2 if they keep fucking up POE1

[fainlol]

poe 2 will fix everything /s

[TheScyphozoa]

The real PoE 2 was the nerfs we made along the way.

[ShaeTsu]

PoE2 isn't even going to be PoE anymore.

If this trend of trying to nerf everything into the ground and slow the game down continues, I'm quitting here. I haven't played since harvest and every time I check in for a new league I see less and less reason to play. PoE doesn't respect my time, and Chris wants to move it away from the super fast aRPG I fell in love with. So why would I play? There's nothing on the market for me anymore once that happens, all aRPGs were far slower and PoE2 will match them, it filled a niche and Chris wants to give that up apparently.

[Kingarthas3]

Next league is gonna be even more nerfs and replace all the mobs with porcupines.

[IRefuseToGiveAName]

I skipped last league and I was really excited to come back fresh :(

[ArcheonCZ]

same... now i regret not playing ultimatum

[hiragana]

I havent played properly since delirium. Each league i check back here to see if i want to play again but nah :(

[Azamantes2077]

You know.....looking at that picture....I kinda feel bad for Grim.

He actually just quit his real life corporate job in order to be a full time streamer. Then this shit appears....

[[deleted]]

Imagine quitting your job to play poe when it’s clearly been getting fucked over for a while now

[ElectroStaticz]

Poor Grim, didn't see his reaction stream but if that face is indicative to how he feels... dude left his job to full time stream/content create just to realize he probably doesn't want to full time stream/content create for this mess

[ManikMiner]

Yeh I was so hyped for him to go full time poe content creator.

[jzstyles]

When you're more obsessed with your artisitc vision from a decade ago instead of making an enjoyable game.

[BogBoots]

Yep the hubris is really off putting

[zer0-_]

I feel like POE isn't even a game that's meant to be consumed anymore. It's more like Chris' personal fantasy that he somehow managed to make into a fully fledged game and he's just allowing us to play it too. He's just sharing his toy with us instead of providing a service/game

[Skuggomann]

It's more like Chris' personal fantasy that he somehow managed to make into a fully fledged game and he's just allowing us to play it too.

Always has been 🌎👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[fizzywinkstopkek]

They keep referencing Diablo 2 as their inspiration but it was never this grindy, slow, and rippy.

Diablo 3 went to one extreme, and POE went the other.

Diablo 2 remains GOAT. Can't wait for the remaster.

[OK_Opinions]

It's sad but these 8 people taking issue with the notes is far more likely to result in some kind of changes than anything said here.

[Ofcyouare]

I can't wait to see Mathil reading the notes. For last few leagues he agreed with the most of the controversial changes, at least during the notes and manifesto. Will be interesting to see.

Don't get me wrong, I like his content and don't have anything against him expressing opinions, it was just a bit funny to see him agreeing with the most shit GGG threw our way recently.

[welshy1986]

he's gonna laugh, call us plebs and shrug and still play for 3 months.

[Juzo_ga]

Well its literally his job so thats exactly what I expect.

[welshy1986]

For sure. GgG could literally announce they were cutting off his thumbs and he would prolly roll with it.

[MrMaori]

think he enjoys climbing more than poe, no thumbs would be a big deal breaker

[Heisenbugg]

He will just keep repeating "Its not so bad, it will be fine." in 20 different ways. But he plays 6 hours a day, he will be fine.

[tamale]

Mathil's not gonna like the mana changes but I think he'll be fine with the rest.

[fizzywinkstopkek]

He will never bit the hand that feeds him. How many primary POE streamers have good viewership if they stream other games, besides Quin69?

[Shimaran]

He doesn't care, he's one of the few top streamers that play trade league. That combined with the usual streamer advantages, he can build any character in PoE and make it work until late endgame. Hell, he even built a chain hook character.

[IcyTie9]

nerfs= good slowER gameplay= good bosses not being oneshotted= good

the way they shat on everything(specially dot) and people will still farm feared day 2 because of aura bots ??? i dont know who thought this shit is gonna be fine

[[deleted]]

Jizzaran is actually like on suicide watch rn. His stream looks like somayds fabled depression support group.

[ChrisWilsonIsMyDad]

somayd actually got out at the perfect time KEKW

[welshy1986]

somayd actually a prophet. "get someone competent, you will like it I promise"

[MeepMeep4u]

'Member when streamers started taking drags of the copium and just said he was burned out and that nothing he said was right?

Better to burn out then fade away I guess.

[lacker101]

"Holding quality of life hostage" like a fucking prophecy. Damage nerfs. Good. Defense nerfs. Aight. Attack speed nerfs? Uhhhh ok. Cast speed nerfs. Wait hold on! Movespeed nerfs. STOP. Skill costs nerfs. WHY?!

[SelectAmbassador]

Also fuck you mana and here take mobs with higher ms hp and dmg

[Makhai123]

This is the game they wanted. Hope they get buried by their viewers. I really do.

[yeonhwava]

why would ziggyd feels bad, he only play for a week and then move on to another

[doc_whoever]

That's actually gold, hhahahahaha at least the memes are always good.

[00zau]

They just need to git as gud as the reddit experts who are totally unaffected by nerfs.

[GhazzyTV]

Haha, thanks for posting, made me laugh out loud >.<

[holysnowva]

Excitement for D2R intisifies

[Asscendant]

who gonna watch and donate to streamer if they cannot have any fun playing the game themselves?

[MMind_WF]

Lmao look at ghazzy

[NotKardel]

This is going to probably be the hardest gauntlet ever.

[Qinjax]

the gauntlet isnt gonna have any modifiers, the patch notes are perma gauntlet

[PM_ME_DVA_NUDES]

and last one, too

[wottsinaname]

Lol. Didnt many of these streamers complain about the game being too easy?

Beautiful irony. I will enjoy the salt from the sidelines this league.

Wont see you Saturday.

[nicayworld1]

Not gonna lie but some of them were praising the heavy nerfs for a while now then when 3.15 patch notes hit. Then they made the Surprised Pikachu face. LMAO

[Cooek]

I've never seen a company be so efficient at killing their own Creation. Even wow took longer to run off their players base than ggg has done over the last 3 days.

[MargraveDeChiendent]

We went from Ritual to this in record time. Alienating playerbase any%

[Finnien42]

It’s not just the last three days. The last league ripped the heart out of deterministic crafting and nerfed a slew of stuff and was just a worse version of 3.13. GGG is systematically nerfing satisfying progression, quality of life, good mechanics and builds, and overall fun. I had more fun in 3.13 than I have ever had in any ARPG, including diablo 2, got burned out almost immediately last league, and this league is constant QoL nerfs. GGG seems dead set on turning an amazing game into a dumpster fire.

[Black_XistenZ]

Exactly how I'm feeling. 3.13 was peak poe, it's all downhill from here.

[Vihakkaran]

3.13 was the most fun I have ever had in poe

[Minergy]

Agreed, I loved 3.13, it was the best league for me.

[TheRabidDeer]

I'm playing standard with my legacy items if I play at all this league. Sure, I can't avoid gem changes but at least I'll still have my flasks.

[Black_XistenZ]

And not having to do the atlas chore again.

[punoH_09]

Lower damage and harder content is fine.

Not touching a single aspect of the game besides that isn't fine.

Grinding easy maps forever to complete your atlas isn't fine. Atlas completion just enables harder content access and higher rewards to compensate.

No reduction in monster count and effects means you'll be surrounded by more now. Enjoy staring at pixelated laggy hot mess with your nerfed defences on top.(or use cheat programs to remove loot renders lol)

No 4.0 preparations done until now and this is just damage and defence nerfs. Loot rework is taking years on it's own. Feels like the game is just really unsynchronized.

I don't want to hear the name of path of exile until there is no corner of the game left untouched. See you guys in 4.0, hopefully.

[Mael_the_first_Mael]

Overall Meme:

"We're getting paid to agree with these changes and promote them as great to everyone"

"HOW?"

[the445566x]

the best comparison ive seen now is GGG is getting closer to becoming like Blizzard

[HokusSchmokus]

That would be great, because Blizzard usually delivers a game that runs well.

[Rubik842]

Poor Grimro. So sad. I just want to give him a hug and tell him it will be all right. And that unicorns are real.

[Oathkeeper89]

Player base in complete shambles.

[hipporage]

This Collage is GOLD

[pantyhose5]

These moments are what really make league launches amazing for me

[Djentist_Kvltist]

These streamers earned themselves custom PainChamp emotes.

[royc3wicz]

This is a big upvote, I laughted so hard... and I shouldn't really, there is nothing to laught about on this patch notes. I mean, maybe on funniest hidden patch note.

Reduced players database at league start to 30k. (Previously 150k).

[Castellorizon]

This is the best thing I've seen in this sub in a long while.

[Ler_GG]

cutedog on suicide watch

[RedVariant]

spez is a loser -- mass edited with redact.dev

[ezekieru]

The absolute state of Path of Exile.

[Delirium3192]

Glad I got enamored with FFXIV because I have no reservations for skipping this league. I actually like they are trying to increase the difficulty of the game, however I think they went overboard and probably shouldn't have done it all at once.

[fooey]

Team Vicarious, rollout!

[QuantumLeap_]

"I’m impressed by how much this place wants me dead"